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Alison Wonderland shares her loss and truth behind canceled shows, her new upcoming album ‘Ghost world,’ being a mother and more.
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00:00People were making TikToks about me being like, oh, Alice in Wonderland because she doesn't want to play a show.
00:06I'm sick, like the mean girls thing.
00:09And I just was sitting there like crying, like reading this in the fucking hospital, like, fuck you.
00:15But I don't owe it to you to tell them like what I went through.
00:19I don't fucking owe it to anyone.
00:21And when I'm ready, I'll tell my story, which is now.
00:30Hi, I'm Katie Bain, Billboard Senior Music Correspondent.
00:39I'm here with the one and only Alice in Wonderland.
00:41Thank you for joining us.
00:42Thank you for having me.
00:43Yeah, especially in this special state of being.
00:48Yeah.
00:48Yeah, you're about to have a baby.
00:51Literally about to have a baby.
00:53Any minute now.
00:53Could happen here today.
00:55We don't want that to happen.
00:56But I said the middle name would be Billboard if the baby was born today.
01:01Which would be a really nice shout out.
01:03So we have a lot to talk about because a lot of things are about to happen in your life.
01:07A lot.
01:09You're about to release Ghost World.
01:10Yes.
01:12And it's your first Alice in Wonderland album since 2022.
01:16Yes.
01:17With Lona.
01:17Since Lona, yeah.
01:18Yes.
01:19I obviously did the White Fang project in between those two projects.
01:23But why did you feel like it was time to bring Alice in Wonderland back?
01:28And how did you kind of get into the mode where you're back in the studio making that music?
01:32It just really felt like it was time.
01:33I think for Alice in Wonderland, obviously it's more about the songwriting, a lot more about
01:38the songwriting with White Fang.
01:40You know, I have a lot of feature vocalists on those records.
01:43And when I was making Genesis, the White Fang album, it just kind of felt where I was at
01:51the time, which I'll be bringing back again soon.
01:55I'm very excited about that.
01:56But I did feel like it was time to release another Alice in Wonderland album.
02:00I had something to say.
02:01I had a story, you know, about a little time capsule in my life.
02:07And I was just ready to do it.
02:11And I think, honestly, making the White Fang album gave me a lot of inspiration again to
02:18make an Alice in Wonderland album because I was feeling a little bit stuck in where I was sitting.
02:23And I had so much fun making the White Fang album.
02:26It felt really free.
02:28You know, I released it on my own.
02:32You know, I was just making whatever the fuck I wanted.
02:35And I've always done that, but I felt a little bit, like, pigeonholed in how free I could be for a while.
02:42And so, you know, with this album, with Ghost World, I just took the energy of what I was doing with White Fang.
02:49I didn't overthink anything.
02:51And I just told my narrative again.
02:53And I had a lot of fun in the studio because I don't think I would have been able to release an album.
02:58And I had called my manager and said, because I'd started writing for the album,
03:02and I just was like, I don't think I want to do this.
03:04It doesn't feel right.
03:06I don't know where I'm sitting in this world.
03:10And then after that talk, I just decided to say fuck it and just make whatever the hell I was feeling without thinking too much.
03:18And I analyzed the album myself.
03:21And I was given that freedom and, you know, understanding.
03:25Basically, I was told we just want you to be excited, which I was so grateful for, because I think not a lot of people say that when an artist is making an album.
03:35So, yeah, I thought it was time to do it.
03:38But I just had a lot to say.
03:40And I was feeling some type of way.
03:44I was feeling quite lost, not really knowing where I was fitting.
03:48And I've always felt like that as an artist.
03:50And I've never really verbalized it that much in terms of as an artist and as a person, where do I fit in?
03:59And that's basically what this album was about.
04:02And I wanted to create a world for anyone that felt that way.
04:06We were originally going to call it Ghost, but it was too personal.
04:09And I was like, no, no, no, no, no.
04:10It needs to be a world.
04:11And I want to create a universe for other people that feel that way.
04:16We can personify that feeling a little bit.
04:18Right.
04:18Yeah.
04:19I would love to unpack some of those points.
04:20Because I know when you announced that the album was coming, you made this really intriguing statement, as you just said, that you didn't totally fit in in the industry.
04:29No.
04:30You know, from an outside perspective, I'm like, that's fascinating because we see this person who is ostensibly like killing it, playing giant stages, releasing big albums.
04:38Tell me about what was going on internally that made you feel that way.
04:41That's still going on.
04:42Okay.
04:43Like even last night, I think.
04:45And it's funny because when I talk to a lot of other artists, they knew exactly how I felt.
04:51It's not a woe is me thing.
04:53This is just a fact.
04:54It's how I feel.
04:55I just was like, is it over?
04:57And there's a song on the album called Is This The End?
05:00Where it was, you know, a really humbling song to write.
05:05I wrote it in about five minutes.
05:07It's the last song on the album.
05:09And I always felt like I needed to say it.
05:12It was really like in me, but I couldn't find the right words.
05:15And then all of a sudden it came out.
05:16And it was just about feeling replaceable in this industry.
05:19And is this like working anymore?
05:22Yeah.
05:23Right.
05:23And, you know, especially when, you know, there was a long build to my overnight success.
05:30Yeah.
05:31Right.
05:31It was 10 years.
05:32And then all of a sudden everything aligned.
05:35And, like, that's been 10 years since that aligned.
05:39And so it's been like, you know, and it's more just like who is she anymore?
05:45Right.
05:45And so I wanted to, I needed to create my own world because I really, still to this day,
05:50like, I don't feel like an industry darling.
05:52I don't feel like, you know, I don't get, I don't really, I don't know.
05:56I wish I had more feedback from peers and stuff like that, which I haven't.
06:01But in saying that, the thing that does keep me going is my fans.
06:06Like, they're the reason I'm up there.
06:08It's not because of anyone else.
06:09It's really not.
06:10Yeah.
06:10And I'm, and so that's why I wanted to create this world.
06:15It was for us.
06:16And I think me not feeling like I fit in, other people understood that.
06:21And I've always been really honest with my songs.
06:23And I think the people that have been attracted to my music have felt aligned with that.
06:28Yeah.
06:29Yeah.
06:29So I have them to thank.
06:31I don't really have anyone else to thank, you know.
06:34So it sounds like the world that you created is kind of a salve or an antidote to this feeling
06:39that you had.
06:40And so I would love to understand the particulars of that world and, you know, how it looks
06:45and how it feels and what you created, the vibe in there.
06:48It's more just like I'm wandering around limbo and like I'm trying to find other people that
06:53are also wandering around limbo because I found like so many people found it really hard to
07:00define me or, I don't know, I'm very self-critical and I'm very competitive with myself.
07:08And, um, yeah, I just, I felt very lonely in this industry.
07:15Yeah.
07:15Very lonely.
07:16And yeah, I, I mean, I say to, to my manager, I call him like, is this the end?
07:21Like, I don't know.
07:23Uh, that's how I feel.
07:24But I was like, if I'm going to do this album, I'm going to do everything I can to be as
07:29real as I can with it.
07:30And like, I'm just going to go all out and I'm going to turn up to everything.
07:34Like I'm here about to give birth.
07:36You know what I mean?
07:36Like I'm literally going to live my life.
07:39I was playing, I've been playing shows up until nine months.
07:43I've been just, I'm giving it my all and I'm really going to mean it.
07:47Um, and hopefully it speaks to people.
07:52Um, I'm obviously like scared to release it.
07:55I just think we're in also a different ecosystem with music now where it's very content oversaturated
08:01and I'm not a very good, like, I don't know.
08:06I, I love, you know, tweeting and saying, it's just like, for me, I'm, I'm a writer.
08:11So I love like writing my thoughts and stuff, but it just feels a little bit different at
08:15the moment.
08:15And I feel like a lot of people feel into going back to ghost world, feel a little bit
08:19lost in the world right now.
08:20There's like so many conversations happening and no one really knows the truth of anything.
08:27And I think it's really easy to feel lost and to feel lost with your voice.
08:31And it's just very loud online.
08:34Um, and so for me, I see ghost world as like almost touching grass and getting outside of
08:41all that noise, um, which I needed to do.
08:45And, you know, um, I don't think, uh, social media is good for our brains.
08:49As we say is we're probably going to put this on social media.
08:52All of it's going to end up there and it's bad for you, but we hope you watch it.
08:56Well, I think, I think like in the future, there's going to be some sort of warning, like
09:00on smoking packets.
09:01Yeah.
09:01No, I think that that's already happening with scientists being like, I can't believe we
09:05gave two whole generations complete unbridled access to this.
09:09Yeah.
09:10Like look at what it's done.
09:11I think it's breaking people's brains and like, I had to get offline, um, because my
09:15brain was feeling a little bit for a while, but now I'm back on and, and everything you
09:19see on, on, on my socials is me.
09:22No one else has my logins.
09:23I reply to everyone, but, uh, yeah, you know, musically, I just went back to my roots, like
09:30where I wanted to be.
09:32Like a lot of people have said, you know, what they've heard so far reminds them of
09:37where I was at with run, which is kind of like my truest form.
09:43Um, and you know, uh, but obviously more evolved, hopefully.
09:49I don't know.
09:50Yeah.
09:51I think the album, and I should have said this before we even started is absolutely incredible.
09:55Like it's, it's sick and it's, I'm not just like saying that because we're on camera.
09:59It's very good.
10:00Start to finish.
10:01It's cohesive, it's stylish, it's very smart.
10:04It's like, and I'm a, I'm a bass person.
10:06So like it hits a lot of sweet spots for me.
10:08Yeah.
10:09I, I, I'm a bass person too.
10:11And I was just like, that's what I'm missing.
10:12And also like what I put in this album, which I don't think I've done as much in the past
10:17is a sense of humor.
10:18Like, okay.
10:19Yeah.
10:19Again, fuck is such a sense of humor for me because it is out.
10:24It's actually about a very serious topic.
10:26Um, but I just thought like, how can I get through life if I'm just going to be so
10:31serious about everything?
10:32Yeah.
10:32Like sometimes I have to laugh through it.
10:35And so there are quite a few tracks on there where it's just me having a sense of humor
10:40about life and what was going on.
10:42Um, yeah.
10:51So like, I think it's just, I just wanted it to be fun.
10:55I wanted to be able to play every song off the album in a set as is, which I, uh, you
11:01know, recently I've been playing 12 of the 14 tracks out and they work.
11:05They've been working.
11:06Great.
11:06Um, did you find, cause this is the first Alice in Wonderland album since you became
11:10a mother.
11:12Did having a son affect your creative process in any way?
11:17Yeah.
11:17It made me more creative.
11:18I was actually told, I went to see a, like, actually did a podcast where this psychic was
11:23like, oh, you know, you're going to have to really, it's really going to tone down how
11:28you feel creatively when you have a child one day.
11:31And I was like, really?
11:32And I was really worried about it, but honestly, when I made the White Fang album, I was pregnant.
11:37Yeah.
11:37And then when I had Max, I was feeling even more creative.
11:40I was like, I created something else that wasn't music.
11:43And like, that's the ultimate creation is life.
11:45Like it was the craziest thing I had.
11:47It felt very powerful.
11:48And I do again, like nothing can stop me.
11:52Um, and it is very like inspiring to, to go through that.
11:56Yeah.
11:56Um, especially when I had actually quite a hard time falling pregnant.
12:00And I'm sure we'll talk about it.
12:03But, uh, you know, again, fuck is actually weirdly about something that happened, uh, to
12:08do with that.
12:09Okay.
12:09But, um, yeah, I, I just, um, I felt firstly, I didn't realize what love was until I had
12:17a kid.
12:17Like I thought I loved things, but you look at this being, that's like a blank canvas and
12:25you're just like, I'm going to try my hardest not to fuck this up for you.
12:29Right.
12:29And imprint love on you.
12:31That's all I feel.
12:32Yeah.
12:32That's all I feel.
12:33And when I look at him, I'm just like, this love is, it's like another, it's like, it's
12:39like being a Molly.
12:40I don't know.
12:41I've never done Molly actually.
12:43So, but what these people must feel has to be akin to motherhood.
12:49Well, I see how they look when they're probably very, I know I'm so lame.
12:54I don't know.
12:54I'm in the dance thing and I, yeah, I've never done Molly.
12:58I think that's amenable.
13:00But, uh, yeah, um, it's really just makes me want to never be whack and be my truest self.
13:06Like, you know, I don't, I don't ever want him to see his, also to be honest, I'm a woman
13:16in a very male dominated industry.
13:18And when I found out I was having a boy, I was like, okay, well, if anyone's going to
13:22be the mother of a boy, I'm going to do this.
13:25Like, I'm going to make sure he knows how to respect women and like, that his mom is
13:31like a badass and that once we become mothers, we lose our own identity.
13:37And I think that's bullshit.
13:40And I want anyone that's watching this to know that that is bullshit.
13:44You can choose like who you want to be.
13:47Um, and there's just like a weird narrative.
13:49I was told so many times, I hope you don't get pregnant.
13:52Your career will be over.
13:53Um, and actually reminded me of when I started DJing, where the people were like, oh, you
13:59can't do this.
14:00Right.
14:00Well, fucking watch me.
14:02I wanted to talk to you about this specifically because I saw it on your Instagram.
14:04You made a really great statement about it.
14:06Yeah.
14:06Who told you you shouldn't or couldn't?
14:09And then how have you?
14:11Because people like people all around me in the industry, including people that worked
14:16for me, um, including people that worked around me.
14:20Um, you know, I even had like one of the biggest DJs in the world go to me, like after I had
14:27Max, like, didn't you just have a baby?
14:29Like, that's crazy.
14:30You can still DJ.
14:31And I was like, what?
14:34Like, bruh.
14:35Um, you know, um, it was like such a weird statement to me because I don't feel like
14:41it's, all it's done is giving me more love and made me more empathetic to people.
14:45Like that's, that's the biggest change I felt is like, I see everyone as someone's
14:50child.
14:50I do want to also say realistically managing this, I have a very good support network.
14:56Sure.
14:56And I think people need to know that.
14:58Like I'm, you know, I have a really supportive partner.
15:01Finally.
15:02I feel like you've been on this journey with me this for a long, um, yeah.
15:06And you know, a really good support network work around me, my management, my agents.
15:11Um, you know, I like, if I need to go away, there's care, there's care for the kid.
15:17Like, um, and I work from home, so he's around me all the time, you know, but you know, it
15:24all evens out.
15:25Sure.
15:26Um, and I think like, yeah, I don't know.
15:28I just remember Grimes saying to me when I was pregnant with Max, like, this is punk
15:32rock, like what you're doing.
15:34And I'm like, okay, like it made me feel so much better.
15:36Um, and I think there's less of a stigma around that now.
15:41A lot of, a lot more people who are like really dope ass women who had kids.
15:47Like I look at Rihanna or like Halsey or like Grimes and there's so many, uh, Amelie
15:54Lenz.
15:54Yeah.
15:55Anna Luno.
15:55Anna Luno, who I just want to shout out has been just like such an amazing support and I
16:01love her so much.
16:02And she's just such a legend and inspiration.
16:07Um, yeah.
16:08So it's just been like a lot easier.
16:14I think now people are getting, people are like, yeah, this is bad ass.
16:18This is dope.
16:19Like you don't have to be buried in a tent right now.
16:22And honestly, you know, and, and, and people ask like, how did you do this pregnant?
16:27How did you tour?
16:27How did you write?
16:28And I'm like, cause this shit makes me happy and like, I don't want to sit at home and
16:33overanalyze all the pain that I went through to get this pregnancy and like overanalyze
16:38any symptom because I will go crazy.
16:41And the best advice my therapist gave me was live your life and let the baby cook.
16:45I understand that there were some canceled shows and that you weren't able to reveal
16:50that at the time.
16:51Do you want to talk about just sort of going through that?
16:54On my fourth miscarriage, it's like ridiculous sentence.
17:00I, it was at the end of last year and I had to urgently fly back from Asia, uh, cause something
17:08wasn't feeling right.
17:09Went to the doctor there and three hours later I was like on so much Xanax on a plane, like,
17:14you know, knowing that it wasn't viable.
17:17Um, and then, I mean, my body didn't reject the, the pregnancy.
17:23So I had to have surgery, um, which is why I'm also really, you know, I think it's really
17:27important to understand reproductive stuff with women because it's dangerous to not have
17:35that surgery if you need it.
17:37Um, and so I had to cancel some shows and to this day I get DMs being like, well, you're
17:43never coming to this place cause you keep canceling or people were making TikToks about me being
17:48like, oh, Alice in Wonderland cause she doesn't want to play a show.
17:52I'm sick.
17:53Like the mean girls thing.
17:55And I just was sitting there like crying, like reading this in fucking hospital, like
18:00fuck you, but I don't owe it to you to tell, to tell them like what I went through.
18:06I don't fucking owe it to anyone.
18:07And when I'm ready, I'll tell my story, which is now.
18:11And like, it was so horrible to have people so unsupportive and like rude.
18:18Yeah.
18:19The people that are supposed to be your fans.
18:21And I had said, look, I'm going through a lot.
18:23There's surgery, it's medical, it's an emergency.
18:27Please respect my privacy.
18:28And it was like, to this day, I'm getting comments and bombarded about the fact that
18:33I had to cancel shows at the end of last year.
18:35But like, I hope that you see this and I hope, you know, it's cause I had a miscarriage and
18:40I had to have surgery to get the baby out.
18:42Like, cool.
18:45Um, that sucked cause I did not feel like a person and I just didn't want to have to
18:50tell everyone that I wasn't ready to.
18:52And it's not like, I don't owe them that.
18:55There was this weird entitlement.
18:57Um, and like, you, everyone knows, like, I love to play shows.
19:01Like I'm out there.
19:02I only cancel if it's genuinely like a real problem.
19:05Like I've played shows my entire pregnancy.
19:07I've turned up everywhere.
19:08Like I'm here.
19:09But, um, yeah, it was really, really tough and it was really hard.
19:13And like, my family didn't even know.
19:16So I didn't want to have to go out cause they were already reading that I had to have surgery.
19:20You know, like I didn't want to have to, you know, and I had to tell promoters and for
19:24insurance and stuff.
19:26Like, it just was like, really, I remember walking out of the doctor in Asia and calling
19:32my booking agent who didn't know and being like, Hey, I've had a miscarriage and I need
19:39to go home.
19:40Right now.
19:40And I like, and he's like, Oh my God, you know, put me on a plane.
19:45And then, yeah, we thought everything would sort itself out and it didn't.
19:49So I had to go and get surgery and yeah, it was, it was very dangerous to not do that.
19:55Like, of course.
19:56And I didn't want to be stuck in a place that where my doctors weren't.
20:00Um, so yeah, I had to, I just had to, I had to go home and, you know, meant, and then people
20:07were being rude because, you know, I tried to turn up again after canceling shows, you
20:14know, a couple of weeks later and I had shows in Aspen and San Francisco and LA and I, I
20:20turned up to them and I played them and people were still commenting like, Oh, she's just
20:25faking all this shit.
20:25It's like, no, I'm just like, I wasn't, I was on that stage, like trying to get better,
20:31like trying to feel okay.
20:33Yeah.
20:33And it was like actually a really great thing for me to do because I got up and like, it
20:37was a distraction from everything that was going on.
20:39But seeing these comments and like reading these DMs and seeing these TikToks and, and
20:45reading and like getting sent stuff on Reddit, it was like really soul shattering.
20:51Is that the period that you kind of dipped from the internet for a while?
20:55Yeah.
20:55I did.
20:56I had to, um, yeah, it was really tough.
21:00And I think all of you suck.
21:02Whoever DM me, like fuck you, like for real.
21:05But how do you then going through what you experienced have the courage and sort of the
21:12physical will to then try again?
21:16Um, I think when you go through something like this and, uh, there's this like survival instinct
21:22that you have where you just want to keep, well, for me, my whole life, whenever I failed
21:27at something, not that that's a fail, but like, it does feel like one.
21:31Um, I've always wanted to just keep trying until I don't fail.
21:35And you get this tunnel vision for, okay, no, this is like going to work.
21:39I'm going to keep trying.
21:40I need answers.
21:41I need to know why.
21:42Um, and I think when you're on that journey and you almost have it, but you don't, you
21:47keep trying to work towards it.
21:50And that's an analogy for my entire career, actually, probably it's just how I operate.
21:55Um, for me, like to have sanity was being able to move forward and try again.
22:01I think if I didn't try again, I would have gone pretty insane.
22:04Yeah.
22:05The tenacity gave you.
22:06Yeah.
22:06I just like, okay, no, let's keep trying.
22:10This happens to women.
22:11You know, it's happened to me a lot.
22:13Uh, and yeah, you know, there's been times where I've, where I've gone through a miscarriage
22:19and, and, you know, Garth, my manager being like, oh, do you want to cancel the show?
22:24Obviously it wasn't like surgical, but I was like, no, I need to get up there.
22:28I need to play.
22:29Yeah.
22:29So me being able to move forward and like focus on something else really helps me heal.
22:34Yeah.
22:34Um, yeah.
22:36And so that's kind of like being a thing that I've silently struggled with for, yeah,
22:42that I've suddenly struggled with for, for years.
22:45Thank you for sharing that.
22:47Yeah.
22:47And I, and like anyone that has gone through that, like it's okay to mourn.
22:51Don't let anyone minimize that feeling.
22:54Um, that is, your feelings are so valid.
22:59However you feel when you go through it and, um, people shouldn't trivialize it and just
23:06know it's like, okay to feel like it's a death.
23:10Um, it's okay to feel mourning and, and in limbo and frustrated and angry and all those
23:18feelings.
23:18And, um, yeah, I, you know, I've had people try and minimize it and like, it's, it's not,
23:26it's not about them.
23:27It's about you and how you feel.
23:30So you're not alone.
23:31And I've spoken to, you know, many women that have secretly struggled with stuff like this
23:36and it's, it never, it's never easy, but, and it's, it's invisible.
23:40It's invisible.
23:41And, you know, as soon as you, a lot of people personify things as soon as they find out.
23:47So it's, you really are, you know, as early or late as it happens, you really are just,
23:53it is a lot.
23:54So yeah.
23:55Anyway.
23:56Did, well, I mean, you, you said something before that, you know, ghost world, you know,
24:01and I, I can't help but wonder then how much of the writing on this album is about the
24:06experiences that you're talking about.
24:07Again, fuck is about that fourth miscarriage actually.
24:18Um, where I was like, again, fuck, but I was so messed up.
24:24I was like, the only way I can get through this is writing a song with a sense of humor.
24:29Yep.
24:29Um, and like kind of being aggressive about it because it's just like, how do I move
24:35forward?
24:36Um, you know, like if you read all the lyrics of again, fuck, it's like, I think it's like,
24:41I'm walking down the road that I've been before.
24:43I run in circles thinking I'm invincible.
24:46Didn't mean it today.
24:47This is about the doctors that didn't know what to say.
24:49Didn't mean it today.
24:50I need a break.
24:51Get offline.
24:53I need to switch it up again.
24:55Fuck.
24:56Like I'm fucking over it.
24:57And that's like basically what that whole song is about.
24:59Yeah.
24:59Um, and then another song was, I want to live in a dream.
25:07I wrote that about, and even the video clips about this and again, like I had fucking comments
25:13about this, like, Oh, why are you talking about being sick again?
25:17And I'm like, fuck you, dude.
25:18It's like about this one thing that happened that, you know, and I got, and, um, yeah.
25:25So I want to live in a dream, uh, is about, uh, just trying to escape that feeling of reality.
25:33I think a lot of people at the moment feel like they don't fit in anywhere.
25:36And a lot of people have said that to me, a lot of art, a big artists have said that
25:40to me, that they're struggling, um, because it's very like quick, quick, quick, quick, quick
25:45right now.
25:46Um, and people like, I'm an album artist.
25:48I'll always be an album artist.
25:50I love albums.
25:51Like, I don't know how else to make, make something like a single, a one of single is
25:57cool.
25:57And I'll probably do that, but it doesn't make as much sense to me.
26:01I don't know why I think if I may, I think you're a storyteller and you're a world builder
26:06and you can't really do that on a track.
26:07It's really hard.
26:08Cause I'm like, what's the context?
26:10It's just like a throwaway track in my head.
26:14Um, but in saying that, like some of the one-off singles that I've done, I've done really
26:18well and you know, they're usually really cool collaborations, but I just love albums.
26:24Like my favorite album of the year was the Turnstile album.
26:28Yeah.
26:28And like, I love listening to that album from beginning to end because you know how much
26:34thought was put into that record.
26:36And like, for me, it's just like, I'm immersed in this world for a little bit.
26:40Yeah.
26:40I think, um, that, uh, you know, I think albums are coming back.
26:47I do too.
26:48Because I think people want something that feels slower.
26:51People need a world that feels like exactly that they can, they can escape for a little
26:57bit is way too loud right now.
26:59Yeah, exactly.
27:00Everyone needs to hug.
27:02Okay.
27:03Well, speaking of a lot is about to happen for you.
27:07Yeah.
27:07And so take me through the next month, two months and you know, then potentially into playing
27:13again.
27:14What does it look like for you as this album comes out in tandem with you having your
27:17second child?
27:18Well, we've definitely planned everything out so that I'm feeling comfortable.
27:21And if I don't, the thing is like, same as the first, you just don't know.
27:27Like when I had Max a month later, I was back in the studio, you know, you just don't know
27:31how you're going to feel.
27:32And so, you know, uh, I have, I'm about to have like literally about to have the baby
27:38and then the album comes out.
27:39Um, but like, there's enough time where I think I should be able to come out and see
27:45people during that week.
27:47Um, and then I have a couple of shows before New Year's and then next year is when I do
27:53the tour next year.
27:55Okay.
27:55You know, I have a whole other album ready of other stuff from another artist.
28:02Oh.
28:03Side project, which we already know.
28:05Okay.
28:06Yeah.
28:06Okay.
28:06That's exciting too.
28:07There's some, you're creative mode.
28:09I just, I'm in creative mode.
28:11Like that's the thing.
28:12Like, um, I don't really feel like it slowed me down.
28:15I just feel like I don't know where I fit.
28:17Cause also, you know, it's really hard to relate to other moms that aren't in the industry.
28:25I can't imagine why.
28:27Like, yeah, it's just, you know, it's a bit, it's a bit of a like, where do I fit in?
28:32Um, but you know, I, again, need to shout out my support network because
28:37that's, that's how I'm able to do this.
28:40Yeah.
28:40Well, yeah.
28:41I'm so glad you found that.
28:42I'm so glad that things are working out as they are.
28:44And thank you for telling us about it.
28:46Thank you for having me.
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