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03:15Good evening Trinidad and Tobago and to our international audience.
03:18This is Beyond the Tape.
03:20I'm your host Whitney Husbands.
03:22Now today is Wednesday.
03:23So that means it's Legally Speaking Wednesdays.
03:25And as per usual, we have a lot to discuss and a lot to learn.
03:30And to help us on this day, we have my favorite co-hosts.
03:32Or one up before people get jealous.
03:34One of my favorite co-hosts on a Wednesday.
03:36We have our attorney at law and also the director of policy and support
03:40when it comes to the Ministry of Homeland Security, Mr. Zaheer Ali.
03:45Good evening to you, sir.
03:47Well, good evening to you, Whitney.
03:48And Whitney, this afternoon somehow feels very special.
03:52Yeah?
03:53Yeah.
03:53It feels very special.
03:54And, you know, before I do so, let me pay my respects first
04:00so that I will gather the support from...
04:15Good evening Trinidad and Tobago and to our international audience.
04:18This is Beyond the Tape.
04:19I'm your host Whitney Husbands.
04:21Now today is Wednesday.
04:22So that means it's Legally Speaking Wednesdays.
04:25And as per usual, we have a lot to discuss and a lot to learn.
04:29And to help us on this day, we have my favorite co-hosts.
04:32Or one up before people get jealous.
04:34One of my favorite co-hosts on a Wednesday.
04:36We have our attorney at law and also the director of policy and support
04:40when it comes to the Ministry of Homeland Security, Mr. Zaheer Ali.
04:45Good evening to you, sir.
04:46Well, good evening to you, Whitney.
04:48And Whitney, this afternoon somehow feels very special.
04:52Yeah?
04:52Yeah, it feels very special.
04:54And, you know, before I do so, let me pay my respects first
04:59so that I will gather the support from the citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago
05:06who I hold very dearly to my heart
05:08or law enforcement agencies who continue to fight, a good fight
05:13in light of all the challenges
05:15or family on Beyond the Tape, Jackie and, you know, others behind the scenes,
05:20TV6 family and persons who may be viewing and listening out of the jurisdiction.
05:26You know, introduced me this afternoon as director of policy and community support.
05:31Yes.
05:31But I want to also indicate to you that in a previous dispensation,
05:35I'm also, why should I say, I also enjoy a background of intelligence.
05:41And I received some intelligence today and I want to take the opportunity
05:46to read the intelligence that I received today.
05:48I don't know how you will receive this, but I think I need to read this intelligence verbatim
05:52and to read it to the national community.
05:56And perhaps you'll be able to confirm whether this intelligence is confirmed intelligence
06:02or whether it is propaganda and whether we need to dismiss it.
06:05So please permit me to read it and then you will confirm.
06:08So I'm giving you a very...
06:08You don't track on your using right now?
06:09Okay.
06:10All right.
06:10Right.
06:10So I'm going to give you a big, big, big responsibility to listen to this intelligence carefully.
06:15And it goes like this.
06:17So the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago.
06:21A very happy birthday to someone we deeply appreciate
06:24and cannot thank enough for her invaluable contribution
06:29to our fight against crime and criminality.
06:32We extend our sincere gratitude for the vital role you play
06:36in bridging the gap between Trinidad and Tobago Police Service and the public.
06:41Your dedication to being a strong and credible voice for the community
06:45while helping to amplify the positive messages of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service
06:50truly sets you apart.
06:52Your commitment, professionalism, and passion for service
06:56make you an exceptional individual
06:58and your contributions continue to strengthen
07:00public trust and engagement in the police service.
07:03On this special day, we celebrate you and wish you continued success,
07:08good health, and God's guidance in all that you do.
07:11Happy birthday from the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service
07:14Corporate Communications Department.
07:16And I want to take this opportunity as well on behalf of the entire citizenry
07:19of Trinidad and Tobago
07:20who see you on a daily basis during the week.
07:23Jackie and other family members on beyond the TV6 family,
07:27the law enforcement agencies,
07:28beyond the TTPS,
07:30and all those who may be viewing and listening out on the jurisdiction.
07:33Permit me to give you a hug
07:34on this very, very special and beautiful day.
07:37And may God bless you with many more happy ones.
07:41I think that, you know, I've read very powerful words,
07:45but I don't think that words can really describe you as an individual.
07:48And, you know, as a woman, you have exemplified,
07:51you have led the woman in Trinidad and Tobago.
07:54And I, you know, just today would have been evidence
07:56when you entertained the Commissioner of Police as well
07:58on another platform.
07:59So, my lady, I salute you.
08:01May God continue to bless you with many more happy ones
08:03and, you know, continue to do justice
08:05to the people of Trinidad and Tobago.
08:07I don't know whether you're in a position now to dismiss this intelligence,
08:10whether in fact today is in fact that special day,
08:13or whether it may have been abelated,
08:15or whether it's to come.
08:17I'll leave that up to you now.
08:18So let's hear from you today.
08:20Well, the intelligence that was received
08:22while I'm trying to keep it all together
08:24and very professional is very much true.
08:28And I would like to say thank you
08:31on behalf of, I'm sure, the TTPS and including yourself
08:36and to Jackie,
08:38because I know Jackie had something up her sleeve
08:41and I'm an emotional person
08:43and I'm just trying to keep it together.
08:45But what I will say is that I'm truly humbled
08:47by the words that you just spoke
08:50and to the initial,
08:52and I hope that I'm able to continue
08:54to provide the service that is needed
08:57also to Mrs. Archie as well.
09:00I appreciate the support that is given
09:02and the confidence.
09:03I cannot forget Marlon Hopkinson
09:06along with the Minister of Homeland Security,
09:09Mr. Alexander,
09:11because when I started,
09:14they saw something in me
09:16and I was just a person filling in
09:18in big shoes
09:19and in a big pond,
09:21a huge pond,
09:22and it wasn't easy.
09:25And the way in which the citizens accepted me
09:28and I was still able to stand
09:30in my truth,
09:31in my own,
09:33it means a lot.
09:34I am truly, truly humble
09:35and it just goes to show
09:37that the work that I'm putting out
09:39is one that you'll appreciate
09:40and I hope I can continue
09:42to do so moving forward.
09:44But this,
09:44I wasn't expecting.
09:45It threw me off completely.
09:48Usually,
09:48I'm the one to three off a little bit,
09:49but it threw me off here this evening.
09:51Jackie,
09:52thank you so much to Lester,
09:53Neil,
09:53the entire team.
09:55Thank you so much
09:55to the TV6 management.
09:58We weren't supposed to start the show
09:59in this emotional state,
10:00but I'll keep it together.
10:02I'll keep it as professional as possible,
10:04but thank you.
10:05Well,
10:05thank you.
10:06You know,
10:06Whitney,
10:06I'll tell you that,
10:07you know,
10:07having been around many psychologists
10:10in recent times
10:11and social workers,
10:11what they have advised
10:12is that let the emotions flow.
10:14So if you have to let
10:16the tears of joy flow,
10:18I'm right here.
10:19I'll just collect them
10:20so they won't fall to the ground
10:21and I'll give it back to you.
10:22But,
10:22you know,
10:23you have been splendid
10:24and the persons
10:24that you have called upon
10:25in terms of recognizing
10:27your ability,
10:27you know,
10:28to be able to deliver
10:30on this particular program,
10:31I want to also endorse it.
10:32So as I said before,
10:34may God continue to bless you
10:35and many more
10:35and also your family
10:37because,
10:38you know,
10:38your parents,
10:40your siblings,
10:42your,
10:42you know,
10:43your entire family.
10:43I'm sure this,
10:44you know,
10:44proud moment.
10:45I'm sure they probably
10:45will surprise you
10:46later on this afternoon as well.
10:47If you need help
10:48to open those presents,
10:49feel free to call me.
10:51I'm standing by.
10:52So to Trinidad and Tobago,
10:54we can't hear you,
10:56all right,
10:56in terms of whether
10:56you're going to give
10:57a lusty round of applause
10:58or whether you're going
10:59to say happy birthday.
11:00I'm sure in a short while
11:01when the lines are open,
11:03you will have the opportunity
11:03to say happy birthday
11:04to Whitney.
11:05So Whitney,
11:06cheers.
11:07Cheers,
11:07yes.
11:08May God bless you.
11:10Yes.
11:10So,
11:11I mean,
11:12as we see,
11:13we put back on the hat.
11:14Yes.
11:14And I'm not flowing any tears
11:15because we have to remain strong
11:16with what we are doing here
11:18as we move forward
11:18and that is the most important thing.
11:20Certainly.
11:20And we are seeing
11:21that with changes
11:23and updates
11:24that are taking place
11:25and a major update
11:26that came to us
11:27and of course
11:28to the nation as well
11:29earlier this morning,
11:30very early this morning
11:31where the TTPS
11:33gave an update
11:34where the commissioner
11:36made it very clear
11:37no one above the law
11:39municipal police
11:40to be charged
11:41with murder
11:42and firearm offenses.
11:44Now,
11:45a 28-year-old
11:46municipal police officer
11:47is expected
11:47to be charged today
11:48for the murder
11:49of number 8072
11:52Corporal Anushka Eversley
11:54which occurred
11:55on Sunday,
11:5619th April,
11:572026
11:58at the San Fernando
11:59municipal police station
12:00Kings Wharf,
12:01San Fernando.
12:02Now,
12:02charges of robbery
12:03with violence,
12:04trafficking of firearms
12:06and possession of ammunition
12:07are also expected
12:08to be laid against
12:09the officer.
12:10Following advice
12:11received from
12:12the Director
12:12of Public Prosecution
12:14on Tuesday,
12:15the 21st of April,
12:162026.
12:18Now,
12:18commenting on the investigation
12:20we heard from
12:21the Commissioner
12:21Guevara
12:22where he stated
12:23and I quote,
12:24the swift
12:25and meticulous work
12:26of their investigators
12:28reflect the standard
12:29of professionalism
12:30the Trinidad and Tobago
12:32Police Service
12:33demands to itself.
12:35Their decisive action
12:37brings us closer
12:38to justice
12:39for the family
12:40and colleagues
12:41of Acting Corporal
12:42of Police Eversley.
12:44And for a nation
12:46traumatized
12:46by this deeply troubling
12:48act of betrayal,
12:49the lure of greed
12:50and quick money
12:51could never justify
12:53the betrayal
12:53of public trust.
12:55Whether you serve
12:56as estate police,
12:58transit police,
12:59municipal police,
12:59special reserve police
13:01or regular police,
13:03our oath binds us
13:04to a higher duty.
13:05For those who choose
13:06corruption and criminality,
13:08we will leave
13:09no stone unturned
13:11to remove you
13:11from among the officers
13:13who risk their lives
13:14daily to protect
13:15our citizens
13:16and place you
13:17instead among those
13:19who enjoy
13:20state-provided
13:21accommodations
13:22with reinforced
13:23burglar proofing
13:25and 24-hour security.
13:27The TTPS
13:28remains resolute
13:29in defining
13:30or defending
13:31that is
13:32the integrity
13:33of the barge.
13:35Well, Whitney,
13:36you took that word
13:39from my mouth
13:40in terms of
13:40I was not going to
13:41indicate to the
13:41Commissioner of Police
13:42which are not
13:43on to make a police
13:43service and support
13:44agencies
13:46a brilliant
13:47and an appropriate
13:48response
13:48in terms of
13:49the stage
13:51that we are
13:52in terms of
13:53where directions
13:54have been given
13:55to charge someone
13:57for that heinous crime
13:58that would have
13:59occurred in the
13:59Southern Division
14:00and to the
14:01Commissioner's word
14:02by that media release
14:03very strong focus
14:04very strong direction
14:06and I'm happy
14:07that he
14:07and I want to
14:08magnify or expound
14:09on the area
14:10in terms of
14:10we are not prepared
14:12and I'm saying that
14:13with the previous
14:14hat that I wear
14:15and in terms of
14:16being under the
14:16Ministry of Homeland Security
14:17that the citizens
14:18of this country
14:20require persons
14:21who are honest
14:22and sincere
14:23in executing
14:24the public functions
14:25and if we have
14:25persons among us
14:27especially where
14:27you're on oath
14:28to protect and
14:30serve the people
14:30of Trinidad and
14:31Tobago
14:31and you are
14:32using that
14:33power and that
14:34authority to commit
14:35crime and criminality
14:36I also want to
14:37join with the
14:37Police Commissioner
14:38to stamp all that
14:39once and for all
14:40so I think
14:40appropriate words
14:42strong response
14:43and all I'll say
14:43to the Commissioner
14:44respectfully
14:44that this
14:45particular matter
14:46because of the
14:47public interest
14:48it's a matter
14:49that you know
14:50you don't see
14:51every day
14:51I will strongly
14:53and humbly
14:53advise him
14:54to ensure
14:54that there's
14:55a dedicated
14:56task force
14:57to monitor
14:58this progress
14:58of this matter
14:59now in terms
14:59of where the
15:00court is concerned
15:01to ensure
15:01that we do not
15:02have a slip up
15:03when it comes
15:03to the proceedings
15:04and I hope
15:06that there's
15:06some expeditious
15:07proceedings
15:07so that justice
15:08will not be delayed
15:09in relation to this matter
15:11but salute the
15:11Trinidad and Tobago
15:12Police Service
15:13and all supporting
15:14agencies
15:14for a good piece
15:16of work
15:16thus far
15:17now Mr. Ali
15:18with this incident
15:19and other incidents
15:20that we see
15:20take place
15:21and persons
15:22are clearly
15:23disseminating information
15:25that are not factual
15:26and they're going
15:26based on
15:27hearsay
15:28they say
15:28them say
15:29and not even
15:30getting strong sources
15:32that could back
15:33what they're putting
15:34out there
15:34what would you say
15:35to individuals
15:35because we're getting
15:36so many stories
15:37from so many incidents
15:39that take place
15:40brilliant question
15:41already I should say
15:42a brilliant question
15:42and what I would say
15:44legally to Trinidad
15:45and Tobago
15:46I want to say
15:46to you all that
15:47if we are very
15:49concerned
15:49on which we should
15:50be about the
15:51administration of justice
15:52now that we are
15:54hearing that a
15:54criminal charge
15:55is going to be
15:55laid
15:55if it hasn't
15:57already been laid
15:58where this matter
15:59now becomes
15:59subjudice
16:00let us exercise
16:02responsible
16:03expressions
16:04and I even go
16:05as far to say
16:06responsible journalism
16:07to ensure
16:07that we do not
16:09prejudice
16:10or run afoul
16:11of the
16:12proper administration
16:13of justice
16:14that's one
16:14and number two
16:16from a criminal context
16:17there's an offense
16:18of tipping off
16:19in the law books
16:20of Trinidad and Tobago
16:21and if
16:22tipping off
16:22simply means
16:24disclosing
16:25information
16:26that may
16:27prejudice
16:28or likely
16:29to prejudice
16:29an ongoing investigation
16:31so while a person
16:32may have been charged
16:32the investigation
16:33is continuing
16:34because there may be
16:35other persons
16:35who may be responsible
16:36be very careful
16:38that you are not
16:38expressing
16:39or exercising
16:40your freedom of expression
16:41or exercising
16:43your freedom of the press
16:44and in the process
16:46you are learning
16:46into a tipping off
16:47where you are
16:47going to prejudice
16:48a criminal investigation
16:50and frustrate
16:51the ends of justice
16:52so take this
16:53in good stead
16:54yes we know
16:55that we might be
16:56interested
16:57to give an expression
16:58you know
16:59to have a story
17:00done
17:00but please exercise
17:01due diligence
17:02responsible journalism
17:04to ensure that
17:05we do not
17:06impact negatively
17:07this matter
17:08which I am certain
17:09even people
17:10out of the jurisdiction
17:11of Trinidad and Tobago
17:12are looking in to see
17:13it's one thing
17:14to arrest and charge
17:16but we must be able
17:17to ensure that
17:18this run the full length
17:19and breadth
17:19where we see a conviction
17:21and perhaps
17:22perhaps
17:23the first exercise
17:24of the death penalty
17:26in Trinidad and Tobago
17:27yes well said
17:28right now
17:28let's take a look
17:29at what's making
17:29our SOE update
17:31today
17:31the 22nd of April
17:332026
17:34number of operations
17:364,122
17:38number of target
17:40priority offenders
17:411,388
17:43searches conducted
17:442,377
17:47traffic operations
17:482,320
17:50total persons arrested
17:521,775
17:55total persons charged
17:564,17
17:59firearms recovered
18:00we're seeing a total
18:01of 129
18:02ammunition recovered
18:04with a total
18:04of 2,949
18:07and dangerous drugs
18:08seized
18:09we're seeing an increase
18:09with cocaine
18:10at this time
18:11Mr. Ali
18:12well thank you very much
18:13again Whitney
18:13for reading these statistics
18:14and you know
18:15I always salute
18:15the law enforcement efforts
18:16and my extension
18:17the partnership
18:17with the statistics
18:18reaction at Arden
18:19Tobago
18:19with reference to this
18:19and I will continue
18:20to do that
18:21every time you read
18:21these statistics
18:22just to go back
18:23to the matter
18:24that I referred to
18:25when I made reference
18:26to the first
18:28in reference
18:29to using the death penalty
18:30I'm not talking
18:31first and it's first
18:32because we had
18:33execution before
18:34but in a long time
18:35we haven't exercised
18:36so I should be more
18:36circumspect
18:37by indicating
18:38a resumption
18:40of the death penalty
18:41with this particular matter
18:42that's correct
18:43right now let's take a look
18:44at what's making
18:45today's headlines
19:13we'll see you next time
19:26and those were your stories
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19:33and 1997
19:34we'll take that short break
19:36we'll be back
19:49fabulous show
19:50excellent
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19:51it was wonderful
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22:17welcome back to legally speaking
22:18menses of course our junior law and director as well
22:21now mr ali i understand you had a great day
22:24excellent day today
22:25amazing day
22:26and when i hear young people
22:29and greatness
22:29combine
22:32what we could ask for
22:33and what better day to do it
22:35on the 22nd of april
22:37a day that you know
22:38a good servant of the soil
22:40celebrates her birthday
22:41i think so that
22:41that magnifies
22:42the importance of today
22:45you know i will also acknowledge
22:46the honorable prime minister as well
22:47she is also celebrating her brisley today as well
22:50kamala basad bisesa
22:51today is her brisley
22:52well let me take this opportunity
22:53and bless you where i sit
22:55to the honorable prime minister
22:56if you're listening to me
22:56um
22:57my lady i want to take this opportunity
22:59on behalf of
23:00all the citizens of trinidad and tobago
23:02all our visitors
23:04all of the persons who are listening and hearing this program
23:07and of course
23:08to our birthday girl whitney
23:10we want to join in wishing you a happy birthday
23:12may god bless you with
23:13good health strength
23:15and wisdom
23:17as you continue to lead trinidad and tobago
23:19in very challenging times
23:21we want to wish you a happy birthday
23:22may god bless you and your entire family
23:24yeah happy birthday to the pm of course
23:26yes
23:26so as we mentioned young people
23:28you went to eldorado west
23:30and what transpired there
23:32seems like it had a lot of activities
23:34well a lot whitney
23:35and whitney let me begin by saying
23:36and i'm very humble and emotional at the same time
23:39you would have been one who
23:41on this particular platform
23:43would have heard about the national symposium
23:45on vulnerable youths
23:46you would have heard about the execution
23:47of the national parenting seminar
23:49recently
23:50and you would have heard about the
23:52preventative steps
23:54on measures
23:54that the ministry of homeland security
23:56led by the honorable minister of homeland security
23:57mr roger d alexander
23:58who you spoke about a short while ago
24:00the permanent secretary
24:01and other technocrats
24:02in that ministry
24:03and by exception
24:04the policy and community support office
24:06with strong support
24:07from ministry of education
24:09the ministry of social development
24:10children's authority
24:11the ttps
24:12prison service
24:13the psychologist association
24:15the social workers
24:17sporting icons
24:18nun
24:19and
24:20state actors
24:22very very wide cross section
24:23and
24:24today
24:24was another
24:25step again
24:28with the salient calls
24:29to be able to engage
24:30our nation youths
24:31whether it be in a community level
24:32whether it be in a school level
24:33and i'm happy
24:34to indicate that today
24:36we launched
24:37a special
24:38psychosocial intervention
24:40and educational engagement
24:42at the el dorado
24:44secondary school west
24:46where we had
24:47the former west indies
24:49women's captain
24:49merissa aguilera
24:50we had corporal
24:52derek shabody
24:52we had
24:55a prison officer
24:57and an inmate
24:58who would have been charged
24:59and
24:59convicted
25:01and was serving a time
25:02and basically
25:03in a form of rehabilitation
25:04telling her story
25:05and you know
25:06sharing different life stories
25:08in a different context
25:08from sport
25:09law enforcement
25:10and otherwise
25:10to really encourage
25:11and inspire our young people
25:13at the
25:14at the
25:16engagement today
25:17what was very special
25:18with me
25:18and you spoke about it
25:19there was a forum
25:20that we asked these children
25:21to engage the professionals
25:23and
25:24the questions that became
25:25that came to us
25:26was very piercing questions
25:28questions that we saw
25:30that the children
25:32are very interested
25:33to be able to have dialogue
25:35with different professionals
25:36as a matter of fact
25:37I had to ask
25:38the principal
25:39and the
25:40the executive
25:41of that particular school
25:42to have some of the
25:43questions reduced in writing
25:44so that it can be provided
25:45to us
25:46to be able to respond
25:47because they were very active
25:48and here you see
25:48the honourable minister
25:49actually coming down
25:50to the level
25:51I don't know
25:51who is this guy here
25:53yeah I don't know
25:54you might be able to know
25:54who is this guy
25:55standing here
25:55I don't know
25:56if you recognize that guy
25:57Jackie could you go back
25:58yeah
25:58he looks very familiar
25:59yeah I don't know
26:00if you would know
26:00that guy there
26:01oh god
26:02he looks like
26:02the gentleman
26:03known as Mr Ali
26:04yeah I don't know
26:04whether he's a director
26:05giving directions there
26:06or pointing in a particular direction
26:08but it was a very humbling moment
26:11and may I say
26:12to Trinidad and Tobago
26:13and especially
26:14our nation's schools
26:15the honourable minister
26:16have indicated to me
26:17that he intends
26:18or I should say
26:18we intend
26:19to rule this out
26:20to as many schools as possible
26:21so we will be reaching out
26:22to various schools
26:23to find out
26:23what are the requirements
26:25what are the needs
26:25what sort of intervention
26:26that you're requiring
26:28at your particular location
26:29but all in all
26:30I salute all the stakeholders
26:31an excellent job
26:32and it was done
26:33in quick time with me
26:34we didn't have the luxury
26:35of time to plan this
26:37but what we saw today
26:38was a learning experience
26:39for us
26:39so we are
26:41as a matter of fact
26:41when we came back
26:42to the debrief exercise
26:43we already identified
26:44where we need to build
26:46where we need to improve
26:46and to the citizenry
26:47our parents
26:48our citizens
26:49feel free
26:49to make your contribution
26:51as to how you think
26:52that we can go forward
26:54because my intention
26:55is to bring people
26:55like yourself
26:57media personalities
26:58corporate Trinidad and Tobago
26:59even parents
27:01who have special stories
27:02even students
27:03past students
27:03from schools
27:04who may have excelled
27:05to be able to tell
27:06their story
27:06because Whitney
27:07we can only get
27:08out of the situation
27:09if each one
27:11teach each one
27:12that is where
27:13it's come down to
27:14so it's no longer
27:15one person
27:16having the solution
27:18but a society
27:20having a solution
27:20and we hope
27:21to continue
27:22to go along
27:24this preventative measures
27:25if we can
27:26seize this generation
27:27now
27:29perhaps we have
27:30a good prospect
27:32that's a good prospect
27:34and that is where
27:34we look in this season
27:35perhaps the TTPS
27:37and other law enforcement
27:37agencies
27:38can deal with
27:39the hard crime
27:40of those who are bent
27:41on not looking
27:42to conform
27:43with the rule of law
27:43so again
27:44I think it's a fulfilling
27:45experience
27:46and again I want to
27:46salute all the stakeholders
27:48for their response
27:49the Ministry of Education
27:50in particular
27:50for opening their doors
27:52to the Ministry of Homeland Security
27:53and I think that's
27:54the sort of partnership
27:55that we require
27:56as we go forward
27:57in Trinidad and Tobago
27:59so thank you very much Jackie
28:00thank you very much Whitney
28:01I'm really happy
28:01to see our DCP Benjamin
28:03there as well
28:04I missed him
28:04sorry
28:05and to Deputy Commissioner Benjamin
28:06I must indicate him
28:07and point him out
28:08this afternoon
28:09that there's no time
28:10that I reach out to him
28:11in my capacity as director
28:12and there's not
28:13a positive response
28:14so Mr. Deputy Commissioner Benjamin
28:16I want to salute you
28:17this afternoon
28:17you see he's very much focused
28:18yes and he always shows up
28:20when he's called too
28:22and he doesn't hesitate
28:23that's right
28:23that is what I love to see
28:24his presence is always felt
28:25that's right
28:26and you know
28:26he closes the proceedings
28:28you know
28:29with a word of prayer
28:29to be able to guide
28:31the students
28:32and by extension
28:32the teachers
28:33and to the principal
28:33and staff of the
28:34El Dorado Secondary School
28:36I want to also salute you
28:37and keep up the good work
28:38and let us continue to Bill
28:40on this engagement
28:42and the success
28:43that you would have been enjoying
28:44you know
28:45with your administration
28:45and your leadership as well
28:46so thank you very much
28:48to everyone
28:48now remember
28:49you all can give us a call
28:50at 623-1711
28:52extension 99
28:531996 and 1997
28:54we have a caller
28:55caller good evening
28:57hello
28:58hello good evening
29:00hi good evening sir
29:01good evening
29:02yes good evening
29:03thank you for taking my call
29:09I'm very inspired
29:10and I mean
29:11here watching the program
29:13the work you all did today
29:15with that group
29:15going down to the
29:16young people
29:17here at the West
29:19school
29:20you know
29:20it really
29:22sent me back thinking
29:24and
29:24we need more
29:25like what you all did today
29:26we need plenty more
29:28going on left, right and center
29:30north, south, east and west
29:31of Toronto
29:32but we need to save
29:33this generation
29:34of spirits
29:35I want to just
29:36piggyback on
29:37your preamble
29:40on the incident
29:41what you say
29:42that don't say anything
29:44but I just want to recommend
29:46as a former member
29:48of the defense
29:49I want to make a recommendation
29:50that that incident
29:52that took place
29:53they need to maybe
29:54look at
29:55having a forensic
29:56a forensic
29:58investigation
29:59or check
30:00of all the arms
30:01and armaments
30:01all the corporations
30:03all the municipal
30:04control corporations
30:05right because
30:06something like this
30:08should have never
30:09took place
30:10it's an embarrassment
30:11to the law enforcement
30:13and I'm saying
30:14that we must never
30:16like something like this
30:17happen
30:17we have a good criminal
30:19element
30:19and use
30:21we all
30:22to defeat us
30:23this is a shameful
30:25accrovers here
30:26and I am feeling
30:27one of the things
30:28that must happen
30:29we must just say
30:31isolate this one
30:32go all length of bridge
30:34where they have
30:35municipal police
30:36and have
30:37absolute arms
30:39and ammunition
30:39and have some
30:41forensic checks
30:42to let us know
30:43what is going on
30:44and put more
30:45systems in place
30:46to prevent
30:47these criminals
30:48these animals
30:49from coming in
30:50and causing
30:52this distress
30:53this is a very
30:54stressful situation
30:55but I sort of say
30:57condolences
30:58to that family
30:59who lost
31:00and their sibling
31:02there
31:03it's very hurtful
31:04and I'm saying
31:05again in closing
31:06something like this
31:08arm officer
31:09must never take place
31:10again
31:11never take place
31:12and it's very hurtful
31:14thank you
31:14thank you so much sir
31:16thank you very much
31:18Kola
31:18Kola I want to
31:19let me begin
31:19I was going to begin
31:20with the positives
31:21that you've advanced
31:22but I think that
31:23with that pain
31:24that I feel in your voice
31:25I'll deal with that first
31:26and as a citizen
31:27of this country
31:28I share your pain as well
31:30you know they say
31:31those who in the kitchen
31:32will feel the heat
31:33and only God knows
31:35how that family
31:35is responding
31:36to this particular situation
31:37and you know
31:39based on
31:40we can say no
31:40based on the evidence
31:41you've seen that
31:43the evidence suggests
31:44that you know
31:44the law enforcement officers
31:45you know
31:46are involved
31:47or should say
31:47is involved
31:48at this stage
31:49based on the findings
31:50so I feel your pain
31:51and I think you have
31:52spoken succinctly
31:53with reference
31:54to the decision makers
31:55in terms of
31:55what should be
31:56a futuristic action
31:58in terms of looking
31:58at an audit
31:59forensic audit
31:59that you have spoken about
32:01I will support that
32:02I will endorse it
32:03because things like this
32:03should naturally trigger
32:05accountability and transparency
32:06so I want to share that
32:07with you
32:07and you know
32:08just going back
32:09to your endorsement
32:11I want to say to you all
32:12that many of you all
32:13have heard on this platform
32:14I've been here for some time
32:15and I've heard
32:17to the length and breadth
32:18of Trinidad and Tobago
32:18on the callers
32:19you all have called
32:20for coming closer
32:21moving that distance
32:22with our nation youth
32:24and who is better
32:25to engage our nation youth
32:26we need to fill that space
32:27the criminal gangs
32:29and gang related
32:29and gang members
32:30they are filling that gap
32:31that we have left
32:32and if we do not fill that gap
32:34with the professionals
32:35that you have
32:36you would have seen
32:37or observed
32:37a short while ago
32:38and others
32:39then we are leaving space
32:41for our
32:41our nation youth
32:42to be influenced
32:43let they be influenced
32:44by us into positivity
32:46when you say a society
32:48raises a child
32:48let the society
32:49be the good society
32:51raising the child
32:51and not the criminal gangs
32:53and gang related activities
32:53and finally
32:54I know you made mention
32:56you referred to my
32:57my strong caution
32:59or my strong direction
33:00in terms of
33:00speaking about the matter
33:01you can't speak about the matter
33:03so I'm not
33:03not depriving you
33:04of a freedom of expression
33:05or freedom of the press
33:07all I'm saying is that
33:08if you are commenting
33:08ensure that you are responsible
33:10so that you do not
33:11frustrate the ends of justice
33:13or you do not lead
33:14to a prejudice
33:15of the ongoing inquiry
33:16so it's just about
33:17being responsible
33:18but you know
33:18I'm not taking away
33:19your freedom of expression
33:20but thank you very much
33:21Kola
33:21for your passion
33:23your pain
33:23and your submissions
33:24alright we take that short break
33:26we'll be back
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36:08welcome back to be on the tape
36:10of course we have
36:11Mr. Ali here with us
36:12and we have an update
36:13because we continue
36:14to let the public know
36:16how hard the TTPs
36:17is working out
36:17they continue to work hard
36:19and in this update
36:20investigation into
36:21the attempt to disposal
36:22of bodies
36:23at the Komoto Cemetery
36:24that was trending
36:25over the weekend
36:25and prisons
36:26were seeking answers
36:27now the TTPs
36:28is letting the public
36:29know that where they
36:30provide information
36:31following the update
36:32regarding the ongoing
36:33investigation into
36:34the attempt to disposal
36:35of these bodies
36:36at the Komoto Cemetery
36:37at this time
36:38one individual remains
36:39in police custody
36:40assisting investigators
36:42no charges have been laid
36:43as inquiries are ongoing
36:45on April 22nd
36:47in 2026 investigators
36:48executed several search
36:50warrants
36:50at multiple locations
36:52as part of the
36:53continuing investigation
36:54a number of persons
36:56of interest
36:57have since been identified
36:58and arrangements
36:59are being made
37:00to conduct further
37:01interviews
37:02these include
37:03individuals
37:03who may be able
37:04to assist investigators
37:06including representatives
37:07of the Sangha Grandi
37:08Regional Corporation
37:10the TTPs
37:11assures the public
37:12that this matter
37:13is being treated
37:14with the utmost seriousness
37:16and sensitivity
37:17investigations remain active
37:19and every effort
37:20is being made
37:21to establish
37:21your full circumstances
37:23surrounding this incident
37:24further updates
37:25will be provided
37:26as more information
37:27becomes available
37:28so the TTPs
37:30is making sure
37:30that we update it
37:31step by step
37:32as best as it can
37:32legally
37:33Ms. Ali
37:34yeah most certainly
37:34and you know
37:36this story too
37:37would have hit
37:38Trinidad and Tobago
37:39and I'm happy to see
37:40that the police service
37:41is making some
37:42deliberate steps
37:43you know to be able
37:44to you know
37:45clean up this
37:46this heinous act
37:47as well
37:47and you know
37:48perhaps coming out
37:48of it to see
37:49whether in fact
37:49there's a need
37:50for immediate law
37:51reform
37:52to be able to
37:53treat with some
37:53of these matters
37:54but again
37:54very sensitive matters
37:55and you know
37:56I salute the police service
37:56for the progress
37:57with reference
37:58to dealing with these issues
37:59we are back to the phone
38:00nights
38:00we have a call
38:00on the line
38:01caller good evening
38:03good evening sir
38:05let's make a contribution
38:07I'd like to remind
38:08what started Ali
38:09let's remind
38:10May of 1990
38:11who
38:14yes go ahead
38:18yeah I think
38:19that they need
38:20to do some
38:21extreme investigation
38:22and get some
38:23fast information
38:24for the public
38:26all right
38:26thank you
38:27Mr. Ali
38:28well
38:28I know
38:29you did give information
38:30today
38:31I know his communication
38:32may have been broken up
38:33but I think that this
38:33I think he made reference
38:34to this
38:35you know
38:37you know
38:37he made mention
38:38of the 1990 coup
38:39in terms of what he's
38:40seeing down there
38:41with the firearms
38:42that was you know
38:42stolen
38:44you know
38:45everyone will have
38:45their perspective
38:46you know
38:46I respect his
38:47opinion
38:49and I want to also
38:50take his position
38:51to advance it
38:52to the various
38:53national intelligence
38:54agencies
38:55to ensure that
38:56if persons
38:56in this wider
38:58public
38:59is having
38:59this feeling
39:01or this position
39:01that is important
39:02for us to stay
39:03on top of the
39:04intelligence
39:04to ensure
39:05that is not
39:06something that
39:07resembles
39:08something in 1990
39:09we do not want
39:10an occurrence of that
39:11and I'm happy to see
39:12that we are already
39:13making breakthrough
39:13in terms of
39:14the retrieval
39:15of some of the firearms
39:16and I hope that
39:17that retrieval
39:17continues
39:18and this is where
39:18the citizenry
39:19also you know
39:20has a part to play
39:21with our friends
39:22to bringing forward
39:22intelligence and information
39:23to ensure that
39:24every single firearm
39:25that was taken
39:27it is retrieved
39:30to ensure that
39:30the public safety
39:31and security
39:32is promoted
39:32but you know
39:33Cole I respect
39:34your position as well
39:35and we cannot dismiss it
39:37because
39:38we can only call
39:39on the intelligence
39:39agencies to be
39:40switched on
39:41when we are seen
39:43act like this
39:45you know
39:45there is something
39:46that I've learned
39:46early in my
39:47law enforcement career
39:48and I want to share
39:48it to Trinidad
39:49and Tobago
39:49you can apply
39:50to anything
39:50that you're dealing
39:51with
39:51there is the ABC rule
39:54assume nothing
39:55believe nothing
39:57and challenge everything
39:58and I think
39:58that is where
39:58the caller is going
39:59asking us to
40:00challenge the situation
40:01to ensure
40:02that is not something
40:03that you know
40:04that we may have seen
40:05from a historic context
40:06now to add context
40:08to that to the caller
40:08quickly because
40:09you speak of
40:10intelligence and updates
40:11I know we have a call
40:12on the line
40:12one second
40:13I just want to make
40:14this very clear
40:14so the persons
40:15who missed it
40:16will understand
40:17so if you missed it
40:19the police have
40:19detained 10 people
40:20ages 16 to 63
40:21in their ongoing
40:23investigation into
40:24the murder of
40:24municipal police
40:25police corporal
40:26Anushka Eversley
40:27and the theft
40:28of firearms
40:29and ammunition
40:30and today
40:30which was this morning
40:31a 28 year old
40:33municipal police officer
40:34is expected to be
40:35charged today
40:36for the murder
40:37of Eversley
40:38so that is the update
40:39so in case you missed it
40:40we just add in some
40:41context to show
40:42that the TTPS
40:44is updating the public
40:45as they go along
40:46we have the caller
40:46good evening
40:47sorry about that
40:49good evening
40:50good evening
40:51good evening to you sir
40:52as you identify this
40:55incidentally
40:56and copper
40:57I want to make
40:59a suggestion
40:59to the director
41:02of policy
41:03because I think
41:04policy is key
41:05I wanted to do that
41:08to use this particular
41:09incident as a case study
41:11there is still that
41:13suggest that there is
41:15a connection with
41:16people and their
41:17personalities
41:19and substance abuse
41:21and alcoholism
41:22that is the research
41:24and all community
41:26assistance agencies
41:28need to have a policy
41:29in terms of testing
41:31officials
41:32for substance abuse
41:34and alcoholism
41:36because once you have
41:37to know that
41:38personality is other
41:39it can be a sociopathic
41:41or psychopathic
41:43you have a tendency
41:44to be also
41:46sleeping drunk
41:47and once that drives
41:49there are what I call
41:51your social
41:54irrational behavior
41:55right
41:56and I think
41:58this can be a
41:58you have to develop
41:59some policy
42:00because it has
42:02some connection
42:03you have to be
42:05crime
42:05substance abuse
42:06and personality disorder
42:07to require that
42:08we do a lot more
42:09testing
42:10right
42:10for personality
42:12disorders
42:13in our criminal
42:14justice system
42:15officials
42:16right
42:16I don't know if
42:17this might be
42:19out of the
42:19list of
42:20the director
42:22here
42:22but I think
42:23that policy
42:23must be done
42:24in terms of
42:25accepting
42:26and then testing
42:27for drugs
42:29and also
42:29have a psychologist
42:30with some
42:31testing
42:31build up
42:32hope
42:32by
42:33instead of
42:34physical
42:34abuse
42:35disorder
42:36it's future
42:37in modern
42:37new direction
42:38and
42:39criminal justice
42:39system
42:40I listen to you
42:42thank you so
42:43much
42:43caller
42:43thank you very
42:44much caller
42:45caller you
42:46excite me
42:46you excite me
42:47with your
42:48your thinking
42:49and let me
42:50give you the
42:51assurance that
42:51even perhaps
42:52if
42:53where I sit
42:54as director
42:55that that
42:55wasn't my
42:56domain
42:56I'm known
42:57for a person
42:58who is not
42:59afraid to
43:00engage in
43:00necessary
43:01ministry
43:01whether it be
43:02the ministry
43:02of health
43:03whether it be
43:04from an
43:04environmental
43:04context
43:05whether it be
43:05from a
43:05psychological
43:06context
43:06I'm not
43:07afraid to
43:07engage these
43:08entities
43:08to have
43:09discussions
43:10to be able
43:10to promote
43:10that position
43:11that you're
43:11speaking about
43:12and you are
43:12right
43:14this psychosocial
43:14engagement
43:15that we are
43:15speaking about
43:16we are also
43:17anticipating
43:17that you
43:18are going to
43:19find children
43:19who may be
43:20already exposed
43:21to a dangerous
43:21drug
43:22or may already
43:23have been
43:23abusing alcohol
43:24so that you
43:25already have
43:25that impact
43:27in terms of
43:28their social
43:29context
43:30their psychological
43:31context
43:31and in some
43:32cases
43:32from a health
43:33context
43:33so I think
43:34that you're
43:34on point
43:35and you know
43:35this is the
43:35level of thinking
43:36that we need
43:37in Trinidad
43:37and Tobago
43:38when we are
43:38looking at
43:38crime and
43:39criminality
43:39asking
43:40ourselves
43:40what makes
43:41someone form
43:42a mens re
43:43and mens re
43:44meaning
43:44the intention
43:45to commit
43:45a crime
43:46is it a
43:46clear thought
43:47process
43:48or is it
43:48disturbed
43:49with things
43:49that are
43:49happening
43:50and we can
43:51look at it
43:51both from
43:51a substance
43:52abuse context
43:54or being exposed
43:55to a dangerous
43:55drug
43:56and we can
43:56also look at
43:57circumstances
43:58where there
43:58may be what
43:58there may be
43:59domestic violence
44:00there may be
44:00matrimonial
44:01proceedings
44:02there may be
44:03other
44:04physical matters
44:05that are occurring
44:06economic issues
44:07poverty issues
44:08many different things
44:09that can be
44:09causing it
44:09the important
44:10thing is
44:11for us to
44:11identify it
44:12and ensure that
44:13there's a proper
44:13response
44:14but caller
44:14you excite me
44:15I will ask you
44:16to call
44:17and leave your
44:18number with
44:19Jackie
44:19because this is
44:20the kind of
44:21discussion that I
44:21want to have
44:22with members of
44:22the citizenry
44:23because you all
44:24are ripe
44:25you all have
44:26the resolution
44:27in your hands
44:28we may be
44:29sitting in
44:29position
44:30and we can
44:30make the
44:30decision
44:31we can get
44:31it into the
44:31cabinet
44:32get it into
44:32the parliament
44:33but you are
44:34also part of
44:34the lawmaking
44:35process
44:35and I've said
44:36this many
44:36times Whitney
44:36that if
44:37there's an
44:39injustice
44:40or there's an
44:40ill in society
44:42we have three
44:42options
44:43and I like to
44:43repeat it
44:44so that it
44:45becomes part of
44:45us
44:46if we can
44:47fix it with
44:47our hands
44:48Whitney
44:49fix it with
44:49your hands
44:50for example
44:51this phone
44:52shouldn't be
44:52here
44:52and we can
44:53fix it
44:54so let's put
44:54the phone
44:54where it's
44:55supposed to
44:55be
44:56if the phone
44:57is here
44:57and we
44:57cannot fix
44:58it because
44:58you feel
44:58okay
44:58that property
44:59doesn't belong
45:00to you
45:00you says
45:01are here
45:01can you
45:02just put
45:02this phone
45:02where the
45:03phone
45:03belong
45:03so you
45:04can speak
45:04out on it
45:05and if
45:05you cannot
45:06fix it
45:07with your
45:07hand
45:07you cannot
45:08speak up
45:08on it
45:09then hate
45:09it with
45:10your hand
45:10where you
45:10don't even
45:11be present
45:12in a situation
45:13where this
45:14phone is
45:14exposed
45:14so you
45:15have three
45:16options
45:16so the
45:17citizenry
45:17you are
45:18an active
45:19part of
45:19the lawmaking
45:19process
45:20you are
45:21part of
45:21the
45:24some of
45:26the things
45:26that we
45:27have seen
45:28unfolding
45:28at a
45:28high
45:29governmental
45:29level
45:30is things
45:30that you
45:31would have
45:31called for
45:31a couple
45:32of months
45:32ago
45:33and you
45:33have seen
45:34it coming
45:34to fruition
45:35so continue
45:36to knock
45:37on the door
45:37for the
45:38prosperity
45:38of the
45:39people of
45:39Trinidad and
45:40Tobago
45:40ladies and
45:41gentlemen
45:41we take
45:42that break
45:42we'll be
45:42back
45:55your future
45:57your future
45:58is safe
45:59with us
46:00no matter
46:01your age
46:02or where
46:03you're from
46:04our doors
46:05are open
46:07to each
46:08and everyone
46:09your financial
46:10needs
46:11are sure
46:12to be met
46:13at police
46:15credit union
46:16there's
46:17zero regret
46:18a variety
46:21of services
46:24that's accessible
46:25and reliable
46:27here to show
46:29you just
46:30what services
46:31helping where
46:33we can
46:34but with a
46:35smile
46:36so grow
46:37with us
46:38today
46:39we can do
46:40this together
46:41we can
46:42secure the
46:43future
46:43we can
46:44secure the
46:45future
46:46police credit
46:47union
46:48your future
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48:08All right. Welcome, Mark. It's Legally Speaking Wednesdays. We head back to the phone lines. We have a caller on
48:12the line as we speak. Caller, good evening.
48:15Good evening, Whitney. Happy birthday.
48:19Listen to you, Mr. Pat.
48:21Good evening to you. Happy birthday, Mr. Pat.
48:22Oh, I didn't hear that part. Thank you so much, sir. Greatly appreciated.
48:26Tonight you should wear black.
48:28Okay, Ms. Ali.
48:29Yes.
48:30You know, I'm getting fed up now with stupid people in this country doing real ridiculous things, buying people on
48:37the back row,
48:37where the person big money, and you have a station right here because you go and do all the transactions.
48:42You meet people in the back, in the back, all midnight, and paying money to five vehicles.
48:47And you ain't over here going. You don't know who is there for you.
48:49I feel sorry for this class.
48:53Now, Ms. Ali, the other thing is these Kamas.
48:56Now, we know a lot of Kamas.
48:59They're going to try to recover funds.
49:01And they are not doing you any good.
49:05They are culprits.
49:07They are scammers.
49:08They are tiny scammers.
49:11And they're a serious possible amount of money.
49:13And this thing just continues.
49:14And it's going to be not matter on people.
49:16And every day, more and more people, these scammers are Bitcoin-ing, ripping out people.
49:20And one more point I want to make tonight is that I want to applaud the Christophers for going beyond
49:29the call to you.
49:30For getting the dollars already to get people to comment for information.
49:36Because we know if you don't pay, people will come forward with information.
49:40I was wondering why I happen to know that they paid $100,000, they put another $100,000 to get
49:49the killers of the WPC.
49:52But we have at the same time we have a 7-year-old child got killed.
49:56And they did nothing for that child.
49:59Like, for information, I think that is unfair because looking at this, there's a one way should we go, you
50:05know.
50:05And I would like to see more money being paid to get information by the TTVS.
50:13Thanks a lot, sir.
50:14You're doing well, fine, Joe.
50:15Thank you so much, caller.
50:17Mr. Ali, I mean, he spoke about a lot of things.
50:19Thank you very much, caller.
50:20Caller, there are not many times that I am reserved with a position from the citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago.
50:31And, you know, I normally have a response or an alternative.
50:35You see that last issue that you raised in terms of the reward?
50:37I think it's a very sensitive matter.
50:39And, you know, I will not comment further, but I will endeavor to have some discussions with other high officers
50:46in relation to the consideration by virtue of the issues that you raised.
50:52I think it's a very live issue, and I'll advance it at a different level.
50:55But, you know, in relation to the issue of the fraudulent activities, you know, and I want to press the
51:01TTVS a little bit this afternoon.
51:03You know, I know that a lot has been done with me, but you see where the white-collar aspect
51:08is concerned?
51:09I want to, you know, press the commissioner and the executive of the police service to probably pay a deeper
51:15focus with reference to, I should say, equal focus to the white-collar aspect of things.
51:20And I think that one of the reasons why you may see in this reoccurring fraudulent behavior with this common
51:26is perhaps a person may believe that, okay, there's no consequence or no timely consequence to flow from these activities
51:33so they feel strong.
51:34So I want to press the TTVS this afternoon, humbly and respectfully, to equally direct focus to raising the intensity
51:42of white-collar investigations in Trinidad and Tobago.
51:45I know that that is an area that has also been a sore point.
51:48And I may even go as far to even call any legislators to look at the development of our white
51:54-collar law regime, you know, to be able to deal with these persons who are benefiting from crime.
51:59And swiftly.
51:59I agree.
52:00So thank you very much for raising that issue.
52:01And I just decided to, you know, offer, you know, a perspective with reference to a response to dealing with
52:07persons who are involved in this calming business.
52:09Yes.
52:10We have another call.
52:12Caller, good evening.
52:13Good afternoon.
52:15Hi, good evening, ma'am.
52:16Good afternoon, ma'am.
52:18Yeah, I am.
52:19I'd like to make a comment on TTVS.
52:26Yes, go ahead.
52:27You're live, ma'am.
52:27Yeah, okay.
52:30Someone called in and said about bringing back the hangman.
52:34I find that is too much an easy death for that police fellow.
52:38They should bring back the cat and eye tail.
52:42Bring back the cat and eye tail.
52:45Give him 75 years and 75 lashes with the cat and eye tail.
52:50See if he'll make that police went through a torturous death.
52:55So he should get a torturous death.
52:57Yes, thank you.
52:58Yeah.
52:59Along with the people who killed the nine-year-old girl too.
53:01Well, you know, it's called off.
53:02Yeah, you know, you again, you have, you know, participated in a degree of punishment on a conviction that should
53:09be handed out to the accused in this matter.
53:11And, you know, while it's subjudice and we don't want to prejudice in this matter, you know, the fact that
53:16she has spoken like that with me, it means that you are feeling that the true essence where crime, and
53:23I said this on this platform, crime or that particular crime was not against that individual who lost her life.
53:29Yes.
53:30Yes.
53:30And this caller have just explained or just exemplified that a crime is considered against every citizen in Trinidad and
53:38Tobago.
53:39Of course.
54:08Yes.
54:09You just never know.
54:10Yes.
54:10We have another caller.
54:11Caller.
54:11Good evening.
54:12Hello.
54:13Good evening.
54:13Hi.
54:13Happy birthday.
54:14Thank you, ma'am.
54:15God's richest blessings to you.
54:17Yes.
54:19Officer Ali.
54:20Yes, ma'am.
54:20I want to say that, you know, we have criminals in uniform.
54:26Well, let me look at what took place and it's really, really, really so sad.
54:30Because sometimes what happens when somebody, you have gone outside, sometimes they tell you that it came from some police
54:39station or whatever and they don't really go into it.
54:42They don't really look at it.
54:43But I love what happened in such a short time with this commissioner of police.
54:48And then he, I agree, he didn't get all the guns out yet, but I know that he will get
54:52it.
54:53And somebody is affected because we have people, criminals, ordinary criminals, criminals in uniform, criminals in sports, in the form
55:01of all sorts of things.
55:02We really have to do something fast.
55:04And I'm thankful for what has happened in the sense that they move fast and they get some guns, they
55:10get some ammunition, whatever.
55:12But I warn them, we haven't got new judges and I hope that will help, that it will take a
55:18shorter time to do what it is and get rid of these people very fast.
55:23All the best, all of you.
55:24Be safe, all of you.
55:25Thank you very much.
55:26Thank you so much, Ms. Ali.
55:27Thank you very much, caller.
55:29And again, another caller, Whitney, you know, seeing the disgust with our friends, so when law enforcement, you know, step
55:35out and run afoul of the law.
55:36You know, someone who should be ensuring that they hold the rule of law strictly.
55:41You know, perhaps this is popular area as well.
55:44When you're talking about, you know, public officials and by extension any profession, if you leave someone sometime in an
55:50area for too long, sometimes and there's no rotation, that's when you leave things to manifest itself.
55:55Correct.
55:56And, you know, you want to exercise some proper judgment there.
55:58And then secondly, you know, we have heard about the professional standards bureau looking at the TTPS.
56:03But sometime I go ahead and mention, I want to make a solid call for the decision makers who are
56:07listening.
56:08Perhaps the time has come for a unit that has a wider mandate to not only look at TTPS and
56:15the professional standards of police officers, but professional standards of all public officers who have placed their hand up.
56:21Whether you're in a ministry of education, a ministry of health, whether you're in a municipal context, but you're doing
56:27a public function for the benefit of the people of Shreden and Tobago, and that should be a sacred function.
56:31So perhaps there should be a unit that is set up, properly outfitted, to be able to exercise due diligence
56:38on what's happening, especially from a public sector context.
56:41Do we have a final caller on the line?
56:43Caller, good evening.
56:51Caller, good evening.
57:30Caller, good evening.
57:46I really would like to know, because when I see the administrative big action, it runs
57:54my mind back to 1996, so could you give me some clarity on that, please, I will listen
58:01off this.
58:02Thank you, Kola.
58:03Well, Kola, I would love to give you some clarity on that, but perhaps in your discourse,
58:08you have also given me an opportunity to take a reserve position as well.
58:12An officer has been sent on administrative leave, and that question that you asked in
58:16terms of who the FUL have been issued to, there's a practice in relation to sometimes
58:22it may be issued to the permanent secretary in a particular ministry, sometimes it may
58:26be issued directly to the assistant commissioner who is in charge of that particular municipal
58:32police service.
58:33But at this time, I cannot confirm in terms of what is the arrangement.
58:38So I have to reserve further comments, but I understand where you are going.
58:41But let's see how the investigation unfolds, and let's allow the chips to fall where they
58:47have, or as the case may be.
58:49Yes.
58:50Mr. Ali, we'd like to thank you so much for being here with us.
58:52Well, thank you to share this moment with you.
58:53I'm sending greetings from a family member of yours that I was able to interact with.
58:57Yes.
58:58At the Karenis from the Great Sanctuary.
59:00Yes.
59:00Nanon Stores, they were excellent.
59:02And to Mr. Ali, who was there, much love to you.
59:06We get ready for our news coming up next at 7 TNT.
59:08Continue making yourself a hard target.
59:11ASP Russell will be back with us tomorrow.
59:12God bless.
59:13We're out.
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