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03:28Welcome to Beyond the Tape.
03:30I'm your host, Mark Bassant.
03:31Welcome to our viewers across Trinidad and Tobago, our international viewers, and of course, our brothers and sisters on the Isle of Tobago.
03:38It's smack in the middle of the week, and guess what?
03:41It's Legally Speaking Wednesdays.
03:43And of course, joining us today, Acting Sergeant Zaheer Ali of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
03:49And attorney at the door, welcome, sir.
03:50How have you been?
03:51Well, pleasant good evening to you, Mark.
03:54It's indeed a pleasure and privilege to be here as always.
03:58You know, good evening to Jackie and, you know, our colleagues, you know, behind the scenes.
04:03You know, the citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago, most importantly, my colleagues in the law enforcement agencies.
04:09Mark, you know, I have to share this with you.
04:12You know, over the last week, you know, I've been engaging, you know, medical institutions and, you know, other places.
04:17And, you know, I was bombarded with members of our beloved citizenry, you know, coming up, you know, and, you know, encouraging and inspiring the work of Beyond the Tape.
04:30And I must share this with you.
04:31You know, you are in that equation as well.
04:33And, you know, I want to say to these individuals, if they are listening at this time, that, you know, we are grateful, we are thankful for your feedback.
04:40And I think if we are not getting your feedback, you know, we would not know whether, in fact, we are reaching you in the way that we should be.
04:46So I want to say to the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago, and in particular those persons, Mark, who came up and offered advice, you know, and I said, you know, they were very encouraging and inspiring words.
04:56You know, I want to thank you all very much and hope that we continue to do justice to this program, Mark.
05:01Well, certainly, you know, our feedback is critical for this kind of show.
05:05We have the segment Voice of the People.
05:08We have callers that would call in and give us their opinions, even make comments or even suggestions, which are all welcome, of course, to improve not just the TTPS, but by extension, the safety and security of Trinidad and Tobago.
05:23And it's always refreshing to hear persons calling when we are having a candid conversation of some sort, illegal or not.
05:31Yes.
05:31And I think, you know, we want to thank those persons who continue to support this program from day one, even before me being here, the former hosts and so on, and really set a really great foundation for a show that continues to gather a lot of attention and attract a lot of viewers.
05:51And I want to agree with you, Mark, and, you know, what I'm seeing to Mark and, you know, in the engagement of the citizenry, I'm seeing that matters that are discussed on this platform, it is manifesting itself.
06:03And it's manifesting itself where even the decision makers, they are now discussing the issues.
06:09And, you know, I think that if I were to measure the success of a program like this, is that you'll want to see after discussions or after issues are tabled and discussed and ventilated, that you see now that the decision makers are actually, you know, embracing, you know, the discussions and perspectives from the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago as well.
06:30So that as a society, we are getting involved in the process.
06:34And, you know, having said that, you see in most recent, you know, the Honorable Prime Minister, and it was very refreshing to see the stakeholders, the doctors, the psychiatrists, the psychologists, the religious leaders, that discussion about increasing the age limit for, in particular, the issue of alcohol.
06:52We know that cannabis has always been an issue, whether, you know, we are looking at, not with something that has been decriminalized, but in terms of alcohol, you know, very, very important.
07:03And Mark, some time ago, you and I were discussing, and we were discussing it from a children's context, where while we may be speaking about the injurious drug, there was an extension on any substance that may have a similar effect.
07:16And you know that if you, those who are consuming cannabis, the expert will tell you that, you know, if you are abusing that drug, you know, you go into a stage of worry and so forth.
07:27Similarly, if you are abusing alcohol, your judgment, you know, will also be impaired.
07:32So, I think it's, you know, very interesting discussions, and, you know, where I have grown it is that to recalibrate, I think that's the word that the Honorable Prime Minister used, where society is concerned, and looking at the public health issue, and looking at the youths of Trinidad and Tobago, you know, I think it's rewarding and refreshing, and I invite Trinidad and Tobago to get involved in the discussions.
07:53Well, certainly, we did touch on it yesterday when Corporal Sharbody was here, but I wanted to ask your opinion as well.
07:58Yes.
07:59You know, the raising of the drinking age of 21, and gambling, of course, you know, marijuana to the age of 25, and I know that the legislation has to be laid in Parliament, and of course, there will also be a number of other stipulations and rules for those that are supposed to enforce this, you know, the bars, the nightclubs, and so on.
08:21And, you know, I had a discussion on a number of people overnight and this morning talking about it, and they're saying that, yes, this is a good law, but the enforcement aspect of it is also extremely important.
08:33We have a law, we have a lot of laws that, yeah, it's late and so on, but in terms of enforcing these laws and enforcing and ensuring that, you know, in a critical, you know, area like this, where, you know, she spoke about, the Prime Minister spoke about, you know, young people becoming addicted to alcohol.
08:53Yes.
08:54Hence the reason why she felt it's necessary to go forward with this particular legislation in the coming months to ensure that, you know, we raise the limit.
09:04And I guess for younger persons that take stock of themselves more when they're consuming alcohol and so on.
09:10Well, Mark, I'm certainly not, you know, the discussion, you know, will be guided by research and, you know, expert opinion.
09:17You know, that, you know, just by way of example, moving from 18 to 21 as it relates to the alcohol.
09:22I think that sometimes that three years is so important in terms of that maturity of mind, the ability to make proper decisions.
09:27And, you know, we also recognize that the impact, not only for my health context, but for my economic and social context, you know, very, very significant.
09:36So I think what the, in my respect for you, what the Honorable Prime Minister, by extension, the state is focusing on, is a culture change in Trinidad and Tobago, Mark.
09:47I don't know if you recognize what's happening.
09:48It's a culture change.
09:49And I think that the time has come for, you know, we, as a matter of fact, the citizenry have called for very strong actions.
09:57And this is a very strong action in my view.
09:59And I think it is going to be, you know, impacting on the culture and tradition of Trinidad and Tobago.
10:04So, you know, I am also interested in the discussion.
10:06But I think that anything that is geared towards the development and the protection of our nation's youth, I think is very important because that's the future.
10:15All right.
10:15Let's take a quick look now at our headlines.
10:19Let's take a quick look.
10:49Well, those are some of the headlines within the last 24 hours.
10:52Of course, the last thing there, a release from the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service about attorney Martin George appearing before Portis Payne Magistrate today, charged with grievous sexual assault and indecent assault, granted bail in the sum of $150,000, a quite prominent lawyer, of course.
11:11And I know being a part of the legal fraternity, you would have shared some concerns about, you know, this situation.
11:17Well, Mark, when we have seen a headline, a headline that you have just read, you know, definitely it will be a concern with reference to, you know, what you have read.
11:28But at the same time, you know, we have to recognize that, you know, like any other citizen who is charged for a criminal offense, there's a presumption of innocence and then proven guilty.
11:36Certainly.
11:36Right.
11:37And, you know, we have to respect that.
11:38And, you know, while this matter has now entered the court's domain, you know, now it's subjudice.
11:42So, you know, we want to be very circumspect in how we come in.
11:45But, you know, what it demonstrates again is that no one is above the rule of law.
11:50And that is something that I want to expound on this afternoon for every single citizen of Shenanah and Tobago and whatever you may be doing.
11:59No one is above the rule of law.
12:00We are governed by the rule of law and no one is above the rule of law.
12:04Wherever you sit, you are guided by the rule of law.
12:07So I think that's the important point I want to bring.
12:10But, again, a very, very unfortunate situation, I should say, in terms of the consequences or the impact and trust and confidence that, you know, these things can manifest.
12:22But, as I said before, presumption in a sense until proven guilty and it's subjudice.
12:26So you'll see how that matter unfolds in the public interest.
12:30And we also had a matter where four persons were in court today for the kidnapping and assault charges of a 23-year-old Prince of Stong man, Ravi Shahzad, Vicar Sharma, Vinay Sharma, and Shahzad A. Egon of Prince of Stong were charged with the offenses and appeared before Master Gray in the South Master Court on Tuesday, yesterday, that is.
12:53Well, two of them were granted bail and surety in some of $100,000 to cover all the charges in order to report to the Prince of Stong police station two days a week between 6 a.m. and 6 p.m.
13:05and to have no contact with the virtual complainant and to stay 500 meters away, while Vicar Sharma and Vinay Sharma were denied bail and the matter was adjourned until November 25th.
13:17Well, again, let me salute the work of the police officers by making that detection and, you know, the appearance of the persons in court.
13:24But I want to just take this opportunity, Mark, you know, to speak to my brothers and sisters in the law enforcement agency and especially the TTPS, that you have just read clearly the bail conditions.
13:35Yes.
13:36And I want to strongly advise that the process of prevention of crime, that's the first phase of the arrest and charge in place before the court.
13:49It's important for us now to manage these bail conditions.
13:51So it's important for us to ensure that the accused, and for example, one of the things that you read in terms of visiting the police station at a particular time, I'm asking the police officers to police that.
14:04If we are serious about dealing with crime and criminality and upholding the rule of law, that's an order of the court and let us police that so that the accused will know that we are very serious.
14:13Because this is also part of, Mark, causing a deterrent that even before a verdict is reached in that matter, the policing of the conditions will also demonstrate to that accused that make sure that that don't happen a second time.
14:30Yes.
14:30So it's very important for us to enforce it.
14:32All right.
14:33Yesterday in the Sister Isle of Tobago, police were called to a scene behind the Scarborough Fishing Depot.
14:43Partially decomposed body was found in that area.
14:46Of course, we are not familiar with the circumstances or what may have happened to that individual.
14:52Yes.
14:53And it's still being investigated by the police, Sergeant Ali.
14:56Well, you know, Mark, the fact that you have indicated that, you know, the facts, you know, are not available to us, it would be premature for me to comment on it.
15:06But, again, seeing a human being, you know, in those circumstances, you know, again, unfortunate.
15:11You know, that human being, I'm sure, that if you draw the lines, you connect to, you know, other members of his family or her family, as the case may be, because I'm not sure if it's male or female.
15:22Is it?
15:23It's male?
15:23I'm not entirely certain.
15:25I haven't seen anything to indicate whether or not they may be able to ascertain the sex of the person.
15:31Or, of course, I know that a post-mortem will have to be performed to determine how they would have died.
15:37Yes.
15:38So, again, because it's premature, but, again, it's unfortunate because, you know, someone probably would have been missing a loved one.
15:44And, you know, to see, you know, those circumstances, you know, it's unfortunate.
15:49So, my condolences to the family in advance, and I hope that there's a speedy investigation to determine whether, in fact, it's natural or unnatural, as the case may be.
15:57Yeah, most certainly.
15:58Yeah.
15:58All right.
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18:18On target.
18:19This is another wicket.
18:20Welcome back to be on the table.
18:22I'm your host, Mark Bassan, joined today by Sergeant Zaheer Ali.
18:26Of the Trinidad and Zaheer Ali.
18:27On target.
18:28On target.
18:29This is another wicket.
18:33This is another wicket.
18:34Welcome back to be on the table.
18:35I'm your host, Mark Bassan, joined today by Sergeant Zaheer Ali.
18:52Of the Trinidad and Zaheer police service and attorney at law.
18:55I think we have our first caller on the line.
18:58Caller, good evening.
19:00good evening mr mark passant and the sergeant ali good evening to you sir evening sir and this is a
19:09question on my observation directed at the ttps and by extension the police service commission
19:20and commissioners the first one is a high profile case going on with which which we see is subjudice
19:28i'm not going to say anything more about it all i am saying if we go back to the history of the akil
19:36chambers where the police ttps might be complicit with the dna samples i'm hoping that this case
19:50is totally different to that case and every piece of evidence investigation
19:58is kept in a professional manner i'm hoping that this case is brought to the court and
20:04dispatched with force with guilty or innocent it must be done this will to some extent show
20:13or improve the the my confidence in the ttps no back to the police service commissioners
20:21i believe they are in they're doing an injustice to the ttps they have appointed a police service
20:31commissioner sorry a commission and they have they have his hand tied with the executives they currently
20:38have i believe they possibly for my advantage not wanted the for it to work the mitigation of crime
20:50because that's the way i'm saying we as citizens expected that the police commissioners would have acted
20:58with the investigation into some of the leadership there are too many court judgment that says something
21:10is wrong with them i believe they should be put aside and a new team led by the current commissioner
21:19police borrero sorry to pronounce his name badly to move the police service forward so this is a time
21:26that will show if the confidence level of the police service will improve i'm going to have a nice evening
21:32thanks so much caller but thank you very much caller um you know mark the issue in relation to the police
21:39service commission and the um you know the court judgments in relation to some senior officers you
21:44know the caller has spoken but i'll deal with the issue in relation to and he's right and i'm happy that
21:50he raised it as a citizen of trinidad and tobago a lot of people don't recognize or i should say should
21:55recognize that when a crime is committed mark a crime while there may be in in a particular instance you may
22:01have a virtual complainant a victim crime is considered against the society so that's why you
22:06have it not really against the individual but the society so when you have a citizen emphasizing the
22:11importance of ensuring that the there's effective case management and there's a speedy trial and
22:17evidence is protected you know i come i commend that and i salute that and and i really hope that the
22:23the respective parties you know pay particular attention especially where it has been now dubbed a high
22:29profile matter a very high profile matter you have seen some of the best lawyers that you know in
22:33trinidad and tobago appearing in this matter it's important for ensure that the wheels of justice you
22:40know turns in the way that it should be turning but more importantly that there's effective case
22:44management so that we don't have issues occurring where one way or the other is a prejudice either to
22:49the prosecution or it's a prejudice to the defense so i'm happy that the caller has raised that issue this
22:53afternoon yeah certainly you know as you said it's important that you know everybody's familiar with
22:59these matters and they will obviously be able to give their opinion about a particular situation as
23:04it pertains to that and we don't want to say much more than yes what is what he has already articulated
23:10there yes uh you know uh one of the things i know that uh the prime minister also spoke about on monday
23:17night which is something that is very prevalent a lot of people calling it deals with noise pollution i was
23:23hoping perhaps you you know dissect that a little more for the public in terms of what you said and
23:29and what this legislation will definitely mean going down the road well mark that's another critical
23:34area you know when we are looking at noise and you know the citizens they will be in the best position
23:40you know to explain and express you know the impact that noise um have on an individual on a group
23:48you know you know and you know when you're looking at young children you're looking at old age persons
23:51persons who are sick um the impact and the experts will tell you in terms of the impact of noise
23:55but when you hear again that the the state the legislators are looking in a direction to in the cases of
24:01looking at bars and you know regulating bars and i even saw a suggestion where persons who may be
24:08aggrieved by a particular institution that is causing a public nuisance through noise that they will have the option
24:15to even retain their own attorney to make representations um when the application is made
24:21for the by license or the renewal of the by license i think that is healthy because you know
24:25there has been allegations that sometimes the police don't give the full representation to the court in
24:30order to balance the scales of justice so i think that when you open the playing field that persons who
24:35have issues should have the opportunity and be given the opportunity to be heard mark that's a very serious component
24:40the opportunity to be heard natural justice principles is a very important principle and i
24:45think that that aspect of it in terms of the aggrieved parties in a community having the opportunity to
24:50retain an attorney to make representation i think that's excellent so that you know you have trained
24:55minds you know who could really articulate the law um in the best interest of everyone but again it's an
25:00area that is ripe and crying out for reform yes yes most certainly all right we have another call on the line
25:06caller good evening good evening evening evening good evening good evening yes um one thing i want to say
25:16is that i always like how you are so you know you always look for balance and i'm saying that um
25:23concerning somebody who has a charge we're not going to discuss anything we i hope they deal with that
25:29very quickly because they take too long to leave with cases so hope that particular person who have
25:35a charge now they deal with it whether he innocent or or not innocent and they deal with it very fast
25:41that's the first point my second point is the person who they had kidnapped and the money was paid
25:46and the person was still killed i hope that they find those persons who did something like that and
25:52because it's so ridiculous you're getting money and you're still killing man i mean something needs to be done
25:58about that my third point is i'm listening to what has been said concerning dealing with gun dealing
26:04with pepper spray and different things and i am happy that they're looking at some of these things
26:08because some of these things should be dealt with but i hope is not just talk and i hope it will not
26:13take long especially to deal with certain things like pepper spray and and whatever because we need to
26:19look at these things very quickly so i hope that it is not just talk for everything everything everything
26:24i know everything wouldn't happen at one time but we hope and pray that they take time and deal with
26:29things because people get in the way too many things in this in this country something needs to be done
26:34thank you very very much we save all of you that's a lot caller well thank you very much caller again you
26:39know mark i want to take a word of the submissions of the caller she used our word balance and you know
26:46so coincidental that we were speaking about this you have noise just before you took the call
26:51yes and really we were speaking about ensuring that person strike a balance in terms of how they
26:56enjoy their property or how they enjoy their commercial activity and i think that to the
27:01citizens of trinidad and tobago you know we are speaking his you know mark and i together with you
27:05all if we put balance into our life and even if you look at it from an individual context mark if
27:11you balance what you eat what you consume and that sort of thing you'll find that you will be a better
27:20citizen so generally speaking if you are engaged in commercial activities be cognizant that you
27:25are in a community and other persons may not be interested in hard music they may be interesting
27:31in having a quiet and a peaceful time so my lady that balance i'm going to take it please permit me to
27:38take it off your submission to share it with trinidad and tobago and anything that we do let us always see
27:44if we can achieve or strike that balance and mark last but not least when you look at the constitution
27:48you have a freedom of expression you have a freedom of the press in fact let me let me let me go
27:55directly to you you have a freedom of the press but can you go and act irresponsible of course not
28:00and hence again this is where the balance has to be struck enjoying your right but understanding that
28:05if you are irresponsible you can now land yourself into what defaming persons giving inaccurate
28:11information misleading members of the public so a critical word this afternoon balance mark
28:16all right balance it is and we're going to take a short break and when we get back we'll take more of
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31:18welcome back i'm your host mark basan it's legally speaking wednesdays and with us today is
31:27sergeant zahe rally attorney at law uh with the trinidad and tobago police service it's your favorite
31:33segment voice of the people in san juan let's go
31:46we just wanted to get idea what's your thoughts on school violence and bullying indonesian well um to
32:11me it's more about the influence to influencing the children we're influencing them what examples
32:16they have you know it's more than because you know that way they stem from you know what i
32:20see in their practice and if they see in respect and order and i sit down to discipline on our daily
32:26and i want to go practice what you think could be done or implemented in school so to mitigate that
32:32violence and stop it altogether well to me it already had things in place concerning disciplinary
32:37action in schools but i think it's more about enforcing it or taking it to maybe just a higher
32:42level but not too much to dislike incriminating the children but more to show them that it's serious
32:48and it could lead to a lot more you know accidents that happen people could get damaged for life
32:53mentally physically so it's more about you know showing them the extent that he you know how fight
32:58could go now making them understand how dangerous it is you know you talk about actions and your prime
33:02minister had recently spoken about some students could possibly face expulsion because of the
33:09violent conduct where you had an incident where somebody almost died and was beaten what's your
33:13what's your thoughts about that well um i don't mind if you expel a child but to expel a child you have to
33:20someone to put them to remember you're still a child exactly if you understand so you can just take
33:24a child out of school because they have a little violent tendency and then just what lead them out in the
33:27world here now then what it could only get worse so to expel a child yes i get it mom banana seven apple
33:38so to expel a child to me i think it should have some way to put the children after you expel them
33:44like you know some kind of military academy something where they could still understand and
33:48get learning you know something like that however you can just expel our child it's all playing them
33:52somewhere and you think their actions your parents should be blamed in some measure of take responsibility
33:59for it um to tell you it should but you don't know what going on in homes you don't know what
34:05some parents going through what type of home with a single parent you don't know if a parent working
34:10all the time i don't even know already going on with the child yes you can hold a parent responsible
34:15but you have things going now you have to be the time more tight let me just say time more tight it's not just
34:19the parents because how often a child around your parents when they come sometimes parents go to
34:25work a child go to school most hours of the day by the time you come home maybe your parent not even
34:28home until that later hour parent tired to even know what really going on with you so it's not
34:33just it's the parenting but it has to do with the whole society and all the adults around dealing with
34:38the child when they come
34:43well sergeant alias sure i'm sure you were listening intently to the gentleman's contribution there about
34:48school violence and what could be done comments i like the word that you use mark listening
34:53attentively um to the comments you know i always have um the joy of listening to members of the
34:59public and you know i must also acknowledge your line of inquiry you know looking at the topical
35:04issues when you're looking at school violence um but i think the the citizens have provided a lot for
35:12us to think about and you know that the latter part of it in terms of you know when you ask him you
35:16know yes we are looking at the children and we know that there's a need for um intervention where
35:20the children is concerned but you were so accurate and on point to say well okay what about the parents
35:24and i think that this is where i will you know comment in terms of we are we must be look we must be
35:31inclined to look at the holistic um in terms of looking at both the students or the children as
35:37the case may be and the parents because you never know where the gap may be that we need to so there's
35:42not a mistake okay that the children are exhibiting delinquency yeah and you know place them into a
35:47particular institution in order to rehabilitate them when you finish rehabilitate what happens they go
35:51back to the same place where they may be what they go back to the same um behavior so what we need to
35:58do is now examine it in its entirety to determine exactly if there's an issue with the child if there's
36:03an issue with the home including if there are issues of poverty and other ills that we can deal with
36:08um by bringing other state agencies so it must be approached in a holistic manner but again excellent
36:13mark thanks a lot for that contribution we have a call on the line caller good evening
36:24i call a good evening
36:30i think you need to mute your tv set first caller all right caller good evening
36:34hi hi good evening um mark and sergeant ali good evening to you sir uh sergeant ali this one is for
36:43you last week we would have seen on social media a post where a gentleman came with a vehicle and was
36:51dealing another um citizen some blows um and it might have been suggested that the gentleman might have
37:00been a police officer for police officer first or then a regiment um officer my question is
37:09what would have happened what is your opinion on if that gentleman who got the blows was gifted
37:17and he subsequently fearing for his life used the tool that he was given to protect his life
37:25and it resulted in the the demise of the gentleman who was handling the blue who was dealing the blows
37:34how would that be viewed by police you know and the authorities if you could just shed some light on that
37:40that scenario for me please thank you very much cola mark a beautiful and a very sensitive question yeah and
37:48you know it's i can go for the entire evening to explain those circumstances but the the gist of the
37:54gist here is this if a person is attacked in other words there is no legitimacy and a person is attacked and
38:01that person who's attacked believe that their life is in immediate danger that person in law is authorized to use force as
38:10as it's reasonable in the circumstances to prevent any loss of life or harm to that individual so
38:17the gist of the gist is if there's no legitimacy in a situation where someone attacks someone so let
38:23us put it in the context now hypothetically just in case it was a police or a defense force officer
38:29if there was no legitimacy on the part of the defense force officer or the police
38:32to engage that individual in other words a case in point there was no there was
38:36no commission of any crime for those officers to be engaging the individual then it means therefore
38:42that there will be no need to come into contact it means that that now amounts to what an assault
38:46at minimum so if that person believed their life is in danger and there's no legitimacy then that
38:52person in law the criminal law section 4 of the criminal law gives you the power the authority
38:59sorry to use such force as reasonable any circumstances in the prevention of crime and we could even run
39:04across to the case law that speaks about self-defense which is the case of our versus palmer that talks
39:10about the same um where a person apprehends immediate and immediate unlawful violence on his or her person
39:16or some a person life is an immediate danger they can use force that is reasonable or proportionate in
39:22these circumstances but again caller an excellent way of thinking and mark that is why i'm saying that when we are
39:27speaking about um the law and looking at um use of force there are so many circumstances that can prevail
39:37in relation to the application so it's not a simple um you know toss of the coin to say that you know that
39:44um every situation you can say okay this is the recipe for that particular situation it has to be judged on
39:49its circumstances because every circumstances may vary but caller thank you very much for engaging me and a very
39:55excellent and you know pointed question thanks again caller and we're going to take a short break and we'll be
40:00back with more calls stay with us
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42:46welcome back to be on the tape i'm your host mark basant it's legally speaking wednesdays and with us
43:05today acting sergeant zakir ali attorney at law with the trinidad and tobago police service
43:12and we have a call on the line caller good evening oh good evening um i had an incident
43:19um with officers that i'd like to share and i thought i got some guidance sure go ahead
43:26so um in 12 months of this year march i was at the draw station with the content side of the gas
43:34of the car and i went to the police station and i went there they're telling me that the incident happened
43:55in another police district however they would allow me to make the report but it will take a while to get
44:01the report to the respective um station i said okay i made the report i said how long they said two
44:08weeks i said okay no problem um two weeks later i went to the other police station that they were
44:15supposed to send reports they said they have they have not received anything about a month later i went
44:21they said they haven't received anything they made a call to the first police station and they said they
44:26were sent it that day they were sent it that day they eventually sent it and they said on the
44:31designated officer would be assigned in about two weeks and i would get a call i have been to that
44:37police station a few times to check them into them because the lady damaged my vehicle as well as
44:42i felt that i was only by the company come in the model in the car i had uh in something back seat in a
44:48in the car seat as well and she just drove off and we are in july i have not been contracted no investigating
44:56or because i've been assigned and this is in march they took a long time ago it was highly highly
45:02intoxicated highly intoxicated and she just drove off they never went to look for her however as a person
45:10that well so where's uniform i i advocate for the ttps and and services right i've never had that
45:17influence when you run in any kind of the load and this experience has caused me to alter my perception
45:25basically because it wasn't a good experience this is the first time i've had to leave a report ever
45:31and it wasn't a good experience because that means that when i signed up on here in july
45:37i still have the damage on my car and i'm i'm i'm also aware of information they retrieved um
45:46which regards to just having a license plate there are also two organizations that's nearby that have
45:51footage of the interim but they were in lockdown to release it to me they said a police officer has to
45:56come and get it no officer has to choose footage from that fee but am i just to wait out do nothing
46:07okay caller thank you very much for your um for the information and again what you have reported if
46:13in fact it's along those lines that's totally unacceptable and i say that on public um um in
46:19the public forum that's unacceptable in terms of the response however i want to urge you you know not to
46:24lose trust and confidence in the police service and please leave your number with uh our producer and
46:29you know i give you the assurance i'll deal with it immediately um when i come off someone will call
46:33you and we'll try and treat with it from there but again unfortunate but please maintain your trust and
46:37confidence for the police service those who may be similarly circumstance um among the citizenry who
46:44are having these sort of problems you know i want you to continue to be persistent um this is your police
46:50service your police service we have a duty and a responsibility to protect and serve with pride
46:57and we must force the officers to protect and serve with pride and we can only do that if you
47:03all are persistent so i'm happy that you have used this forum to bring it to the attention and i'll
47:07deal with it immediately as a matter of fact this is something that i'll bring to the the attention of
47:11the police commissioner as well all right uh sitting in a very serious situation and we hope that uh
47:16that matter is resolved in the quickest possible manner yes we have another caller on the line caller good
47:22evening good evening good evening gentlemen good evening sir copper ali sir good evening to you so
47:29how are you doing i am okay speaking about noise pollution sir i just want to say and i hope the
47:36executives of the police service are listening to this program i i assume that they do and i just have
47:44to say that one of the avenues that have to be looked at when noise pollution is going to be addressed
47:53is that is that police officers need to be retrained and educated about noise it seems that there are not
48:04it seems sorry there are too many police officers who have no understanding no regard no respect for people
48:13making noise complaints but it also seems to me that there is a silent but powerful i don't want to
48:21call them uh uh uh that seem to be using their silence but their power to stop this from being addressed
48:31i'm watching at this but you know notwithstanding that i'm saying to you again that police officers need
48:38to step up the executive need to ensure because um corporately um sergeant ali sorry let me tell you
48:45something that's all right that's all right sir the executive and the police service must understand
48:49something citizens are not stupid right citizens are aware that and i have seen police officers
48:57lying by a lot of these offending bags right some of them work at some of these offending bags
49:03some of them own or operate offending bars i have seen brand new police vehicles pack up in front of
49:09bars for hours you know and the police executive has to be has to understand that the perception of the
49:19public where the police is concerned is very important especially when you keep asking us to assist the police
49:26to assist people you can't keep assisting your when you are not assisting us with something that is
49:32hitting us home in our home and like it seems that that message is not going out there you know this
49:38needs to be addressed it needs to be addressed since last week and police need to step up and the
49:44cars also not just the bad the cars okay sir thank you all right uh sydney uh you know something that uh we
49:52would like you to make a comment on but we're going to take a short break and we'll be back with his
49:56comments stay with us
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53:08welcome back to be on the tape i'm your host mark besant at legally speaking wednesdays and today
53:23with us of course sergeant zahe rally of the trinidad and tobago police service and attorney
53:27at law and i must tell you i've i've seen at times police vehicles parked at bars sometimes for hours
53:32at times you know people raise that they might take pictures and send it as well it's also posted
53:38on social media we had an incident a couple months ago i believe where the police officers were seen
53:44playing pool and consuming beverages in a bar of course that is also under investigation well mark you
53:50know just to respond to the previous scholar and you know caller you're absolutely right you're
53:57absolutely right with reference to how you have treated with the issue of noise pollution and one
54:04key thing that he said mark and is important and i always try to echo this among the ranks and file
54:09every time i get an opportunity knowledge of the profession and knowledge of the profession will take you
54:14into understanding if you are a law enforcement officer if you are patrol officer you must appreciate and
54:21understand the offenses that may be prevalent and how to go about detecting those offenses so caller you're
54:29very right in terms of where perhaps there may be a need to have an intervention with reference to education
54:37identification of these offenses the evidence to ignite these elements of the offenses in order to have
54:43persons placed before the court so again um an area that is ripe for enforcement implementation and reform
54:51um in some areas so again i want to give you the assurance mark what i've noticed today this afternoon
54:57is that all the callers have basically called who have tested the structure and systems of the police
55:04service and very very pointed and piercing um issues that um they have table here this afternoon and um
55:11you know this is this is the sort of response that we are looking for from the citizens of trinidad and
55:15tobago so that we can be pushing our officers to be able to you know respond and respond appropriately especially
55:22and the issue that he raised in terms of noise pollution mark i have always said
55:26what may be a simple summary offense in terms of noise pollution if it's not managed properly forget
55:31about the health issue for now can easily move into a situation where there's a murder well i certainly
55:36hope in terms of you know some callers spoke about the conduct of police officers taking reports uh they spoke
55:44about officers being seen uh parked up at bars for long hours it's a reflection on the ttps
55:51and people lose confidence as one of the callers indicated she lost confidence because she's been
55:55waiting so long after this this incident yes uh to get a proper report and find out what's happening and
56:00then there is no recourse and it reflects badly on those hard-working officers yes and the ttps who's
56:06trying to make a difference and you know you could not have said it better mark in terms of where the
56:12majority of the police officers are hard-working police officers who are committed and dedicated to
56:15dedicated to protect and serve with pride but like in any other organization you're going to get
56:19persons who are not passionate about what they do they're not sensitive to understand that when
56:24persons are calling you they are not looking for friendship they are looking for you to resolve an
56:28issue and resolve an issue because you are empowered with the authority in law to be able to treat
56:33with the situation so again callers i want to thank you very much for your submission this afternoon
56:38um to the citizenry of trinidad and tobago markers where you know where we begin i want to thank you for
56:43your encouragement your inspiration one thing i'll let you all know the feedback that i get from you
56:48is what drives me on a weekly basis to come and interact with you and i want to thank those who
56:52came up mark and who echo the sentiments you know for your good self for tv6 for beyond the tape um
56:59with the work that has been done and i want to assure you all that i'll try and continue to do my utmost best
57:04for to promote safety and security in trinidad and tobago so mark thank you very much as always
57:09all right all i know i just say is one bad apple spoils the whole bunch and if we are able to
57:15weed out those bad apples uh in the ttps and by extension across uh various uh sectors and and areas
57:23we we can obviously have a better police service and you know and people that their faith and their
57:28confidence will grow because they will see that these officers really care yeah and it's important for
57:34the public officers and i'm not going to go speak to tps alone public officers appreciate the
57:39responsibility that is placed on them all right we'll have to leave it there for now we run tonight
57:44at 11 30 another we run tomorrow at 11 o'clock the tv6 news is up next and stay with us and we'll see you
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