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04:32And, of course, today's Thursday, as we continue to see cleanup efforts from Jamaica,
04:38of course, by the horrendous hurricane, Melissa, over about two days ago.
04:44And, of course, they're still counting the number of persons that would have died.
04:50I think the last figure was six.
04:52And, of course, there are several places that still remain inaccessible to the authorities
04:57as they try to, you know, pick through debris, fallen trees,
05:03and other things as they try to get to areas in West Jamaica
05:06that are virtually cut off from the rest of other towns or, rather, the city of Kingston.
05:13And today, of course, with us is none other than ASP Ishmael Pitt of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
05:21Welcome, sir. How have you been?
05:23Thank you, Mark. Good evening to you. Good evening to Trinidad and Tobago.
05:26I've been too bad. More importantly, how have you been?
05:29So far, so good.
05:30Yeah. Excellent. Excellent. A lot have been happening.
05:33Yes.
05:33I know you're on top of things.
05:35And we trust that, you know, going forward into the weekend, you know,
05:39persons could see what we call brighter days.
05:42Yes, certainly. And, I mean, as you said, a lot has been happening in our neighboring country of Jamaica
05:47with the unfortunate events of the hurricane over the last few days.
05:53Yeah.
05:53And, I mean, as Sergeant Ali pointed out yesterday, we have to take stock of our own here
05:58and have proper preparations for any kind of emergency
06:03because, you know, sometimes when we experience heavy rainfall, here in Trinidad and Tobago,
06:08just heavy rainfall by a tropical depression, we have a lot of issues.
06:12Of course. So, we subscribe to the adage, when your neighbor's house is on fire, look out for yours.
06:19Yes?
06:20Sure.
06:20So, yeah, preparation is important. Preparation is important.
06:24And, you know, when you look at disaster management, in terms of the cycle,
06:28preparation is a significant part of the disaster management cycle.
06:32So, it is important that, you know, as a society, we take heed in relation to what is happening around us
06:37and we put things in place so that in the event, God forbid, that we are to fall within those circumstances,
06:44we are fully prepared to treat with it.
06:46Yes, of course.
06:47And, of course, another story that a lot of people have been eyeing over the last, I'd say, five to six days
06:54or even before that is that geopolitical issue as it pertains to between the U.S. and Venezuela
06:59and Trinidad and Tobago, of course, you know, having the U.S. personnel, U.S. Escrevely,
07:08coming to Trinidad on Sunday and also some other helicopters and so on that were here
07:16for a training exercise that lasted the better part of four days.
07:20The U.S. Escrevely pictured here, of course, left this morning at approximately 9 a.m.
07:27and was soon followed by the helicopters.
07:31I had some video of some persons who were on a border vessel in the Shagaramas area
07:38that saw the helicopters leaving maybe around between 10, 10.30, give or take.
07:44So, Sidney, of course, we are still looking at that whole situation.
07:50I'm sure not just us here but the international media and the world is looking on
07:55because it's not something that we are accustomed to seeing in the Caribbean Sea,
08:00this buildup of U.S. military personnel.
08:03Yeah, it's indeed what we'll call new territory in relation to the environment that we are presently faced with.
08:10But we trust that things would work out at the end of the day.
08:14We are hoping, as I said sometime last week, that God is a treaty, things work out, you know,
08:19and we could remain in that peaceful type of environment that we are accustomed to.
08:23Yeah, certainly.
08:24And, of course, close out of home now, somebody that was near and dear to the heart of Trinidad and Svego
08:29and would have served in his capacity as a commissioner of police here between the years of 2010 and 2012.
08:37Mr. Dwayne Gibbs, who was also his deputy, was a Jackie Watsky.
08:44Unfortunately, he would have passed on October 16th while attending a sporting event in Australia.
08:50And Commissioner of Police, Alistair Guevara, was sending out a release today reminding the nation, rather, of his tenure
08:59and saying that during his tenure he brought a wealth of international experience,
09:04a steadfast commitment to modern policing, and a deep dedication to public service.
09:10Mr. Gibbs worked to implement reforms aimed at enhancing the professionalism
09:14and effectiveness of our national police service, and he was widely respected for his integrity, discipline,
09:21and unwavering belief in the power of ethical leadership.
09:25His passion for fitness and personal excellence was evident throughout his life,
09:31and it is a testament to his character that he remained active and engaged in competitive sport well into his 70s.
09:39So the Commissioner of Police, Mr. Guevara, on behalf of him and others,
09:44and the wider law enforcement family, extend their heartfelt condolences to the family and friends of Mr. Gibbs,
09:54both in Canada, across the world, and also here in Trinidad and Tobago.
09:58Yes, it's really a sad day.
10:01He was one of our commissioners within what we call a really, really significant period.
10:07And what stood out was his passion for fitness.
10:13So it could be argued that amongst the commissioners he could come in for, you know, one of the fittest commissioners,
10:21and that level of discipline, you know, just the way he carried himself,
10:24and he was able to bring that international type standard in terms of forging new units that still exist today in the police service
10:33that treat to the whole issue of ethics, integrity, and professional standards.
10:38You interacted with him at any time you recall?
10:42Brief interactions, yes.
10:43Very, very young officer.
10:45Yes, indeed, I did.
10:46But I know at least you would have had some kind of interaction.
10:49Yes, very, very young officer.
10:49I know it might have been fleeting, but of course you would have recalled the kind of person he was or his demeanor when you met him.
10:57Yeah, well, you know, there's always in paramilitary organizations,
11:02when as a junior officer you engage your senior officers, you know,
11:06you always see them as this authoritative type of figure.
11:09However, he made the experience, you know, less stressful, and, you know, he was very receptive at the point in time.
11:18He did not pay a lot of fun and things like that that in some instances could come with that type of rank.
11:25But nonetheless, he wore the uniform, all things being considered,
11:30with that level of professionalism, respect, integrity, dignity, and excellence that, you know,
11:35are in sync, really, in terms of our watchwords and our code of ethics.
11:40Yes, certainly.
11:41Right, and I hope, you know, he rests in peace and, of course, the best sympathies to his family.
11:48All right, we're moving on to, you know, a quite disturbing trend over the last 24 hours.
11:53We had three homicides, two, well, I'd say rather all in east of Port of Spain.
12:00The first one, of course, around 2 a.m. this morning, while Mr. Miguel Lawrence was leaving the Val Park Plaza,
12:10Shopping Plaza, in the car park area, he was shot and killed by two gunmen as he approached his vehicle.
12:19Miguel Lawrence is there identified, certainly around 2 o'clock, leaving the establishment of a nearby nightclub and going to his car.
12:29And, of course, it was also still a busy time in that area.
12:32There are other number of restaurants and lounges still open, and there were also other persons in the car park
12:40who would have been alarmed after hearing the gunshots, would have ran for cover and so on.
12:45Yeah.
12:46Well, yes, you know, condolences to his family, friends, colleagues,
12:49and we are hopeful that anyone who has information that can provide that type of support to our investigative procedures
12:58could come forward with that information, 555-800-TIPS, you know, the Homicide Region 2.
13:03We are really in need of that level of partnership in order to treat issues of this nature and bring persons to account.
13:10Yes, certainly.
13:10And this morning, we also had a homicide in the Tunapuna area.
13:17Police believe that the person identified as 66, sorry, yesterday morning, 66-year-old Subhash Ranjitsingh of Guli Street,
13:27Paje Main Road, Tunapuna.
13:29He was discovered in a bushy area off Cemetery Street, Wendy Hillaruka,
13:32and they believed he was killed for a Chevrolet Colorado pickup because persons in that area heard the gunshots
13:43and they later saw this vehicle that was owned by Mr. Ranjitsingh leaving the area in a hurry.
13:50Yeah.
13:50Based on the reports I read in the Express and the other media.
13:54So, certainly, a really sad, you know, situation where he would have been perhaps hijacked by these assailants,
14:03taken to this area here, shot and killed, and his vehicle stolen.
14:08Yeah.
14:09Ruthless, heartless, brutal.
14:11Again, anyone with information, please communicate with 800-TIPS-555, Homicide Region 2,
14:18or the nearest police station.
14:19Condolences to his friends and families.
14:21Indeed, and on Wednesday night, police also received a call along the Antigua Road in Wallerfield
14:27where they went and they found an unidentified man, they believe in his late 30s.
14:35He was shot in his car several times, a silver Nissan Tida.
14:41I don't know if he was in some way told to meet someone there.
14:45He was put in place in some measure, but residents would have reported.
14:50If he had gunshots and they would have contacted the police who got onto the scene
14:54and found this unidentified male in the vehicle.
14:59Yeah, and again, you know, it was a very dark night as far as homicides are concerned in the East-West Corridor.
15:07Again, condolences to his family, friends, colleagues, and persons.
15:12Anyone with information, 800-TIPS-555, nearest police station, Homicide Region 2.
15:17So, you know, it's sort of like a rollercoaster ride at times.
15:23We have been doing a tremendous job, and I'm not saying it from just the perspective of a police service,
15:28but as a society.
15:30We are over 200 murders less than the same period last year.
15:34And, you know, ever so often, we are reminded that as much as we are not where we used to be,
15:40we are still not where we want to be.
15:41We want to be, yes.
15:42Yes, and it's for that reason that we continue to ask members of the public,
15:46please continue to partner with us.
15:48You know, we want to ask persons to continue to pay cognizance to the fact that we can also look at target-hardening,
15:59situational awareness, and the whole factor of being fully alert as to our environment.
16:04Now, again, this has nothing to do with the incidents that occurred last night,
16:08but we need to, as a society, understand the times that we are in
16:13and ensure that we are making the appropriate decisions when we traverse the nation's roadway,
16:20even when we are within our homes.
16:22If it is that we are at a venture somewhere in the quest for jollification,
16:27it is very important that we take safety and security as a pillar, as a priority,
16:33as something that is very significant.
16:34All right, so I hope that everyone heeds your advice to ASP PIT.
16:40All right, it's day 104 of the state of, sorry, day 105 of the state of emergency.
16:47We just wanted to bring you up to date with the figures.
16:50Number of operations, 7,593.
16:55Target priority offenders, 2,575.
16:58Searches conducted, 50,059.
17:01Traffic operations, 5,112.
17:04Total persons arrested, 3,290.
17:09Traffic offenses detected, 30,529.
17:13Farms recovered remains the same, 192.
17:17Ammunition recovered remains the same, 2,510.
17:20Dangerous drugs seized, another rise in cannabis,
17:23629,432.98 grams of cannabis.
17:27Of course, of course, also rise in cocaine, 8,930.65 grams of cocaine.
17:34That's to say, and Molly remains the same.
17:37Yeah.
17:37So, we continue to soldier on in terms of our additional powers.
17:43We have been able to gain a tremendous amount of success as far as the powers have afforded us during the period of the SOE.
17:51And, you know, we would want the public to understand the efforts, the lengths that police officers go on a day-to-day basis in order to realize the type of success, the type of seizures that we are experiencing.
18:05I've said it before.
18:08It comes up on paper, and it appears as statistics.
18:12Yeah.
18:12But there are a lot of work that goes into it, a lot of sacrifice.
18:17Persons are leaving their homes to ensure that our nation is safe.
18:21And all we are asking is that persons partner with us, that we take some level of responsibility regarding our own personal safety and that of our loved ones.
18:33All right.
18:34Let's take a quick look now at our headlines.
18:51So, those are some of the headlines over the last 24 hours.
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21:55Welcome back to Beyond the Table.
22:10I'm your host, Mark Busson.
22:10Of course, joined today by ASP Ishmael Pitt of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
22:15And we're supposed to have like a bump here, but ASP Pits updates.
22:19Right, so sometime last week we had a caller, a frequent caller, and, you know, he has a passion in terms of, and rightfully so, he has a passion in terms of how law enforcement treats with the situation of noise, right?
22:36Loud music, noise within the community, and even those that may emanate from vehicles.
22:42So, I committed to providing some statistics this afternoon regarding the amount of tickets that have been issued for the year to date in terms of loud music emanating from motor vehicles.
22:58And that figure is 363.
23:01Now, I want us to take that 363 into context.
23:06363 doesn't mean to say that the officers did not have that interaction, that type of engagement with persons who may have been playing their music loudly coming from motor vehicles.
23:19It could be that persons were also warned, which is also a common policing approach.
23:26And in local colloquial language, you may call it a blight.
23:30So, at times, it may give persons a blight.
23:32There are other instances, which is something that is very common.
23:35It is practical, and I know that a lot of persons could relate it, where persons may observe police activity taking place up the road.
23:43And for that reason, they may just lower their music until they pass the road check area.
23:51It does mean to say, Kola, because I'm certain that he's with us, does mean to say that there isn't room for improvement where that is concerned.
24:00We are always open to suggestions and recommendations in terms of how we can treat with these issues.
24:05Because once it impacts the community, you know, it impacts what we call quality of life type of issues.
24:14And, you know, we would want to ensure that our members of our communities are better off.
24:19So, through our TONG meetings, which occurs in almost every station district throughout Trinidad and Tobago,
24:27we ask persons to provide that level of feedback.
24:29And that feedback is to show us where we can improve, where we may be going wrong, where we can do things a bit differently.
24:38So, yes, we are treated with the issue from both perspective of issuing of tickets, issuing of warnings.
24:47But possibly, there might be another way by which you could ensure that the level of effectiveness in itself could improve.
24:55Yeah, well, I'm glad that you brought that to the attention of our viewers.
24:59I know a number of viewers call here from time to time passionately talking about noise pollution.
25:05And it's good that ESP Pit can actually give an update in reference.
25:10There are a number of tickets that have been issued for the year, yes?
25:13Yes, 363.
25:14Yes, 363.
25:15So, definitely, I know you said that there is room for improvement.
25:19But definitely, the police is doing something contrary to what other places might think.
25:24So, caller, or callers rather, you know, if you're seeing somebody, take your number plate so that maybe down the road,
25:31the police might be able to identify this, this car is playing loud music and it might be stopped at somewhere else.
25:38Exactly.
25:39And, you know, improvement doesn't mean to say that an increase in the issue of tickets.
25:45It could also mean, as I said before, cheating with it in other ways, where we can have drivers now become more responsible and become more socially friendly and become more respectful of the environment and the communities that they may traverse with their motor vehicles.
26:03So, it is very important to look at it from the different lengths.
26:08You know, there are persons who would love to see the furtherance of tickets being issued.
26:13And then there are other persons who might say, well, police too wicked.
26:18Yeah, well, when you talk about the furtherance and so on, we think about Sergeant Alina's new portfolio.
26:24Yes.
26:24Director of Policy and Community Support under the Homeland Security Ministry.
26:29I got it right, if you're listening.
26:31And, yeah, definitely, this is an area he will be looking at as well, along with other areas, as he tries to tweak certain policies as it relates to law enforcement.
26:40Yes.
26:41And perhaps you would have met with him already and discussed things.
26:45Indeed, indeed, indeed, indeed.
26:46So, I'll take that as a yes.
26:48Yes, of course.
26:50Well, it's no secret that I...
26:53Ah, was I right or not?
26:55A little birdie told me.
26:57It's no secret that I hold another hat.
27:00Yes.
27:01I'm the vice president of the association.
27:03And within recent weeks, I have been acting in the capacity as the president.
27:08Yeah.
27:09So, yes, we met with Mr. Ali to treat with issues surrounding police officers.
27:16And, you know, the transit police on this occasion came up for a lot of the engagements, a lot of the discussions.
27:23Because those officers, they're a tremendous bunch of officers who have been doing a lot.
27:30Ordinary people doing extraordinary things.
27:32But they are not without issues.
27:34And we are grateful that we were able to meet with the director on such short notice.
27:39The discussions were very encouraging.
27:41Just the fact that he was able now to be so receptive.
27:47Yeah.
27:47And we had some...
27:48We had a transit officer who was present, you know.
27:50And he was able to pass on the information to his colleagues.
27:54You know, and it has placed some level of motivation already on the ground.
27:58So, Mr. Ali, we thank you very much.
28:00And we look forward to your continued support in terms of improving the standards and the working environment for police officers as a whole.
28:08Because the man is already on the ground in less than 24 hours, so to speak.
28:14All right, Sergeant Ali, carry on.
28:16All right, grab our first caller on the line.
28:17Caller, good evening and welcome to be on the tape.
28:20Yes, good to you, Mr. Mark and Sergeant Pitt.
28:24Good day, sir.
28:25My suggestion, because a lot of people ignore about the law.
28:29And then you tell me to go online to find out the offenses are it.
28:34Okay, why can the station have the station get about 500 booklets and sell it to the public for less than $10?
28:45People will have it up, people will buy it, people don't know the offenses.
28:48And I hope that one day, all police systems will have these books for the public apply.
28:56And also, all police stations will have an 800 toll-free number for the public.
29:02Thank you, sir.
29:04Okay, thank you very much.
29:06Well, at this point in time, we do have a toll-free number, and it is 999.
29:10It is not limited to any station.
29:12However, they will direct you to whatever station district,
29:15or they will direct the responses for the respective station district to whatever your situation is.
29:21concerning the, and his suggestion is providing a document that can identify the different offenses
29:30for members of the public to be sensitized at a particular cost.
29:33And, Kola, I'm hoping that I got you correct.
29:36But I'm pleased to state today that, you know, we have everything online.
29:44And we are able now to go and check through the different books,
29:46the Motor Vehicle and Road Traffic Act 4850,
29:48and we are able to identify the different offenses as road users,
29:53and even street offenses under the Summary Offenses Act,
29:57offenses against the persons as well.
29:59So, you know, we are in an information age,
30:04and everything more or less is at your fingertips.
30:08You can Google and you can have access to the laws of Chirin and Tobago,
30:12and, you know, put yourself in that position where you are,
30:17with what it is happening so that you can make prudent decisions
30:21and you don't run afoul of the law, so to speak.
30:24Yeah?
30:25I said ignorance is not an excuse in this instance now that we have everything.
30:29It was never an excuse, but that statement now is even more pronounced.
30:34Exactly.
30:34Yeah.
30:35You know, you have it right in front of you.
30:37Once you have internet access, you're good to go.
30:39Yes.
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32:45Welcome back to being on the tape.
33:14Welcome back to being on the tape.
33:44Welcome back to being on the tape.
33:46Obviously, police are still trying to ascertain a motive for this shooting.
33:51That would make it four homicides in the last 24 hours odd.
33:57Yes, as I said, you know, it was a dark period in the east-west corridor as far as homicides are concerned.
34:04And again, condolences to his family and friends.
34:08And we ask anyone with information regarding this incident to please communicate with 800-TIPS-555, Homicide Region 2.
34:16So that, again, we can get some level of accountability where this is concerned.
34:21Yes, certainly.
34:21And, you know, in the same way, we want to express our sympathies to the family of Mark Ramdan, a young man who lost his life in a rather freakish accident yesterday evening along the Revellette Road in Coover.
34:39And you would see the vehicle there.
34:41Apparently, he was heading in the opposite direction of that trailer truck that you just saw in the video there, the blue trailer truck there.
34:50And we understand, based on the police reports, that one of the wheels of that trailer truck became detached, as a consequence of which I think the entire trailer derailed.
35:02And in so doing, would have slammed into his car, flinging it, of course, to the side of the roadway and killing him instantly.
35:13Yeah.
35:14Really, really sad.
35:15And, you know, I've been saying condolences for the entirety of the evening.
35:21And, you know, I can't stop it.
35:22This is the trailer involved in the accident and the truck, you know.
35:25And it also brings to this question of safety of these heavy vehicles as well, the ASP pit.
35:34You know, sometimes you see some of them driving, moving around with less tires than they're supposed to have.
35:41Or the trailer is sitting, or the container, rather, is sitting on that extended part without being properly secured even.
35:53Yeah.
35:54They're sitting clamps, you know.
35:56And this tire detaches and the trailer just, I guess, chuck knives.
36:01But we will always say that, firstly, accidents will happen.
36:06Yeah.
36:07But we will always say as well that most accidents can be avoided.
36:12Surely.
36:13And, again, I must say this is not prejudice, this accident.
36:19But generally speaking, it is important that road safety is maintained.
36:24And road safety is what?
36:26Everybody's business, Mark.
36:27Everybody's business.
36:28If it is that we have our vehicles inspected, if it is that we obey the laws of the roadway, if it is that we drive with that level of decency and we accept that level of responsibility,
36:44then we are of the view, which is based on evidence, that we are going to get less road carnage, less accidents, generally speaking.
36:53Yeah.
36:53Well said.
36:54All right.
36:55I think we have another caller on the line.
36:56Caller, good evening, and welcome to be on the tape.
36:58You're live.
36:59Good afternoon, Mr. Mark Bassan and A.S.P. Pitt.
37:05Afternoon, sir.
37:07Mr. Pitt.
37:08Yes, sir.
37:09Mr. Pitt.
37:10Yes, sir.
37:11There are two events that are occurring close to each other.
37:16And the first event is the passing away of doing great performance, you'll be, and I want to offer my condolence to him and his family if they are listening globally.
37:27Yeah.
37:28Why I am focusing on that?
37:32I want to do it with the election of the TDPS, Welfare Association, sometime soon.
37:40Yes, next week, Monday.
37:41Beautiful.
37:42Beautiful.
37:43I'm glad you know that.
37:45I have a very good memory.
37:48And wives, too, who was here, if he did his full term, the TDPS would have been in a better place.
37:56At that point, the TDPSWA was adversarial to him performing his job.
38:10A lot of the officers, including the sergeant who was the president, made a lot of adversarial comments on his performance.
38:20You can go back on the newspaper and you'll see it.
38:22So, while I'm saying that, I'm hoping that a new executive, I think you have thrown your hat into it, does not do that to my current commission of police.
38:39I'm watching you as a citizen.
38:42I am watching and I'm talking.
38:45It must not be an executive would have another day of policing.
38:49It must not be an executive that who have risen to the top, those same executives at that point in time, that failed us with their policing.
39:01And I'm hoping the new executive, I'm agitated for a totally different mindset for the new executive.
39:08The second point is, I would like to know, you see that confederate that fell and killed the personnel?
39:19We were talking about preparedness, disaster management.
39:24How long it takes to clear that road and how much traffic it caused.
39:28So, yes, we have to be safe on the road, yes, but we have to plan to overcome the disaster in the shortest space of time.
39:37That is what disaster preparedness is.
39:39Not only the corrective action, but the preventive action.
39:43I'm going to have a nice evening.
39:44Yeah.
39:45Thank you very much, sir.
39:46So, you mentioned that a previous executive of the association, when Mr. Gibbs was in office, you know, they had some words that didn't sit well with him.
40:00I can't at this point in time reflect or see with any certainty what it is was said at that point in time, but clearly it didn't sit well with the caller.
40:09And he's asking that whoever assumes the position as executive of this august body, that, you know, they don't repeat from his lens the mistakes of the past.
40:25Yeah.
40:26What I would say is this.
40:28Association business is serious business.
40:32And it treats with welfare, well-being of officers.
40:36And it is such that regardless of who is responsible for the issue, that your voice is heard.
40:47Yeah, definitely.
40:48It is a job that you must be fearless because you are bringing the concerns of officers towards the persons who are responsible for their tenureship.
41:01And you cannot cower, you cannot be slighted, and you cannot be deterred in that regard.
41:11So, if it is that you believe that there should be a level of compromise in terms of that contract that you have signed off with your membership regarding your ability to represent, then that job is not for you.
41:30It doesn't mean to say, caller, that on the other hand, you will just be a rebel without a cause and just be noisy for being noisy's sake.
41:41We have to be practical.
41:42We have to be real.
41:43And definitely, we have to be supportive of our administration.
41:48But everything must be taken into context.
41:50And it's a matter of respecting each other's roles so we can go forward and do things respectfully because at the end of the day, everything channels into productivity.
42:01If we have a workforce that is well cared for, well catered for, well resourced, then that workforce is going to be much more productive, much more motivated, and the society as a whole will feel much safer.
42:22So, everything connects.
42:24Everything connects.
42:25Well, as I said, I don't think from the onset, you all or whoever gets, assumes that role, would set out to be adversarial to the commissioner.
42:35Yes.
42:36But you have to, as all things equal.
42:39That's right.
42:39Depending on the situation or the circumstances or a particular subject matter or something that needs to be brought to the attention of the relative personnel, you have to bring it to the relative personnel.
42:52That's right.
42:52To the betterment of the officers that you represent.
42:55That's right.
42:55And we always argue, we always argue, Mark, that the betterment of officers redound to the betterment of each and every individual in the society.
43:07Because our job is safeguarding the society.
43:10Yeah.
43:10And if we are properly, well, looked after, so to speak, then obviously you're going to get a better product going forward.
43:18You're going to get a better police officer going forward.
43:20You're going to get a better police organization going forward.
43:24So, we all want the same thing.
43:27It just means that, you know, as I said before, we have different roles and we must be able to respect the roles that we have.
43:34And it's not a case of because you have a particular role that you're going to be openly disrespectful and, you know, you withdraw that level of support.
43:43That is not modern representation, you know.
43:46And, you know, there must be an evolution in terms of how we go about doing our business.
43:51Because, as police officers, there's a large responsibility attached to every single decision that we make.
43:59Yeah.
43:59Well said.
44:00Yeah.
44:00All right.
44:01So, Cole, I hope that he answered your question two times over.
44:05All right.
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46:16Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
46:21I'm your host, Mark Bassan, of course, joined today by ASP Ishmael Pitt of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
46:28And I do believe you have another caller in the line.
46:30Caller, good evening, and welcome to Beyond the Tape.
46:32You're live.
46:33Yeah, good evening, sir.
46:34Yeah, good evening, sir.
46:35I'd like to say to my former brother, I propose to be a successful candidate, come Monday.
46:49But I must say, like I'll tell you, this is your follow-up question.
46:54I know something that is comfortable with you.
46:56But you call her a bit more for that, please.
47:00You're a bit more for that.
47:01Call her, one second.
47:03You're a bit more for that.
47:05I don't know if there's some problem with the connection or maybe, you know, move around a bit.
47:10Just so we can, if you're on speaker, of course.
47:13Let's try again.
47:14Call her, good evening.
47:16Good evening, gentlemen.
47:17Much better.
47:18I was going to call her Inspector Pitt for this one to the previous caller.
47:22Yeah, thank you, sir.
47:22He was my fellow brother, I'm a associate, association associate.
47:28Well, I just say, in terms of what the equivalent of the executive police, people have to realize that the executive who is in front of the case of the association, they can't do anything by their assumption.
47:44There is a procedure.
47:46And the supreme lawmaking, one of the association, is the general counsel.
47:51Every general counsel, by its mandate, says to the executive, this is how we want to proceed.
47:58This is how they have to proceed, whether they like it or not.
48:01And that is what happened on the day of total policing.
48:04That is one.
48:05And the second thing, on that day, while it would have caused good luck and so on, on that day, there were no murders, Mr. Bassan.
48:13You can go back and check that.
48:14That is the only day in the history of policing in my career, and I'm sure, in fact, of this career then, where there were no murders.
48:21And there were no murders because the usual perpetrators were unable to proceed.
48:25And something that people neglect to consider is that the association is empowered by an act of parliament.
48:34They do not do anything willy-nilly to wind up an association.
48:38They have to make certain moves and so on, right?
48:41And people also forget the amount of police officers.
48:45Police officers suffered the most losses during COVID from all ranks, from first division to second division.
48:52They didn't even receive a medal for gallantry in the awards.
48:56They were not nominated for awards.
48:58You understand what I'm saying?
48:59And this is what people have to consider.
49:01You understand what I'm saying?
49:03So that I would say that the work of the association is necessary because just as Mr. Pipps said,
49:09it redounds to the benefit of the members of the society.
49:13Better officers, better resource officers, better officers who are motivated to reduce all of our safety.
49:24And that's how you have to look at it.
49:27You understand?
49:28There's a reason why all over the world, police officers have federal organizations, associations,
49:34they can join unions because it is a right.
49:38And something that people do consider under an act such as the OSH Act, police officers are not considered workers.
49:45We are not workers in that regard.
49:48And therefore, as we have seen, what has happened in Jamaica now?
49:53I hope you all could pull up the clip of an officer being interviewed by the reporter on Fox News
49:59and see the importance of the police in times like this.
50:03And we shouldn't take it for granted that all police are concerned about are increases in salaries.
50:08And so I know it's much more than that.
50:10But the welfare of all the men and women in the Trans-Divigal Police Service is paramount
50:16and will, like I say again, in closing, redound to the benefit of society.
50:21It's a partnership.
50:22Yes.
50:23Thank you very much, Colin.
50:24And thank you for the opportunity.
50:26Thanks a lot, Colin.
50:27I think you echoed that sentiment earlier on when you had responded to the caller in terms of it's just not about wage increase.
50:36It's much more than that when you look at the intricacies of how the TTPS runs and the importance.
50:44A lot of people don't know the layers and they're not familiar with a lot of the things that happen internally
50:49where officers obviously need the association to be their voice.
50:54Of course, of course.
50:55And it is extensive.
50:57It's not limited to that, you know.
51:00And sometimes, you know, association businesses is heavily individualistic in that what may affect one officer might not affect the other officer.
51:11And, you know, you must be able to strike the balance in terms of cheating with both officers' issues as a matter of priority.
51:18Yeah.
51:18Because who feels it knows it, you know.
51:21So, nothing is to be slighted.
51:24Everything must be taken into consideration.
51:26And as I said before, when you are called upon as that voice, you must ensure that your voice is heard.
51:35Yes, and we want to thank the caller who was a former police officer who called in as well and expressed his sentiments.
51:42All right, we have another caller on the line.
51:43The last caller for the show.
51:45Caller, good day.
51:46Welcome to be on the tape.
51:47Good evening, gentlemen.
51:51Good evening, sir.
51:52Good day, sir.
51:52Familiar voice.
51:54Mr. Titzer.
51:57Yes, sir.
51:57Mr. Boy, I want to say to you thanks for bringing those statistics to me.
52:05And I want to repeat, now, first, let me say, too, that I understand the job of a policeman.
52:13It's not an easy job.
52:14Yeah, I appreciate it.
52:16How can you say that?
52:18I also believe that as this officer out there, doesn't really understand what it is to be set in from noise pollution on a regular basis.
52:32I really don't think so.
52:33And I'm saying so, I want you to understand, I'm saying so not only from my experience.
52:38I want to make this clear.
52:40Whenever I call on any program to speak about noise, I'm not speaking about noise only in my area, but only in my experience.
52:49I am a member of CAST-CT, which is the Antioch Revolution Group.
52:56I want to say to you, Mark, that maybe sometime soon you should visit that site on Facebook.
53:06Because I don't think even you as an investigative reporter on how far, how widespread, how deep this problem is in Treland-Tobago.
53:14And I don't believe the average police officer understands that either.
53:21So while I am thankful for these statistics to give, I want to just remind you of something I said before.
53:28I have read and I have heard and seen on television that certain experts, I don't know exactly who they are, but they quite clearly said that their estimation, there are approximately 500,000 cars on the roadway.
53:45I am saying that they are not speaking to you.
54:15It is one that, you know, it is demanding.
54:18He did suggest that, well, it's his view that, you know, there are a lot of police officers who are not necessarily a cura in relation to treating with noise pollution issues.
54:29And, you know, I have said it, and when I spoke of these statistics, I mentioned that definitely there is room for improvement.
54:38And it's not only about just the issuing of tickets.
54:43It's about also being able to educate members of the public, and it's for drivers to accept that level of responsibility.
54:51So that, you know, you have respect.
54:52You have respect for the environment because it is pollution.
54:56So you have respect for the environment.
54:57You know, it mustn't always be that you have to use the brunt of the law in order for people to conform and, you know, be socially acceptable.
55:08It should be that persons through, you know, even if you have community programs and outreach and, you know, education drives and all these things,
55:17that they are able now to have within themselves that character to more or less carry themselves and conduct themselves in a manner where we could say it is socially acceptable.
55:31So it is greater than just policing because we could issue 1,000 tickets.
55:37We could issue 5,000 tickets.
55:39Would that mean that behavior is changing?
55:41In fact, there is a demonstration that things are not as good as we would want it to be.
55:46So we have to get people on board, and we have to get people on board by sensitizing them and, you know, bringing them to that understanding that,
55:56you know what, it's not just about you.
55:58Yes, you have the right to property, but you don't have the right to infringe other person's rights whilst enjoying that property.
56:06Yeah, well said.
56:07I couldn't have said it better myself, of course.
56:09And, you know, he was alluding to something that I should be investigating looking on Facebook,
56:14but I really couldn't hear the end part of it.
56:17But quickly, we just want to warn people again, do not go on Facebook and try to buy things.
56:25A man went on Facebook under an association, a name called Bills and Cows, to buy cattle, $2,400.
56:34Met these guys, they held them up and took $2,400.
56:37Come on, we can do better.
56:41Mark, we will continue to reach out to members of the public.
56:45Every time we come on these programs, we are going to continue to reach out to members of the public.
56:52Please inform your friends, your family, your colleagues.
56:59Facebook is not the safest of areas in order to do your shopping.
57:03And we will speak about that more.
57:06All right, yes, people, thanks so much for spending the last hour with us.
57:08Remember, we run tonight at 11.30.
57:11Another repeat tomorrow at 11 o'clock.
57:14The TV6 News is up next.
57:15And we'll see you back here tomorrow at 6 p.m.
57:17Have a great one.
57:18We'll see you back here tomorrow at 11 o'clock.
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