00:00Hey, Billboard. We're OK Go, and we are about to interview each other. Let's see.
00:05How this OK Go goes.
00:10How this OK Go, and we are about to interview each other. Let's see.
00:15OK, Damien, a friend of mine since we were 11 years old. Let's take a walk down memory lane.
00:20We won our first Grammy for Here It Goes Again. It's a milestone for us.
00:24What do you remember most?
00:25Tell us about that time in our lives. Where were we at?
00:28I remember we were
00:30ending an album cycle. We thought we were about to go write and record our next album.
00:35We were playing at a festival in Moscow.
00:40When it when it went online, we thought like maybe 50 of our fans were going to
00:45download it that day and pass it to some other fans and that would kind of be it.
00:49Yeah. The next week.
00:50The album was back to the top of the charts again and we started touring.
00:55All over again. It was a whole nother 18 month album cycle.
00:58I remember we were supposed to go.
01:00We went home to Los Angeles after the festival in Moscow. We got redirected to New York.
01:05And then we didn't go home for another year and a half.
01:08Yeah, it was intense. It was exciting.
01:10It really was like it felt like the kind of anything can happen moment.
01:14Right.
01:15One weird thing connects and all of a sudden your life is different.
01:19Yeah.
01:20I remember also thinking it's pretty cool that that video, which is just like us kind of
01:25doing what we do as friends normally. Dance on treadmills. Dance on treadmills.
01:30Yeah.
01:31But just make fun things together like resonated.
01:33Yeah.
01:34And then our.
01:35Our major label had spent, you know, years of radio.
01:40The promo to get, you know, a half a million people to buy our album, which was awesome.
01:44Yeah.
01:45But then that many people watch that video in the first like.
01:50Four hours.
01:51Totally.
01:52Yeah.
01:53It's crazy.
01:54Yeah.
01:55Here it goes again.
01:5520 weeks on the Hot 100.
01:57Did you know that?
01:58I remember that now.
01:59Yeah.
02:00Yeah.
02:00Yeah.
02:01Could you have called that in advance?
02:02There's no way I could have called that in advance.
02:04No.
02:05I mean, we were like about to wrap that record up, I think.
02:09And.
02:10I.
02:11No, I don't.
02:12I don't think there was a way to know that.
02:13I also really thought that.
02:15It was like a dorky joke for our dorkiest fans.
02:18Right.
02:19Yeah.
02:20We'd had a.
02:20Video go kind of like proto viral.
02:22Us dancing in the backyard.
02:24Circa 2006.
02:252007.
02:26Whatever it was.
02:27There was no streaming service.
02:29Yeah.
02:30Right.
02:31So if you.
02:30Needed.
02:31If people were going to watch a video at home, that meant downloading a big file and basically.
02:35Only people in the IT department did that.
02:36We knew all of a sudden that there was like a half a million super fans.
02:40Who were accessing accessing our band in a completely different way.
02:45Than the sort of major label structure.
02:47Was used to.
02:48Yeah.
02:49And so we made a cool thing for them.
02:50But it did not seem like there was anybody outside of that community who was.
02:55Going to see this thing.
02:56It was like.
02:57Hey.
02:58If you liked.
02:59If you like this ridiculous video.
03:00We'll make you another ridiculous video.
03:01Right.
03:00But there was no way that something like YouTube was going to happen and just change the surface
03:04of the planet.
03:05I think that's the thing is there's no way we could have predicted that.
03:07Yeah.
03:08Yeah.
03:09Except I did.
03:10Oh, you did.
03:10Yeah.
03:11Yeah.
03:12That's right.
03:13I forgot to tell you that I did actually think it was going to work.
03:14So now we're back.
03:15One of the Grammys.
03:16Two nominations.
03:17Oh, this year.
03:18This year.
03:19Yeah.
03:20One for our music.
03:20Big video for love.
03:21And best recording package.
03:23This particular recording package.
03:24That's right.
03:25Good.
03:26Right.
03:27And the adjacent possible.
03:28Ba-bam.
03:29Where were we when we.
03:30We heard the news.
03:31What were we feeling?
03:33We were in Houston, Texas playing a show.
03:35That night.
03:36Yeah.
03:37I was just very pleased and very honest.
03:40honored that our community of peers still paying attention to what we do.
03:45Yeah.
03:46Look, the Grammys do an amazing job.
03:50Of being inclusive across the entire music industry.
03:53But like anything else in the music industry.
03:55A lot is focused on the next big thing.
03:58The whatever's happening.
04:00Right this moment at this very forefront of pop culture.
04:03Yeah.
04:04And for a band like us, it's been around.
04:05For 25 years.
04:06Making stuff that's considerably weirder than what.
04:10The mainstream normally goes for.
04:12To have like our community of peers.
04:15Honor the videos and the packaging and the music that we're making.
04:19Is.
04:20Exceptional.
04:21Really feels great.
04:22Agreed.
04:23Agreed.
04:24A rave for the.
04:25Underdog.
04:26All right.
04:30The best song there's ever been.
04:32Love.
04:33Love.
04:35We're nominated for love.
04:36Our video with mirrors and robots.
04:38Yeah.
04:39Which is so different from.
04:40Here I get goes again.
04:41Our video with treadmills.
04:42But it still feels like classic okay.
04:45Go.
04:46In its inventiveness.
04:47Agreed.
04:48How are our lives different from who we were.
04:50Back then.
04:51And how would you say.
04:52We have evolved.
04:53Hmm.
04:54I think most.
04:55Mostly we have evolved.
04:56Just in the sense that we.
04:57Are more.
04:58Confident.
04:59In.
05:00Doing the things that.
05:01Make us happy.
05:02Are you confident.
05:03Tim.
05:04I'm a very.
05:05Confident man.
05:06You're full of confidence.
05:07And I know that you are too.
05:08Oh yeah.
05:09I'm just a bastion of confidence.
05:10I've known you for a long.
05:10Long time.
05:11Yeah.
05:12If you're.
05:13If you're nothing else.
05:14You are confident.
05:15But yeah.
05:15I think.
05:16The difference between.
05:17Us.
05:18The guys on the treadmills.
05:19Versus.
05:20Us now.
05:21With.
05:22Robots and mirrors.
05:23Is that.
05:24At some point.
05:25We got.
05:25Comfortable with the idea.
05:26That.
05:27The things that really light us up.
05:29Are the thing.
05:30Things.
05:31To chase.
05:32Yeah.
05:33You know.
05:34We feel confident in that idea.
05:35I'm going to take it small.
05:35Just.
05:36The difference between.
05:37Here it goes again.
05:38Treadmill video.
05:39And.
05:40Of.
05:41Robot mirror video.
05:42Yeah.
05:43Is emotion.
05:44Emotion.
05:45Yeah.
05:46You know what I mean.
05:47Like.
05:45I.
05:46They're both.
05:47Super.
05:48Homemade.
05:49What we're trying to do.
05:50Is show the people.
05:50In the audience.
05:51Exactly how it was made.
05:52We don't want them to like.
05:53Get lost.
05:54In.
05:55A story.
05:55Or be in an alternate universe.
05:56It's not normal filmmaking.
05:57What we're doing.
05:58Is being like.
05:59This is an.
06:00Art.
06:01An art event.
06:02That can only happen once.
06:03It's an art event.
06:04Made for the song.
06:05Which we're going to film.
06:06And.
06:07We want you to feel the whole thing.
06:08Right.
06:09With here it goes again.
06:10You want that sense of joy.
06:11And wonder.
06:12And curiosity.
06:13But it's all about.
06:14Like.
06:15Uplift.
06:16And energy.
06:17And kind of like.
06:18Yeah.
06:19Humor.
06:20You know.
06:20Yeah.
06:21And.
06:22What I'm really proud of.
06:23With love.
06:24The mirrors and robots video.
06:25Is that.
06:26I think it really tugs on the heartstrings.
06:27Like.
06:28We can have that feeling of.
06:29Of explosive.
06:30Of joy.
06:31But it's also like.
06:32Sad.
06:33Or like.
06:34Hard.
06:35Heart wrenching.
06:36Yeah.
06:37In its way.
06:38And I didn't know if we'd be.
06:39Able to keep that.
06:40The.
06:40Sort of.
06:41That type of spectacle.
06:42And also get emotion into it.
06:43And we did.
06:44We did it.
06:45And.
06:46You know.
06:47Nineteen years ago.
06:48The world was a wildly different.
06:50place.
06:51Globally.
06:52Politically.
06:53Musically.
06:54Artistically.
06:55Technologically.
06:56And.
06:55Certainly.
06:56Personally.
06:57Like.
06:58I'm a father now.
06:59Like.
07:00I spend a lot more time with my kids.
07:00And I did back then.
07:01Because they exist.
07:02And.
07:03And.
07:04I think.
07:05Artistic.
07:05Artistically.
07:06We're able to come out this a little more comfortable in our own skin.
07:09Yeah.
07:10I.
07:10I bet.
07:11Everybody in the music industry knows some version of this.
07:13It's like.
07:14The statistics are.
07:15The statistics are.
07:16Against you.
07:17At.
07:18Every moment of your career.
07:19Right.
07:20It is ridiculous to think.
07:20That you could make your.
07:21Your.
07:22Your living.
07:23Being a musician.
07:24And then it's even more ridiculous to think you're going.
07:25To get a second album.
07:26And then it's even more ridiculous to think it's going to last.
07:28For.
07:2920.
07:3025.
07:3030 years.
07:31And.
07:32At some point.
07:33You get used to the.
07:35Right.
07:35It's ridiculous.
07:36Like.
07:37It's still.
07:38Ludicrous.
07:39It's still.
07:40Statistically.
07:40possible.
07:41That we'll get to keep doing this.
07:42But.
07:43We've outlasted enough statistics.
07:45That I've stopped worrying about whether or not we get the opportunity to make another
07:48one.
07:49It just feels.
07:50Easier to just make the things.
07:52We make.
07:53Yeah.
07:54You know.
07:55We're less led by.
07:55Fear than I think we once were.
07:56Less led by fear and anxiety than we once were.
07:58Yeah.
07:59Yeah.
08:00Well.
08:00All right.
08:01To put that in a more positive way.
08:03When you're in early career.
08:05It.
08:06You're sort of like.
08:07You have to take every opportunity.
08:08Yeah.
08:09That's given to you.
08:10And you also.
08:10Have no idea what the road ahead looks like.
08:12How much of it is a dead end.
08:13How much of it is a trap.
08:15How much.
08:15How much of it is a doorway to the.
08:17You know.
08:18Blissful infinity.
08:19You just don't.
08:20Know.
08:21And.
08:22Like.
08:23This deep into our career.
08:24Like.
08:25We.
08:25Know what we make.
08:26We know who listens to it.
08:27Who cares about it.
08:28And what it means to the world.
08:29We have no illusions.
08:30That we are suddenly going to be like.
08:31This summer's next big hit.
08:32Yeah.
08:33Right.
08:34With like.
08:35You know.
08:3513 year old.
08:36But.
08:37What we do know.
08:38Is that the community of people.
08:39Who loves what we do.
08:40Are going.
08:40Nowhere.
08:41And we get to keep doing the thing we do.
08:42And it's very comforting to like.
08:43To be able to approach our.
08:45Our art.
08:46Knowing.
08:47What it means to the world.
08:48Yeah.
08:49I remember at the end of the video.
08:50Our co-director.
08:51And Duffy.
08:52Giving a talk to the crew.
08:54Because we haven't.
08:55Gotten the take yet.
08:56Yeah.
08:57And.
08:58And.
08:59Telling the crew.
09:00You know.
09:01I know it seems impossible.
09:03That we're going to get this today.
09:05But.
09:06We're going to get it.
09:07Because these guys always get it.
09:08And.
09:09You know.
09:10He's like.
09:11I've done it with.
09:10Them before.
09:11And I trust.
09:12We're going.
09:13I trust we're going to do this.
09:14And I remember thinking like.
09:15Gosh.
09:16I guess we have always gotten it.
09:17Haven't we?
09:18Like.
09:19There's.
09:20This sort of like.
09:20It was nice to be reminded that.
09:22It's not a fluke.
09:24It's not a fluke.
09:25Yeah.
09:26Yeah.
09:27I mean.
09:28Over the course of a lifetime.
09:30It feels like a fluke.
09:31Yeah.
09:32But.
09:33We'll probably get another fluke.
09:34This year.
09:35Yeah.
09:35It's not a fluke.
09:36It's just to be anything.
09:41Let's talk about robots.
09:42For love.
09:43We shot the video in one take using 20.
09:45nine robots.
09:46What was the most challenging parts?
09:48Would we ever plan to incorporate AI?
09:50into our music making process?
09:52Uh.
09:53Okay.
09:54So for the video.
09:55And the robots.
09:56I would say the most challenging part is.
09:58Uh.
09:59Staying.
10:00Staying.
10:01Staying.
10:02Playful.
10:03When it takes so many.
10:04Articulations and.
10:05Interations to get from an.
10:07Idea.
10:08To something on screen.
10:09Yeah.
10:10That.
10:10Basically.
10:11With robots.
10:12Like robots can do anything.
10:13But you have to iterate it very slowly.
10:14You have to say like.
10:15I want it to do this.
10:16And then this.
10:17And then this.
10:18And you have to like.
10:19Try that.
10:20See how it has failed.
10:21Do it again.
10:20And so it's very easy to lose.
10:22The joyful.
10:23Playful.
10:24Okay.
10:25Uh.
10:25Collaborative.
10:26Nature of.
10:27Of.
10:28Of music making.
10:29Of music video making.
10:30We had an amazing previous team on that.
10:32We had an amazing.
10:33Amazing previous team on.
10:34An amazing team in.
10:35In general.
10:36Yeah.
10:37But it did take.
10:38Six months of.
10:39Of slow work to go like.
10:40Here's an idea.
10:40And then two weeks later.
10:41Let's.
10:42See what that robot would look like.
10:43If we tried that.
10:44And.
10:45You know.
10:45And then get in the room with it all.
10:46Exactly.
10:47Yeah.
10:48I will.
10:49Say that.
10:50The robots.
10:50For that video.
10:51All they're there.
10:52To do.
10:53Is service the mirrors.
10:54Yeah.
10:55Like the point of that.
10:55Video is.
10:56That if you take.
10:57Two mirrors.
10:58And you point them at each other.
10:59You get this infinite.
11:00Reflection.
11:00Which to me.
11:01Feels a lot like.
11:02What it's like.
11:03To fall in love.
11:04Or.
11:05To find the new.
11:06A new take on love.
11:09Which.
11:10Happens.
11:10Happened to me.
11:11When I became a father.
11:12And I felt.
11:13What it was like.
11:14That this.
11:15Idea.
11:16I feel like.
11:17I've always.
11:15Known.
11:16Suddenly.
11:17Exploded into new dimension.
11:18And so.
11:19There's a very literal.
11:20Uh.
11:21Metaphor for that.
11:23Like.
11:24Here's.
11:25Seeing extra dimension.
11:26Yeah.
11:27You know.
11:28And so the robots.
11:29It was easy to say.
11:30Focus.
11:30On what the robots.
11:31Should do.
11:32Because we knew.
11:33What the mirror.
11:34Should do.
11:35It was basically like.
11:36We're just trying.
11:37To get these mirrors.
11:38You.
11:39You.
11:40You.
11:41You.
11:42You.
11:43You.
11:44You.
11:45You.
11:46You.
11:47You.
11:48You.
11:49You.
11:50You.
11:51You.
11:53You.
11:54You.
11:55You.
11:56You.
11:57You.
11:58You.
11:59You.
12:00You.
12:01You.
12:02You.
12:03You.
12:04You.
12:04Most of the time.
12:05You just get two notes.
12:06Yeah.
12:07Right.
12:08Like.
12:09It's just a new set.
12:10Like.
12:11Two sounds.
12:12Mixed.
12:13Mix.
12:14pops out an emotion on the other side.
12:15And that is like the world's most magical feeling.
12:19Like this beat can somehow just make,
12:21it can like light up a part of your brain
12:23in a whole different way.
12:24And if you're not the one discovering that,
12:27if you're not going on the journey,
12:29of finding that stuff,
12:30it kind of feels like what's the point, you know?
12:32However, I recognize.
12:34That like as a technological tool,
12:37it's so immensely.
12:39Powerful, that there have got to be ways of using it
12:42that, that.
12:44That help expand your creativity
12:46and help you just help you like.
12:49tumble down new paths of discovery.
12:52It's hard for me to imagine what those are yet.
12:54And I'm particularly susceptible to...
12:59the feeling that it is all built
13:01on other people's music right now.
13:04Like when I listen to the Stone Roses
13:06and I get inspired by the Stone Roses,
13:08what comes...
13:09comes out the other side
13:09is a very weird revision
13:12of my understanding of this.
13:14when an AI listens to Stone Roses
13:17and then recreates Stone Roses,
13:18that feels a lot...
13:19a lot less creative.
13:21Yeah.
13:21That feels much more...
13:24like plagiarism.
13:25Yeah, it takes a little bit of the fun
13:26out of the human experience
13:27of making something, I guess.
13:28Yes.
13:29And until those tools feel like
13:31they're actually giving credit and...
13:34compensation to the people...
13:35to the body of work that trained them,
13:37it feels a little bit wrong.
13:39Damien, Sabrina Carpenter,
13:41Clips, Do Chi, and Sade also nominated...
13:44for Best Music Video.
13:45Okay.
13:46Great group of artists.
13:47Yes.
13:48Who's been on your...
13:49repeat playlist?
13:50Well, Sade has, actually.
13:51Sade.
13:52I...
13:53Always a huge Sade.
13:54holiday fan.
13:54Yeah.
13:54I've been going through
13:55a Stone Roses phase again.
13:56Ugh.
13:57Me too, actually weird.
13:59Really?
13:59Yeah.
13:59I mean, it's not that...
14:01it doesn't take that long
14:02for me to come back
14:03to the Stone Roses.
14:04It's like every couple of years
14:04there's another...
14:05I go back to it.
14:07But...
14:07Uh...
14:08Part...
14:09Parcels?
14:09Parcels?
14:10Hmm.
14:10Okay.
14:11Yeah, I like that.
14:12I like that.
14:12I like it.
14:14Got a band called Automatic.
14:15Okay.
14:16Like it.
14:16Love them.
14:17Dochi is on there.
14:18Sure.
14:19Dochi is definitely on there.
14:20My children are, in fact,
14:22rooting for us to win.
14:24Yeah.
14:24These Grammys.
14:25That is mostly because
14:26I deprived them of access
14:28to...
14:29contemporary music.
14:30Not intentionally.
14:31But what they get into,
14:33they...
14:34They're really into
14:34Les Miserables.
14:35Yeah.
14:36As they should be.
14:37They're really into
14:37what they refer to as...
14:39which can either be
14:41orchestral music
14:43that goes...
14:44along with action movies.
14:46So like something
14:46like James Bond?
14:47Well, yeah, but...
14:49I put that in the
14:50second category,
14:51which is sort of like
14:5260s jazz...
14:54jazz funk
14:54with a kind of
14:55dark tone to it.
14:56Right?
14:57Yeah, they really like,
14:58you know,
14:58Man from Uncle...
14:59musical theme.
14:59That kind of stuff.
15:01But their friends at
15:01School Trip keep trying
15:02to get them into
15:03K-pop demon hunk.
15:04And they're like,
15:05yes, but have you heard
15:06Les Miserables?
15:08And they think that...
15:09Those are equivalent.
15:10Both important in my mind.
15:11Both important.
15:12Yeah, yeah.
15:12But it means that my...
15:14my kids are afraid
15:15to root for us
15:16in the Grammys
15:16because I don't think
15:17they know any of the others.
15:19they're contenders.
15:20And that wasn't also
15:21on purpose?
15:22Like, you don't want
15:23them rooting for the...
15:24competition?
15:24Not at all.
15:25I've tried...
15:26You know, like,
15:26when other kids...
15:29come over for playdates,
15:30I let the other kids
15:31choose the music.
15:32Like, I always make sure
15:33that they're...
15:34that the other kids
15:34have the opportunity
15:35to influence my kids
15:36musically.
15:37And they just...
15:38Like...
15:39Like, they have no interest
15:40in contemporary pop
15:41unless they think
15:43it sounds like...
15:44Les Miserables.
15:46I mean, I love that.
15:47I think that's great.
15:48Yeah.
15:48Like, I...
15:49I played a song by...
15:51What's his name?
15:52Kind of a crooner.
15:54Modern take on Roy Orbison.
15:56Orville Peck.
15:56Orville Peck.
15:57I played an Orville Peck
15:58song the other day.
15:59And my son loved it.
16:01And he was like,
16:01you know what?
16:02Sounds like Les Miserables.
16:03I don't even...
16:04I don't even know
16:04why he thinks it's not...
16:05But I like...
16:06He loves Orville Peck now.
16:07I think it's the low voice
16:08probably.
16:08Yeah.
16:09And I think maybe
16:09the kind of spacey...
16:11The reverb
16:11and the kind of like...
16:14universe building.
16:15Yeah.
16:16Yeah.
16:16Tim?
16:17Yeah.
16:18We have.
16:19According to these notes,
16:20developed a reputation
16:21for pushing creative boundaries.
16:23Mm.
16:23Mm-hmm.
16:24Why do you think
16:24crafting unique visuals
16:25and a physical experience
16:28for our listeners?
16:29is still important
16:30in a time
16:31dominated
16:32by streaming.
16:34That's an interesting question.
16:36Yeah.
16:36You know,
16:36we started...
16:38as most bands do.
16:39But we very much started
16:40as a group of guys
16:43that got on...
16:44on stage
16:44and played music
16:45before we even
16:46were recording.
16:49a ton as a band.
16:50I feel like we
16:51loved the live experience
16:53and we loved...
16:54being in a room full of people
16:55and feeling the energy...
16:57you know.
16:59swirl around the room
17:00and I think we've done
17:01a pretty good job
17:02of making records
17:03and videos.
17:04videos
17:04that
17:06take from that spirit.
17:09you know,
17:09like our videos
17:09are very much about
17:10like,
17:11here's something we did
17:13if we could have...
17:14had you in the room
17:14we probably would have.
17:15I think it always sort of like
17:17takes from the spirit
17:18of what...
17:19we started doing live
17:20of like,
17:21we want to be with people.
17:23Yeah.
17:23I...
17:24I always think...
17:24like,
17:24it took me a long time
17:25to realize
17:26that our videos,
17:27I think,
17:27are an attempt
17:28to get back...
17:29to the energy
17:30of a live show.
17:30Absolutely.
17:30It's a weird way
17:31of doing it
17:32but it's like
17:32when you're singing
17:33on stage...
17:34the people in the audience,
17:35their heartbeats
17:36literally line up
17:37with the heartbeat
17:38of the singer.
17:38Yeah.
17:39like,
17:39unconsciously
17:40and of course,
17:41you know,
17:42without them even realizing it
17:43and you know...
17:44saline levels
17:44of people in the audience
17:45all co-regulate.
17:46Like,
17:46it's a very weird
17:48physical...
17:49spiritual experience
17:50that just doesn't happen
17:52when you play guitar.
17:54to a camera.
17:55Right.
17:55Right?
17:55So if you want
17:56to connect to people
17:57through a...
17:59a digital device
18:00just playing the song
18:02won't do the same thing.
18:04It may still be
18:04a beautiful song.
18:05It may still like
18:06change that person's life
18:07but in a different way
18:08and we've...
18:09been attempting
18:10to make these experiences
18:11that even through
18:13you know,
18:13watching on a...
18:14phone or laptop
18:15or whatever
18:15give you a sense
18:16of wonder
18:17and joy
18:18and...
18:19and connection
18:21that reminds me
18:23at least
18:23of that sense.
18:24of sort of curiosity
18:25and wonder
18:25that you feel
18:26at a rock show.
18:27That's what
18:27the physical record
18:28is about too.
18:29it's like
18:29all of the songs
18:30on this here
18:31double album
18:32are available.
18:34streaming
18:34for next to free.
18:36Yeah.
18:36You know what I mean?
18:37Like,
18:38this is not...
18:39the most convenient way
18:40to listen to music.
18:41So,
18:42we knew that...
18:44anybody buying
18:44this record
18:45was buying it
18:46to have a thing
18:47to touch
18:48and to feel.
18:49and to be connected
18:49to.
18:50And so,
18:50why not give them
18:51like a sculpture?
18:54a piece of magic.
18:54Like,
18:55the whole point
18:56of music
18:57to me...
18:59is summed up
18:59in this album title
19:00The Adjacent Possible.
19:02Right?
19:02Is that you put...
19:04two things together
19:04and out pops
19:06a third thing
19:07you never could have...
19:09you never could have
19:09predicted or imagined.
19:11Right?
19:11Like,
19:11you combine these things
19:12and then...
19:14adjacent to that
19:14there's all these
19:15new possibilities.
19:16Well,
19:16you can also just take
19:17a few little...
19:19sheets,
19:19ribs of paper
19:20and a reflective surface
19:22and all of a sudden
19:23you have a...
19:24three-dimensional orb
19:25floating in space
19:26where it just shouldn't be.
19:28That's magic.
19:28I love that.
19:29That's magic.
19:30And that's what...
19:30I mean,
19:30I really do think...
19:31I don't know
19:32what the future of...
19:34technology is
19:35but I know
19:35that the future of music
19:36is always going to be
19:37about that connection.
19:38Like,
19:38there's no...
19:39it doesn't matter
19:39how it's made
19:40or how it's distributed
19:41because it's only valuable to us.
19:44if it has that sense of connection.
19:45I give you a B+.
19:46I give you an A-.
19:48You're a...
19:49terrible interview.
19:49Let's try it again someday.
19:50All right.
19:51Great.
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