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02:29Welcome to Beyond the Tape. I'm your host, Mark Besson.
02:41Welcome to our viewers across Trinidad and Tobago, our global viewers, and our brothers and sisters in the Isle of Grenada.
02:48It's Thursday, and of course, I haven't seen this gentleman in a while, and I want to welcome him back.
02:54ESP Ishmael Pitt of the Northern Division. Welcome, sir. How have you been?
02:58Not too bad, Mark. How have you been? I haven't seen you in a while either.
03:01Yes, I know.
03:05I took a couple days off, you know.
03:07As we all say local parents, they're ducking mouth.
03:09No, no, no.
03:11On the country. I know you've been a busy man doing other things as well.
03:14Of course, a lot of things happening, too, with the police, the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service Social Welfare Association.
03:20Correct.
03:21Matter now on going in court and so on.
03:23I know your slate is one of those that are putting their candidates forward for the upcoming election, whenever that might be.
03:30Yeah.
03:31Because I know the next hearing is sometime in August before Justice, I forgot his name.
03:36Mr. Sipasad.
03:37Yes, Justice Sipasad.
03:38Yes, Justice Sipasad.
03:39So interesting days, of course.
03:41But apart from that, what have you been up to?
03:44Well, you are correct.
03:46I've had a lot of energies directed towards the elections.
03:52But it's back to the rigors of policing, not to say that you could ever stop.
03:59You know, it's part of you.
04:01Policing is a way of life, but in its fullest, yeah, in its fullest.
04:08So we have been seeing a tremendous amount of positives regarding our initiatives.
04:16And I'm seeing this from a national perspective.
04:19Yes, there will be pockets of incidents that will still cause some concern.
04:24And I know you are aware of an incident that took place today.
04:27Yes.
04:28And I know you will expand on it a little further into the program.
04:31But we are very, very confident that given the type of support and the type of engagement
04:39and the type of relationships that we are being able to forge, that we are truly in a good direction
04:45regarding our ability to manage crime and crime-fighting initiatives.
04:49Yeah, and I know that the police are working assiduously, of course, to arrest the problem.
04:56No pun intended.
04:57No, no pun intended, of course.
04:59But, you know, you talk about a very serious matter.
05:02And we have been speaking about this matter nearly every segment or every program that is, you know,
05:08if not yourself, good self, other officers about, you know, going to purchase a vehicle or any other kind of item.
05:15Yes.
05:16From, you know, Facebook, Marketplace, etc.
05:19Yes.
05:20And I don't know if it was the case with Mr. Rambaran.
05:23And apparently he left his home in the Orpun Gardens on Tuesday afternoon.
05:29Last scene then, Scott Rambaran, 33 years of Orpun Gardens, apparently, to purchase a vehicle.
05:37Yeah.
05:38And sadly, he was found in a vehicle in the Mausica area just around lunchtime.
05:45You see a lot of police officers and a lot of other personnel on that scene there.
05:51That's the vehicle, presumably, that he was found in.
05:56And that would have been, I think, the second homicide that would have occurred over the last 12 hours,
06:04one we will talk about a little later in the central area.
06:08Yes.
06:09Well, condolences to his family, to his friends, to his colleagues.
06:13We would never want to victim blame and to cast aspersions.
06:17Yes.
06:18You know, we can only learn from situations like this.
06:22And we will continue to ask members of the public, please, if it is that we are going to do business,
06:30we are going to conduct transactions, try and do it within a safe space.
06:35And again, this is without prejudice to this incident.
06:38It is still very much under investigation.
06:41But we need to be able to make ourselves hard targets and to ensure that when we go about into the general space,
06:51that we put ourselves in a position of advantage and not necessarily the other way around.
06:56You know, and somebody remarked to me today in our newsroom, you know, yes, he probably went with a sum of cash to purchase a vehicle.
07:06And, you know, he might have taken the cash, but why kill him?
07:08You know, why?
07:09Why?
07:10Why?
07:11You've gotten what you wanted.
07:12You know, I just, sometimes I don't understand the logic behind, you know, persons, you know, the gentleman who was kidnapped over the weekend,
07:21his girlfriend paid the ransom.
07:23Yes.
07:24Yes.
07:25They collected the ransom and yet they killed the gentleman.
07:29Yes.
07:30Same type of behavior.
07:31So we are seeing a moving away from what we would call morals and values and all these things that we have grown to know and to be part of and what is part of us.
07:45And we always would lament regarding social control and persons often just view it from the perspective of police officers being able to come in and arrest.
07:55But what about the issue of something being right and something being wrong?
08:00Yes.
08:01And once it is that we are able to inculcate within our children, within the next generation, that right and wrong issue, it's not just about whether you're going to get caught,
08:10but it's about understanding that there's value, there's value to life, there's value to doing things the right way.
08:16And you would always want to be someone who would want to move away from doing something wrong in the first place.
08:21And what brings that to bear is upbringing within the home, within the community, the churches, the masjids, the mosques, the temples, you know.
08:32It is very important that we understand the values of morals.
08:37So it's not a case of if I'm going to get caught.
08:41It's a case of understanding that there are things that you just don't do.
08:45Yeah.
08:46You know, it's really sad.
08:47As you said, you want to encourage persons, obviously, if you're going to purchase something or sell something, don't go and meet in a location that you're unfamiliar with.
08:58Yeah.
08:59You know, make sure you know, you don't know these people to begin with.
09:02You might have been speaking to them over the phone for a couple of, on a couple of occasions.
09:06Yes.
09:07You know, do the right thing, you know, make proper inquiries, even decide to meet at the police station as a good meeting point.
09:15Of course.
09:16To start a conversation, even before you transact any kind of business.
09:20Yeah.
09:21Yeah.
09:22Excellent.
09:23And you have said it.
09:24We have often extended our services to persons who would want to conduct business, obviously, within reason, because, you know, our policing activities are not just limited to that.
09:34But to ensure that members of the public have that environment and that sense of safety, if they feel that whatever area that they are going towards is not necessarily providing that, then by all means, visit the nearest police station.
09:49Have a conversation with the officers, get to know this person who you are going into business with.
09:54And nine out of ten times, if that person is up to no good, from the moment you mention the station, you're going to dis-earn.
10:01Yeah.
10:02You're going to have the ability to understand whether that person is somebody who's willing to be genuine or not.
10:08And we want to urge, we want to implore persons, please, do the right thing.
10:14Don't go to an area you're unfamiliar with.
10:17Don't go with large sums of money to buy something.
10:20You know, when you're meeting a stranger for this first time, we've seen a lot of things here.
10:24Yes, people have spoken about it and others, you know, about situational awareness.
10:29So please, we implore you all out there.
10:31Do the right thing.
10:32Follow proper protocol, proper steps before you decide to purchase something or sell something to someone.
10:37Alright, we're going to take a quick look now at our headlines.
11:07Alright, those are the headlines over the last 24 hours and we have a very interesting video, of course.
11:22Yeah.
11:23The back story, as far as I was told, is apparently this motorist was stopped and, you know, they ordered a search of the vehicle and they ordered them to step away, apparently.
11:33And he said, I'm not stepping away because I am afraid that something might be put in my car trunk.
11:38The officers obviously searched and it left.
11:41And then the civilian allegedly used obscene language.
11:46So let's just take a look at what transpired.
11:50And that creature, because quite a lot of times, they say yes please.
12:03Video staples.
12:04So at the whole time we use his password, it's probably the most common but it's not even though many people are going to try to statutory.
12:08They never told me the time to decide whether or not have supuesto they take away rather than just having to happen.
12:10from what i'm hearing you're saying i'm not holding your gun or maybe there was an attempt
12:33to i i am not certain because i i did not see the entirety maybe the video started at some
12:38juncture who would have shot it um but uh certainly uh one of the things i i looked at the video and um
12:45he was remarking that one of the officers was placing their knee on his throat and he was
12:52saying you know i couldn't breathe or something to that effect but uh you know i guess okay now
13:00what happens is that the public is usually incensed when police officers resort to force
13:09the reality is we are entitled to use force under certain circumstances and um it's evident that
13:16there was some sense of resistance taking place we always ask members of the public to cooperate
13:21with the officers you will have your day in court if it is that you are being uh treated from the
13:27perspective of a suspect and you are you are subsequently charged you will have your day in
13:30court if it is that you believe that the officers did something that they are not supposed to do
13:36you also have the opportunity to go to different places in order to have those reports lodged and
13:42they will be investigated do not mark do not resist do not confront do not try to match force with force
13:52uh with the police officers you will end up at the losing end of the stick and you find persons during
13:59those uh situations they try to control the narrative so they will be telling you what it is happening as
14:05much as when you look at the video uh you know with a deep sense of scrutiny you will not be observing
14:12what they are saying so you will have some some persons uh filming using their phone and they are saying
14:19things oh god don't do demand this don't do demand that but you are watching the video and you're not
14:23seeing anything like that yeah and if you are not careful you are directed based on what they are
14:27saying as opposed to what is actually taking place yeah so we we are entitled to use force and if persons
14:33resist then we will use as much force as is necessary all right i'll leave it at that um so today earlier
14:42this morning there was actually another homicide i think the numbers are 205 for the year in the carly bay
14:50area the victim was identified as 39 year old calvin sanka from perseverance so he's from that area
14:59um apparently uh they say that he was returning from sea yeah his boots is still on um apparently he was
15:08shot or attacked in some manner and killed yeah again uh condolences to his family uh we would ask anyone
15:17with information regarding this homicide to please um contact the homicide region three uh again mark it
15:25it is important that uh members of the public understand their role uh regarding our ability
15:31to bring persons to account for situations like this um sometimes there are persons outside there and
15:37in some instances they are afraid to come forward with the information uh in other instances they might
15:43not be aware as to the different means by which you can bring that information um anonymously so there's 555
15:50there's 800 tips um those those uh means have been proven they have been tested and persons have even
15:58benefited from the the rewards that usually come with that type of information so we are asking any
16:03member of the public who can assist us with this homicide and all the only homicides that took place over
16:08the past um 48 hours to 72 hours please provide that information if it is that you don't want to come in
16:15directly um 555 800 tips please provide the information so that we can bring these persons to justice and i'm almost
16:22sitting uh yes people that there are people out there that have knowledge yes they know what about
16:28have transpired previously from maybe an altercation of some sort and really in respect to this of course
16:34this particular incident that we just showed and um of course others uh for the one that we showed before
16:41maybe he had a conversation on the phone with somebody that someone overheard or knew he was
16:46going to meet somebody by her name yeah i'm just saying of course so there are little bits and pieces
16:51of course they can help of course the police with and and and piecing together the last moments of these
16:57persons of course indeed and and you are absolutely correct just to bring some context regarding uh the
17:05difference between formal and informal social control so formal social control is where as police officers
17:12we have the law uh to treat with persons uh regarding uh consequences for action yeah so someone does
17:19something wrong we can arrest you bring it before the court they find you guilty you are charged whatever
17:25some or you are sentenced to um whatever amount of imprisonment uh in terms of that informal social
17:32control which boils down to how the society looks at you when you do something uh that is much more
17:37impactful because we are social beings by nature and the way we are viewed within uh our family and
17:44within the community if someone does something and they know for a fact that if person is aware that they
17:48do that that the response is going to be one that sorts of banish them from society or from the persons you
17:55are accustomed being with or from that family or from that group then you'll find that they will think twice
18:00in order to do it as opposed to persons now glorifying that action when they glorify that action what you
18:05have now is mixed communications so the the law is telling you that is wrong but your group is telling
18:13you that it is right and that is why i find some people are so comfortable with doing things that i and
18:18you will find are totally inhumane all right all right we're going to take a short break and when we
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20:35welcome back to beyond the table i'm here who is mark wasan today with esp pit of the northern
20:50division and certainly um you know every time we go out on the brand lara promenade you often see
20:56the vendors day you know doubles vendors rooty vendors and other types of vendors and i realized
21:02not yesterday but the day before when i went out just taking a walk there were no vendors so yesterday
21:09apparently there was some vending activity again and um apparently city police of the city corporation
21:18came and they seized the items of a doubles vendor who was on the promenade um applying a trade
21:29um they took away the items and so on um of course um she was very upset and i think um in her
21:39explanation she gives uh she speaks about the fact that she actually has um documents showing that
21:49she would have paid for a space through the city corporation um until the end of july uh i think
21:56it was twenty four hundred dollars so if we have that video we can listen to what uh doubles vendor
22:04i believe her name is leticia says
22:11i paid my due on july which was monday i came out today and city police came and rent
22:20I paid my dues on July, which was Monday, I came back to July. I came out today and city police came and arrived.
22:32In my right to sell. I paid since Monday, legally I paid since Monday for the jump month of July.
22:44I didn't sell. I hold my hand yesterday, day before. Not coming out during the day to sell and then they come now.
22:51As soon as they come and see the central of me, they say that I am bending illegally.
22:56We had a meeting with the corporation this morning and they gave us the directive to go ahead and bend.
23:01Once we are up to date for payments, go ahead and rent.
23:06Yes, Pipit?
23:08Well, I don't have facts regarding this particular incident.
23:14What I can say based on what you said is that she was charged.
23:18And if she was charged, it means to say that it is now engaging the attention of the court.
23:22So the thing about court, Mark, is that persons have the opportunity to present evidence.
23:28And if it is that she is of the view that there is sufficient evidence on her part to suggest that what she was doing is not wrong, then the court will consider her evidence.
23:39So we have a call on the line, but I can't tell you that the express confirmed she was released last night.
23:45Right.
23:46Because she showed her documents and apparently I actually saw her earlier today on the promenade.
23:49So I guess they kind of worked out there was some kind of miscommunication.
23:53Okay.
23:54Because she would have had a document showing that she was, she's, she paid.
23:58She was authorized.
23:59And she's authorized to sell and they pay on a monthly basis until the end of July.
24:02Understood.
24:03All right.
24:04So we have a call on the line.
24:05Caller, good evening.
24:06Good evening, caller.
24:09Good evening, caller.
24:10Yes, and good afternoon, Mr. Basant.
24:13Good day.
24:14And, um, Officer...
24:17Yes, Pippet.
24:19I saw, I can't say, but you know, Mr. Officer Pitt.
24:23Officer Pitt, you know, who is speaking in Building 9, Merloni, no name, no word, you know, who you're speaking to, right?
24:32Yes, ma'am. Pleasant afternoon.
24:33Yes.
24:34Yes.
24:35I have a serious problem.
24:37The problem is that, um, you know the individual who I was dealing with before my son.
24:45He has a son and his real problems going on now.
24:50And the grandmother, for instance, calling me, calling me and complaining.
24:55And we make several reports to this, um, the, uh, the different, what else, the police station, all where we have to do, where we get through.
25:07People came and interview us.
25:09Nothing happened.
25:10The grandmother called me this evening there.
25:12And I researched it.
25:14I'll be 72 years, God knows.
25:17On Tuesday, please, God.
25:19Mr. Pitt, I would like to speak here over the ear.
25:22Over the phone, please.
25:23Very well.
25:24When you come up.
25:25Because the mother is a delinquent.
25:26She called her a lunatic.
25:27I don't know what to say.
25:28But I believe if you step in, Mr. Pitt, and I explain to you, you will understand and take steps in this situation.
25:44Please stand.
25:45Okay, ma'am.
25:46So, I will contact you often.
25:48Contact you often.
25:49Yes.
25:50All right.
25:51Yes.
25:52Seems that there's some problem with a young, young man.
25:54Yes.
25:55So, it's a bit sensitive.
25:56Right.
25:57So, for that reason, um, I will, I will have a discussion with her in camera.
26:00Um, just a follow-up on some calls that I received, uh, two shows ago.
26:05Yes.
26:06So, I was not way that long, ma'am.
26:09Because I know, uh, on some occasion, some persons would call and they would say that, um,
26:14you know, we did not return their call.
26:16Um, so, we had one caller, um, concerning a road traffic accident.
26:20Right.
26:21And we have been unable to reach this person.
26:22Um, we have tried on several occasions.
26:25There is an accident that occurred in the Southlands.
26:27So, caller, if you are hearing, um, or you are viewing the program this afternoon, please, uh, communicate with us so that we can, um, we can address the issues that, that you raised.
26:37You have your idea specifically in terms of the location where that accident would have occurred?
26:41Uh, I don't have it off the top of my head.
26:43Yeah.
26:44I know that my clerk made communication with the, the caller.
26:47And, um, that was in the first instance.
26:50Right.
26:51And the caller, she, the, she, his girlfriend called two shows ago.
26:55And she was saying that, um, what, the issue that, that was present was not addressed.
27:01Okay.
27:02And, um, for that reason, we, we tried to call the, my, my clerk called on several occasions thereafter.
27:07And, um, she was unable to make contact with the individual.
27:11Um, so we are asking now that, um, if he can, um, reach back out to us so that we can, um, revisit the situation in order to have whatever it is addressed.
27:19Or it could be that it probably was already addressed.
27:21If that is the case, well then, um, no communication is needed.
27:24Yeah.
27:25Right.
27:26Um, there was another issue regarding, um, a police officer, retired police officer in Tobago.
27:30Um, I, I think it was concerning, um, an issue regarding pension.
27:33So I know that we did in fact, um, make communication with, with that person.
27:38And so I can assure you that you will receive a call, um, sometime next week regarding this particular issue.
27:43Yeah.
27:44I think, I, I recall that gentleman calling.
27:46He, he made a call here, yes?
27:47Yes, he did.
27:48He did.
27:49Yes, I, I think I was, I was here at that time.
27:51Yes, yes.
27:52Um, but you know, a lot of, a lot of retired officers have lamented, you know, you know, problems receiving their pension and so on.
27:58So I know it's a process, of course.
28:00Yeah.
28:01And, uh, we are hopeful that, um, unlike his problem and others, it will be ironed out pretty soon.
28:06Yes.
28:07Well, um, I, I know that, um, our commissioner, Mr. Guevara, has, has vowed to, um, ensure that persons receive their just dues, um, within a reasonable period of time, um, within an acceptable period of time.
28:19And, um, you know, given his energy and his drive, I'm certain that, um, he will be able to achieve that.
28:25Yeah.
28:26Um, we look forward to, uh, those situations now becoming a thing of the past.
28:31Yeah.
28:32All right.
28:33Good.
28:34And we hope the commissioner is listening and we want to say a special good afternoon to you.
28:37Yeah.
28:38All right.
28:39We're going to take a short break and we'll be back.
28:40Stay with us.
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28:54Bye.
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29:55The Royals, they defeat the Trimbingo Knight Riders.
30:11On target.
30:12Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
30:37I'm your host, Mark Besson, joined today by ASP Ishmael Pitt of the Northern Division.
30:43It's one more day before school's out.
30:46That is correct.
30:48And I know...
30:49Officially.
30:49Officially.
30:50And I know that our motoring public will be looking forward to that.
30:55There's no sense of relief.
30:57If you can sleep a bit longer, the stress within that environment and the roadway will be less, and so on and so forth.
31:06Yes?
31:06However, we now have a situation where children would demand a different level of supervision.
31:17And for that reason, we are asking guardians, parents, the communities to ensure that our children do exactly what they ought to be doing as children.
31:33And we don't turn a blind eye.
31:36Social media, we always say it's a positive.
31:39Technology is a positive.
31:41But there are so many negatives that can come at it if the proper supervision is not applied.
31:47You know, we lord the efforts of our government as far as raising the age limit for alcohol and the use of marijuana.
31:56Because we have recognized as an organization as well that persons who use these, well, in the instance of marijuana drugs and in the instance of alcohol,
32:08some persons also deem it as a drug, not necessarily dangerous.
32:12You know, it forms a gateway in order for persons to graduate.
32:16And if not managed, if not within a mature mind, it can cause persons to behave a particular way.
32:26You can end up being vulnerable where persons now take advantage of you.
32:30You can end up now becoming much more aggressive or becoming aggressive when you are not normally aggressive.
32:36And because you are of that age, that stage where maturity is not necessarily part of your characteristics,
32:44you can understand how much more it would impact you.
32:48Yeah?
32:49Good point.
32:50All right.
32:50I think we have a caller on the line.
32:52Caller, good evening.
32:53Hi.
32:54Good evening, Mr. Bassantan.
32:56Good evening, sir.
32:57Officer Pitt.
32:59Good evening, sir.
33:00Very good evening to you guys.
33:02I'm watching the show.
33:03Tune in a bit late.
33:04I would just summarize the two points.
33:07Maybe you guys could expound a bit better for me.
33:09I have limited knowledge about life in Trinidad.
33:14Only 33 years old, but somehow there's always things to learn.
33:18I've been watching the show for quite some time, listening, paying attention.
33:23And introducing a new topic here, I think sometimes a lot of the issues we have,
33:29the particular faculty might be connected to women, right?
33:32I don't know if women, I mean, we appraise women, we celebrate women, we appreciate them.
33:40In reality, at times, women have been allowed to get away, have a little more leniency to do things that men can't do.
33:47And sometimes men kind of have to tolerate it.
33:51And that might be at the core of a lot of issues that we see going on in society.
33:55You guys may be much better equipped to advise and assess, but I mean, and so I will leave it there.
34:04I don't want to take up too much time, but generally, long story short, there are persons, male, female, young, old.
34:11We just want a happy Trinidad and Tobago.
34:13All right, so blessings to you guys, to the TTPS organization.
34:18You all come and add lots of criticism at times.
34:20We as the general public don't know the background guidelines you'll have to leave with,
34:25but some of us just want a happy, safe, fun Trinidad.
34:29Blessings, guys.
34:30Yeah.
34:30Thanks so much, caller.
34:31Thank you, sir.
34:32Yes, we pet.
34:32Mark, I like how you just threw it.
34:37Yeah, yeah, yeah.
34:38I traded your court.
34:39You didn't want to hold that at all.
34:41You understand your ramifications at that state.
34:44Yeah?
34:45You might just say the wrong thing.
34:46No, I just think your opinion will be more respected in this remit here, man.
34:53Your courtesy knows no bounds.
34:57The caller raised that interest in the studio,
34:59and we may, in the absence of a woman being here to add to the discussion,
35:06we may be somewhat, or we may appear somewhat biased in terms of our delivery.
35:12But just to summarize what he has said, or paraphrase,
35:17he's looking at, from his lens,
35:20women being a major part of a lot of the ills that are taking place
35:25because of the fact that we allow them to get away with a lot of things.
35:30Now, immediately, I can put a twist to that.
35:33Yes.
35:33And I can say that historically, women have been deprived of a lot of things,
35:39and it could be now that society is now appreciating women as an equal to men,
35:46and, you know, the opportunities now would be expanded,
35:50and the treatment will now be expanded to facilitate women who are ambitious
35:56and who might be forthright and who might be vocal.
35:59And it's not a case.
36:01There are still some persons, and I'm not saying that the caller is one who might be guilty of that
36:06or just looking at it from that lens.
36:07But there are some persons who still believe that the place for a woman is behind.
36:13And, you know, when a man speaks, a woman dare not say anything to counter that
36:18or to have a dissenting view.
36:20But those days, fortunately, those days are gone.
36:25And we know the value that that woman has brought to the world,
36:29not only our society, to the world.
36:31And Trinidad and Tobago could feel proud today that we can boast we have a female prime minister.
36:36We had a female commissioner.
36:39We have a female president.
36:41We have a female opposition leader.
36:43So the list goes on and on and on.
36:45And it means the same.
36:46Jump the words right out of my mouth.
36:47Oh, you're jumping now.
36:51When it's safe, when it's safe, when it's safe.
36:54Mark, very good, very good.
36:55But you articulated it well there on behalf of both of us.
36:58Thank you, Mark.
36:58Thank you, thank you.
36:59I like how you're coming when it's safe, you know.
37:01You open it down and you look out and you say,
37:03all right, it's safe to come in.
37:04Yeah, but, I mean, so I don't know.
37:07The caller may have to bring some context to really sway at least, you know.
37:14And in this instance, I would say my mind that the society allows women to get away with things, you know.
37:21I don't necessarily share that view.
37:24And, you know, I'm trying to be as objective as possible.
37:26Well, to each his own, of course.
37:28And unless, as you say, he's able to bring empirical data to suggest, you know, they are behind X, Y, or Z.
37:34Yes.
37:35We don't want to cast aspersions on anyone.
37:38Correct.
37:38Or any, whether it be male or female dominant in a particular area.
37:43Unless you have empirical data to show X, Y, or Z.
37:46Yes.
37:46Whether it be on the TTPS or in any other space.
37:49Correct, correct, correct.
37:50But what we do know is that historically, as I said before, women didn't really have much of a voice.
37:58Yes.
37:58And you mentioned the TTPS, you know, organizations like the TTPS, we were male-dominated.
38:03And when you look at the hierarchy of the TTPS now, we are very much balanced when it comes to female being part of the hierarchy.
38:12And it's a reflection of the society at large.
38:15Yeah.
38:15Yeah.
38:16All right.
38:16So, remember the numbers are called 623-1711, extensions 1996 and 1997.
38:24We're going to take a short break and we'll be back.
38:26Stay with us.
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41:41Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
41:42I'm your host, Mark Bussan, joined today by ASP Schmelt-Pitt.
41:45We're going to go quickly to the lines.
41:47We have a caller on hold.
41:48Caller, good evening.
41:49Good evening.
41:50I'm asked for the business, Mr. Pitt.
41:53First of all, I want to thank you, Mr. Pitt, and your team for doing extra, you know, good work.
42:04Second, I'm a service provider for the wrecking service.
42:09That is, do the wrecking for all your vehicles, like for, after an accident.
42:18Right?
42:18Now I have a few people that is employed.
42:21Right.
42:22Now the wrecking people didn't ask me to call, but I am calling because I am affected.
42:28This is going in three months plus.
42:30The wrecking service doesn't receive any money.
42:34Yeah.
42:34Right?
42:35And it is affecting us because I have my workers to pay and I cannot pay them.
42:40So I don't know, Chief, if you could look into that for us, please.
42:43Yeah.
42:44So that the wrecking service, the wrecking service owners will be able to get their money.
42:48That is part of it so we can continue the great job that they are doing.
42:52Yeah.
42:52Excellent.
42:53So, Paula.
42:53Thank you so much.
42:54And you have a pleasant day.
42:55And keep up the good work, Mark.
42:56And, officer, keep up the good work.
42:58Thank you, sir.
42:59So I trust you leave your number off here so that we can communicate.
43:04Yeah.
43:04All right.
43:05Hopefully he leaves his number.
43:06Yes.
43:06I mean, yes, they perform a function and a service with the assistance of the TTPS where
43:15people, around people, motorists park their vehicles around corners and no parking zones.
43:22That's right.
43:23It's not a wrong place to be in San Fernando or Rima, there go Martin, Chogonas, you name
43:29it.
43:29And what about when persons are involved in accidents?
43:33Yes, that as well.
43:34That as well.
43:34And then we have vehicles to, you know, have evidential value process, as we are saying
43:43police, those vehicles process, taking to the process point.
43:47So, the processing point.
43:48So, their job is a priceless one and, you know, it's one that we really, really cannot
43:55do without, yeah?
43:56So, for that reason, definitely the communication will be made.
43:59It's three months, you said, now?
44:00Yeah, three months.
44:00Wow.
44:01That's a long time, you know, especially when you have, as you said, to pay your staff who
44:05is working for you as the owner of the company.
44:09You're hoping that the money is coming, you know?
44:11Of course.
44:12So that you can continue your business apart from paying workers, other things you have
44:16to do, maintain your vehicles, et cetera, et cetera.
44:18Exactly.
44:19Exactly.
44:20You know?
44:20Exactly.
44:21It's a reasonable option.
44:22Yep.
44:22Yep, it is.
44:23All right.
44:24Go ahead.
44:25Today, I visited Tabakit, you know, the ending of Tabakit, when you start with the queue.
44:33Right.
44:34It spares quite, right?
44:35So, Tabakit, quite.
44:36For all intended purposes, for persons living on the East West Corridor, Tabakit might be
44:42some distance away.
44:43So, I went there to attend the funeral of Mr. Gregory Soberro, you know, condolences to
44:50his family.
44:51He passed sometime last week.
44:53Yeah.
44:53And he's the brother of Assistant Commissioner of Police, Mr. Oswin Soberro, who is the ACP
44:58Tobago and Eastern Division.
45:00And, you know, so, but the warmth that was expressed in that Tabakit community, it was
45:09really, really priceless.
45:10You know, persons were very, very receptive.
45:13And you felt that, as we just call it, that country feeling.
45:16And, you know, it brought me back to that period when the entirety of Chirian-Tobago had that
45:24type of love and that type of togetherness and that type of warmth.
45:29You know, I was able to have a roti and the lady was telling me that it's the best roti
45:35in the country.
45:36It did taste well, ma'am, I must say so.
45:38It did, in fact, taste well.
45:40So, just a shout-out, Tabakit, it was unfortunate that I had to be there under those circumstances,
45:47of course.
45:48But, really, really, there are really some nice communities within Chirian-Tobago.
45:53And, you know, I dare say those communities, you hardly hear anything, rarely, in terms of
45:59violent crimes and these type of crimes coming out of those communities.
46:03Coming with us.
46:03Yeah.
46:04And I trust it's because of how they are close-knit and the relationship that they
46:08have with the police and the fact, you know, they keep looking out for each other.
46:12And even though there might not be an established sense of what we may call a community watch
46:17group, nonetheless, it exists, you know, based on the relationships.
46:22All right.
46:23I think you have another caller on the line.
46:25Caller, good evening.
46:26Yes.
46:27Certainly, gentlemen.
46:28Good evening, sir.
46:29Good evening, sir.
46:30Yes.
46:30One, sir, I'd like to say.
46:32One is that, um, the, um, the women have always played an important role in the life of the
46:44family.
46:45Yes.
46:45The woman is the one, I remember, I see the driving, and one day I got trapped with me,
46:51an elderly man, and he's, he had his wife and wife for 50 years, and he never wore him
46:57the up-miss envelope.
46:58He always takes it straight to his life.
47:01Yeah.
47:02The mother, the woman, and the whole was the one who did all the separation, who started
47:08his suits on this, who gave him up, who organized for the village, when he was built, he was
47:15to come.
47:20Caller is still there?
47:22All right.
47:23So I think, uh, Caller.
47:24We lost him.
47:25Lost him.
47:25Um, but yes, uh, you know, you, we were having a conversation of, uh, about the importance
47:31of women.
47:31Of course.
47:32In different, uh, you know, roles in society.
47:35Yes.
47:35And he made a very valid, valid point, sorry.
47:38Yeah.
47:38About their roles in the home.
47:41Yes.
47:41Families.
47:41Yeah, their roles in the home.
47:43And, um, I, I was really anticipating, um, that he was going down a particular line, um,
47:50because there are those who would say that, I mean, no, we are, we are in 2025 and largely
47:56you have women who are, um, career oriented.
48:01And, um, you know, there are some persons who believe that because they are career oriented,
48:06um, their role in the home is somewhat, uh, affected.
48:10Yeah.
48:11And, um, for that reason, the, the home, that sense of nurturing and what have you is not
48:16as present as it was before.
48:18Um, I, I'm just saying, I am not saying that, that, that, because I, I am no expert where
48:24that is concerned, uh, but there are persons who would say, uh, that, you know, it contributes
48:30to the person's, um, children that is not necessarily getting that type of attention.
48:35And there, there, there are those who would argue that, um, because of some, uh, absent
48:39dads and the fact that you have these single parents' homes, that also contributes to, you
48:45know, that, that, that lack of guardianship, that lack of parenting that contributes to
48:50children becoming juvenile delinquents and, and, and what have you.
48:53So it's an interesting, um, argument and it's one that definitely needs, uh, a lot of looking
48:59into, um, which was that the technocrats will hold on to these type of, um, hypothesis as
49:04it will, and, and see if they can come up with some answers that can assist us, because
49:09it also impacts, as we were saying, sometimes even the issue of domestic violence.
49:13Yep.
49:13All right.
49:14You have another call in line.
49:15Caller, good evening.
49:17Hello.
49:17Good evening.
49:18Good evening, Martin.
49:19Good evening, officer.
49:20This is the wife of the gentleman who made you report at the accident on San Fernando
49:25on the Pier Road.
49:26Yes.
49:26Yes, ma'am.
49:27Um, yes.
49:28Well, my husband told me nobody has called him, so it's when I gave Ms. Jack the head
49:32number.
49:33Right.
49:34We haven't got any redress up to now from the police station made of insurance.
49:37My husband, we purchased a new car and we have a hundred thousand dollars loan to pay
49:43and he will pay for it by form of, um, tax fee.
49:48Right.
49:49Um, the four months of my husband, he's the breadwinner in the family and we have lowly.
49:55I was under pressure, right.
49:57And the, uh, the insurance, you told me to give it to my principal right now, he's not
50:02home.
50:02Um, the insurance, you know, getting through the other party insurance, beginning the
50:06party.
50:07And, uh, it's a number of things, you know, uh, if she did, if we could do something to
50:11help us, please.
50:12In just five months, my husband kind of, uh, uh, we have a hundred thousand, if I lose
50:17all the money, only $70,000, not if we already paid.
50:21Yes.
50:21Understood, ma'am.
50:22Um, so we would ask you if you can leave your number because clearly we are getting some,
50:26um, challenges regarding communicating your husband via the number you provided, um, for
50:32him.
50:32So we want that you leave your number so we can use you as the intermediate regarding
50:37the, the means of communication, please.
50:39Thanks.
50:41Yeah.
50:41All right.
50:42So we're going to take a short break.
50:44And when we get back, yes, we'll talk about this a bit more.
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53:02Welcome back to Be On The Tape.
53:16I'm your host, Mark Besson, joined today by ASP Pitt.
53:18You see, you made a mention of something that you were trying to contact the persons and
53:23fought with the calls.
53:25Excellent, excellent.
53:26It means to say that that person is a regular viewer of Be On The Tape.
53:31Yes, yes.
53:32That's what it means.
53:33And they're looking for results.
53:35And when we have proactive persons like yourself and other officers on the show, that can give
53:39them that redress, give them that comfort, that when they call and they leave their numbers,
53:44that there's something happening behind the scenes.
53:46Of course, of course, of course.
53:48So, we mentioned school is out.
53:53Yes.
53:53And we mentioned that the motoring public is going to experience some sense of relief.
53:59I ease up.
53:59We mentioned the issue regarding those gateway drugs, marijuana, what have you.
54:04And I use marijuana and I also mention alcohol.
54:09There are other drugs, ecstasy and other drugs that are on the market.
54:13And we ought to be very careful.
54:16But as well, there are parents who would want to send their children to camps and different
54:23institutions in order to benefit from utilizing their time appropriately.
54:30What we would ask parents to do is to ensure that those institutions, those camps that you
54:38are taking your children to are reputable.
54:41Don't just take it for granted.
54:44Have an understanding as to who are the persons who are managing the institutions, the persons
54:50who will actually be engaging your children, so that you can make now an informed decision.
54:55Because remember, things can happen that can impact that child for his or her entire life.
55:03So, we don't want to chance it.
55:05Yeah?
55:06It's of paramount importance.
55:08That's why Corporal Shabu, you said yesterday, you know, know where you're sending your kids
55:11to camp.
55:12That's right.
55:13The St. James Police Youth Club have a number of camps going on around the country, pretty
55:18affordable as well, because some of these camps are very expensive.
55:22Yeah.
55:22As I understand from a colleague, they paid for two weeks a thousand dollars.
55:25Yeah.
55:26Whereas, I understand the St. James Police Youth Club, the registration fee of a hundred
55:30dollars and fifty dollars per week.
55:32Right.
55:33You got a lot of activities there between nine and three, and very responsible persons overlooking
55:39these camps.
55:40Indeed.
55:41Very reputable persons who you know and you can hold them to account, and that is exactly
55:45what you need.
55:46And I'm glad that you mentioned the youth clubs, you know.
55:49We are very, very proud of our youth clubs, Mark.
55:52Yeah.
55:52We are proud that we are able as an organization to go beyond the traditional lens of policing.
55:59Because historically, you would not have heard of youth clubs being part of policing.
56:03Yeah.
56:04But we recognize that we must be able to impact the future.
56:07And to impact the future, we must be able to impact the children today.
56:10Yeah, well said.
56:13As I said, the children are our future.
56:15Yeah.
56:15It's really important that we take care of them.
56:18And when we have this holiday break, or as I said, the August holidays, we ensure that
56:25they're kept occupied.
56:26Their mind is ticking over.
56:28That's right.
56:28Not some schoolwork, that is, but they enjoy some of the things that they like to do, you
56:32know.
56:33Or visiting places of interest, historical sites, and so on, and learning about your
56:38country is essentially also very important.
56:41Very, very important.
56:42It's relaxing.
56:44It's mentally stimulating.
56:46Sightseeing is a wonderful thing.
56:48And, you know, exposing children to sightseeing and getting an understanding.
56:52Trinidad and Tobago are so beautiful, so wonderful.
56:54There's so much to see.
56:55There's so much to learn.
56:56There's so much to eat.
56:58You should know because you went to Tabakit today.
57:01And I was there a couple of weeks back, and I took a drive there.
57:05And let me tell you, I met this food place, and they have some really nice barbecue, a
57:10family place.
57:11Yes.
57:12You know, right in your heart at Tabakit.
57:13Yeah.
57:14All right.
57:14Remember, repeat tonight at 11.30.
57:17We run tomorrow at 11 o'clock.
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57:22We'll see you back here tomorrow at 6.
57:25Have a great one.
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