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02:38Welcome to Beyond the Tape.
02:39I'm your host, Mark Basant.
02:40Welcome to your viewers across Trinidad and Tobago.
02:43And, of course, our global viewers and our brothers and sisters in the Isle of Grenada.
02:48It's Friday, of course.
02:50And, you know, some very sad news to convey.
02:54Very early on in the program, two persons, you know, home invasions are becoming an issue again.
03:01And, you know, this morning in the Canupia area, David Lubin was found by relatives.
03:08Apparently, hands tied behind his back.
03:10Marks of violence about his body.
03:12He was killed.
03:13Police believe in what may be a home invasion.
03:17And then, I think on Tuesday evening, a gentleman by the name of Vernon Gishard.
03:23Apparently, he saw some persons.
03:26This is Mr. Gishard here at his business place, at his home cameras, going into his premises.
03:35And he later left his business, went to the premises, where he saw the dogs poisoned.
03:43And, of course, he entered.
03:45And, apparently, he was killed by the intruders.
03:48And, you know, it's a very concerning situation going forward.
03:53And today, of course, we hope, with the assistance of my co-host, Mr. Darren Carmichael from Crime Stoppers, we can shed a little more light about home invasions and give people some good advice on what to do and what not to do in certain situations.
04:09Definitely, definitely, definitely, we'll be able to do that.
04:11It's really sad when people lose their lives, especially, in our view, something that could be avoidable.
04:17And we're really here to arm citizens with the right information, the right approaches in circumstances such as those.
04:26Yeah, and I think, you know, it has been a growing concern over the last year, year and a half.
04:32The government has given, you know, some dedication to that, looking into that, of course.
04:39The standing wrong legislation, of course, kind of related to that in some aspect.
04:43And I know a man of your caliber, obviously, will have, you know, some good advice to give people.
04:49You know, as we spoke before the show began, about the fact that even if you were seeing somebody entering your premises and you are not there, you should at least alert the police first before you even venture there, yes?
05:04Yes, well, and a lot of the things that I do over the years is encourage, we build resilience among communities.
05:10And part of that is sharing information, giving them guidance in terms of how to operate in scenarios.
05:16And, you know, of course, anyone seeing or identifying persons on, I mean, we bring those cameras to your palm of your hand, basically.
05:26So he would have observed the persons entering the premises.
05:29And in that vein, of course, the initial thing to do would be to alert the police.
05:35Yes.
05:35Right?
05:36Give them your address and so on and alert the police.
05:39The other thing we would encourage persons to do, if that is the case, most people have WhatsApp chat groups with the communities that we've asked them to establish.
05:46So I would want them to share the information, probably share what the suspects look like, what vehicles look like, and so on, whatever you can extract from the video footage, and share that within your group.
05:57So even your immediate neighbors will know to pull your children inside, lock your doors, and at least observe who is going where and so on.
06:05There are some instances we ask persons to raise an alarm with the use of the air horn.
06:11So that would have at least discouraged the persons from continuing the act, the threat.
06:17All right?
06:17But under no circumstance, we would encourage persons to leave the safety of your office, your car, somewhere, and come out or come in to confront persons.
06:29He may have felt that they would have left already, but still, you don't venture further.
06:34Even if you didn't have cameras, and one of the things you're accustomed to is your dogs running at you.
06:40You know, once you have dogs, once you pull up, they run at you and come at you.
06:44If for some reason you have dogs or a dog and you don't see that activity, when you get to your gate, you have to be wary.
06:51You have to approach your home with some caution, some level of caution.
06:54Because suspicious activity is not only the presence of the unusual, like the suspicious, you know, person or the character, the vehicle, the activity of individuals and so on.
07:07Yes, that is suspicious activity.
07:09But suspicious in our teachings also speak to the absence of the usual.
07:14Yes.
07:15Simply means if your dog or custom come in and they're not there, that is suspicious.
07:20If you're accustomed, if you see mommy, car is in the garage with no lights on and it's 6 o'clock, 8 o'clock at night, and that's unusual for her, then you have to approach that.
07:30You know, it could be a medical emergency, but as well it could be some kind of hostage situation or some home invasion and so on.
07:37So we really have to approach these things very, very cautiously until we're certain what we're dealing with.
07:42Yeah, and in this instance, unfortunately, Mr. Fishhards, both dogs were poisoned.
07:48But I want to ask you a question.
07:50What do you think or why do you think this fad has become so commonplace now over the last year or two years where we are seeing a proliferation of home invasions?
08:01We're seeing certain patterns emerging, and that Komunupia area over the last couple of months has been a very troubling area, not just for home invasions, but for homicides, kidnappings, et cetera, et cetera.
08:13I don't want to come across initially in my first statement as victim blaming.
08:17Yeah.
08:18But COVID have generated a lot of homegrown businesses.
08:22People stay from their home, and they go and do sales.
08:27They bring back the panel van with all their thing and the cash, and they keep it there.
08:32They advertise certain kind of things.
08:33Some people open little mom-and-pop shops and, you know, green grocers.
08:37So persons who are watching the activity taking place, whether it's in and around or passing through, they will understand that there is cash in that premise or cash coming back to the premises at night.
08:48So to some extent, they're being targeted because of the thriving enterprise that is taking place.
08:55All right?
08:56And, of course, this is not to discourage entrepreneurial spirits and so on.
09:00But you have to be wary in terms of people looking in at you, customers coming to you, whether it's food they're coming to pick up, whether it's something you're doing for them, whether it's, you know, that type of thing.
09:09So that is one of the prime reasons why people would target you.
09:13But, of course, the home invasion, when you understand what home invasion is, if I have a minute, I'll explain that, right?
09:20So home invasion is not a crime.
09:22Of course, the crime is not on the books of Trinidad and Tobago, right?
09:25So it's robbery.
09:26In other words, taking something from someone, using violence as the means.
09:30But they come into your home and doing it.
09:32So what the home invader is telling all of us in no uncertain terms is that I am prepared to come into your home and violently take what you have.
09:42That's what the home invasion is, you know.
09:44They are making the distinct or the rationalization to come into your home to take what you have violently, right?
09:52So when you understand that, you have to look seriously at how can I prevent it.
09:58And you prevent it if you're already inside and you're safe, then you look at your doors, your locks, your windows.
10:04You don't come out if somebody knocks on your door.
10:06If you're not expecting a package from DHL or anything looking like a delivery, don't go outside, you know.
10:11Try to find a way to keep those persons from coming in, right?
10:15Because the home invader will come in several ways.
10:17They will pretend under the guise of WASA, TNTech, something, something, and have you opened your door.
10:23There are surveys going on and different things that are happening.
10:26Digicel flow, you know, Amplia, they come in green jerseys and red jerseys and yellow jerseys.
10:32And we can't take it for granted.
10:33Even the TNTech, we've had places where people, imposter, servicemen and so on.
10:38They've had to send out a number of releases about that.
10:40So we want people to first and foremost, don't open up your doors for any reason.
10:44Second way they do it is when you're coming in.
10:46So you're opening your gate, you have those automatic gates.
10:49Some of you come out and slide this big heavy gate.
10:51And then you have to drive your car in.
10:52And then you have to come back to lock the gate.
10:54In that space of time, people who may have followed you from the bank or wherever, who want work or whatever, they rush in, right?
11:01And, I mean, a few seconds that would happen and you have no way to deal with that, right?
11:05And then the other way we see what's happening, they come in droves of eight and ten people.
11:09And they're literally barging and, you know, rushing and kicked down your door, that type of thing.
11:14So you have those other ways and so on.
11:15And, of course, they can find themselves into your premises through a back door or some window while they're not there, as in the case of the gentleman, and they attack you when they get home.
11:27All right?
11:27So there are several ways in which you will come, and we just need to find a way to try to prevent as many of those as possible.
11:33So we talk about situational awareness.
11:35When you're coming home, look around, look to see if you're being followed, if there's a vehicle parked up close to you, and so on.
11:41It takes a few seconds for people to come up on you.
11:44All right?
11:44So that's something that we need to encourage persons to look up for.
11:47Everyone that is listening will take heed to those precautions.
11:51We're going to take a look now at our headlines.
12:27All right.
12:29Those are some of the headlines over the last 24 hours.
12:33And, of course, we were talking about home invasions and persons, of course, who go out to make purchases or purchase a vehicle.
12:42And we had an instance, actually, where a police officer went to a business place with some cash to purchase a vehicle in the Vistabella area sometime this morning.
12:55And guess what?
12:57Some daring individuals attempted to, of course, accost the officer while he was on the premises to steal the money from him.
13:08And the police officers who were very close by got to the location and they arrested three suspects in this particular matter.
13:16So that's the money there that they attempted to take from the police officer.
13:22And, of course, a unit was nearby in the Vistabella area.
13:26We want to say thanks to those officers who responded quite quickly to that call made by perhaps, you know, a business person or somebody who would have seen.
13:36So we're seeing that as you talked about that, you know, somebody had to know that I guess he was coming to make a purchase of some sort.
13:42So sometimes you have to be careful, innocent, you might tell somebody something.
13:46I don't know what we need to say again because, I mean, this has been aired in the public.
13:50We've had a lot of advice.
13:51The police has released numerous documents and so on on their Facebook pages and so on.
13:56In terms of, I mean, in fact, there are some divisions that actually say come to the police station.
14:00We welcome you to come and do the transaction there.
14:02But people still do what they need to do.
14:04And the reality is that, you know, if you're so eager to buy something or so eager to sell something, it's enticing, you know, hey, I'll meet you here.
14:12And what they do, they sometimes change their mind on you.
14:15So you may have an arrangement to meet at so-and-so police station at a particular time.
14:19And when that time approaches, the person will call you and say, listen, hey, I've been tied up.
14:24I'm at UE now.
14:25You know, I may not be able to make it again unless you could come to UE.
14:29You see how they do it?
14:29So once you decide, okay, well, we had planned to meet and we're in agreement, what does that switch between here and so-and-so?
14:38And it's in that move and that changing, you know, they get your buy-in, basically.
14:43And that is where they will pounce because, of course, it's more vulnerable for them to do that.
14:47So you have to be careful about people switching up on you and changing locations, trying to make it sound, you know, and so on.
14:53And there are some people who say, look, strength in numbers.
14:55Let me take my big brother or my partner from the gym, right?
14:58But I'm telling you, 400 pounds, bench pressing, 600, you know, whatever.
15:03You can't withstand an automatic weapon, right?
15:05You can't withstand an AR or something.
15:07Or three or four men on demand.
15:07So I'm saying those people who feel that strength is in numbers, four men in a car, they will rob the four men and take the car, right?
15:14Because these criminals are coming prepared for you, all right?
15:17And, of course, you don't want to put yourself in that position.
15:20So, you know, we're encouraging people, whether it's Facebook, Marketplace or wherever, you want to be certain not to put yourself at risk.
15:26Don't take those chances to try to get something sold, especially to some stranger that is online.
15:31All right.
15:32Some good advice.
15:33So, we have a video that we got on social media.
15:40Of course, I know the police will be looking into this involving several men.
15:44They don't show their faces, but if you look at it, they're brandishing firearms, high-powered weapons, handguns, etc.
15:53Of course, you know, making threats to individuals, you know, that they're coming for, and so on.
16:01And you see, Mr. Carmichael, quite heavy firepower in some cases there, using, you know, ER-15s and so on, as well as handguns in that video.
16:11Yeah.
16:13Cause for concern, yes?
16:14It always is.
16:15I mean, the police have acknowledged the fact that there are a lot of firearms out there still in the hands of criminals and would-be criminals.
16:21There are some people who feel that they need it for their own protection based on their lifestyle and so on.
16:27But in reality, it's illegal, no matter how you choose it.
16:30You know, we've, as crime stoppers, we've encouraged persons to call in information about guns, the perpetrators of crimes, and so on.
16:38And we offer reward for doing so.
16:40So, we encourage persons, anyone who may have information about where these miscreants are, where these criminals operate, where the firearms are, where they're being buried, or whatever it might be, to please call in crime stoppers.
16:51It's 800-TIPS, 800-8477.
16:54And the tagline is basically, we don't need to know who you are, all we need is your information.
16:58And of course, you get an opportunity to get a sizable reward, up to $10,000 paid for information.
17:04Right.
17:05That, I remember during the state of emergency, they did have a crime stoppers running a reward system.
17:11Yeah.
17:11In tandem with the TTPS, that is still ongoing.
17:14So, we always operate, I mean, the TTPS are the ones who respond to crime stoppers tips.
17:18Right.
17:18So, crime stoppers is the mechanism to make that bridge with the information you may have on the police.
17:24We pass it off, and they do the investigations.
17:26And they have had a lot of success in those areas, and continue to have.
17:31So, we encourage persons who have information, please call into the program with that information.
17:36Your information, you remain totally anonymous.
17:39All the platforms, whether it's the app, the P3 app, 800-TIPS, the hotline, or the website, crime stoppers, TT.com.
17:46So, each one of these platforms have been engineered with your safety in mind, with anonymity in mind as well.
17:53So, there's no way to know who you are.
17:55All right.
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20:59I'm your host, Mark Bussan, joined today by Darren Carmichael from the Crime Stoppers.
21:05And, of course, you know, we're talking about home invasions and so on.
21:11I see you have some paraphernalia here on the table there.
21:14If you just quickly want to...
21:16Quickly, well, we always advocate for the use of the air horn, all right?
21:19And this is when you say the air horn is what we talk about.
21:21And, of course, there's a pocket size for your handbags and so on.
21:25We always encourage communities to get into having it
21:28because it is an easy way for people to raise an alarm, all right?
21:32So something is happening.
21:32You blow the air horn.
21:33It's a very distinct sound.
21:35And, therefore, people are able to hear it.
21:38And they have response drills and so on in place.
21:40In most communities, to be able to understand that there's a threat,
21:43again, pull your children inside, lock your doors, look out,
21:46look at your chat and see what's going on and so on.
21:48So we encourage persons to get...
21:50Yeah, they travel for quite a long distance.
21:52And it's very loud if you...
21:53Especially in the dead of night when it's quiet.
21:55That's correct.
21:55That's correct.
21:56Yep.
21:56All right, so we encourage persons to get that.
21:58So I just wanted to show persons who have never probably seen one
22:00that is what it looks like, you know?
22:01It looks...
22:02Yeah.
22:03Good stuff.
22:04So we had an incident in the Laramene area, I think, over the last two days.
22:14A beating captured on the highway.
22:16Several individuals attacking a gentleman in the roadway near the Price Mart area.
22:25I understand.
22:25And I know police are looking for information.
22:29He was struck by a vehicle even trying to evade these three individuals,
22:33a woman, and two males.
22:35You know, this is actually on social media.
22:38He struck...
22:39He crosses the median there.
22:42And for quite a while, Mr. Carmichael, you're not seeing him.
22:47Right.
22:48But later in the video, when that vehicle, that black vehicle leaves,
22:54you would see him actually...
22:55He's on the ground.
22:56There he is.
22:57And you actually see him.
22:58He's being struck several other times there
23:00before that vehicle is able to kind of evade the situation there.
23:06See, he's lying on the ground there, the vehicle.
23:09And they continue to...
23:11Rain blows on him before somebody had to basically tell him to stop.
23:15Right.
23:15So, definitely, these are not scenes we like to see.
23:19And people could have been hurt even worse than this
23:21because he barely escaped being struck by a vehicle.
23:25Yeah, yeah.
23:25Oncoming traffic.
23:26You know, these things, I mean, they have...
23:28Clearly, there's a genesis and a story to...
23:31A backline story to it.
23:32Hopefully, the police would have the evidence in terms of the footage.
23:35And they can then make arrests or make inquiries and so on more effectively.
23:40I mean, the tail is in the tape.
23:41You can't escape...
23:42You know, they can't escape the brutality that takes place there.
23:44But people have to understand that even if that were, let's say, a bandit, a criminal,
23:49you know, you have to bear in mind that, you know,
23:53there's only so much we can do or one can do to take the law into their own hands.
23:58Any one of those blows could have been a fatal one to the head.
24:02And all of a sudden, all four of them would have been up on manslaughter or murder charges.
24:07Right?
24:07So, we have to be careful.
24:08In the heat of the moment, we want to do something.
24:10Or we want to take action.
24:11Or we want to participate in a beating.
24:14And, you know, those things could have severe consequences.
24:17Even now, the person could suffer some serious concussion.
24:20Yeah.
24:21And which could still be fatal.
24:22Right?
24:22So, we have to be careful.
24:24I mean, I know you may want to get involved and partake.
24:26You can, in the heat of the moment, take a particular action.
24:29But all of those things have consequences.
24:31All right?
24:32And that's something we need to be very wary of.
24:34Well said.
24:35So, we also have a video where police were attempting to make an arrest.
24:40And it seemed that there was, you know, some kind of obstruction,
24:44a possible assault and resisting arrest situation here captured over the last couple of days.
24:51So, you're seeing a number of persons that I want to believe, perhaps, plain clothes officers involved in this exercise here.
25:05So, there is, that appears to be an officer there with the hat, with his firearm in his hand.
25:19And I guess some attempt was made by a civilian in some measure to accost him.
25:25So, you're seeing somebody has actually been detained.
25:33Somebody has actually been detained.
25:34And been taken away by the police officers.
25:38And then there are some other civilians that come around and trying to, of course,
25:42and from what I am seeing, oppose the police officers while they are attempting to finish the arrest.
25:48Yeah.
25:48And, of course, we know, Mr. Carmichael, you know, there are certain things that you can and cannot do as a civilian when an arrest is taking place.
25:58Yes?
25:58Yes, certainly.
25:59I mean, you know, you see those things far too often.
26:03But I think a lot has to do with the police understanding their powers and being very efficient where that is concerned.
26:10You know, one of the things that is a great aid, and I'll just digress here into body-worn cameras.
26:15You know, in spite of what one wants to say or who is recording, the police wearing body-worn cameras will be in a position to feel a bit more confident,
26:24a bit more, you know, empowered in terms of what they're doing because this is the, once I'm doing what I'm supposed to do, this is my protection.
26:31Right?
26:31And a lot of, you know, a lot of the times we see persons without body-worn and you see one side of the story.
26:36Or you only see a particular point when it would have escalated beyond a particular, you know, stage and so on.
26:41So, you know, it's important to, one, go into situations prepared.
26:45Right?
26:46Particularly if you feel they may be outnumbered or, you know, the thing with a mob is that they have a particular focus.
26:54Right?
26:55All of them have the same intention.
26:57And one, two, five, ten people in a mob with a particular set of ideologies, if you want to call it that, could be very deadly.
27:07All right?
27:07And police need to be aware of those things.
27:09And I would suggest come properly prepared when you're effecting arrests.
27:13There's no simple arrest, as you would see from some of these situations.
27:16It may be female, but you'll have a lot of people putting themselves, you know, grand charging, so to speak, and so on.
27:22All right?
27:23But then there are times as well that you'll see some very efficient officers come, we call no-nonsense kind of people.
27:28And they're very assertive and very, you know, things.
27:31So people don't even bother to come to try to engage.
27:34Right?
27:34So it has to be to find that balance because it's very easy with a drone firearm to, you know, things may get out of hand.
27:42All right?
27:43So that's important to look at.
27:44Yeah, and I think ASP said yesterday, where we had shown another video, that sometimes people tend to say things that are not actually being conveyed in the video.
27:52Yeah, yeah.
27:53You know, and I'm not trying to defend anybody here, any police officer or civilian, but it's just the reality.
27:58At times, there's a, there's a, you know, embellishment or the language that you use might not necessarily convey what is actually transpiring before your eyes.
28:07That's correct.
28:07That's correct.
28:08All right.
28:08So it's something we need to do.
28:09But again, I mean, the police, police have sufficient training, you know, to know that, that words shouldn't, you know, bring, bring on or preempt a particular kind of action.
28:19All of that is part of their psych training and so on to make sure they could, you know, handle many situations, much like the army and everybody else who, you know, who sometimes are at the bottom of a lot of criticism, violent thing, you know, obscene language, you name it.
28:34Right. But those things shouldn't get into your psyche to the extent where you act inappropriately or respond to those things.
28:41Yeah. And as you pointed out, right.
28:43And it's not just the police. It's all manner of security.
28:46Yes.
28:46Private security, estate constables, everybody need to have the same training because they carry firearms as well.
28:52And they can't be a normal, you know, that's why obscene language would have been to the annoyance of persons are wrong.
28:58Because at the end of the day, the individual, meaning the police, is not really who it's, who it's geared to protect.
29:03So it's to the annoyance of persons are wrong.
29:06I know, but there's another charge that was brought up with another kind of language that was being used other than obscene language to cater for those times.
29:13So I'm not a police officer, but I know that those are things that we always have to look at.
29:18You see, on that note, take a break.
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31:13Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
31:30I'm your host, Mark Bassan, joined today by Darren Carmichael from the Crime Stoppers.
31:35And of course, your favorite segment, Voice of the People in San Juan.
31:40Let's go.
31:40Let's go.
31:43What in your estimation we could do, in a more general sense, are talking here about reducing crime.
32:14Crime, hmm.
32:16Crime is a touchy situation, you know, because it's at different levels of crime.
32:24And if one level get into the next level, go and try to, you know that kind of way?
32:29Like, to me, yeah, we had to do this thing all over again.
32:33Like, I don't mean to take your time, but like traffic, right?
32:35Let me say I'm speeding.
32:37Speeding is supposed to be a criminal offense, not just a ticketable offense.
32:41Because when you're speeding, you could kill somebody, but not by choice, like with a gun.
32:45You could choose who you want to kill with a gun, and you're jailing somebody for a gun.
32:48And a gun is a weapon by a car.
32:50You're not choosing who you're killing.
32:52You could kill women, you could kill children by speeding.
32:54That's supposed to be an arrestable offense, if you understand.
32:57So the whole law system has to do over in a way where people know this thing's serious.
33:02Young man could come back in, a lot of serious, you know, according to the offense.
33:07You step up the, you know, the penalty, and maybe they could take it a little more serious.
33:12Good point, good point, Jimmy.
33:13What do you do to ensure your personal safety and your family's safety?
33:17No, well, um, no safety now again is a such a situation because the police don't be there at all times.
33:24So, if you clearly blame a man for defending himself or his family, you know, if you understand what I'm saying.
33:30But, um, to say, when it comes to safety, I just try to live good with my neighbors, try to be, you know, have a lot of respect for the fellow man, and let me see how far they can carry it, you know.
33:39In your community, how does crime affect your community that you live in?
33:43Now, where I live in, um, I mean, it's a crime in all communities.
33:46I wouldn't say no, but to a level, you know, but in my community, where I live, I live in San Juan, La Venture, February area, I might have a little one-one disturbances, but other than that, it's all about, as I say, how we live as a community.
33:59Once we live in good and everybody is showing that one another respect, it won't really a crime.
34:03So, I wouldn't say my community has any type of crime.
34:05How would you say you could reduce...
34:08Talk to me.
34:09Accept my point.
34:12Yeah.
34:13What do you think we could do to reduce the crime in those communities affected by crime?
34:18What are some of your suggestions?
34:22Back to the original topic, influence, because when they check crime, who influencing the crime, or who getting influenced by the elements?
34:29If you understand what I'm saying, it's all come back to the youth, man.
34:32They have to focus on the young, because there are big men like me and you, we can go and snatch nobody's thing or take nobody's thing.
34:38If you understand what I'm saying, it's more youth, you have to work on the youth, man.
34:43Get them more time, try with them a little more, get them more effort, you know?
34:47And you talk about crime on the youth, right?
34:50What do you think makes young people gravitate towards crime?
34:55Lack of opportunity.
34:57Because it's going to have programs here and there, and I say, you know, all right, thanks.
35:01It's going to have programs here and there, but sometimes you don't know if I feel literate enough, and sometimes I'm shy to not be able to document or to do certain things.
35:13So a man doesn't even go and bother with that, you never know a man, you know, self-esteem, you never know.
35:19So some people, they might not be literate enough to go and look into these things for themselves, and nobody come in and knock your door and say, hey, young man, come and go, if you understand what I'm saying.
35:28So again, it still comes down to who's trying and who's not trying, the legs, and who work better for themselves, and who do work better for themselves.
35:35Last question.
35:37What age do you think somebody should be trying for a crime, especially if somebody young commits a crime?
35:43What is your age?
35:44Between me and you, from the time I reached out to an age, 14, 15.
35:4916, 16, you already know what's going on, but at the same time, them is the ages where you could be influenced negatively without knowing the full consequence of the action.
35:57So it comes like you could still be a victim or influence, but then when you reach a certain age, let me say 17, 18, you're big enough to know, hey, I shouldn't do this, I shouldn't do that.
36:06If you understand what I'm saying.
36:07So to me, once we talk in crime or what type of crime, violent crime, according to the crime, yeah, you're the face where you're the face.
36:17Thanks a lot, brother.
36:18Yeah, man.
36:19Respect.
36:19Yeah, man.
36:20Thanks.
36:27Voice of the people, Mr. Carmichael, well articulated by the...
36:32Yeah, he spoke well.
36:34I think he spoke well, and he had his view, and of course, his view I think is shared by many, including myself to some extent.
36:41But the youth today, you know, I think some of them being influenced even younger.
36:47Yeah.
36:47Right?
36:47With the advent of technology and so on, a lot of them are seeing things, they're a little bit more, you know, knowledgeable to some extent than a 13 or 14-year-old would have been.
36:57It's as early as 8, 9, and 10 now.
37:00Yeah.
37:00You know, so, you know, that is one of the biggest problems, and of course, the absence of a father figure, a lot of people gravitate to the gangs who treat them like their own kind of thing.
37:09So there are a number of reasons why crime would exist how it is.
37:13And, you know, he said something there in terms of where he lives and no crime.
37:17But everybody would say the same about where they live, and it's how they live, and so on.
37:22Right?
37:22So we have to always look at, to a stranger coming into an area, they might see it as a crime or potential crime area.
37:30And I have asked persons, in teaching personal security all through my walk of life, it's really about there is no one place.
37:39Right?
37:40It doesn't matter where you find yourself, whether it's a high-end area, a middle area, a low-end area, whatever you want to call it.
37:46The point is, the crime could exist, it could follow you there, it could take place there.
37:51So you always have to have your wits about you, wherever you go.
37:53It's about opportunity, right?
37:55Opportunity, correct.
37:55As you said, it doesn't, it could be going to a supermarket in a high-end area or going to the, you know, somewhere else in a middle area.
38:04It's almost as if criminals are driving around just looking for the next patsy.
38:08Right?
38:09And that's basically what it is, you know.
38:11Motive plus opportunity equals crime.
38:15And once the criminals, how they have the mindset, the motive, whatever it is to commit it, they have the asset, the means, the will to do it.
38:22Right?
38:23And if you present yourself, whether you're wearing gold chains, whether you're wearing things, whether you're exposing cash, whether you're parking, you're on your phone and you're vulnerable,
38:31sometimes we create these scenarios that the criminals will always find to exploit.
38:37Right?
38:37But that's a very good segment in terms of getting the public's view in terms of what they feel and how they feel.
38:42Certainly, certainly.
38:43And we'll continue to go around the country, trying to get more opinions, more views about what persons feel can be done to improve the safety and security around Trinidad and Tobago.
38:56Of course, the number is to call 623-1711, extensions, 1996 and 1997.
39:02Hope to take some of your calls.
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42:01Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
42:02I'm your host, Mark Bussan, joined today by Darren Carmichael from Crime Stoppers.
42:06And, you know, as we approach the weekend, we always tell people to be, you know, to exercise caution on the nation's roadways.
42:13And we had a horrific accident along the Point Forte Highway sometime last night.
42:21My colleagues, we were not able to find out if anybody was hurt in this accident.
42:27But, it seems from the vehicle, it's empty, and I suppose the person or persons were taken to the hospital for treatment.
42:39And the car is smashed up, you know, and this is the driver's side of it here.
42:46And we were hopeful that anybody that was in that vehicle is alive and, of course, being treated and will make a full recovery, Mr. Carmichael.
42:55Yeah, well, I mean, it's unfortunate.
42:56I mean, there have been a lot of activity in terms of road safety.
43:00It never stops.
43:02And especially when you have a new highway and the road is fairly new.
43:05Right, so a lot of people who may be venturing there for the first time need to be wary, need to be cautious.
43:11I know that the road traffic persons would normally ensure that curves and bends and all these different, you know, things are done in a particular way.
43:20But they do it for a particular speed.
43:22Yes.
43:23Which is 100 miles, 100 kilometers per hour.
43:26But when you go beyond that, then you find that the turns and the curves come faster, you know.
43:32And, of course, there's not enough braking time in most instances.
43:34So people need to always exercise caution.
43:36They can't impress that enough.
43:39You know, you try to be strict with the penalties and there was some pushback there, of course.
43:43So you want to find a balance, right.
43:45I think any road activity, any road that could be avoided.
43:49Yeah.
43:49When you look at the damage on that vehicle there particularly.
43:52Yeah.
43:52You know, that could have been avoided, I'm sure.
43:54Most definitely.
43:55And we just wanted to put up these photos of these two persons.
44:00The Children's Authority are asking your assistance in locating Marianne Wilson, 15 years, last seen in the Mova area.
44:08Of course, anyone with information regarding her whereabouts should contact the authorities at 996 or the police at 999.
44:16And we also have Christina Cato, 17 years, last seen in the Canopia area.
44:22Anyone with information, of course, to contact the authorities at 996 or the police at 999.
44:29And I imagine sometimes crime stoppers would just cause...
44:32Well, certainly, you know, there are occasions when neighbours are observant enough.
44:36Yeah.
44:36And, you know, just in the event that the person isn't missing, but they may be housed or shocked up somewhere with some, maybe a junior.
44:44I mean, the ages would speak sometimes with somebody older and so on.
44:48Communities need to come forward, do the right thing.
44:51If you identify somebody is missing or somebody may be underage and you recognise that they are housed in a particular environment and so on, it could be against their will.
45:00It could be partially, you know, it may have started off willingly, but it certainly ended up being kept beyond the weekend or beyond the period may be against their will.
45:09So we want persons to come forward, report that kind of activity, that kind of observation.
45:14Again, you can do it anonymously through Crime Stopper Program.
45:17All right.
45:17I think we have a caller on the line.
45:19Caller, good evening.
45:22Good evening, caller.
45:27Caller, are you there?
45:29All right.
45:29I think we might have lost a caller.
45:31Okay.
45:32Maybe you can try back.
45:34623-1711 Extensions, 1996 and 1997.
45:38And I know you just wanted to quickly...
45:41Hello, good day, caller.
45:44Caller, are you there?
45:47I don't know if you are hearing me.
45:48Yes.
45:49Are you hearing me?
45:49Yes, go ahead.
45:50I'm now hearing you.
45:51I'm not hearing you or something as well.
45:53Go ahead.
45:54I'm hearing you.
45:57We're hearing you, caller.
46:02All right.
46:03I think he left.
46:05All right.
46:06So I know you wanted to just bring about some excuses when it comes to stolen items.
46:11Yeah.
46:11So what we've been identifying, I mean, over the years, on a continuous basis, I mean,
46:16long ago you used to see the police in a station on the conference table or something
46:20where there's stolen items, asking persons to come in and identify and so on.
46:24But one of the root causes of that is that persons in your home, as we speak, are not marking
46:31or documenting the serial numbers of the items.
46:34So they can tell the police, my 46-inch Sony television flat screen is stolen.
46:39But the police sort of, do you have any markings, any identifiers?
46:42That if in case it is found, we can say that without certainty that that is yours.
46:47And oftentimes, they don't have the receipt or the bill or something that may have had
46:51the serial number on it.
46:52And therefore, we ask in persons now, when they have the time, before something onto what
46:56happens, please take the moment, go through your appliances, your computer, your laptop,
47:03your whatever it might be, document serial numbers, make and model and so on, and keep
47:07that safely.
47:08Now, safely could be simply typing it down on a word or an Excel spreadsheet, name of
47:14item, description, serial number, whatever other markings you might want to put separately.
47:19And of course, we can email that to yourself in cyberspace because they will steal the laptop
47:24where it's saved on the hard drive.
47:26Yes.
47:26Good?
47:27So if you email it to yourself, you can always go back if something were to happen to that
47:30email and share that with the police.
47:32That would prevent a lot of times what is happening now is that the police find and recover things
47:37in various areas where fences operate and so on, and they have no owners.
47:43So therefore, what might have been a serious robbery, home invasion, murder with items stolen
47:48ends up being a misdemeanor kind of slap on your wrist, unlawful possession.
47:53That's your holy person with this thing that they can't account for.
47:56Right?
47:56So we're asking persons, be very deliberate in what you do.
48:00Document your items, document this, put markings on it and so on.
48:04And of course, that eventually builds a movement where the police are now able to do a lot more
48:10with what is the thing.
48:12And in the case of Missin Chilwein, if I could just quickly say this.
48:14One second.
48:15I think we have our caller back.
48:16Caller, good evening.
48:19Good evening, caller.
48:20Go ahead.
48:22Caller, are you hearing us?
48:26All right.
48:26So I think we are having some issues with this particular caller because this is the second time.
48:31And he's not hearing us.
48:33So yeah, go ahead.
48:33So the other thing I would tell people quickly is like also in the line of getting your markings
48:38and so on, if you were to go to your cell phone, to the dial pad and dial star number
48:43sign, zero six number sign.
48:45I repeat, star number sign, zero six number sign.
48:49Something like this would come.
48:50I'll flash it quickly.
48:51Some people might screenshot it and see my, right?
48:54So the reality is that this becomes your IMEI number.
49:00This is how you get it.
49:01And the IMEI number is your unique identifier for your device.
49:05All right.
49:06And that is really what the police would need to launch investigations to, you know, locate
49:10people like missing persons and so on.
49:12So it's important that we get that and we have it and we save it well in advance of somebody
49:17going missing or you have to report them.
49:19Just repeat that again.
49:20So the number is star number sign, go to the dial pad, dial star number sign, zero six number
49:26sign and this barcode looking thing will come up.
49:30And in there you will have your IMEI number.
49:32If you have two SIMs, an eSIM, you will see all of that information there.
49:35I want you to document that, screenshot it, email it to yourself in cyberspace, husband,
49:41wives, exchange and so on.
49:43And you're able to at least have that information of your loved one if something would ever happen.
49:47All right.
49:48Because a lot of the times we don't keep the invoice when you buy a phone or we don't
49:53keep those things.
49:54So, you know, after two and three years.
49:55So certainly something you need to keep top of mind.
49:58Yes.
49:58Certainly some good advice there for those who might not have known about that.
50:02And I just want to remind persons who are still calling about FUL, you know, FULs.
50:08Just want to remind you of the numbers to call the department at 627-5217, extensions 12410,
50:1612411 and 12412.
50:21All right.
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53:27Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
53:41I'm your host, Mark Wissand, joined today by Darren Carmichael from CrimeStoppers.
53:44And you know, we just have a couple of minutes left, and I know you have a couple of things you would want to share with us before we leave.
53:50Yeah. All right. Well, I mean, really, it's just really to encourage persons, wherever you are, to help yourself in terms of helping set up neighborhood watch groups around the country.
54:00A lot of the communities have been coming to me, and we've associated and helped them where we can.
54:04Even if we, it might be difficult for you to get the team together, your neighbors together, we do online sessions as well, Zoom sessions.
54:13So it's quite, you know, easy for me to come to your home to take in the information and so on, right?
54:19So we encourage persons to get in touch with us.
54:21My number is 312-2281, 312-2281, or you can do it through CrimeStoppers, tt.com.
54:29There's a portal where you can make inquiries also, or through the Trinidad and Tobago Chamber of Commerce as well.
54:34All right. They will also make the contact and get you started in terms of getting the Neighborhood Watch up and running.
54:41Neighborhood Watch really builds resilience.
54:43We ensure that persons are trained on what to look for, the way crimes operate.
54:48Much of what we would have discussed in this session here today, we talk about the air horns, we talk about the emergency crime chat.
54:55And, of course, in this crime chat, the police is prominent in there because nearly every chat that I am on,
55:00the police is making sure that the respective division and stations, they put an inspector sergeant on it
55:06because they want to get real-time the suspicious activity, the vehicles that are being shared in the chat and so on.
55:12They get that information real-time.
55:14All right. It doesn't replace a 999 call.
55:16So we want people to, you know, still call 999 or emergency with emergencies, but certainly the police become part of the chat.
55:23And that really pushes their mandate, which is to become, you know, more interactive, partner, closer with the communities and so on,
55:30so they could really help make a difference where crime is concerned.
55:33And that has been very, very effective in doing so.
55:36They also spearhead what they call station council meetings.
55:39Right. And that's critical because all stakeholders within the community, whether it's the clergy, the school teachers, the taxi drivers, you know, whatever it is,
55:46the road traffic wardens and so on, everybody come together once a month to see how the police could work smarter and better to serve all of them.
55:55Right. So they have the station council type meetings taking place.
55:58They have the police tongue meetings taking place.
55:59They have the walkabouts taking place.
56:01So the police is very active, is a very active partner within the communities and within the neighborhood watch groups.
56:08You know, and I really applaud them for doing that.
56:11I mean, it's human service being provided.
56:13And if persons become part and share the information and really build that relationship with the police,
56:19I think we're going to have a lot more people, I mean, probably not even using crime stoppers,
56:24as much as they can just call the sergeant or the inspector and share what they know.
56:28All right. So that's what we're really bringing back, that building that bridge with the police and the public and that trust back into the system.
56:35So it's working well.
56:36And of course, divisions that participate like that get good results from persons.
56:41All right. Because the criminals come from within the bowels of the community.
56:44They're being nurtured within the communities.
56:46The gangs operate within communities.
56:48And it's time the communities realize that gangs are not good for business.
56:52Gangs are not good for their livelihood.
56:53The criminal elements that are allowed to fester are the ones who are hurting them from deep within, right?
56:59So we need to get that out of the way.
57:01And of course, our program, which is the Neighborhood Crime Watch program,
57:05and of course, crime stoppers remain constant and steadfast in trying to help the communities treat with crime and criminal activity.
57:14All right. Well said, Mr. Carmichael.
57:17We certainly want to thank you for taking the time off your busy schedule to come across here.
57:23And it's always nice having you on the program from time to time to educate the public,
57:27to give the community a sense of awareness of things that they should and shouldn't do when it comes to, you know,
57:34securing their homes, their possessions, as the case may be.
57:38And that's our sound to leave you.
57:43Remember, repeat tonight at 11.30.
57:46No rerun tomorrow.
57:48Please, I urge everyone, please be safe on the nation's roadways and enjoy your weekend.
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