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Subtronics takes us to his new favorite coffee shop, companion in Venice. Hosted by ‘Love Islands’ Nic Vans, they bond over dubstep and discuss upcoming live shows, collaborations and the evolution to his new album 'Fibonacci Pt 2: Infinity,' his fascination with math and incorporating it into his music and more!
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00:00The sub isn't as present as I want it to be, type shit.
00:03Yeah, type shit.
00:04So nonchalant, man.
00:05Are you born in, are you from Florida, originally?
00:07Philly.
00:08Philly, alright.
00:09I heard the type shit.
00:10Yeah, I'm too chronically online.
00:17What's up, Jesse?
00:18How's it going, man?
00:19Good to see you.
00:20Good to see you.
00:21Thank you so much for having me, I'm so excited.
00:22Thanks for showing me your local spot.
00:24Oh yeah, totally.
00:25Good to be here.
00:26Yeah, let's get some coffee.
00:27Let's do it.
00:30Hey, how's it going?
00:34Good to see you.
00:35Can I get a large iced latte with almond milk and vanilla as well?
00:40Yes.
00:41Ooh, can I get a slice of banana bread?
00:42Yeah.
00:43Can I do a chai latte, please?
00:44Yeah, is that it?
00:45Yeah.
00:46I got you, man.
00:47No, stop.
00:48No, actually, I got you.
00:49Nope, I win.
00:50Let's go.
00:51Thanks, man.
00:52I like your signature.
00:53Yeah, no one checks this.
00:54Can I get an autograph?
01:00We're at Companion in Venice Beach.
01:01Oh yeah.
01:02Is there a story behind this place?
01:04Full disclosure, I actually just moved to the area.
01:07So I'm kind of naive to like what my totally favorite spots are.
01:11But a lot of my friends know like the type of vibe that I really like.
01:14And a handful of people were like, yo, you got to check this place out.
01:16Is this like your routine breakfast spot?
01:18Cafe spot?
01:19No, it's actually my first time here.
01:20Oh, seriously?
01:21Yeah, so like I just moved here and like a bunch of people recommended it.
01:23Yeah.
01:24And I fucking love like little cute coffee shops.
01:26Yeah.
01:27I like the vinyls.
01:28I walked into the media and I was like, oh yeah, everyone's right.
01:30Yeah, totally.
01:31Have you ever DJed with vinyls?
01:32I have.
01:33Is that your thing?
01:34No, it's hard.
01:35Is it hard?
01:36It's really hard.
01:37Well, because you have to like, if you want to do a blend, you have to continuously beatmatch
01:39like the whole time.
01:40Yeah.
01:41So we're like, in digital format, things will like lock into place.
01:44Where on vinyl, you have to continuously make like tiny little micro adjustments.
01:48So we'll stick to the CDJs.
01:49Yeah.
01:50And there's like, and the other thing that's tricky is there's zero visual indication of
01:54anything.
01:55You like 100% have to use your ears.
01:56And the only way to set cue markers is to put little stickers down.
01:59You know, we'll just stick to the hot cues.
02:01Yeah.
02:02Let's talk about your upcoming album.
02:03Oh yeah, I'd love to.
02:04Fibonacci part two, infinity that comes out in 15 days, nine hours and roughly 44 minutes.
02:11Roughly.
02:12I did pretty save it on Spotify.
02:14Thanks man.
02:15So you built a world using mathematical concepts.
02:18Your past albums, fractals, Tesseract.
02:20Now Fibonacci.
02:21Can you tell us like how those concepts have evolved with your music?
02:25What it means?
02:26Does Tesseract mean?
02:27Is that a Avengers term?
02:29Totally.
02:30I really have a habit of kind of like, I like to theme my projects around the things that
02:36fascinate me the most.
02:37And I've always like literally since as long as I can remember, I've had some like just
02:40total fascination and epiphany with like quantum physics and like sci-fi term type shit.
02:47Not even sci-fi.
02:48I've just been obsessed with like higher dimensional theory.
02:50Anything where Neil deGrasse Tyson is narrating, you know, or Carl Sagan is narrating.
02:53And I will listen.
02:54Exactly.
02:55Even if I don't understand that.
02:56Yeah, like Pale Blue Dot.
02:57I would read like Michio Kaku books about like the fabric of space time and I was just
03:00so obsessed with it.
03:01So Fractals was my first real like entire large project album attempt.
03:06And Fractals really, as far as naming, it was kind of representative of a lot of those
03:09concepts.
03:10Tesseract was like, I always knew I was going to name something Tesseract because I've always
03:14been obsessed with Tesseract because it's a four dimensional cube.
03:17So I kind of was like, I'm going to name something Tesseract one day and that's what that was.
03:20Wait, that's sick.
03:21Can I see your tie?
03:22Yeah, totally.
03:23So it's a two dimensional shadow of a three dimensional shadow of a four dimensional cube.
03:27And I'm just like obsessed with that concept.
03:29And then so Fibonacci, like the golden ratio, the math equation that explains like all of
03:36reality or all of nature.
03:38In this instance, that kind of ties in in a sense where like this project is representative
03:43of like every single thing that I want to do or every single part of my project that I
03:49want to express.
03:50So it really is like an all encompassing thing.
03:53So like, yes, there's like heavy, high energy dance floor moments.
03:56There's like introspective, thoughtful things that will be emotionally compelling.
04:00There's experimental stuff where I have no idea what I'm doing, but I think it sounds
04:04really fun.
04:05And it was really fun to make.
04:06And is part one kind of different than part two or is it like a continuation?
04:10Totally.
04:11So I think Fibonacci as a whole, because Fibonacci to me really means an equation that is every
04:16single thing.
04:17So the album as a whole is in a sense every single thing that I currently can do or know
04:22how to do.
04:23It's my entire project summarized into one album as conclusively and cohesively as I possibly
04:28can.
04:29With part one being a little bit more dance floor oriented, a little bit more heavy and high
04:33energy.
04:34Part two is definitely more introspective, maybe a little bit melancholy at times.
04:38And it's more meant to like almost be like sat down and listened to in headphones in a
04:42sense.
04:43Okay.
04:44So instead of like going to a festival and listening to that?
04:45Yeah.
04:46But I mean a lot of them are totally like festival friendly songs.
04:48Yeah.
04:49But I think the Fibonacci-ness of it is that it's all encompassing of everything, you know?
04:53And I want to, because there's just so many things I've learned over the years that I
04:56want to show and do.
04:57Are you making this music like more for your own enjoyment or are you doing it for others?
05:02It's like what you love to do?
05:03Yeah.
05:04Totally.
05:05Yeah, yeah.
05:06I've both been really fortunate to, you know, take more risks, but then also found the confidence
05:11to take more risks.
05:12Yeah.
05:13And then also have just come to the conclusion that risks are completely necessary, you know?
05:17I feel like that's like kind of a reason you're so successful is I feel like you took
05:19those risks and like thought outside of the box.
05:22Yeah.
05:23And I mean that kind of goes into my next question.
05:25How do you go about like transcending genres in your music?
05:28Some people put you inside of a box.
05:31I mean, personally myself, I feel like you kind of break all those barriers and blocks.
05:35I try to.
05:36And I feel like that's why you're successful.
05:38So much.
05:39So my number one thing is learning.
05:41Like I just love learning new stuff.
05:43So I'm in a perpetual state of wanting to learn how to make new genres.
05:47There's also a big element of I want to prove that I can do everything in a sense.
05:51So I want to learn how to do it and then I want to prove that I can execute it well.
05:54Is that like components within dubstep or is that like house, techno, tech house?
05:58Everything.
05:59I think it's everything because honestly, at the end of the day, like I really love everything.
06:03I always have loved everything.
06:05My original entrance, my first like extreme obsession was like UK dubstep in like 2000.
06:11Garage?
06:12Like garage?
06:13Uh, UK garage.
06:14Yeah, like the early like Croydon, South London, Big Apple Records, like 2005 through 2009.
06:20Like Scream, Banga, Koki, Lofa, all that shit.
06:22But I also loved like Pendulum, Deadmau5, like every lane, everything.
06:26Although dubstep was the first thing that I really learned well and I really got a hang of it.
06:30As I've grown, everything is so enticing and so interesting.
06:34And so as my project grows, as I want to expand the vision, as I want to world build and develop it,
06:39the kind of all just goes in that direction of like, let's make it bigger, let's make it grander.
06:43I want to learn more and get better at this forever.
06:46And I feel like that's what Fibonacci part two is all about.
06:49That's awesome.
06:57You're kicking off album release with six sold out shows at the shrine.
07:00Let's go.
07:01Congrats.
07:02Thanks man.
07:03At this point, like what show is not sold out? I don't know.
07:05It happens.
07:06What can we expect at these shows?
07:08You know what's so funny?
07:09So like at first I was planning on like having kind of a system for how I was going to like,
07:13maybe like repeat certain things and stuff.
07:15But as I prepare it more and more, it really is looking like it's going to be six completely different sets.
07:19I have so many songs from over the years.
07:22You're saying I need to like go to six, all six shows.
07:24You might need to.
07:25I know.
07:26You might.
07:27Because I just like, that's what I like, at some point Ableton replaced video games for me.
07:31So I just make songs.
07:32That's just like what I do all day every day.
07:33So now because it's been like 15 years of that.
07:36Oh my God, I have like, like 400 songs.
07:38So I need like six entire shows to get to all of them.
07:41So that's really my goal is to play every single thing.
07:44I love that though.
07:45They're like kind of giving you the opportunity.
07:47Yeah.
07:48It's like an errands type situation.
07:49I mean, it's definitely going to be really high energy.
07:51I'm going to try and have the new album like in every night as much as I can.
07:54But I also want to delve into the discography and have everything.
07:57Do you have like certain featured artists on your album coming up that you can like talk about?
08:01So I don't want to spoil the surprise, but we have at least one guest every single night.
08:06Okay.
08:07At least one.
08:08Oh, at the shows.
08:09Yeah.
08:10Totally.
08:11Oh yeah.
08:12We haven't announced the track list yet.
08:13Nobody knows.
08:14Yeah.
08:15There's a bunch of, there's a bunch of cool people on it.
08:16I'm really excited.
08:17Yeah.
08:18Well, speaking of 400 songs, there is one song I heard at Cyclops Cove that I really, really
08:23want to inquire about.
08:24Okay.
08:25Pills, Gucci Mane, Flip.
08:26Oh my God.
08:27You played it at Cyclops Cove.
08:28I was there.
08:29Oh my God.
08:30Yeah.
08:31So good.
08:32Thanks.
08:33I have a video on my phone.
08:34Oh my God.
08:35Oh my God.
08:36Oh my God.
08:37Oh my God.
08:38Oh my God.
08:39Any way you could find that song?
08:40Yeah.
08:41Totally.
08:42Send me a little sample.
08:43Yeah, absolutely.
08:44I'll literally just send it to you.
08:45Cause like, that's one of those things is like, I'll probably never finish it.
08:46I'll never get it cleared.
08:47I'll give you the Dropbox so you can listen to it in your car.
08:48That was like a, like just passing the time, having fun with Ableton little thing.
08:52Oh, thank you so much.
08:53I think I made that on a bus.
08:54I remember being really into that song that day.
08:56I mean, I want to just, I want to listen to this song, but I also want to play with
08:59Ableton right now.
09:00How can I do both of them at the same time?
09:02Yeah.
09:03And then it just ended up as me goofing around with that song in Ableton.
09:06And then eventually I had something I can hit export on.
09:08I never expected to play that.
09:09And it like fully never planned on playing that out ever.
09:12And then I had a friend of mine, Steven Ridgeway, who was like, dude, you gotta play that.
09:16Like I love that.
09:17That gave me the courage to play it.
09:18So it's really serendipitous that that's one of your favorites.
09:20Cause that really very close to no one ever hearing that ever.
09:23I don't know that I've heard it like outside of that.
09:25Definitely.
09:26I've played it like once ever.
09:27Like I've played it less than five times.
09:29And unless you have my computer, you know what I mean?
09:32So maybe I'll get my hands on your computer one day.
09:34Totally.
09:35When you create a song like in Ableton, when do you know that it's perfect?
09:38Is it hard for you to know like when to stop?
09:41Yes.
09:42Are you like constant pursuit of that?
09:44Yes.
09:45And that's literally one of the greatest challenges that I think probably most electronic music producers would relate to.
09:52Is that there is no magical bell that goes off when the song is done.
09:55My dream VST.
09:56My dream Max for Life.
09:58Sweet.
09:59Thank you so much.
10:01Oh man, cheers.
10:02Cheers, bro.
10:03You thought I was rambling now.
10:04No, let's go.
10:05I'm down to ramble.
10:06One of my favorite quotes I heard recently is, you never finish a song, you just stop working on it.
10:10I think Deadmau5 said that.
10:11It's so true.
10:12Yeah.
10:13Some songs, the inspiration just hits so hard and you're so excited about it.
10:17I have songs in the past like Opus, The Crystallized Remix, honestly.
10:20Like that was done.
10:21I knew it was done.
10:29And then there's other songs where like I'll literally have like a full blown psychosis OCD spiral.
10:35Space Time, there was over a thousand exports on Space Time.
10:38That's crazy.
10:39There was over a thousand exports on Alien Communication.
10:41Yeah.
10:42Two of the songs on this album, there was like a several day spiral.
10:45Where like I, there was something in the demo version that was just this one particular way.
10:50Every time I hit export, I couldn't get it back to exactly how I thought it needed to be.
10:54So yeah, it's really easy to go totally insane finishing music.
10:57I think it's one of the most difficult parts of the process.
11:00The easiest thing is starting a song and the hardest thing is finishing.
11:03And like what's, what's the longest you've taken a, you know, compose a song versus the shortest?
11:08The shortest one sitting, two and five hours would be the shortest songs I've made.
11:13Those are, it's crazy how those are oftentimes some of the best ones.
11:16Yeah.
11:17There's been collabs where like it literally, we'll be passing back and forth ideas for years before really diving in on something.
11:23But like then once we finally dive in on it, we'll like bang it out in like two or three days.
11:28The Millennium collab we worked on for like almost a year.
11:30Oh shut up Nick.
11:31I would say most of the time you really do get the bulk of the idea out, you know, in like one or two sittings.
11:46And then even though it's the, the remaining 20% of the song, you'll spend 90% of the time.
11:52The most important portion.
11:53Yeah.
11:54Just like obsessing over the snare doesn't feel right.
11:56This groove isn't quite as strong as it could be.
11:59The sub isn't as present as I want it to be type shit.
12:02Yeah, type shit.
12:03So nonchalant man.
12:04Are you born in, are you from Florida originally?
12:06Philly.
12:07Philly.
12:08Yeah.
12:09There's like, I heard the type shit.
12:10Yeah.
12:11That's, I'm too chronically online.
12:12Also, if you want some, totally go for it.
12:14What if I go in on this?
12:15Yeah, absolutely.
12:16Banana bread at work.
12:17Banana bread at work, dude.
12:18Um, so now that we have our banana bread, our chai latte, our ice latte, I have a couple
12:23rapid fire questions called discourse.
12:25Okay.
12:26Are you ready?
12:27Yes.
12:33Best fan interaction slash best gift you've ever received?
12:36I've gotten some extremely insane gifts.
12:38There's been people that have given me scrapbooks of like pictures from every show that they go
12:42to.
12:43And like they have all the friends that they make sign all the Polaroids that they take.
12:46And it's just like this massive like library of memories and just like unbelievably sentimental
12:52shit where like they just made lifelong friends and it's just so impactful.
12:56Anytime someone tells me that my music has helped with like depression or anxiety or things
13:01that they're going through to me, that is a gift.
13:03That is like the number one, like, oh my God, that is just like so touching.
13:07And I'm just so-
13:08Like music is healing.
13:09Yeah.
13:10That, that is one of my favorite things.
13:11I've got some crazy stuff.
13:12I got like a giant wrestling belt with like a spinning logo.
13:15It's like big heavy metal.
13:16I've gotten some crazy like figurines, you know?
13:19Yeah.
13:20I've gotten some, definitely some crazy stuff.
13:21It's cool.
13:22Like when the fans show love like that.
13:23Yeah.
13:24It's surreal.
13:25Your wife.
13:26Love love.
13:27Best advice for a happy wife, happy life.
13:29She's correct.
13:30No matter what.
13:31She is correct about everything.
13:32And she is.
13:33That's the crazy thing though.
13:34It's like, she is right about everything.
13:36So it's really just remembering that she's right about everything.
13:38Yeah.
13:39Lovealtronics.
13:40Yes.
13:41Pretty sick.
13:42I saw you guys played a show.
13:43Yeah.
13:44EDC Orlando.
13:45EDC Orlando.
13:46Yeah, yeah, yeah.
13:47Should have been there.
13:48Looks sick.
13:49Song that you couldn't get out of your head this year.
13:50I love someone else's.
13:51Crystallize was in my head for a while.
13:52I literally wrote that down.
13:53I can't get Crystallized.
13:54Yeah, Crystallize was in my head for a while.
13:55I can't get Crystallized.
13:56But there's like, there's two specific, songs from the album Antidote's been in my head
14:00for like, since making it.
14:01By a Thread gets stuck in my head.
14:03Infinity gets stuck in my head really bad.
14:05Really good.
14:06And then I really love the new Tame.
14:08Like, End of Summer keeps on getting stuck in my head.
14:11You're not like, constantly listening to Duckstep all the time.
14:13No, no.
14:14I listen to a bunch of stuff.
14:15I wish I could like, pull out my phone and like, go through my Spotify.
14:17Cause it really is like, a bunch of random like, one-off type stuff.
14:20You know, there's Leveltronics.
14:22There's Griztronics.
14:23What other like, artists have you not collabed with?
14:26Is there like, a Skrilltronics?
14:28Oh my god, I wish.
14:29Yeah, that'd be sick.
14:30Dead Nousetronics.
14:31Yeah.
14:32I mean, I would love to.
14:33I'm so collaborative and I really love working with everyone.
14:35And I just look up to anyone that is talented in their craft, you know?
14:39I'd love to work with any of those people so much.
14:42Nicktronics.
14:43Yeah, totally.
14:44I think we call that one Illtronics.
14:45No, no, no.
14:46Illtronics, yeah.
14:47Oh, right.
14:48Yeah, yeah.
14:49Both of your names are Nick.
14:50Nick Square.
14:51Best John Summit back-to-back memory.
14:53Subjohnics.
14:54Honestly, one of my favorite memories was after Forest.
14:57Electric Forest?
14:58Yeah, this was like a while ago.
14:59It was after my Forest set.
15:00Like, okay, so the context here is Forest.
15:02This year was, it was all storms.
15:04It was all mud.
15:05There's like, no vehicles back there.
15:06There's no cars or anything.
15:07So we get off stage and there's a limousine.
15:09I don't know how they got a limousine into the equation.
15:11But it's like a mud-covered limousine.
15:13And it was like me and John and everyone just piled in.
15:16And we drove over to the Renegade where we did the afters.
15:18But I just remember thinking like, what is happening right now that we're like in a limousine
15:22driving through the muddy forest with like a thousand, it was a crazy thing.
15:25I love that.
15:26John seems like such a cool dude.
15:27Dude, he's so nice.
15:28Yeah.
15:29He's like the most down to earth.
15:30I cannot say enough nice things about him.
15:32Like, he's a real ass dude.
15:33I like him so much.
15:34Shout out Crystallized, your new remix.
15:37What's the best bass remix of the year?
15:39Oh, the Taki New Light Nero one.
15:47Nero's so sick.
15:48Honestly, anything Taki New Light or Hamdi does.
15:50I really loved those two.
15:51I'm totally blanking, of course, because now I'm like hyper-caffeinated.
15:54There were so many good remixes.
15:56That one FIZO remix and that sudden death song.
15:58It was a different whip before called Hell.
16:01Now I think it's the Mains of Punishment remix.
16:02That's really good.
16:03Are you a Void fan?
16:04Oh my god, yeah.
16:05I mean, I'm very friends with Danny forever.
16:06When you're not Subtronics, not on stage, what's the most un-rockstar thing that would
16:11absolutely disappoint your fans?
16:13Maybe not disappoint, but like what's the most un-rockstar thing?
16:16I pick up a lot of dog poop.
16:18No, so I pick up a lot of dog poop and I got a really fluffy dog.
16:21So I spend like an unfortunate amount of time.
16:24I'm going to lower my voice because we're in an eating establishment.
16:26I have to give her trims often after she goes to the bathroom.
16:30It doesn't go so well sometimes.
16:31That's pretty un-rock style.
16:32Yeah, it doesn't go so well sometimes.
16:33We got to give her a little haircut if you're catching my drift.
16:36What's changed the most about Jessie as a person since the early SoundCloud days?
16:40Emotional maturity and like emotional stability.
16:43How old were you in your early SoundCloud days?
16:45Because you've been doing this for like 15 years, right?
16:47Yeah, I must have been like 21, 22.
16:50I was a little, I mean I'm definitely still like a little neurotic mess.
16:53And I overthink everything and I'm anxious about everything all the time.
16:55A little more emotionally aware.
16:57Yeah.
16:58I've been through a lot of situations and like seen how the tape gets played out.
17:02So either certain things that used to make me really anxious don't make me anxious, you know?
17:06Cause it's like, oh no, I know it'll be fine. This has happened before and it's fine.
17:09And then also like I've definitely grown up significantly.
17:12Like as just like an adult and as a human being, I think I've become a lot more emotionally mature and emotionally intelligent as I've grown up.
17:19And that's thanks to Sonia, honestly.
17:21I really do think like Sonia's helped me grow up into being just like a functional adult.
17:25Happy wife.
17:26Yeah, exactly.
17:27But even then, like I'm a late bloomer, I'm neurodivergent.
17:30So it really like, I was always worried about like, am I going to be able to grow up, you know, and function in society?
17:37That's like, I have grown up into like an actual adult now who does his laundry and stuff.
17:42I've always actually, no, I did my own laundry early.
17:44I still have a problem with that.
17:45Yeah, that's a terrible example.
17:46I was pretty good about doing my laundry early on.
17:48I have some live show questions.
17:49You have a massive Coachella debut, 2026.
17:52It's cool to see like dubstep, the genre itself, becoming like, I mean, I saw the percentages.
17:57It's like the EDM is like 45% of the lineup this year, like 35% and last year was 25%.
18:04Super cool that you like played as, you know, such an iconic festival.
18:07Like, what does it mean for you?
18:08I genuinely can't believe it.
18:10And I would literally, not to glaze, but like I would, I would circle this into the whole thing of surrealness.
18:15Because like when I started, I literally just wanted to learn how to sound design.
18:18I was like, oh, that's a crazy noise.
18:20I want to learn how to make crazy noises and get good at it.
18:22And that was the only goal.
18:23I never thought anything past that.
18:25And then at one point I was like, it'd be cool to like make a few songs and like to be sort of known in the Philadelphia areas.
18:31Like a guy who makes dubstep and knows a lot about dubstep.
18:34Like with that, I'd be happy.
18:35That's really at its core, just the whole thing.
18:37So the fact that all of this has happened is so beyond surreal, so totally insane.
18:44Like I am thrilled if I can keep a roof over my head from just turning knobs all day.
18:49You know, like that's the goal.
18:51So to play Sphere.
18:52Professional knob turners.
18:53Yeah.
18:54Yeah.
18:55So to play Sphere, to play Coachella is just like so truly never in my wildest dreams would
19:01I have predicted that anything would have gone this far.
19:04I mean, even the genre that I come from, when I first started doing it, there was like less than a few hundred of us.
19:09Total.
19:10That's what I'm saying.
19:11The scene has changed so much.
19:12Yeah.
19:13Like we, like dubstep was kind of popular at the time, but like our lane of dubstep, whether you want to call it like whatever you want to call the quarter note soundcloud underground community of 2017 onward.
19:23There was like 200 of us, you know what I mean?
19:25And the only people doing it were the people making it.
19:27And then suddenly there was kids listening and then it grew and grew and grew.
19:31And it's just so surreal.
19:33And I just don't, I mean, I'm really grateful.
19:36And it's cool that you're like the pioneer, like amongst others.
19:39Yeah, there's so many.
19:41And I, it is, I, I'm so grateful.
19:43And because at its core, like that is my goal is to pioneer stuff.
19:46But at the same time, it's, it's a community effort.
19:49I definitely hope to contribute.
19:50Well, you're doing a good job.
19:52Thanks.
19:53This is your first major tour in two years.
19:55How does it feel to prepare for like multi-city run again and what you've missed most about performing versus like, you know, the one-off festival dates?
20:02Well, you know, what's so funny is we really do play a lot of shows and we really do like hit a lot of cities throughout the year.
20:09So it is, it is so, it's so like ironically a little disjointed cause it's like, oh no, I'm always playing.
20:14And then all the time, like I'll have like a one-off show somewhere and someone is like, how's tour been?
20:18And I'm like, oh, I'm not on tour. I'm just playing shows.
20:20But like you kind of technically are, I guess.
20:22Exactly.
20:23It's just like, yeah.
20:24So for me, what's so special about it is when we're doing a tour like that, it really, it makes the whole thing feel more cohesive because it centers it around a piece of work.
20:31Where a lot of times when I'm just like playing shows, I'm just like doing an all over thing where this is like really themed to this specific project.
20:38And that's Fibonacci.
20:39Yes.
20:40It's going to have a production that is cohesive and succinct with the whole, you know, the rest of the project.
20:46The tight tours like this where we really advertise it as a tour, it gets really dialed in and it becomes a really well rehearsed show.
20:56We just get locked in and firing in all cylinders.
21:00And I think like all the laser time codes get cleaner and better.
21:03And I really like tweak and perfect my set more and more.
21:07And I think it's really some of our best performances is when we're on tour because we're doing so many shows in rapid succession.
21:15We're able to really fine tune it to like the absolute most perfect thing we can possibly put on.
21:21I'm so excited.
21:22I'm going to attend at least one Fibonacci tour date.
21:24Let's go.
21:25You just headlined the sphere with Unity.
21:27How was that for you?
21:28Like doing a venue like that?
21:29That is freaking insane.
21:31I mean, I saw video clips and I was so jealous.
21:34I blacked out.
21:35Yeah, I totally blacked out.
21:36I totally because my brain didn't know what to do with the information that it was being served.
21:39Like it was just like.
21:40I saw like you're the first person to do play rhythm in the sphere.
21:44I think so.
21:45I don't know.
21:46Slander played some dubstep but like I played like Pass Out.
21:48Yeah.
21:49Shout out Subtiltronic.
21:50Like I played like textbook songs.
21:52I mean I was doubling them.
21:53Or like shout out Warlord.
21:54That's what I was going to say.
21:55Shivers?
21:56Yeah, yeah.
21:57Like I was like there were pits and I was chopping.
21:59That's so sad.
22:00I had three decks playing quarter notes at once.
22:03And I was like I think this might be the first instance of this in this room.
22:06Unbelievably surreal.
22:07Never.
22:08That's a phenomenal example of never in my wildest dreams.
22:11You know.
22:12Nor was it.
22:13It's like what comes next?
22:14I don't know.
22:15The sphere of Coachella.
22:16And chronologically speaking Coachella does because.
22:19But.
22:20It's all.
22:21It's all up there.
22:22Yeah.
22:23Congratulations.
22:25I mean you've gone from being a prominent niche underground.
22:27You know main stages globally.
22:29I saw you did a show in Japan too speaking of that.
22:31That was my favorite country by the way.
22:33What was the most pivotal moment or change that facilitated the growth.
22:36And allowed you to reach like an audience as far as Tokyo.
22:39I think it's the internet.
22:41You know what's so funny is when I first started.
22:43The first shows I ever played like as a dubstep guy.
22:47Was in Paris, Australia and Montreal.
22:50So I think the internet specifically globally.
22:53Has always been really tapped in to like the most cutting edge.
22:56Wave of new music and at the time what I was doing in dubstep.
23:00I still like to think what I'm doing now.
23:01Of course cutting edge.
23:02But it was that was really when that community started to break.
23:04All the internet nerds from around the world.
23:06Were totally tapped in.
23:08So I was able to go play those places.
23:10And like you know the internet nerds.
23:12All 300 of them in Perth.
23:14All collected you know.
23:15And Tokyo really felt the same.
23:17You know and Osaka really felt the same.
23:18Where it's like whenever I'm traveling internationally.
23:20I noticed it's definitely the more hardcore fans.
23:23They've been following online for a really long time.
23:26It's that's a big one.
23:27It's such like a special treat for them.
23:29Like for you to go.
23:30Yeah.
23:31And so many of those kids have been following for a really long time.
23:35And have been like wanting to see the show for so long.
23:39And I get requests for much older music when I go international.
23:42A lot of the time.
23:43Like your classics.
23:44Or even like pre-classics stuff.
23:47Like before pop off.
23:49The subreddit.
23:50Yeah yeah.
23:51Before things really started to pop off.
23:53I'll get requests from like that era.
23:55A lot.
23:56Japan is one of the craziest crowds on the earth.
23:58They have so much energy.
24:00They are so.
24:01They know every song so well.
24:02They're excited for the VIPs.
24:04They can tell when it's a VIP you know type shit.
24:07Yeah.
24:08I just want to say thank you for keeping people inspired.
24:10Oh man.
24:11Oh dude.
24:13If you know you know.
24:14Yes.
24:15Thanks Jesse.
24:16Hell yeah.
24:17Appreciate it.
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