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03:40Welcome, Trinidad and Tobago.
03:50I'm your host, Mark Bessant.
03:51This is Beyond the Tape.
03:53And yes, we are early.
03:54We want to thank all our viewers globally, as well as our brothers and sisters in the Isles of Grenada.
04:01And it's the beginning today of the Republic Bank CPL.
04:05At 7 o'clock tonight, of course, the Patriots take on the Falcons.
04:09So, that's the first game.
04:11And so, that's why we're going to be early today, as well as tomorrow, and most of next week, with the exception of Monday.
04:17And today with us, of course, none other than ASP Ishmael Pitt from the Northern Division.
04:22Welcome, sir.
04:23How are you?
04:23Not too bad, Mark.
04:25Always a pleasure being here.
04:26Good afternoon, Trinidad and Tobago.
04:29Well, certainly there are a couple of things happening.
04:32You know, we also had, you know, an incident involving a, in Toko area, some footage we caught of a parent victim that might have drowned.
04:43And there was a rescue effort out in that area earlier this afternoon for that person.
04:50We don't have an identity, of course, but we understand that, you know, the authorities came onto the scene using a police vehicle there and another, two other vehicles, of course,
05:04as they would obviously be seeking the assistance of the Trinidad and Tobago Coast Guard in retrieving that victim.
05:14Is that that he's confirmed as being drowned or the person is confirmed?
05:19Apparently, they were looking for the victim, as far as I understand, from one of our colleagues.
05:24So, there's still some measure of hope.
05:27Yeah.
05:27Yeah.
05:28So, apparently, from my understanding, the person went out to take a dip and disappeared.
05:35And, of course, persons are related to the authorities and that is where they are at this juncture here.
05:41Yeah.
05:41Yeah.
05:41You know, well, we really hope that that person is all right and that they are able to retrieve him or her successfully.
05:50Yeah.
05:51You know, we always ask persons to be very, very careful regarding our engagements at the nations, beaches, seas, what have you.
06:00You know, there are things that sometimes behavior places us in and circumstances that behavior places us in.
06:08Now, we can't cast any aspersion as to what may have transpired here.
06:11Yeah.
06:12Yeah.
06:12We don't know how many other persons were alongside or involved in today's activities with that individual who is missing.
06:20But, again, we hope that whoever it is, that they are retrieved successfully.
06:25Yeah.
06:25And, of course, last night, the Prime Minister at our Penal Constituency Office held a standard ground legislation consultation with the residents of that area.
06:37And, of course, you can imagine how many persons came out and spoke about some of the harrowing experiences they had at the hands of criminals.
06:44Yeah.
06:45And one of the things, of course, that the Prime Minister suggested, she herself told the audience that she has a panic button at her house.
06:54Yeah.
06:54And I know we have had discussions about that in the past.
06:58Is this a good recommendation?
07:00Indeed, it is a tremendous recommendation.
07:02And you are quite correct.
07:03We spoke of that some time ago on this program.
07:06There are things that we tend to ignore, we tend to overlook, because of the fact that it may have been there with us so many decades ago.
07:16So a panic button is nothing new.
07:18But the significance of it is still very much preserved.
07:21And we could add on to our levels of security as opposed to just taking away from it and thinking that we can advance now just towards the strict technological aspect.
07:33So it's similar to vehicles.
07:35When we looked at the capabilities of locking the steering wheel and the gear shifter, having the, what you'll call the kill switch and all these things, as opposed to just using the ability to lock down the vehicle remotely via GPS and what have you.
07:51So don't take away from the security aspects.
07:56Add to it.
07:56So the panic button still is very, very significant today.
08:00And it is a welcome recommendation.
08:03Just for our viewers, of course, you and I will surely know how a panic button works.
08:09But just for the knowledge of some of the viewers out there that might not know how a panic button works, if you would explain to them.
08:15Right.
08:16So if we had to use a commercial sort of environment to demonstrate or to explain, so you have a business place and probably we can use this platform.
08:28And, you know, someone comes in and they are now demanding certain things of you.
08:32Now, they are not aware as to what you have within this area.
08:36And it could be as simple as just you just touching a knob.
08:41And that now will send a signal to whether it's the police department or whoever security firm you have securing your business.
08:51And outside of the knowledge of the person who's thinking that, you know, they are very much in control, you have persons responding.
08:57And that responding group of persons now could catch that person even before they have left the area.
09:07And there are panic buttons that work in different ways as well.
09:10There are some that can also cause the building now to become totally locked.
09:15And, you know, so it has different attachments to it.
09:19But it's something now that it's so simple to, you know, to use that it places you in a position of advantage, notwithstanding you're under some level of threat.
09:30Yeah.
09:30And I know a lot of security firms have been offering that.
09:33And the packages are not very, very expensive.
09:36Yeah.
09:36They are pretty economical.
09:37In most cases, judging from friends that I know have these kind of packages, even offered by the cell phone providers and so on, these telephone providers, as well as part of a package.
09:50Yes.
09:50When you buy into the cable and the internet and so on.
09:53Correct.
09:54So it's something that it might cost you maybe $100 more, $125 more.
09:59Yeah.
09:59But I think for your safety and the safety of your family, that is a very important aspect of your security that you should look into if you feel you need that extra edge.
10:11Because when you look at the persons who spoke last night at that forum, a gentleman related incident where four young men came into his property and threatened to rape his wife and daughter.
10:28And basically, they took $3,000.
10:32He had cameras.
10:33He says to him, cameras don't work.
10:36And now, as his son has grown now, those said men got two years in jail.
10:41Right.
10:41And they're out on the streets in the area again.
10:43And they take turns staying up at night.
10:47Oh.
10:47Rather than just have a camera.
10:49Yes.
10:50Because, yes, a camera will capture, but a camera can't say, well, okay, somebody's coming unless you have certain other technological add-ons to it.
10:58That's correct.
10:58And there are cameras that have certain motion detection features.
11:03Yes.
11:03And it will give you a notification so you will be aware that the camera is now picking up something that warrants your attention.
11:11So it depends on how your camera is programmed and the capacity of the camera.
11:17So it could be that the cameras that were being utilized then did not have that type of capacity.
11:22But we know now that in our modern circumstance that the cameras, they are very much well-equipped.
11:28But there are persons, though, who still like to have that direct touch with reality.
11:33And they don't want to trust the technology to that extent, you know, regarding all those circumstances they just identified.
11:42Yes, certainly.
11:43And, you know, it's just that persons, you know, everybody treats with their security differently.
11:50Yes.
11:50Based on your experiences.
11:51Based on your experiences.
11:52You are correct.
11:53Because I know somebody said here that, you know, you don't really feel it and you might just be living, going along in La La Land, as the person said here in this newspaper report.
12:02Yeah.
12:03Until you become a victim or somebody that you know or a family member becomes a victim.
12:07Yeah.
12:08Then your whole mindset changes.
12:09Changes.
12:10That's right.
12:10Who feels it knows, as we commonly say.
12:13And, you know, the example I gave of the panic button, there is just one circumstance.
12:17Of course.
12:17There are those that the person doesn't even have to enter your premises.
12:22Yeah.
12:22Just the fact that when I say your premises, the house itself, they probably enter your yard, but they have been able to enter your home.
12:29And for that reason, you are now able to touch your panic button and have that type of response.
12:35So it have many different layers of protection that it can afford.
12:41But again, you spoke to some packages.
12:43And I guess dependent on what package you choose, that will determine the amount of layers that the panic button is able to provide.
12:50Yes.
12:50Certainly.
12:51All right.
12:52So, you know, we've been talking about criminality.
12:54We've spoken a lot about, and this program over the last couple of weeks, you know,
12:58car stealing rackets and so on.
13:01Yeah.
13:01And, you know, a vehicle was stolen within the last 48 hours or 24 to 48 hours.
13:07And lo and behold, this is where they recovered the vehicle in the Longdenville area, stripped of almost all its parts.
13:14Which tells you there is a lucrative underbelly, underground trade in Trinidad and Tobago for car parts in this country where certain makes and models of vehicles are being targeted.
13:28Yes, PIPIT.
13:29Yeah, you are absolutely correct.
13:31And I know just last week you were able to show some footage regarding some cars that were targeted just for the battery.
13:38Yeah.
13:38And, you know, we would make persons aware regarding our stolen vehicles department as to the types of vehicles that are commonly stolen.
13:47We still look at the Nissan Tida.
13:51We got the Aqua, which seems to be the choice of the day.
13:55And you have the Kia, H100, and all these other vehicles that seem to be the stolen vehicle of choice.
14:06And we are asking persons to be extremely cautious, extremely careful.
14:11We know that now, given technological advancements, there are keys that when you approach your vehicle,
14:18you don't need to unlock your vehicle physically or even press a button on that key form in order for the door to open.
14:25So, once the key is within range and you just pull the latch, the door will automatically unlock.
14:32It is now possible for persons to intercept the signal between your key and the vehicle and use that signal for future reference.
14:43So, that is the danger attached to it.
14:45There is a feature, though, where you can withhold the signal going from point A to point B
14:51and bring the key now to a position where you have to utilize the depressing of the knob in order for the vehicle to unlock.
14:58So, that is the feature that is recommended so that persons who are trying now,
15:05because they will be sitting in a car some distance off and trying to intercept the signal,
15:10they will be unable to do so, because the vehicle will not be, it would be transmitting,
15:16but the key form would not be sending out that signal.
15:18Responsive to that signal.
15:19That's right, yeah.
15:20All right, interesting times ahead there, of course.
15:23And, of course, we always implore everyone to be as safe as possible and, you know,
15:27take relevant steps to secure your vehicle.
15:31Indeed.
15:31The old school club look, as you said.
15:33Yes, yes.
15:34It's the best thing ever.
15:35Yes, because now, they say everything man builds, there's a way to get around it.
15:41So, now there are persons who are using technology as well in order to violate,
15:47in order to get into your vehicle, in order to steal your vehicle.
15:51Most of them, based on our encounters, are not coming prepared to treat with a stand locked,
16:00the gear shifter lock, or even having a kill switch.
16:03They are not coming prepared for that, because those things are items of yesterday,
16:08as opposed to what we are using now.
16:10So, we are asking if persons can, you know, properly wear an army of vehicle.
16:15We know that vehicles are a significant investment, and for that reason,
16:19we need to secure it with as much as we can under these circumstances.
16:23Yes, certainly.
16:23Speaking of motor vehicles, of course, this morning in the Flowerpot area,
16:28for those that don't know, it's midway between, you know, the Claxton Bay area
16:33and the Pointer Bay, Pointer Bay area, sorry, there was this vehicular accident that took place
16:38involving a vehicle that overturned.
16:42I don't know if we have the video.
16:44We're supposed to have the video.
16:45All right, so I'm not seeing the video, of course, but, you know, that accident took place rather early this morning,
16:55and a vehicle seems to have overturned, causing some traffic.
16:59Oh, there it is.
17:01I'm not familiar with the entire, you know, what might have transpired,
17:06but certainly, you know, we're employing persons to, you know, be very mindful on the roadway,
17:13especially at that hour, you would tend to have traffic in that area there,
17:20and I know even though schools are out there, still persons going to work,
17:23the traffic level might have been a little less heavier,
17:26but still, there's a particular corner there when you go around and you go down near the cemetery.
17:33You saw the cemetery, it's, you know, you have to navigate
17:37because that is just near the Augustus Long Hospital.
17:43Just to see where that blue car is, just there, I think, is the Augustus Long Hospital.
17:47So there's a kind of corner there you come out,
17:49because when you come down that road there, if you're coming, heading where the car is,
17:54and it's capsized, you go towards the point for, sorry, the Pointer Bay refinery.
17:59Right, so I'm sure you would want to implore persons to exercise extra safety in the nation's roadways.
18:07Yeah, most definitely.
18:09We have seen some incidents over the past week regarding accidents and fatal accidents at that.
18:18So we will continue to ask members of the public, our motoring public,
18:22and we say road safety is everybody's business,
18:24to ensure that you comply with all road safety practices.
18:30Oftentimes, you hear persons say that the police presence and the police action that follows that
18:36is usually to more or less be a revenue-driven sort of activity.
18:43When it is a situation to create that level of deterrence
18:48and to ensure that persons do what they are supposed to do.
18:50When you look at the type of offenses that are attached to motor vehicles,
18:55they are predominantly of a safety nature.
18:58So you look at the issue of DUI, driving under the influence,
19:03and we know that when persons are driving under the influence,
19:06you have a diminished sense of capacity regarding being able to manage your vehicle.
19:10That is one.
19:11If you look at the issue of speeding, exceeding the speed limit,
19:15then again, you place yourself in a position where your management of the vehicle is compromised
19:20because your reaction time in relation to how fast you are going,
19:25it must be able to adjust.
19:27And for that reason, a lot of persons can't do it.
19:29You need to look at the roadways and how the roads are designed.
19:33We are not designed for that type of speed that some persons want to utilize.
19:37So, again, accident situation, even your vehicle, how it is maintained, your tires, that's a big thing.
19:46Of course.
19:46And we are in the rainy season, and there are persons out there who are still driving their motor vehicles with smooth tires.
19:54And that is a no-no.
19:55Again, that is safety.
19:56So you find that someone might get a ticket for those things,
19:59or someone might be arrested for DUI, as the case may be.
20:02And then we look at police officers in a particular way, telling ourselves that possibly we could have been given a blight.
20:10But the reality is we need to take some responsibility for our own action
20:14and understand that doing things of this nature and behaving in that particular way can result in persons losing their lives.
20:22And we have accidents as a result of a particular type of behavior in most instances.
20:29There are some accidents that sometimes based on the vehicle and probably environmental factors that we cannot say that drivers were at fault.
20:40But generally speaking, Mark, it's a case of drivers behaving in a particular way.
20:45You're right.
20:46All right.
20:47We're going to take a quick look now at our state of emergency.
20:51Figures day 28.
20:52So, number of operations, 2,026.
20:57Target priority offenders, 871.
21:00Searches conducted, 12,996.
21:03Traffic operations, 1,226.
21:05Total persons arrested, 895.
21:09Traffic offenses detected, 7,076.
21:13Firearms recovered, 36 pistols, 19 revolvers, 9 shotguns, 9 rifles, and 2 air rifles.
21:19Ammunition recovered, 499 rounds of 9mm, 66 rounds of 12 gauge, 21 rounds of 0.380, 26 rounds of 0.380, 26 rounds of 0.56, 65 rounds of 0.38, 28 rounds of 0.40, 7 rounds of 0.357, 26 rounds of 0.45, and 48 rounds of 7.62 millimeters.
21:44Dangerous dogs seized thus far, 73,233.24 grams of marijuana, and 730.67 grams of cocaine, 1,032 STC pills, and 15 grams of molly.
22:03ESP.
22:03Well, the job continues, and we recognize it's like you are digging in an area that has quicksand.
22:14Because the more you dig, the further you go.
22:17The more you find.
22:18The further you go.
22:20You know?
22:20So, we are trying to get ourselves out of a situation.
22:24And the more we find, the more we recognize that out there to be found.
22:28Yeah.
22:29And it's at times a bittersweet sort of situation.
22:34You know, we always lower the efforts of our police officers and members of the public who contribute to the levels of success
22:41that are attached to our ability to get these illegal items off the streets.
22:47But in the other breath, it demonstrates exactly how much illegal items are out there.
22:53And we must bring it to a level that is manageable to ensure the safety and security of our citizens at large.
23:01Quite right.
23:02The safety and security of your citizens is paramount.
23:05All right.
23:05We're going to take our first break, and we'll be back with your calls.
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26:14Welcome back to Beyond the Tape.
26:32I'm your host, Mark Bussan, joined today by ASP Ishmael Pitt of the Northern Division.
26:36And of course, ASP Ishmael Pitt, we are in that celebratory mood this entire month of August,
26:43with the anniversary being on the 29th of this month of women in the 75 years of women in the Trinidad and Tobago Police Survey.
26:53Seventy.
26:54I said 70 yesterday.
26:55Seventy years.
26:56Yes.
26:57Seventy years.
26:58And, you know, for you, what has that been like, seeing that evolution for the time that you have been there,
27:04how valuable their contributions have been over that period of time, even before you were there,
27:10or what you have seen or told from others?
27:13Well, it's no secret that traditionally organizations like ours are male-dominated.
27:18And I've been able to observe within my tenure the rise of women police to the extent that we had our first female commissioner.
27:29And there are so many other female officers who have gained significant ranks within the organization.
27:35Additionally, when we look at also the departments where women are functioning in now,
27:41as opposed to where they functioned previously,
27:44we recognize that women have also taken up what we deem traditional masculine roles in terms of law enforcement.
27:53So we have a lot of women who are within operational units, operational departments of the police service,
27:58and they have been able to conduct themselves and exhibit that level of skill, knowledge, and ability
28:07that is consistent with operators within such departments.
28:12So the input of women police and their significance to policing is one that is really, really tremendous.
28:22It's one that we continue to recognize, we continue to value.
28:27And as they say, the sky's the limit.
28:30We recognize that, you know, we were doing ourselves a great disservice
28:35in terms of not allowing women police officers to have the type of opportunities
28:41that should have been available.
28:45And now, with those opportunities being made available,
28:49the service has gone beyond that limited position
28:54and now has the capacity to see things from varying lengths.
28:58Because it's no secret that at times women see things differently.
29:02And sometimes it's that difference in vision, Mark,
29:06that can tell the difference between a matter being solved or remaining unsolved.
29:11You know, that brings me to the question I wanted to ask you, you know,
29:15and I know you have a female boss as well.
29:18Indeed.
29:19Good afternoon, senior superintendent, Maynard Wilson of the Northern Division.
29:24But more so, by extension, in the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
29:28Do you think that some males in the police service feel a little bit, you know,
29:33that they have to report to a female officer that they feel a little bit belittled in some way
29:40or their mental thing is that I don't want to report to this woman who knows whatever.
29:45I'm just speaking on a general sense of not just in the TTPS,
29:49but there are other organizations, other entities that men feel that they still have that superiority complex
29:57where they must be the main dominant one.
30:02Yeah.
30:02It's a reasonable question.
30:06And I must say that there will still remain pockets of that.
30:10Yeah.
30:11And I am saying that just from the position of practicality.
30:16However, I am pleased to say that I haven't really experienced persons,
30:20male officers, expressing themselves like that.
30:24It's accepted that women police officers have earned their positions.
30:29And for that matter, they have earned the respects of the male officers who are subordinate to them.
30:35So as much as there will be persons who would, because they are, you will always have varying thoughts.
30:41Yeah.
30:41And varying ideologies.
30:43And the way people view things, you know, it will always be different.
30:46But I can say that generally speaking, our male officers have recognized women police officers for who they are,
30:53which is professionals and persons who have continued to contribute towards the upliftment of the John DeBago police officers.
31:01That's really good to know.
31:02Yeah.
31:02I think we have our first caller on the line.
31:05Caller, good evening.
31:07Yeah.
31:08Good evening, caller.
31:09You're live and beyond the tape.
31:10Go ahead.
31:14You need to lower the volume on your television.
31:16First caller, and then we can hear you.
31:18Yes, caller, go ahead.
31:25Yes, Mr. Bakhtan.
31:28Yes, go ahead.
31:30I went to school to your brother, boy, and never heard of it.
31:37I'm from the system.
31:38All right, caller, we're not hearing you too well, but I do believe you were referring to my uncle, rather, and my father went to Naprimasri.
31:49Maybe you were making reference to my father.
31:51That's as much as we could hear.
31:53But unfortunately, the connection is very bad, so we were unable to hear what you were saying, you know.
31:58But yeah, as we were saying about this male-dominated world, and it's really good to see that, you know, that, you know, in this age now, women are given that equal opportunity in every workplace.
32:12Oh, you have the caller back in line.
32:14Caller, good evening again.
32:17Good evening, caller.
32:22Go ahead.
32:22Good evening, caller.
32:22All right, we seem to be having some difficulties there.
32:41Caller, we apologize, but we're going to take a short break, and when we come back, we'll have more of your calls.
32:47Stay with us.
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35:31Welcome back to Beyond the Tape, I'm your host Mark Bussan, joined today by ASB Ishmael
35:35Pitt of the Northern Division, and yes, we are early today and we're going to be like that
35:39over the next month, mostly Tuesdays to Fridays, with the exception only being on Monday.
35:46And I just want to remind you of the numbers to call, 623-1711, extensions 1996 and 1997.
35:55We welcome your suggestions, or your opinions, or any concerns that you might like to raise.
36:02Alright?
36:03Okay, I think we have our first caller on the line.
36:06Caller, good evening.
36:07Yes.
36:07Yes, caller, go ahead.
36:12I went to school with your brother, Mr. Roy Bassant, who was a brilliant student.
36:20He was in form 6, I was in form 5.
36:23Okay.
36:28Okay, caller, I just wanted to let you know that that is actually my uncle, Mr. Roy Bassant.
36:37But, rest his soul in peace has now passed, but thank you so much for that, of course.
36:44So, you know, I think, okay, okay, caller, go ahead, I'm listening.
36:51Yes, sir.
36:52You know who I am?
36:55Mr. Roy Bassant, I'm Princess Town.
36:57We're the connection in Princess Town.
36:59Right?
36:59Okay, we seem to be having some difficulty hearing you, man.
37:05He wanted to send a message to you, ASP Pit.
37:08So, I'm sorry, but you'll have to try back again, caller, some difficulty on your side there.
37:14Yes, so, of course, the number is to call, 623-1711, extensions 1996 and 1997.
37:21I want to tell you about an event coming up.
37:23I believe it's tomorrow.
37:25No, but you're not invited.
37:28So, why tell me about an event?
37:31We invited all current and retired women.
37:34Police officers to sit, paint, and chat.
37:40It's tomorrow, celebrating 70 years of women in the TTPS.
37:45I've been given strict instructions.
37:47You or I are not that 10th.
37:49It's on Friday, August 15th, between the hours of 2 and 8 p.m.
37:54at Castor's Cove on Western Main Road, Shagaramas.
37:59That's around the bend there, just before you come around to get to the beach there.
38:04And RSVP by 1 p.m. on the 13th of August, which would have been yesterday's date.
38:12Call W.
38:13Woman Inspector Grant at 384-5364.
38:17So, certainly a really relaxing event for officers over the years to reconnect and have a little fun, sip, paint, chat.
38:28You know, I think that's the order that we're going now.
38:31A lot of people having these sip and paint and chat and so on, you know, for their birthdays, for their anniversaries.
38:38You know, it's a kind of interesting thing.
38:40I wanted one about a year ago.
38:43I couldn't really paint, to be honest.
38:45I'm not an artist, but I tried.
38:47Yeah.
38:48It's becoming a common place.
38:50Yeah.
38:51So, certainly it's a really good way for these officers to reconnect.
38:55Yeah.
38:55And share their stories over the years with the younger police officers, of course.
39:00Because I imagine ASP, but the way things were done 20, 30 years ago in the TTPS,
39:07and the strides that the TTPS would have made over the last 20 to 30 years.
39:15You know, we have seen the evolution of technology and all these things,
39:19where before, officers didn't have that luxury, so they really had to go out there and beat the pavement.
39:24Of course.
39:25Well, we still have to go out there.
39:27Well, you know what I mean.
39:28Yes, yes.
39:29The ability now with enhanced techniques and equipment to help you, aid you to get faster results in some cases,
39:37depending on which department it might be.
39:40Yeah.
39:41But in order to say life creates a balance of its own.
39:45So, as much as there are so many technological advancements, advancements in training,
39:55advancements in police methods and approaches, there are also advancements on the dark side.
40:04Yeah, of course.
40:04So, the environment that our predecessors function within, as much as they were not as equipped,
40:14given our modern-day standards, we can argue that even the persons on the dark side in those days were not as equipped as well.
40:25So, therein lies the balance in terms of the ability of the police officers to treat with those issues then within a particular way.
40:35And for us now to treat with issues, given our circumstance, given our advancements,
40:40and given the fact as well that the criminal minds,
40:43because we just spoke of how persons are using technology to their advantage in order to gain access to your vehicle.
40:50So, no longer is the break open your car and hotwire and all these things.
40:58Remember the hotwine kind of old approach?
41:02So, now a guy is sitting down behind a laptop and with whatever software,
41:07he's able now to intercept a signal because our vehicles are now equipped with our brain and it's computerized.
41:16So, you know, that balance, it doesn't mean to say, yes, that you are correct in terms of how we do business
41:24and how we have transformed from a force into a service and even the way we treat women
41:32and the way we have received women and the advancements of women in our organization.
41:37And as I said before, we are better off it.
41:39So, the change is one that has come with a high level of positivity, a high level of productivity,
41:48and I dare say, I know there are some who would argue at times, but a high level of success as well.
41:52Yes, certainly.
41:54Couldn't put it better myself.
41:56I think we have our second caller on the line.
41:58Caller, good evening.
42:00Good evening, caller.
42:02Go ahead.
42:03Yes, sir.
42:06Yes, sir.
42:10Yes, you know who I am.
42:12It's the power of moving from me in from this town.
42:15Your video connection in from this town.
42:16Right, go ahead.
42:19Right.
42:20We have to come to us and come to us and turn to us.
42:26All right, call.
42:27I think you need to call back.
42:29Maybe on another day because we certainly cannot make out what you're saying.
42:33And I don't know if it's the connection or he's not very coherent and I'm not hearing him well.
42:40Yeah.
42:41You know?
42:41So, we hope for that when he can again on another day.
42:46We have another caller?
42:48Okay.
42:49So, yeah.
42:50As you were saying and you rightly pointed out, the TTPS has really made strides over the years.
42:55Of course.
42:56In different aspects of the business that you run.
43:01And we can't take that away from you guys.
43:03And, of course, you know, you have a very demanded job at times and you can never please everybody.
43:10Of course.
43:10In any job, matter of factly speaking, not just the TTPS.
43:13Yeah, yeah.
43:13You know?
43:14There will always be people that are, you know, not pleased.
43:17Yeah.
43:17But, despite that, you and I and everybody else have to continue doing the job that we do.
43:22Of course.
43:23Of course.
43:23Yeah.
43:24Policing, it's extremely demanding.
43:28Exceedingly demanding.
43:28And you have said it, we can't please everyone.
43:33And, you know, we have been continuously going in that direction of improving our image, improving our levels of service to members of the public.
43:44But, it's no secret that, you know, policing in itself at times is a very unpopular job.
43:51Yeah.
43:51You are arresting persons who are suspected of committing offenses.
43:56And those persons have families, friends, generally members of the society who may have a variant view.
44:05You know, at times we end up in deadly encounters and we must protect ourselves.
44:09And, for that reason, we are demonized at times.
44:15So, you know, policing takes on a form of its own in terms of our ability now to manage our commitments, manage the image that is very much important for us to get that level of support that is necessary for us to get information,
44:32get feedback, get feedback, in order to improve the delivery of service that, you know, our society so demands.
44:40So, it's really a balancing act.
44:42Yes.
44:43Balancing act indeed.
44:44All right.
44:44We're going to take our short break and we'll be back.
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47:44To be on the tape, I'm your host, Mark Bussan, of course, joined today by ASP Ishmael Pitt of the Northern Division.
47:51And we have another caller on the line.
47:53Caller, good evening.
47:54Welcome to be on the tape.
47:56Good afternoon, everyone.
47:59Good afternoon, caller.
48:00Good afternoon, sir.
48:01How are you all doing?
48:02Just afternoon?
48:03Real well?
48:04Yeah, not too bad.
48:07I think I've played tech call in the world program.
48:12You know, a lot of people in this country.
48:16It's just people.
48:19But I want to be police.
48:23Just afternoon.
48:25You know?
48:26We have to look towards the law enforcement to protect us in this country.
48:32That is what we do not get to the support of the public supporting police.
48:39Because on a daily basis,
48:41...
48:54...
48:56...
49:01...
49:01I mean that, all of them in Venezuela and so, prostituting and all them things,
49:10or they will send their lives to make the country a safer place, you know?
49:17And it's time to give the police some credit and stop pulling on the police.
49:21And we are pulling on the police too long.
49:24We know that situation is out of control.
49:28We know that, but we must be pulling very quickly.
49:32That is the best one that we need to do.
49:36To protect us.
49:38I want to thank the police this afternoon,
49:42and let them continue the good job they are doing,
49:46from undergrounding to Point 14, in Point 14 to Tobago,
49:51let them continue to do the job they are doing all parts of the country.
49:57We might get results in six months, but I assure you,
50:01in a year and a half, two years, we are still doing improvements.
50:05All the best. Take care.
50:07Thank you, sir.
50:09You need some valid points there.
50:11Indeed.
50:12You know, at the beginning he says, the public needs to support the police more.
50:17We know how bad this situation has gotten over the last couple of years,
50:21and it will take time.
50:23But, obviously, he is endorsing the police trying on their side to stop this situation
50:31that has been for so long out of control.
50:33Yeah, yeah.
50:34And he added that, you know, persons continue to, and I am paraphrasing now,
50:39to demonize the organization, and it doesn't help.
50:44Right.
50:45You know, and it's very important that we join forces in order to get the type of success
50:50that the society so demands.
50:52He is also suggesting that it would not happen overnight,
50:56but he is very hopeful that within the next year, year and a half, as the case may be,
51:01you know, we will be seeing the type of improvement in terms of crime management
51:06that we have been seeking for a while.
51:08Yes, and as you said, some people want overnight fixes,
51:11and it doesn't happen all the time.
51:13Yes.
51:14In most cases, there's complex things, issues, technical things
51:18that persons might not see behind the scenes happening before they can move forward
51:23in a particular investigation or in moving in a particular direction for someone or an entity.
51:29Yeah.
51:30Well, it's like an ecosystem.
51:31Yeah.
51:32So, when you think that you just move one thing and that fixes the entire problem,
51:40that now causes some imbalance.
51:42And if we had to say the word of the day is balance, right?
51:45So that causes some imbalance.
51:47And with that imbalance now, you need to now put things back into perspective
51:53because you may very well be opening up some other avenue for things to go.
51:58All right.
51:59So it is very, very important that we create that balance.
52:03And as the caller said, for members of the public to support us as police officers
52:10because you have been seeing it earlier, it's a very demanding job.
52:13It's not at all times a popular job.
52:17Yes, there are periods when persons would glorify police officers and say,
52:21yes, he did a tremendous job.
52:22Yeah.
52:23But largely speaking, you know, we fall subject to a different type of scrutiny.
52:28And we accept that because we know the job that we have signed up for.
52:32So we accept that.
52:33But nonetheless, what we would want from the members of the public is that level of support and that level of trust.
52:40And we know that that trust is something that is very fragile.
52:45And there are things that we can do better, that we can improve on in order to maintain that trust, preserve that trust, improve that trust,
52:52you know, so that the relationship in itself is much stronger.
52:56Speaking of balance, let's balance our calls.
52:58We have another caller in line.
53:00Caller, good evening.
53:01Good afternoon, guys.
53:03I just want to make a small contribution on the show, sir.
53:07Sure.
53:08We talk about crime and we talk about what causes crime.
53:12And we talk about a lot of things that happen in the country that we don't have control over.
53:16But one of the things that we've seen on an everyday basis for years that happened in this country is the illegal gambling.
53:22And nobody seems to pay attention to what's happening with the illegal gambling.
53:27And if you look at this illegal gambling throughout this country, sir, you will observe that it has a lot to do with affecting families.
53:37And still we allow all these among the people and business places and others to still have illegal gambling and allow them to continue doing it.
53:53I am not saying that something like that is being taken care of.
53:58I hope in the future that somebody take, look at it in the way I see it and do something about illegal gambling in this country, sir.
54:08Yeah.
54:09Thank you very much, Caller.
54:10So he has highlighted the issue of illegal gambling.
54:13And there are gambling facilities that are sanctioned.
54:18Yes.
54:19And then we know there are other persons who would have their on the hand type of business taking place.
54:24So he's saying that he's not seeing that level of enforcement that is necessary in order to treat with this particular crime type.
54:32And he's suggesting further that it's contributing to a lot of things that are happening, generally speaking.
54:39So, Caller, your suggestion is noted.
54:41I know that there are a lot of officers who have engaged persons who are involved in that type of behavior.
54:47And a lot of them are before the court at present.
54:49But, you know, there's always room for improvement.
54:51Yes.
54:52Certainly.
54:53All right.
54:54We have another caller online quickly.
54:55Caller, good evening.
54:56Good evening, Caller.
54:58Yes.
54:59Caller.
55:00Yes, Caller.
55:01Go ahead.
55:02Caller.
55:03Caller, I think you need to buy a new phone.
55:04That's just my estimation.
55:05I don't know about the connection or something.
55:06Because he's been trying relentlessly to get onto the program, but we've been having difficulty hearing him over the last 20 minutes when he tried to call.
55:26So, hopefully, maybe tomorrow he might be lucky to get through and we will hear your contribution then, Caller.
55:33Yes, sir.
55:34You were making a point earlier in reference to the last caller.
55:38Yeah.
55:39And, you know, the fact that, you know, the police has so many things going on at the same time.
55:45Yeah.
55:46And people expect, you know, he speaks about illegal gambling.
55:50He's right to because there are instances where people borrow money from persons who have ill repute.
55:57Yeah.
55:58And then when they cannot pay it back, it ends up on their family's doorsteps.
56:02And with the ultimatum payback or else, harm is going to come to either you or your family.
56:07Yes.
56:08Yes.
56:09Yeah.
56:10Yeah.
56:11Well, what we would want is to give them to another caller on the line.
56:13Caller, good evening.
56:14Good evening, sir.
56:15Why is it alive and be on the tape?
56:16Yeah.
56:17Good evening, ma'am.
56:18Forstall.
56:19Good evening, ma'am.
56:20Yes.
56:21Good afternoon, sir.
56:22Um...
56:23That's why you can make a short, small contribution, and, um...
56:24The illegal gambling area know it all.
56:27Inside the spaces car.
56:28And them two?
56:31Yeah.
56:32Yeah.
56:33Right, sir.
56:34Yes.
56:35Yeah.
56:36Yeah, yeah. Well, what we would want is to get the information.
56:42Yeah.
56:42And, you know, we have demonstrated time and time again that we are quite capable of policing our own.
56:49There are a lot of officers. It's not pleasing to us to have to hold our officers to account,
56:56but we have taken an oath and we respect the oath that we have taken and, you know, we must carry out a role and function.
57:03So, caller, if it is that you are aware of certain things, please provide the necessary information, 800-TIPS-555.
57:11There are anonymous means by which you can provide that information so that we can police ourselves.
57:17And, you know, for that matter, we would be able now to weed out certain persons within our organization
57:24who have gone contrary to policy, best practice, and the laws of Trinidad-Tobago.
57:29I know that the commission has made that abundantly clear over the last few weeks.
57:34Any officer, regardless of the situation that steps out of line,
57:37or was allegedly caught involved in any kind of corrupt or any other kind of criminal activities,
57:42will be dealt with within the parameters of the law.
57:46Indeed. Indeed.
57:47And as I said before, we have demonstrated that time and time again.
57:51We have about one minute.
57:52So, in closing, I don't know if there's anything you would like to leave persons with as we approach the weekend.
57:57Well, before I go there, the trust of today's program, you mentioned the significance of 70 years of women police officers.
58:11And Ms. Archie, I must mention Ms. Archie, she's now the head of our communication department.
58:18And she had left the organization as a very, very senior member.
58:22I think it was assistant commissioner.
58:24I know she acted deputy commissioner for some time as well.
58:27You know, and I mentioned as well, we had our first female commissioner, Ms. Lula Haywood-Christopher.
58:32At present, we have two deputy commissioner of police, Ms. Martin and Ms. George.
58:38And again, they are at executive positions within the organization.
58:41So, hats off to our women police.
58:45And we continue to stand in solidarity and continue to recognize your efforts.
58:51All right.
58:52Wonderful.
58:52Yes, people, thanks so much for having, for coming on the show today.
58:56And don't forget, we are on tomorrow at 4.45.
59:00The TV6 News at 5.45.
59:02Repeat tonight at 11.30.
59:04We run tomorrow at 11 o'clock.
59:06The TV6 News is up next.
59:07We'll see you tomorrow at 4.45.
59:09Stay with us.
59:10We'll see you tomorrow at 5.46.
59:16We'll see you tomorrow at 5.46.
59:18Bye.
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