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OK Go interviews each other about their first GRAMMY nomination for Best Music Video for “Love” since their win in 2006 for their viral video “Here It Goes Again," how they feel about using AI in their music videos and more.
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00:00Hey, Billboard. We're OK Go, and we are about to interview each other. Let's see.
00:05How this OK Go goes.
00:10How this OK Go, and we are about to interview each other. Let's see.
00:15OK, Damien, a friend of mine since we were 11 years old. Let's take a walk down memory lane.
00:20We won our first Grammy for Here It Goes Again. It's a milestone for us.
00:24What do you remember most?
00:25Tell us about that time in our lives. Where were we at?
00:28I remember we were
00:30ending an album cycle. We thought we were about to go write and record our next album.
00:35We were playing at a festival in Moscow.
00:40When it when it went online, we thought like maybe 50 of our fans were going to
00:45download it that day and pass it to some other fans and that would kind of be it.
00:49Yeah. The next week.
00:50The album was back to the top of the charts again and we started touring.
00:55All over again. It was a whole nother 18 month album cycle.
00:58I remember we were supposed to go.
01:00We went home to Los Angeles after the festival in Moscow. We got redirected to New York.
01:05And then we didn't go home for another year and a half.
01:08Yeah, it was intense. It was exciting.
01:10It really was like it felt like the kind of anything can happen moment.
01:14Right.
01:15One weird thing connects and all of a sudden your life is different.
01:19Yeah.
01:20I remember also thinking it's pretty cool that that video, which is just like us kind of
01:25doing what we do as friends normally. Dance on treadmills. Dance on treadmills.
01:30Yeah.
01:31But just make fun things together like resonated.
01:33Yeah.
01:34And then our.
01:35Our major label had spent, you know, years of radio.
01:40The promo to get, you know, a half a million people to buy our album, which was awesome.
01:44Yeah.
01:45But then that many people watch that video in the first like.
01:50Four hours.
01:51Totally.
01:52Yeah.
01:53It's crazy.
01:54Yeah.
01:55Here it goes again.
01:5520 weeks on the Hot 100.
01:57Did you know that?
01:58I remember that now.
01:59Yeah.
02:00Yeah.
02:00Yeah.
02:01Could you have called that in advance?
02:02There's no way I could have called that in advance.
02:04No.
02:05I mean, we were like about to wrap that record up, I think.
02:09And.
02:10I.
02:11No, I don't.
02:12I don't think there was a way to know that.
02:13I also really thought that.
02:15It was like a dorky joke for our dorkiest fans.
02:18Right.
02:19Yeah.
02:20We'd had a.
02:20Video go kind of like proto viral.
02:22Us dancing in the backyard.
02:24Circa 2006.
02:252007.
02:26Whatever it was.
02:27There was no streaming service.
02:29Yeah.
02:30Right.
02:31So if you.
02:30Needed.
02:31If people were going to watch a video at home, that meant downloading a big file and basically.
02:35Only people in the IT department did that.
02:36We knew all of a sudden that there was like a half a million super fans.
02:40Who were accessing accessing our band in a completely different way.
02:45Than the sort of major label structure.
02:47Was used to.
02:48Yeah.
02:49And so we made a cool thing for them.
02:50But it did not seem like there was anybody outside of that community who was.
02:55Going to see this thing.
02:56It was like.
02:57Hey.
02:58If you liked.
02:59If you like this ridiculous video.
03:00We'll make you another ridiculous video.
03:01Right.
03:00But there was no way that something like YouTube was going to happen and just change the surface
03:04of the planet.
03:05I think that's the thing is there's no way we could have predicted that.
03:07Yeah.
03:08Yeah.
03:09Except I did.
03:10Oh, you did.
03:10Yeah.
03:11Yeah.
03:12That's right.
03:13I forgot to tell you that I did actually think it was going to work.
03:14So now we're back.
03:15One of the Grammys.
03:16Two nominations.
03:17Oh, this year.
03:18This year.
03:19Yeah.
03:20One for our music.
03:20Big video for love.
03:21And best recording package.
03:23This particular recording package.
03:24That's right.
03:25Good.
03:26Right.
03:27And the adjacent possible.
03:28Ba-bam.
03:29Where were we when we.
03:30We heard the news.
03:31What were we feeling?
03:33We were in Houston, Texas playing a show.
03:35That night.
03:36Yeah.
03:37I was just very pleased and very honest.
03:40honored that our community of peers still paying attention to what we do.
03:45Yeah.
03:46Look, the Grammys do an amazing job.
03:50Of being inclusive across the entire music industry.
03:53But like anything else in the music industry.
03:55A lot is focused on the next big thing.
03:58The whatever's happening.
04:00Right this moment at this very forefront of pop culture.
04:03Yeah.
04:04And for a band like us, it's been around.
04:05For 25 years.
04:06Making stuff that's considerably weirder than what.
04:10The mainstream normally goes for.
04:12To have like our community of peers.
04:15Honor the videos and the packaging and the music that we're making.
04:19Is.
04:20Exceptional.
04:21Really feels great.
04:22Agreed.
04:23Agreed.
04:24A rave for the.
04:25Underdog.
04:26All right.
04:30The best song there's ever been.
04:32Love.
04:33Love.
04:35We're nominated for love.
04:36Our video with mirrors and robots.
04:38Yeah.
04:39Which is so different from.
04:40Here I get goes again.
04:41Our video with treadmills.
04:42But it still feels like classic okay.
04:45Go.
04:46In its inventiveness.
04:47Agreed.
04:48How are our lives different from who we were.
04:50Back then.
04:51And how would you say.
04:52We have evolved.
04:53Hmm.
04:54I think most.
04:55Mostly we have evolved.
04:56Just in the sense that we.
04:57Are more.
04:58Confident.
04:59In.
05:00Doing the things that.
05:01Make us happy.
05:02Are you confident.
05:03Tim.
05:04I'm a very.
05:05Confident man.
05:06You're full of confidence.
05:07And I know that you are too.
05:08Oh yeah.
05:09I'm just a bastion of confidence.
05:10I've known you for a long.
05:10Long time.
05:11Yeah.
05:12If you're.
05:13If you're nothing else.
05:14You are confident.
05:15But yeah.
05:15I think.
05:16The difference between.
05:17Us.
05:18The guys on the treadmills.
05:19Versus.
05:20Us now.
05:21With.
05:22Robots and mirrors.
05:23Is that.
05:24At some point.
05:25We got.
05:25Comfortable with the idea.
05:26That.
05:27The things that really light us up.
05:29Are the thing.
05:30Things.
05:31To chase.
05:32Yeah.
05:33You know.
05:34We feel confident in that idea.
05:35I'm going to take it small.
05:35Just.
05:36The difference between.
05:37Here it goes again.
05:38Treadmill video.
05:39And.
05:40Of.
05:41Robot mirror video.
05:42Yeah.
05:43Is emotion.
05:44Emotion.
05:45Yeah.
05:46You know what I mean.
05:47Like.
05:45I.
05:46They're both.
05:47Super.
05:48Homemade.
05:49What we're trying to do.
05:50Is show the people.
05:50In the audience.
05:51Exactly how it was made.
05:52We don't want them to like.
05:53Get lost.
05:54In.
05:55A story.
05:55Or be in an alternate universe.
05:56It's not normal filmmaking.
05:57What we're doing.
05:58Is being like.
05:59This is an.
06:00Art.
06:01An art event.
06:02That can only happen once.
06:03It's an art event.
06:04Made for the song.
06:05Which we're going to film.
06:06And.
06:07We want you to feel the whole thing.
06:08Right.
06:09With here it goes again.
06:10You want that sense of joy.
06:11And wonder.
06:12And curiosity.
06:13But it's all about.
06:14Like.
06:15Uplift.
06:16And energy.
06:17And kind of like.
06:18Yeah.
06:19Humor.
06:20You know.
06:20Yeah.
06:21And.
06:22What I'm really proud of.
06:23With love.
06:24The mirrors and robots video.
06:25Is that.
06:26I think it really tugs on the heartstrings.
06:27Like.
06:28We can have that feeling of.
06:29Of explosive.
06:30Of joy.
06:31But it's also like.
06:32Sad.
06:33Or like.
06:34Hard.
06:35Heart wrenching.
06:36Yeah.
06:37In its way.
06:38And I didn't know if we'd be.
06:39Able to keep that.
06:40The.
06:40Sort of.
06:41That type of spectacle.
06:42And also get emotion into it.
06:43And we did.
06:44We did it.
06:45And.
06:46You know.
06:47Nineteen years ago.
06:48The world was a wildly different.
06:50place.
06:51Globally.
06:52Politically.
06:53Musically.
06:54Artistically.
06:55Technologically.
06:56And.
06:55Certainly.
06:56Personally.
06:57Like.
06:58I'm a father now.
06:59Like.
07:00I spend a lot more time with my kids.
07:00And I did back then.
07:01Because they exist.
07:02And.
07:03And.
07:04I think.
07:05Artistic.
07:05Artistically.
07:06We're able to come out this a little more comfortable in our own skin.
07:09Yeah.
07:10I.
07:10I bet.
07:11Everybody in the music industry knows some version of this.
07:13It's like.
07:14The statistics are.
07:15The statistics are.
07:16Against you.
07:17At.
07:18Every moment of your career.
07:19Right.
07:20It is ridiculous to think.
07:20That you could make your.
07:21Your.
07:22Your living.
07:23Being a musician.
07:24And then it's even more ridiculous to think you're going.
07:25To get a second album.
07:26And then it's even more ridiculous to think it's going to last.
07:28For.
07:2920.
07:3025.
07:3030 years.
07:31And.
07:32At some point.
07:33You get used to the.
07:35Right.
07:35It's ridiculous.
07:36Like.
07:37It's still.
07:38Ludicrous.
07:39It's still.
07:40Statistically.
07:40possible.
07:41That we'll get to keep doing this.
07:42But.
07:43We've outlasted enough statistics.
07:45That I've stopped worrying about whether or not we get the opportunity to make another
07:48one.
07:49It just feels.
07:50Easier to just make the things.
07:52We make.
07:53Yeah.
07:54You know.
07:55We're less led by.
07:55Fear than I think we once were.
07:56Less led by fear and anxiety than we once were.
07:58Yeah.
07:59Yeah.
08:00Well.
08:00All right.
08:01To put that in a more positive way.
08:03When you're in early career.
08:05It.
08:06You're sort of like.
08:07You have to take every opportunity.
08:08Yeah.
08:09That's given to you.
08:10And you also.
08:10Have no idea what the road ahead looks like.
08:12How much of it is a dead end.
08:13How much of it is a trap.
08:15How much.
08:15How much of it is a doorway to the.
08:17You know.
08:18Blissful infinity.
08:19You just don't.
08:20Know.
08:21And.
08:22Like.
08:23This deep into our career.
08:24Like.
08:25We.
08:25Know what we make.
08:26We know who listens to it.
08:27Who cares about it.
08:28And what it means to the world.
08:29We have no illusions.
08:30That we are suddenly going to be like.
08:31This summer's next big hit.
08:32Yeah.
08:33Right.
08:34With like.
08:35You know.
08:3513 year old.
08:36But.
08:37What we do know.
08:38Is that the community of people.
08:39Who loves what we do.
08:40Are going.
08:40Nowhere.
08:41And we get to keep doing the thing we do.
08:42And it's very comforting to like.
08:43To be able to approach our.
08:45Our art.
08:46Knowing.
08:47What it means to the world.
08:48Yeah.
08:49I remember at the end of the video.
08:50Our co-director.
08:51And Duffy.
08:52Giving a talk to the crew.
08:54Because we haven't.
08:55Gotten the take yet.
08:56Yeah.
08:57And.
08:58And.
08:59Telling the crew.
09:00You know.
09:01I know it seems impossible.
09:03That we're going to get this today.
09:05But.
09:06We're going to get it.
09:07Because these guys always get it.
09:08And.
09:09You know.
09:10He's like.
09:11I've done it with.
09:10Them before.
09:11And I trust.
09:12We're going.
09:13I trust we're going to do this.
09:14And I remember thinking like.
09:15Gosh.
09:16I guess we have always gotten it.
09:17Haven't we?
09:18Like.
09:19There's.
09:20This sort of like.
09:20It was nice to be reminded that.
09:22It's not a fluke.
09:24It's not a fluke.
09:25Yeah.
09:26Yeah.
09:27I mean.
09:28Over the course of a lifetime.
09:30It feels like a fluke.
09:31Yeah.
09:32But.
09:33We'll probably get another fluke.
09:34This year.
09:35Yeah.
09:35It's not a fluke.
09:36It's just to be anything.
09:41Let's talk about robots.
09:42For love.
09:43We shot the video in one take using 20.
09:45nine robots.
09:46What was the most challenging parts?
09:48Would we ever plan to incorporate AI?
09:50into our music making process?
09:52Uh.
09:53Okay.
09:54So for the video.
09:55And the robots.
09:56I would say the most challenging part is.
09:58Uh.
09:59Staying.
10:00Staying.
10:01Staying.
10:02Playful.
10:03When it takes so many.
10:04Articulations and.
10:05Interations to get from an.
10:07Idea.
10:08To something on screen.
10:09Yeah.
10:10That.
10:10Basically.
10:11With robots.
10:12Like robots can do anything.
10:13But you have to iterate it very slowly.
10:14You have to say like.
10:15I want it to do this.
10:16And then this.
10:17And then this.
10:18And you have to like.
10:19Try that.
10:20See how it has failed.
10:21Do it again.
10:20And so it's very easy to lose.
10:22The joyful.
10:23Playful.
10:24Okay.
10:25Uh.
10:25Collaborative.
10:26Nature of.
10:27Of.
10:28Of music making.
10:29Of music video making.
10:30We had an amazing previous team on that.
10:32We had an amazing.
10:33Amazing previous team on.
10:34An amazing team in.
10:35In general.
10:36Yeah.
10:37But it did take.
10:38Six months of.
10:39Of slow work to go like.
10:40Here's an idea.
10:40And then two weeks later.
10:41Let's.
10:42See what that robot would look like.
10:43If we tried that.
10:44And.
10:45You know.
10:45And then get in the room with it all.
10:46Exactly.
10:47Yeah.
10:48I will.
10:49Say that.
10:50The robots.
10:50For that video.
10:51All they're there.
10:52To do.
10:53Is service the mirrors.
10:54Yeah.
10:55Like the point of that.
10:55Video is.
10:56That if you take.
10:57Two mirrors.
10:58And you point them at each other.
10:59You get this infinite.
11:00Reflection.
11:00Which to me.
11:01Feels a lot like.
11:02What it's like.
11:03To fall in love.
11:04Or.
11:05To find the new.
11:06A new take on love.
11:09Which.
11:10Happens.
11:10Happened to me.
11:11When I became a father.
11:12And I felt.
11:13What it was like.
11:14That this.
11:15Idea.
11:16I feel like.
11:17I've always.
11:15Known.
11:16Suddenly.
11:17Exploded into new dimension.
11:18And so.
11:19There's a very literal.
11:20Uh.
11:21Metaphor for that.
11:23Like.
11:24Here's.
11:25Seeing extra dimension.
11:26Yeah.
11:27You know.
11:28And so the robots.
11:29It was easy to say.
11:30Focus.
11:30On what the robots.
11:31Should do.
11:32Because we knew.
11:33What the mirror.
11:34Should do.
11:35It was basically like.
11:36We're just trying.
11:37To get these mirrors.
11:38You.
11:39You.
11:40You.
11:41You.
11:42You.
11:43You.
11:44You.
11:45You.
11:46You.
11:47You.
11:48You.
11:49You.
11:50You.
11:51You.
11:53You.
11:54You.
11:55You.
11:56You.
11:57You.
11:58You.
11:59You.
12:00You.
12:01You.
12:02You.
12:03You.
12:04You.
12:04Most of the time.
12:05You just get two notes.
12:06Yeah.
12:07Right.
12:08Like.
12:09It's just a new set.
12:10Like.
12:11Two sounds.
12:12Mixed.
12:13Mix.
12:14pops out an emotion on the other side.
12:15And that is like the world's most magical feeling.
12:19Like this beat can somehow just make,
12:21it can like light up a part of your brain
12:23in a whole different way.
12:24And if you're not the one discovering that,
12:27if you're not going on the journey,
12:29of finding that stuff,
12:30it kind of feels like what's the point, you know?
12:32However, I recognize.
12:34That like as a technological tool,
12:37it's so immensely.
12:39Powerful, that there have got to be ways of using it
12:42that, that.
12:44That help expand your creativity
12:46and help you just help you like.
12:49tumble down new paths of discovery.
12:52It's hard for me to imagine what those are yet.
12:54And I'm particularly susceptible to...
12:59the feeling that it is all built
13:01on other people's music right now.
13:04Like when I listen to the Stone Roses
13:06and I get inspired by the Stone Roses,
13:08what comes...
13:09comes out the other side
13:09is a very weird revision
13:12of my understanding of this.
13:14when an AI listens to Stone Roses
13:17and then recreates Stone Roses,
13:18that feels a lot...
13:19a lot less creative.
13:21Yeah.
13:21That feels much more...
13:24like plagiarism.
13:25Yeah, it takes a little bit of the fun
13:26out of the human experience
13:27of making something, I guess.
13:28Yes.
13:29And until those tools feel like
13:31they're actually giving credit and...
13:34compensation to the people...
13:35to the body of work that trained them,
13:37it feels a little bit wrong.
13:39Damien, Sabrina Carpenter,
13:41Clips, Do Chi, and Sade also nominated...
13:44for Best Music Video.
13:45Okay.
13:46Great group of artists.
13:47Yes.
13:48Who's been on your...
13:49repeat playlist?
13:50Well, Sade has, actually.
13:51Sade.
13:52I...
13:53Always a huge Sade.
13:54holiday fan.
13:54Yeah.
13:54I've been going through
13:55a Stone Roses phase again.
13:56Ugh.
13:57Me too, actually weird.
13:59Really?
13:59Yeah.
13:59I mean, it's not that...
14:01it doesn't take that long
14:02for me to come back
14:03to the Stone Roses.
14:04It's like every couple of years
14:04there's another...
14:05I go back to it.
14:07But...
14:07Uh...
14:08Part...
14:09Parcels?
14:09Parcels?
14:10Hmm.
14:10Okay.
14:11Yeah, I like that.
14:12I like that.
14:12I like it.
14:14Got a band called Automatic.
14:15Okay.
14:16Like it.
14:16Love them.
14:17Dochi is on there.
14:18Sure.
14:19Dochi is definitely on there.
14:20My children are, in fact,
14:22rooting for us to win.
14:24Yeah.
14:24These Grammys.
14:25That is mostly because
14:26I deprived them of access
14:28to...
14:29contemporary music.
14:30Not intentionally.
14:31But what they get into,
14:33they...
14:34They're really into
14:34Les Miserables.
14:35Yeah.
14:36As they should be.
14:37They're really into
14:37what they refer to as...
14:39which can either be
14:41orchestral music
14:43that goes...
14:44along with action movies.
14:46So like something
14:46like James Bond?
14:47Well, yeah, but...
14:49I put that in the
14:50second category,
14:51which is sort of like
14:5260s jazz...
14:54jazz funk
14:54with a kind of
14:55dark tone to it.
14:56Right?
14:57Yeah, they really like,
14:58you know,
14:58Man from Uncle...
14:59musical theme.
14:59That kind of stuff.
15:01But their friends at
15:01School Trip keep trying
15:02to get them into
15:03K-pop demon hunk.
15:04And they're like,
15:05yes, but have you heard
15:06Les Miserables?
15:08And they think that...
15:09Those are equivalent.
15:10Both important in my mind.
15:11Both important.
15:12Yeah, yeah.
15:12But it means that my...
15:14my kids are afraid
15:15to root for us
15:16in the Grammys
15:16because I don't think
15:17they know any of the others.
15:19they're contenders.
15:20And that wasn't also
15:21on purpose?
15:22Like, you don't want
15:23them rooting for the...
15:24competition?
15:24Not at all.
15:25I've tried...
15:26You know, like,
15:26when other kids...
15:29come over for playdates,
15:30I let the other kids
15:31choose the music.
15:32Like, I always make sure
15:33that they're...
15:34that the other kids
15:34have the opportunity
15:35to influence my kids
15:36musically.
15:37And they just...
15:38Like...
15:39Like, they have no interest
15:40in contemporary pop
15:41unless they think
15:43it sounds like...
15:44Les Miserables.
15:46I mean, I love that.
15:47I think that's great.
15:48Yeah.
15:48Like, I...
15:49I played a song by...
15:51What's his name?
15:52Kind of a crooner.
15:54Modern take on Roy Orbison.
15:56Orville Peck.
15:56Orville Peck.
15:57I played an Orville Peck
15:58song the other day.
15:59And my son loved it.
16:01And he was like,
16:01you know what?
16:02Sounds like Les Miserables.
16:03I don't even...
16:04I don't even know
16:04why he thinks it's not...
16:05But I like...
16:06He loves Orville Peck now.
16:07I think it's the low voice
16:08probably.
16:08Yeah.
16:09And I think maybe
16:09the kind of spacey...
16:11The reverb
16:11and the kind of like...
16:14universe building.
16:15Yeah.
16:16Yeah.
16:16Tim?
16:17Yeah.
16:18We have.
16:19According to these notes,
16:20developed a reputation
16:21for pushing creative boundaries.
16:23Mm.
16:23Mm-hmm.
16:24Why do you think
16:24crafting unique visuals
16:25and a physical experience
16:28for our listeners?
16:29is still important
16:30in a time
16:31dominated
16:32by streaming.
16:34That's an interesting question.
16:36Yeah.
16:36You know,
16:36we started...
16:38as most bands do.
16:39But we very much started
16:40as a group of guys
16:43that got on...
16:44on stage
16:44and played music
16:45before we even
16:46were recording.
16:49a ton as a band.
16:50I feel like we
16:51loved the live experience
16:53and we loved...
16:54being in a room full of people
16:55and feeling the energy...
16:57you know.
16:59swirl around the room
17:00and I think we've done
17:01a pretty good job
17:02of making records
17:03and videos.
17:04videos
17:04that
17:06take from that spirit.
17:09you know,
17:09like our videos
17:09are very much about
17:10like,
17:11here's something we did
17:13if we could have...
17:14had you in the room
17:14we probably would have.
17:15I think it always sort of like
17:17takes from the spirit
17:18of what...
17:19we started doing live
17:20of like,
17:21we want to be with people.
17:23Yeah.
17:23I...
17:24I always think...
17:24like,
17:24it took me a long time
17:25to realize
17:26that our videos,
17:27I think,
17:27are an attempt
17:28to get back...
17:29to the energy
17:30of a live show.
17:30Absolutely.
17:30It's a weird way
17:31of doing it
17:32but it's like
17:32when you're singing
17:33on stage...
17:34the people in the audience,
17:35their heartbeats
17:36literally line up
17:37with the heartbeat
17:38of the singer.
17:38Yeah.
17:39like,
17:39unconsciously
17:40and of course,
17:41you know,
17:42without them even realizing it
17:43and you know...
17:44saline levels
17:44of people in the audience
17:45all co-regulate.
17:46Like,
17:46it's a very weird
17:48physical...
17:49spiritual experience
17:50that just doesn't happen
17:52when you play guitar.
17:54to a camera.
17:55Right.
17:55Right?
17:55So if you want
17:56to connect to people
17:57through a...
17:59a digital device
18:00just playing the song
18:02won't do the same thing.
18:04It may still be
18:04a beautiful song.
18:05It may still like
18:06change that person's life
18:07but in a different way
18:08and we've...
18:09been attempting
18:10to make these experiences
18:11that even through
18:13you know,
18:13watching on a...
18:14phone or laptop
18:15or whatever
18:15give you a sense
18:16of wonder
18:17and joy
18:18and...
18:19and connection
18:21that reminds me
18:23at least
18:23of that sense.
18:24of sort of curiosity
18:25and wonder
18:25that you feel
18:26at a rock show.
18:27That's what
18:27the physical record
18:28is about too.
18:29it's like
18:29all of the songs
18:30on this here
18:31double album
18:32are available.
18:34streaming
18:34for next to free.
18:36Yeah.
18:36You know what I mean?
18:37Like,
18:38this is not...
18:39the most convenient way
18:40to listen to music.
18:41So,
18:42we knew that...
18:44anybody buying
18:44this record
18:45was buying it
18:46to have a thing
18:47to touch
18:48and to feel.
18:49and to be connected
18:49to.
18:50And so,
18:50why not give them
18:51like a sculpture?
18:54a piece of magic.
18:54Like,
18:55the whole point
18:56of music
18:57to me...
18:59is summed up
18:59in this album title
19:00The Adjacent Possible.
19:02Right?
19:02Is that you put...
19:04two things together
19:04and out pops
19:06a third thing
19:07you never could have...
19:09you never could have
19:09predicted or imagined.
19:11Right?
19:11Like,
19:11you combine these things
19:12and then...
19:14adjacent to that
19:14there's all these
19:15new possibilities.
19:16Well,
19:16you can also just take
19:17a few little...
19:19sheets,
19:19ribs of paper
19:20and a reflective surface
19:22and all of a sudden
19:23you have a...
19:24three-dimensional orb
19:25floating in space
19:26where it just shouldn't be.
19:28That's magic.
19:28I love that.
19:29That's magic.
19:30And that's what...
19:30I mean,
19:30I really do think...
19:31I don't know
19:32what the future of...
19:34technology is
19:35but I know
19:35that the future of music
19:36is always going to be
19:37about that connection.
19:38Like,
19:38there's no...
19:39it doesn't matter
19:39how it's made
19:40or how it's distributed
19:41because it's only valuable to us.
19:44if it has that sense of connection.
19:45I give you a B+.
19:46I give you an A-.
19:48You're a...
19:49terrible interview.
19:49Let's try it again someday.
19:50All right.
19:51Great.
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