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03:18Very special place to grow up in.
03:21And now as an adult, I think of those children in Trinidad and Tobago who do not have a safe
03:27place.
03:28Who are maybe not even lying in their own beds or a bed.
03:33And there's no roof to shade them from the sun nor to protect them from the rain.
03:40When I started looking at Habitat for Humanity, Trinidad and Tobago, they answered a call I have deep inside of
03:48me.
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05:56Good evening, Trinidad and Tobago, and to our global audience, this is Beyond the Tape.
06:00I'm your host, Whitney Husband.
06:02Now, we're smack in the middle of the week, so that means it's everything legal.
06:07It's Legally Speaking Wednesdays.
06:08Now, first of all, let's start off by hoping and praying that we could get some great news
06:15when it comes to recovery of the two-year-old who has been missing in Tobago, Angelo Tobias.
06:21And, of course, the prayers continue and the search continues where we are seeing all the services coming together to
06:29find this two-year-old.
06:31So, again, we pray that we could get some good news with regards to recovery of the two-year-old,
06:36the little child who has been missing for a while now, and we are hoping to get some good news.
06:42With that being said, we'd like to welcome my co-host on a Wednesday, who is no stranger or attorney
06:47at law and director of policy,
06:49as well through the Ministry of Homeland Security.
06:52We have none other than our attorney, Mr. Ali.
06:54Good evening to you, sir.
06:55Well, good evening to you, Whitney.
06:57Whitney, what a way to begin this afternoon.
06:58You know, when I look at the headline, Mystery of Missing Angelo, very sad.
07:03Yes.
07:04And, again, vulnerable youth and children continue to occupy the headlines, which is very disturbing.
07:10But I have some more to say about that as we go along.
07:12Good evening to you.
07:13Again, thank you very much for your warm welcome, as always, and for sharing this platform, very important platform.
07:19To our colleagues behind the scene, Jackie and others, good evening to you as well, sorry.
07:24My law enforcement colleagues across the various agencies, as defense as well, good evening to you.
07:32And, most importantly, the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago, and those who may be listening and viewing out of the
07:35jurisdiction.
07:37I'm happy that you make that salient call this afternoon for us to, you know, move into action to try
07:42and locate, you know, that child and, you know, those who are connected, which should be all of us, to
07:50our child, whether directly or indirectly.
07:51If you don't see that child for two minutes, you know, you're going to a state of worry.
07:55And could you imagine hours, days going by, and you're not seeing that child?
07:59But, again, it demonstrates the importance of, you know, child protection and looking after our nation's children and youth.
08:06We do not know the clear circumstances of this matter as yet.
08:08It's been investigated.
08:11There are only circumstances.
08:12But, at the end of the day, it's important to realize that, over the weekend, we saw a report where
08:1873 children lost their lives in what they call collateral damage through gun violence.
08:23And we continue to see, in recent times, the MOVA issue, the Bellman issue, and now we are seeing, you
08:28know, this issue in Tobago, is very concerning.
08:30And it's a salient call from where I sit to the citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago, all state and non
08:36-state actors that let us put our vulnerable youth.
08:40And that vulnerability, I told Marlon this morning on TV6, that vulnerability can be in a multifaceted way.
08:46It could be a situation where maybe there's poor parenting.
08:50Abuse at home.
08:50Abuse at home.
08:52Abuse.
08:52You know, there could be a plethora of issues, you know.
08:55But we need to look at it.
08:56We need to pay some attention to it.
08:57And, you know, we need to come up with resolutions.
08:59I'm happy and very humbled to indicate that, you know, we are active in terms of our overt engagements, you
09:05know, parenting, psychosocial engagement.
09:07Just moments before coming onto this platform, I'm in a meeting with several professionals, you know, planning for additional engagement
09:14with all nation schools.
09:15So I think it's very topical.
09:18You know, and I ask the citizens here of Trinidad and Tobago that, you know, to be vigilant and to
09:22exercise due diligence with your children, wherever they may be.
09:25I ask you now to pause.
09:26Ask yourself if you can account for your child.
09:29Just take five seconds and ascertain whether you can account for your child.
09:33If you cannot, I urge you to go and look for that child immediately.
09:36And do not end up in a situation where we have matters like these servicing.
09:42So look after your loved ones.
09:43Look after your family.
09:44It's very, very important.
09:45This is not an object you're dealing with.
09:47No, definitely not.
09:48Right?
09:49It's a human being.
09:49And that child is in need of care and protection if that child is alive somewhere.
09:52Yes.
09:53And, you know, I just want to say that we may have law enforcement agencies and other support agencies.
09:59It wouldn't hurt you as well to render any support that you can render.
10:02You know, if it's in relation to whether Tobago is concerned, maybe the waterways and so forth.
10:06Or, you know, persons with vessels and boats and, you know, what have you.
10:09Let's get into the search to be able to see if we can identify with this little individual.
10:14But, as always, it's a pleasure.
10:16Now, you mentioned, Ms. Ali, additional engagement, which is very important.
10:19And we also found out that the Minister of Homeland Security, along with other agencies, with the Homicide Unit and
10:26other units, are now heavily involved.
10:29Yes.
10:29Where are we with that?
10:30And you could give us some more info.
10:31Well, unfortunately, because I was engaged in frequent meetings, I came straight from those meetings to this platform.
10:36But what I can do as a show go along, probably I'll organize to get an update to see, you
10:39know, what does he say to us any matter.
10:40So, probably in the other segments of the show.
10:43Now, in this case, again, another senseless killing that took place.
10:47And in this case, we ask persons, viewer discretion is advised here.
10:51This happened on Tuesday, the 12th, May, at Upper Bush Street, San Juan, where the victim was chased into a
10:58mini-mart and met his demise.
11:05And, again, Mr. Ali, we are in an SOE.
11:11And I say this because the criminal elements, again, they don't care.
11:17And you being here today, I always stress now, where does the laws come in to deal with matters like
11:25this, where the consequences need to be, I believe, a little more harsh.
11:30Well, certainly, and, you know, when we think consequences, Whitney, it's important to get evidence to arrest and charge persons
11:35without the consequences, you know, they can feel the consequences.
11:37But, you know, the situation here, what I will say in looking at this video is that someone, somewhere, is
11:44aware.
11:45Because, while the person may have been in a hoodie or mask, someone, somewhere, is aware that this person was
11:50in a shooting.
11:51Someone, somewhere, would have seen this person either going to the location or leaving the location.
11:56And, you know, it's important that you have this intelligence and looking at what's happening.
12:01Bring forward the intelligence and give law enforcement the opportunity to be able to investigate it so that the consequences
12:06that you are speaking about, they can feel the consequences.
12:08But if you have the intelligence, you have the information.
12:11Law enforcement cannot be here and there and everywhere.
12:13But if you have the intelligence, bring it to law enforcement because, you know, the fact that we have these
12:19two individuals here, even if the person is in a hoodie, the way that the person may walk, the person
12:24may have, I don't know whether the person may have uttered anything.
12:26If persons are aware, bring the information and bring the information, it doesn't always mean that I'm talking to Whitney
12:31face-to-face, use one of the anonymous channels.
12:34But it's important to bring the intelligence because if we don't, what happens to the perpetrator here?
12:38He continues and we don't know what the circumstances here, apart from whether one person was shot and killed.
12:44But the fact of the matter is that it can continue because when you are in these kind of activities
12:48and if there's gangs involved, gangs don't have one person.
12:52So that may just be the first strike of several strikes to come.
12:56But I want to agree with you that in terms of consequences, and I know that you were very perceptive
13:00for us on the last occasion where if these persons are arrested,
13:03they found that firearms were used, murder, and that sort of thing, it's important for us to, our criminal justice
13:08system,
13:09everybody will respond properly to these persons to ensure that we feel the consequences.
13:13Because murder is a billable offense now in Trinidad and Tobago.
13:16Well, I wouldn't want to say billable.
13:17You have the application where you have the opportunity to apply for bill to be considered.
13:22So that's the right that you have to apply.
13:24And I don't like that.
13:25You shouldn't even have the right to apply.
13:27Well, it was like, you know, the law has been applied like that before.
13:31And when Achille Charles, may so rest in peace, challenged the law, they recognized that that constitutional right to have
13:36the opportunity to apply
13:37because you're presuming a sentence until proven guilty and, you know, the legalities, you are now afforded the right.
13:43But what is important, and you spoke about it, the judicial officer who is entertaining the bill application
13:49and the police prosecutor who is making the application and objecting to bail,
13:52we want balance and arguments and decision-making that not only represents the subject of the application
14:01but understanding the wider public interest that has to be protected.
14:04In other words, when you make the application, don't you look at the individual who has a right to apply
14:09for bail
14:09or there's a presumption of innocence.
14:11What about the safety and security of the nation that this person and who he's associated with, the ties and
14:17so forth,
14:17what he can impact, and that's how we need to strike the balance.
14:20And I think that we need to be aggressive, and I always said that the prosecution must always be placing
14:26themselves
14:26in an advantageous position, including if there's a grant of bail at a high court level or a master's level.
14:32We must be prepared to be able to take further action to hold those judicial officers accountable
14:38to see whether they exercise the discussion properly in the public's interest.
14:41Then why if someone is an officer who holds someone with an illegal firearm,
14:45they are able to apply for bail?
14:48Well, remember, if you look at the Constitution, and let me get a bit legalistic now,
14:51because I see you learn me down the road, so you say legally speaking, right?
14:55So you have the Constitution that basically affords a person a right to a reasonable bail.
15:00So a person has a right to be afforded a reasonable bail,
15:02and that, as I said, involves in the context of presumption or innocence and matters along those lines, right?
15:07But that is not an absolute right, and that is sometimes we miss that.
15:11So not because you have a right to a reasonable bail, it's absolute, it's qualified.
15:14It's meaning that if you bring cogent arguments in terms of why this person should not be granted bail,
15:19for example, let's say, for example, that video that you looked at there,
15:21that shooting is in broad daylight.
15:24That shooting would have put other persons in fear.
15:27That shooting resulted in what?
15:28The death of someone.
15:30And that person has what?
15:31Have a firearm to endanger life.
15:33That person, when you look at that person's antecedence,
15:35that person may have what?
15:36Have a long rap sheet.
15:38Robbery.
15:39Possession of firearm.
15:40Possession of ammunition.
15:41So if you've seen these things,
15:42and you are not putting these things properly for consideration,
15:45or the judicial officer is aware of these things,
15:47and they are not prepared to revoke and to have this person put away,
15:52then they're not promoting the public interest, in my view.
15:54And hence why, as a prosecution,
15:56you have to bring all the information that is required
15:59to give you the best opportunity to put that person away
16:01and not have that person benefit from that qualified right to reasonable bail.
16:06So, very significant legal arguments.
16:08Listen, Mr. Ali, this is why some people feel that the criminal,
16:12the law is on their side.
16:14Yes.
16:14Because even if I have a firearm for the first time,
16:16a legal one, and I'm pulled over by you,
16:18and you apprehend me, and I go before the court,
16:21and I have no rap sheet, but I now started.
16:23Yes.
16:24I could get bail.
16:25And those are significant things with me,
16:27and I'm happy that, you know, it's coming from you,
16:29as an officer of the court as well, in, you know, my other dispensation.
16:33It's important that when we hear it from you to recognize that, you know,
16:37you know, we went through a bail reform recently in 2024, I think it was.
16:40But when we really look at that bail construct,
16:43I think that nothing hurts to revisit it,
16:45especially if you're in a state of emergency,
16:46you're seeing people still making use of firearms.
16:48I think that we may want to go in the direction that you are going,
16:51that when you are held with a firearm, you know,
16:54that you feel the full brunt of the law,
16:56so that it will cause a deterrent at Austin.
16:58Whether I am, it's not about convicted,
17:00it's about arrest, and if I'm arrested,
17:02but if I am, there's no freedom for me to enjoy.
17:04And I think that, you know, perhaps we need to revisit it.
17:07And let's see how it goes.
17:09But thanks for advocating on behalf of the citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago.
17:12All right.
17:12Let's take a look at our SOE update today,
17:14as of May 13, 2026.
17:17Number of operations, 5,300.
17:21Number of targets, priority offenders, 1,673.
17:26Searches conducted, 2,674.
17:29Traffic operations, 3,102.
17:32Total persons arrested, 2,344.
17:36Total persons charged, 490.
17:40Firearms recovered, we're seeing a total of 142.
17:44I mean, if ammunition's recovered, we're seeing 3,066.
17:48And dangerous drug sees, we didn't see an increase
17:51with any of the items that we're seeing on display here, Ms. Dali.
17:57Zero movement.
17:58So is that good news?
17:59Well, you know, when you look at any statistics, Whitney,
18:03I would love to see continued incremental seizure.
18:07Because I know that, for example, case in point,
18:10I am recovered, 77 pistols.
18:12What we saw just on the video.
18:13Yes, that was a first note.
18:15But that should be 78.
18:16Yes.
18:17If the intelligence comes and, you know,
18:18so just by way of analysis.
18:20But as well, I'm seeing the ecstasy, the cocaine,
18:23the heroin, and so forth.
18:25And I can easily add to that.
18:26In recent times, I receive cogent information
18:30from the transit unit police where they had calls
18:31to stop a subject.
18:32And he had items on him that they believed at the time
18:37was a dangerous drug.
18:38The forensic science has since proven that the dangerous drug ketamine,
18:43a very dangerous drug, was proven by a certificate of analysis.
18:46So I can easily say for that column in terms of the dangerous drug
18:50that you also have ketamine featuring in Trinidad and Tobagoone.
18:54For those who are aware, or I should say those who are not aware of ketamine,
18:59it's a very, very potent and dangerous drug.
19:03As a matter of fact, the intelligence have suggested
19:08that persons who are involved in human trafficking,
19:11that that's the drug that they give to the victims
19:14so that they are disoriented to be able to exploit them sexually and otherwise.
19:18So very, very, very serious matters where ketamine is circulating in our domain.
19:24So I'm just saying to, again, to the parents and children,
19:26be careful, be careful, be careful in terms of what's happening over there
19:31and be exercised due diligence in terms of where these drugs are circulating
19:35and where your children is concerned.
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21:45As the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service continues to protect and serve with pride,
21:51We are calling on all citizens of Trinidad and Tobago to get on board with us to ensure that everyone
21:58is able to live in a crime-free society.
22:03Are you on board?
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22:14Let us save the youth of the nation.
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22:58I am Charles Jason Gordon, the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Port of Spain.
23:03I am on board in the TTPS fight against crime.
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23:22Welcome back.
23:23It's Legally Speaking Wednesdays with our junior at law, Mr. Ali,
23:26who is here with us, of course, to give us the knowledge that is needed.
23:29Quickly, we get some quick information with regards the situation that's happening in Tobago.
23:34So thank you very much, Whitney.
23:35So just the undertaking that I give, I've spoken to very senior officers in the police service,
23:40and I can indicate at this time that the search has intensified.
23:45There's no sight of the individual at this time.
23:48However, the search has intensified, and it will be continuing.
23:50So we'll keep the public up to date in terms of where the search is concerned.
23:53Yes, thank you so much, Mr. Ali.
23:54We head to the phone lines now.
23:56Caller, good evening.
23:57Good evening.
23:58Good evening, Ms. Husband, and a very good evening to the director.
24:01Good evening to you, sir.
24:22Good evening to you, sir.
24:32These news areily paper.
24:32The other 뉴�ic� Give to us is nobody's above the law.
24:34Sunday newspaper had an article, with respect to the IRCB, registration recognition verification
24:48board.
24:49However, that article indicated a number of outstanding judgments with respect to judgment in the industrial court.
25:04Justice denied is justice delayed.
25:07It is alleged that a number of these judgments were delayed because there might have been a quick pro quo
25:20with respect to reappointment.
25:23Some judgments have been 10 years old.
25:26Some judges have 73 outstanding.
25:30And this is where I am asking you, and by extension the TTPS, boldly go where no man has gone
25:38before.
25:40Can the police insert themselves into this issue?
25:44Because if what I'm hearing and the allegations are these people most likely, and I'm putting quote-unquote, misbehavior in
25:55public office, a white-collar crime.
25:57As I alluded last week, a criminal enterprise based on my opinion in the municipal corporations, I am asking if
26:06the police, if they have a command of their profession, and if they could possibly intervene and investigate misbehavior in
26:16public office and some of those judges who have long-outstanding judgment to make.
26:23I'm going to have a nice evening.
26:25Thank you, Kola.
26:26Thank you very much, Kola.
26:27Kola, I think it's a very sensitive question that you asked me, and a unique one as well.
26:32And perhaps you have tabled a very, very interesting offense of misbehavior in public office, which is very wide.
26:37It really deals with public officials, and those persons who hold public offices, of course it will be applicable to
26:43them.
26:43However, the circumstances and the facts must be properly thought out.
26:46And perhaps I may want to suggest, to support the call that you made, because we are looking at transparency
26:52and accountability, where you have the president of the Industrial Court, and also you have the Honorable Chief Justice.
26:57I think both are well positioned to call for an inquiry as to what is happening to see whether, in
27:01fact, it was administrative issues and other issues, or whether, in fact, the findings suggest that it may require criminal
27:08investigation.
27:09So I think we have to take it in a structured way, but, you know, as always, you know, you
27:13raise very topical and very sensitive matters that requires a particular approach.
27:18But thank you very much for your participation and contributing to the democracy of Trinidad and Tobago.
27:26We have another caller.
27:28Caller, good evening.
27:30Hello, good evening.
27:31Good evening, ma'am.
27:32Good evening, Mr. Huspers.
27:34Good evening to you, Mr. Ali.
27:35Good evening to you, ma'am.
27:36Mr. Ali, I just hope I don't overwhelm you this afternoon.
27:39I have a few things, right, to talk about.
27:42Just allow me, please.
27:44Certainly.
27:44First of all, Trinidad and Tobago, we need to do better.
27:47In reference to the bodies that were found for those children, the babies, when it comes to our children, our
27:55women, and the elderly, we need to do better.
27:58Now, they say a judge is a sinner, but I just wanted to know, Mr. Ali, can a program be
28:03set up like if someone has a child and they may need help to claim the bodies,
28:10or they may need some type of therapy so that the body is claimed?
28:14I mean, these are miracles that are given to us, and we're not handling these miracles in the proper manner.
28:18So I don't know if there's a system that if you have a child that is still born or the
28:24child didn't make it, can they have some type of therapy process where they can get help after, you know,
28:31those bodies, instead of just leaving them there unclaimed?
28:35That's my first question.
28:37My second question is, in terms of a precedent needs to be set with those school children that attack that
28:44alderman, there's something that needs to be done.
28:47I believe that, you know, the symposium that you have for the mandatory, there should be mandatory classes where the
28:54parents, along with the children, should attend these mandatory classes, parenting classes,
28:59as well as behavioral classes before they are accepted back into the, back into the school system.
29:06Um, I just, my heart just, Ms. Ali, it's really disheartening everything that's taking place with our children.
29:12Um, all I want to stop, leave by saying today, we'll be unto you that harm one of these little
29:18ones, it's better you throw, put a millstone around your neck and throw yourself in the depth of the seat.
29:24Not just that, we think about harming as physical, like, you know, sexual or physical abuse, we did emotional abuse,
29:33psychological abuse.
29:34For these people that are killing these parents and leaving these children without mothers, without fathers, what are we doing?
29:42How are we raising? How are these children not supposed to feel?
29:45What type of society do we have if we don't look at the butt now?
29:51Thank you so much, Kola.
29:52Ms. Ali.
29:53Thank you very much, Kola.
29:54Kola, you read some very, um, piercing questions.
29:56And I'm happy that you went into the direction of the vulnerability of our children.
30:00The first point, in terms of where, um, the, the babies and young children is concerned, he took us into
30:09the area of, um, promoting mental health.
30:12Yes.
30:12Because that's not the end of the story when you dispose.
30:15You leave a parent, or parents as the case may be, and it's important to have that intervention to ensure
30:20that we promote good mental health.
30:22And, you know, that psychosocial concept that I've been talking about, you know, Whitney here, sometimes we don't pay attention.
30:29This is a dangerous place, sir.
30:30This is a dangerous place, and this controls the entire body.
30:34And that psychosocial intervention is extremely important.
30:36So, Kola, I'm happy that you called for that in terms of promoting mental health and ensure that we render
30:40the necessary assistance to these persons who may have been in that situation.
30:44Um, but our front city issue with the alderman.
30:47Yes.
30:47You know, we are.
30:48Yes.
30:49Yes, we are aware that there's a criminal investigation is unfolding, and we, um, will wait to see the outcome
30:55of that investigation.
30:56What I can say, and I will take the liberty to say it here, that there's deep contemplation for a
31:02visit to that particular school, perhaps, in the next couple of days.
31:05And I'll say no more this time to ensure that while five persons may have been suspended thus far, who
31:10may have been suspected of being involved in the act of violence.
31:13Yes.
31:14And criminality, um, based on what we have seen, there's a population, there's other persons in the school, and we
31:21don't know whether, in fact, um, the, the, the other persons are affected, psychosocial, in terms of what they have
31:28seen, or whether there were other persons who may be likely-minded, um, that we need to get to immediately.
31:33And I made a point this morning, Whitney, that don't wait for something to flare.
31:37Don't wait for an occurrence, like what happened with the alderman, to say, okay, well, then something needs to be
31:41done in a school.
31:43It's children we are dealing with, and concerted, consistent, sustained intervention is always required.
31:48You know, let's put ourselves back when we were children.
31:51We are in a theater development, so we need to be consistently reminded.
31:54That's the part of learning, and if we do not recognize that, we will find that we will be not
32:00doing our children justice.
32:01So, that particular entity and other entities, it's important for this engagement.
32:05So, perhaps in the next couple of hours on this.
32:07I also had corporal punishment.
32:09Well.
32:09Just saying.
32:10Yes.
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35:22I'm Sergeant Batson, the Police Strategic Road Safety Project Coordinator.
35:27Today the TTPS will be embarking on a little project to help educate road users.
35:32And we wish to remind motorists the importance of obeying road traffic regulations
35:37to help keep the roads safer.
35:39Whether you're a pedestrian, a driver, a motorcyclist or a cyclist, we all have our part to play.
35:45Today we are dealing with road safety.
35:48Everyone believes that they are safe drivers.
35:51But how can you obey the law if you don't know the regulations?
35:55So today we are testing your knowledge of the regulations and taking you back to basics.
36:03So I have a question for you sir.
36:05Yes, talk to me.
36:06How about if I ask you two questions and give you one sign signal or sign?
36:11Alright, go ahead.
36:12Alright?
36:12Yeah, go ahead.
36:13So number one.
36:15Number one.
36:15If the signal light changes from green to amber light as you approach the intersection,
36:22what must you do?
36:23A. Stop.
36:24If a stop cannot be made safely, proceed with caution.
36:27B. Song the horn to warn the pedestrians and other drivers.
36:31C. Continue through the intersection without slowing or stopping.
36:35D. Speed up to clear the intersections as quickly as possible.
36:39So which answer is number one?
36:42A.
36:43Good.
36:45Question two, right?
36:46Which of the following actions, when performed while driving, is considered distracted driving?
36:53Texting?
36:54Talking on the phone?
36:55Adjusting the radio?
36:57Focusing on the family?
36:59Only about sir.
37:06Only about sir.
37:08Right?
37:09Yeah.
37:09This nice big red dot here.
37:12With the dash in the middle here.
37:14What does that sign mean?
37:18I can't remember.
37:19That is an easy one, man, sir, man.
37:21You're supposed to have that.
37:22I hear you.
37:23I hear you.
37:23That's been a long time.
37:24Before you even had your license.
37:26Hey, what are you doing?
37:26I retired or I don't be on the road?
37:28Right.
37:28So that is what?
37:29And these kind of things?
37:30So what I mean?
37:31I'm not parking there.
37:32So yeah, huh?
37:33Am I in park there or I ain't going in that direction?
37:35Yeah, but if you see all the traffic going that way and you see that sign somewhere.
37:39The one way.
37:40And nobody can't go down there, they're going left, they're going.
37:43But then there's a one way.
37:45So there's a no entry sign?
37:46No entry?
37:47All right.
37:48Come on, man.
37:49But you ain't do bad.
37:51Yeah, yeah, yeah.
37:51Right?
37:52These are good things a little bit.
37:53But here's what I want to do, right?
37:55I want you to just take a little sharp on the regulations.
37:59Right?
37:59No problem.
37:59And also encourage others to do so.
38:02I will do that.
38:02Especially the younger drivers, right?
38:03I will do that.
38:04I will do that.
38:04I appreciate that.
38:05So sir, even though you get two out of three, we're going to still take that, right?
38:10Yes, sir.
38:11So you have a good day.
38:12And thank you for participating, right?
38:14No problem.
38:15Well, all right.
38:15That was one of the drivers.
38:16We stopped there and he did too bad.
38:22Two out of three is not that bad, but we're looking to get a three out of three.
38:25Because road signs are very important and road signs can save lives.
38:29So we're going to try again and let me see if we can get somebody to get a three out
38:33of three.
38:42Back to basic street smart.
38:44I told you, I am not worried about you.
38:47Well, you know, Whitney, I just want to put on probably two things on that.
38:50Because I think it's important for us to, you know, blow it up a little bit.
38:52You see the first question with reference to the green light and then the amber comes?
38:56Should it add on to be who has changed that regulation?
38:59In what way?
39:00Please tell me.
39:01Persons believe that when you're on green.
39:03Yes.
39:03And you see amber.
39:05That is when they start to accelerate.
39:07Yes.
39:07And I want them to pay attention to exactly what should be done in terms of that stop.
39:12Prepare to stop when you see that green turning to amber.
39:15And if you cannot.
39:16Proceed with caution.
39:17Yeah.
39:18And I want us to understand that because sometimes we're in green and you see the amber.
39:21Now you're trying to escalate now because you want to get.
39:23And that is a very, very dangerous development.
39:26So I just want to blow that up a little bit in terms of that particular point.
39:30And then the second issue in terms of the no entry.
39:32Yes.
39:33And probably you can assist me here.
39:35And it goes to show sometimes, you know, whether we pay that deep attention or not.
39:39Then that sign, does it also carries or connotates the no entry?
39:45N-O-E-N-T-R-Y?
39:47Sometimes, yes.
39:48And sometimes they don't.
39:49Sometimes.
39:49And I think what should be coming out of this.
39:51I think that not only looking at the sign, but we should also have in my respect with you public
39:55consideration to have it written as well.
39:57So those who are not recognizing the sign, maybe they can read because it may sound simple, but a no
40:03entry means that's deadly.
40:05Yes.
40:06And not forgetting when they place the time.
40:08Yes.
40:09Date and time.
40:10That's correct.
40:10And not allowing you to enter into a set street or make a turn.
40:13That's correct.
40:14That's all got more tickets.
40:15That's correct.
40:15And I want to make one more point again that perhaps with this, going back to the basics, I think
40:20in the public interest, if we have seen motorists being stopped and you realize there's some difficulty in recognizing signs
40:26or in some of the questions that are posed to the motorists, I think it may be a good time
40:31to consider, maybe every so often, to go back for reclassification because you are, and I always said, you are
40:37handling a vehicle which is a weapon if you are not careful.
40:40But again, I want to commend the TTPS for the initiative. I think it's excellent. It's exciting. And, you know,
40:46it will force me to open the regulations, open the signs and become students.
40:50Yes.
40:51You know, so yeah, I have to.
40:52That's why you were on your phone just now.
40:53Well, I have to remember you, you, you, you, you, you, you hinted to me that you're going to put
40:56me on that. So I want to make sure that I'm ready for you.
40:59All right. We have a caller. Caller. Good evening.
41:03Hello.
41:04Hello.
41:04Good evening.
41:05Hi. Good evening.
41:06Good evening, Officer Ali.
41:07Good evening to you, ma'am.
41:10Yes.
41:11Officer, you, you see that, right, it, back to basics, it's very, it's very good, you know, and sometimes, you
41:17know, some of the same questions come up.
41:18You may have to look and they'll know exactly what it's taken to.
41:22Anyway, Officer, I looked at another program, I'm sure, one of the, I've seen the money ride, shared drivers, where
41:27somebody took him.
41:29Took him with his vehicle, carried him somewhere up Laventil, and put him in, you know, in these abandoned buildings,
41:37questioning him,
41:38and they met some other persons up there waiting on them to be this person who took him.
41:44He had had other persons there.
41:45And the questions that they were asking, they said, we're not killing anybody tonight.
41:48We're not killing anybody tonight.
41:49We're not killing anybody tonight.
41:50But we just wanted to cooperate with us.
41:52They asked him all sorts of questions, you know, whether he, he has any, you know, like,
41:57whatever, how much money he has, they asked him for his number.
42:02When he gave him number, he said he don't have much money.
42:04They tied him.
42:05They tied him.
42:06They tied him.
42:07They tied him.
42:07They blindfolded him.
42:08And they kept asking him all sorts of questions, including, you want some water?
42:12Whether you want some water?
42:13He said, no, no, thank you.
42:14He said, all I want is to get out of here.
42:16And he said, well, we want to just kill us.
42:18We're not killing anybody tonight.
42:20But we want to just get this question.
42:21I think he has a GPS.
42:23He said, no.
42:23Let me check out in this area.
42:25He said, we're lying in our GPS.
42:27Other personnel.
42:27So when we are finished with you, we just let you go.
42:29You just go right off and don't even look back, you know.
42:32But I'm saying something needs to be done about somebody.
42:34You must have seen that vehicle.
42:36Something needs to be done about that.
42:37And, also, the abandoned buildings.
42:40People who are using the abandoned buildings to do all sorts of things.
42:44All sorts of unlawful things.
42:46Are there any laws concerning these abandoned buildings?
42:48Remember, we had one down here.
42:50And they would do all sorts of things.
42:52And then, next thing you know, fire.
42:53Somebody set us up fire.
42:55I said, any laws already deal with these abandoned buildings?
42:57And they belong to somebody.
42:59And people are just moving.
43:01As soon as you see nobody there, they're just moving.
43:02And do all sorts of things with these abandoned buildings.
43:05Another thing, it's so sad with the child in Tobago.
43:09I remember one grandmother who did her, when the child was in a pool or something,
43:14she committed suicide and it was really, really, really bad.
43:17So, I do hope that something comes out of this one.
43:20And, I don't know.
43:22Because, they say you cannot do anything until they find the child and they do the PM.
43:27Because, they want to know exactly what killed the child or whatever.
43:31Anyhow, all the best to all of you.
43:33But, I want to know what can be done about these abandoned buildings.
43:37They will just take away place, do what they want in it, and get away with it.
43:42All the best to all of you.
43:43Thank you very much.
43:44Thank you so much, ma'am.
43:45Mr. Ali.
43:45Thank you very much, Kola.
43:46I want to start.
43:47Let me deal with the abandoned buildings.
43:49And, you know, recently, I want to just publicly indicate that I had a discussion with the new assistant commissioner
43:54for municipal police, Mr. Wayne Meister.
43:56Yes.
43:57And, this derelict building or building that abandoned will go straight into the aspect of municipal police to pay attention
44:04from a district context.
44:05And, buildings that are unoccupied are causing a public nuisance.
44:08In this case, where persons may have used it for criminal activities.
44:12There are processes that can be adopted to hold persons accountable, whether it be, even if the building belongs to
44:19the state as the owner and, you know, someone may be enjoying a tenancy.
44:23Yeah.
44:23But, maybe, you know, scared out of the building and the building remain, you know, unoccupied.
44:29You know, there are things that can be done in terms of both from a public and a private context.
44:33So, I'm speaking to the ACP and the municipal police to be able to deal with that, including the national
44:37police.
44:39The issue that she spoke about with the Kitty Wright chair.
44:42I'm sure.
44:42No, I do not.
44:43I haven't seen the video.
44:45And, you know, I don't want to comment, you know, recklessly on the video.
44:48But, you know, we need to look at circumstances deeply.
44:50And, I'm not saying, and I want to be very careful, I'm not saying this is a dark situation.
44:53But, when you see a situation like that, it's always important to look at the victimology as to someone being
44:59placed in that particular situation.
45:01And, if you look at our victimology, Whitney, sometimes people expose themselves.
45:04People expose themselves.
45:06They get involved in activities.
45:08Perhaps.
45:08Crime of opportunity.
45:10But, not only crime of opportunity.
45:11They may have been used to facilitate some transportation.
45:16Something may have been lost.
45:17And, those engagements is to recover things that may have been lost.
45:20Or, those persons may have put in information about other things.
45:23So, you really have to look at the person and see whether, in fact, it's truly innocent.
45:28In terms of where the perpetrators are looking for a crime of opportunity, whether robbery or otherwise.
45:31Or, whether those persons are linked, whether solidly or broken to that particular group.
45:37And, they believe that, okay, they can use them to, you know.
45:40Exploit.
45:41Exploit.
45:41A beautiful word.
45:42Exploitation.
45:42Exploitation.
45:43So, that will cover those two things in terms of what you have asked about.
45:46But, the buildings, I am very much interested in terms of how we view buildings that are particularly causing public
45:56nuisance.
45:57Because, definitely in this situation here, what should be happening and where you have high rise and so forth.
46:01Police patrol, municipal and national police, should be actually going up on the various platforms.
46:07So, do not only do a patrol or an engagement at ground level.
46:12Because, there are different floors.
46:13You are not going up any various floors to know what's happening.
46:16Because, you may go up and someone may say,
46:19Officer, room 19 need to be checked.
46:21Yeah.
46:22But, if you are not going up, you may miss that opportunity.
46:25Or, you may not know that there is an unoccupied apartment that is being conducive to criminal activities.
46:30Alright.
46:31We need to take that break.
46:32We will be back.
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49:06Any time you leave your keys in the ignition when you pull up to your driveway, you make yourself an
49:12easy target for theft and robbery.
49:16Make it tough for criminals.
49:18Don't give them a chance.
49:20Switch off your engine, remove your keys and stay alert.
49:24A message from the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
49:40And welcome back to Legally Speaking Wednesdays.
49:43Now we just have some information for the public when it comes to the TTPS town meetings.
49:47And this is happening tomorrow, which is the 14th of May, in the North Central Division Town Meeting at Five
49:53Rivers Secondary School Range Road, Five Rivers Aruka from 6 p.m.
49:59So make sure if you need to gather more information, you can follow them also on social media to find
50:03out more.
50:04Also, on that same day, the different location that is in the Southern Division at the Gulfview Community Center, number
50:12one, Recreation Avenue, Gulfview, La Romaine.
50:15You have the opportunity to also show up.
50:18It starts at 6 p.m.
50:20So persons in the community, this is very important that you show up, engage with the officers, let them know
50:25some of your concerns, so we are able to rectify and make your community a better place.
50:30We have a call online.
50:31Call a good evening.
50:32Yeah, present to you, Whitney and Sally.
50:35No, Sally, I was not seen there with the child.
50:38When they said, Sally, look at the distance that house is on the hill to the sea.
50:43I don't believe that child dropped.
50:45I believe that child was taken.
50:47And they said, take some time, Sally, because that child was really safe.
50:51Where was the people in the charter, that child wasn't checking on the child.
50:54They said, look at the distance that house is on the hill to the sea.
50:57I believe that child was taken from that home there.
51:00And the other thing is traffic offenses and traffic regulations, Sally.
51:06Did you ever come across people turning in?
51:08One of the traffic laws need revisited is turn it right.
51:13People turn it right in front of you.
51:16Bad boys, they know that.
51:17Bad boys don't give no signal.
51:19No indicators.
51:20They pull on you and turn it right just like that.
51:23And you get in contact with them and want to fight, you know.
51:27That law need revisited.
51:49That's serious.
51:50That's a very serious thing.
51:51How about this one?
51:53Thank you so much.
51:54Thank you very much, Kola.
51:55You know, for your contribution as always.
51:57You know, with me taking me into the context where we're looking at signs and particular
52:01regulations, we have spoken about driving without due care and attention.
52:05Correct.
52:05And all these things that we are seeing there in terms of looking at the road signs and
52:07regulations and what he has just described.
52:10That offence of driving without due care and attention in my respect is a very important
52:14offence.
52:15And it's a very wide offence as well.
52:17It can be captured in many different things.
52:19And, you know, I will ask the motorists to look and engage and understand what it is or what
52:25it means to be driving with due care and attention.
52:27And it simply means it's observing what?
52:29The laws and regulation that governs you on the road.
52:31And it will cover all the things that we are speaking about.
52:33So, the laws are put there for a particular purpose.
52:36And you must understand the purpose so that when you come in charge of a vehicle, you
52:41will understand what it is to drive with due care and attention.
52:44And it may even go a situation where environmental factors may also contribute to you saying,
52:48okay, you road wet.
52:50While I may have the opportunity to drive 100, this may be a situation where I need to
52:54exercise some caution and drive maybe about a 60 or 70.
52:57Because you could drive 100 means you need to.
52:59That's the point.
53:00That's the point.
53:00That's the level of responsibility that requires.
53:01So, excellent engagement and advocacy.
53:05But every driver, every single driver.
53:07Whitney, let's speak to us.
53:08You speak to me.
53:09I speak to you.
53:10We have a responsibility when we put our hands on that steering.
53:14When we pull that seat belt.
53:15When we fix that or every mirror.
53:16And we start to move on the nation's road.
53:18We have a responsibility.
53:21Self-preservation.
53:22And then you do take care to every single person that we may come into contact.
53:26That's your responsibility.
53:27All right.
53:27We have another caller.
53:28Caller.
53:28Good evening.
53:31Hello.
53:32Good evening.
53:33Hello.
53:34Good evening.
53:34Good evening.
53:35Caller.
53:36Yes.
53:37I want to make a contribution.
53:39This is particularly the corporate from Homeland Security.
53:44It's all about policy.
53:47And my mind ran on those youngsters who were involved in the FRACA.
53:54For me, and I know the government talked about, the Minister of Justice, I think talked about probation.
54:02This is an issue.
54:06This is an issue.
54:06Where the probation department, right?
54:08Supposed to get involved.
54:10These people should be placed under probation, supervision order.
54:13But, yes.
54:15But not only supervision, you know.
54:17A particular program needs to be implemented with these people.
54:22And it is called aggression replacement training.
54:25With three components.
54:27There are more the behavior components.
54:30The social skills training program.
54:32Which deals with the personal skills.
54:35To deal with the anger-provoking events.
54:37This is based on the assumption that there are the physics, right?
54:41That causes this kind of behavior.
54:42But more than that, policy makers.
54:47They must be also shown the ten social skills.
54:50The five cognitive and five affectives.
54:54And also the moral aspects.
54:56Then they must be exposed to anger training.
54:59Anger control training.
55:01The effective components, right?
55:04To teach them how to reduce their affective impulses, right?
55:08Before they get involved with the anger.
55:10They must be under control based with competency.
55:14And last but not least.
55:16The aspect of moral reasoning.
55:18The cognitive component.
55:21Right?
55:21So that the young person's level of fairness, justice and concern
55:26for the needs of the rights of others.
55:28Must be emphasized.
55:31Now, this goes beyond just supervision.
55:35It's what you call aggression replacement training.
55:39Cognitive behavioral therapy.
55:42Right?
55:42It's a nine-month program.
55:44And the parents must also attend this.
55:48Just suspending or expelling, right?
55:51Is not dealing with the situation.
55:54Because even if you're expelling and you go elsewhere,
55:57you have intervened in the aggression training.
56:01So I'm suggesting the probation department.
56:04They must be there.
56:05Right?
56:05Together with the school, the school social worker.
56:10And then the community policing.
56:11But we have to understand what are these critical community justice tools
56:18that they can use in their, in under police groups as prevention.
56:26And not after the fact.
56:28I hope you could bring this to the policy and discuss that with the Ministry of Justice.
56:33They call it thinking for a change and aggression.
56:36Right?
56:36Replacement training.
56:37These are what they call cognitive behavioral therapies.
56:41That deal with relinquency.
56:43That deal with our wounded spirits.
56:46That deal with bringing the youth to start to think and in better.
56:49It's all part of the development of culture and the rule of law and restoration.
56:56Right?
56:56All right.
56:57Thank you so much, Kola.
56:59Thank you very much, Kola.
57:00Kola, quite a lot.
57:01You have given me a draft policy.
57:02Yes, yes, yes.
57:03The areas that you have gone to, you know, you are on point in terms of having an institution
57:09with proper systems and structure and people with the expertise to be able to receive these persons
57:14who are suspended so that there's rehabilitation, you know, restorative justice.
57:18And, you know, you give me a very, you trigger something in my mind.
57:22An important stakeholder that I need to get on board immediately is the probation department.
57:27That's a very significant matter as it relates to young offenders.
57:30So thank you very much for your draft policy.
57:32I have internalized.
57:34And as soon as I come off, I'm going to put it into writing.
57:36All right.
57:37We have a few seconds.
57:38Sure.
57:38Mr. Ali, you have the opportunity to speak to the public.
57:40Well, I hope that this afternoon that we get some closure.
57:43Yes.
57:43And I hope that the closure is positive.
57:45You know, I'm always optimistic.
57:47I always, you know, want to have hope.
57:48But I think that when we've seen our children and the vulnerability for our children,
57:52as a nation, let us observe some level of prayer.
57:55And I've met with the interreligious organization yesterday.
57:59And I have urged them that they need to come and play a deeper role.
58:03And perhaps in the next couple of days as well, we are looking at having maybe an evening or a
58:07day of prayer
58:08to really recognize what's happening in Trinidad and Tobago.
58:10So that we complementing law enforcement activities, preventative measures,
58:14and ensuring that there's some level of spirituality as well.
58:17These things are very, very serious matters.
58:19And I hope that the citizenry treat it as serious matters.
58:22Salah, we'd like to thank you so much for being here with us.
58:24Most certainly.
58:25And every Wednesday to give us the knowledge and information that's needed
58:28Yes.
58:28To make us better people and understanding the law.
58:30Yes.
58:31And of course, we wish you the end of the week.
58:33Yes.
58:33A great and safe one.
58:35Up next, we get ready for news TNT coming up at 7 o'clock.
58:37We'll be back tomorrow where we will see and also hear ASP Rusty.
58:41He's going to be back.
58:42God bless.
58:43See you tomorrow.
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