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02:52Good evening, Trinidad and Tobago.
02:53And those of you who are locked on internationally as well, this is Beyond the Tape.
02:57I'm your host, Whitney Husbands.
02:59And it is the middle of the week.
03:00So that means it's one thing.
03:02It's Legally Speaking Wednesday.
03:03This is the opportunity where our viewers, our citizens, you'll have the opportunity to ask as many questions as you
03:09like
03:09when it comes to the law and understanding the laws of the land of Trinidad and Tobago.
03:14Along with that, we have a symposium that will be coming up where we will give you more information on
03:19that
03:19when it comes to crime and violence taking place in Trinidad and Tobago and the vulnerable youth as well.
03:25And spearheading that, we have so much to speak about.
03:29And when it's Wednesday, we have one of the best attorneys in Trinidad and Tobago to guide us accordingly.
03:34We have our attorney at law, Mr. Ali, here with us.
03:37Good evening to you, sir.
03:38And just to inform the public, for those of you who are not tuning in,
03:41he's also the Director of Policy and Community Support at the Ministry of Homeland Security.
03:46Mr. Ali, good evening to you.
03:48Well, good evening to you, Whitney.
03:49And, you know, Whitney, with those introductory remarks,
03:51I hope that the Honourable Attorney General is paying particular attention.
03:55So perhaps that silk, you know, can be serious consideration,
03:58can be given to that in the way that you have introduced me here this afternoon.
04:01But you have, again, like always, you have humbled me with your kind comments.
04:07And, you know, I take it, you know, close, you know, to my heart.
04:11And, you know, thanks for the inspiration as well.
04:12But it's a pleasure to join you as always.
04:14And, you know, thanks for hinting to the national community a brief discussion
04:21on a very important event that is scheduled for tomorrow.
04:25But good afternoon to Jackie and our team, you know, behind the scenes as well,
04:29less than on others, my law enforcement colleagues across Trinidad and Tobago.
04:34And may I say as well even our international partners, you know,
04:38who are rendering support, whether directly or indirectly, to Trinidad and Tobago.
04:43And most importantly, the citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago this afternoon.
04:47Whitney, let me begin by indicating that this country, Trinidad and Tobago,
04:53for some time, we have looked at our nation's youth.
04:58And, you know, I'm saying youth, not specifically saying children,
05:05but our nation's youth because that can be varying ages.
05:08Correct.
05:08And in most recent times, we saw our vulnerable youths making the headlines
05:17and making the headlines in very troubling and concerning contexts.
05:22And I'm very humble this afternoon, speaking on behalf of the Ministry of Homeland Security
05:28as Director of Policy and Community Support.
05:30But at this time, that we have signaled, we have made a very strong statement evidenced
05:39by a national symposium to be held tomorrow at the Center of Health Economics
05:46at the St. Augustine University of the West in St. Augustine.
05:50And it is expected to have very high-profile public officials who are in very important positions
06:00in Trinidad and Tobago across various ministries, state agencies,
06:03that are all directly involved with reference to our nation's youth in one way or the other.
06:10And it's a very long list, perhaps as we go along,
06:13but I'll identify some of the other stakeholders.
06:15But I feel refreshed, I feel inspired, and I want to thank the entire steering committee.
06:22It was a collaboration between the Ministry of Homeland Security,
06:26Director of Policy and Community Support Office,
06:29the University of the West Indies Behavioral Science Department,
06:31that's Criminology, Psychology, and Sociology, that's correct,
06:35and also the Trinidad and Tobago Association of Psychologists,
06:38very, very critical organization.
06:39Three very important institutions coming together to join with the wider stakeholder in Trinidad and Tobago.
06:47From the feedback that I'm getting,
06:49it's already resounding excitement that has been expressed for that particular forum
06:56because you're going to have some of the best discussions.
07:00You know, it's not a situation where you are speaking judicial or you're speaking strictly legal.
07:04You're going to get, even from the National Parent Teachers Association, the tutor, the civil society, NGOs.
07:11So it's a well-balanced, well-selected group of individuals,
07:15and I myself am very excited to see how that goes.
07:18And I must say as well that the Honorable Minister of Homeland Security, Mr. Roger Alexander,
07:22is also expected to appear on behalf of the government of Trinidad and Tobago
07:26to be able to give remarks at this very important juncture.
07:29And, you know, last but not least, we are in a state of emergency.
07:34And this state of emergency was declared on the basis of where there's credible intelligence
07:39that the safety and security of the nation is threatened.
07:42Now, if you're looking at the safety and security of the nation,
07:46no group is spared when we are speaking about that.
07:49So it is, in my respect, it is very relevant.
07:51And just for the title, it's a multi-sectoral integrated approach
07:56geared towards early identification, prevention, and treatment
08:01of persons who may be exhibiting behavioral and emotional issues
08:07that require that intervention,
08:09all geared towards crime prevention
08:16and where there's a situation
08:17where we have to treat
08:18that the state resources are well-coordinated
08:21to be able to deal with that.
08:22So I want to thank you.
08:23I heard that you make mention of it yesterday evening,
08:25and I was very grateful for that.
08:27And I hope that you will find some time as well
08:29because I think that you sit,
08:32or actually in this case stand,
08:33in a very important position
08:34where I am certain, if not from the callers,
08:37by your other engagements,
08:39that you are seeing that the youth continues to be a focus.
08:42If we save them, we save Trinidad and Tobago.
08:45Most definitely.
08:46And of course, it's a strong ecosystem
08:48that we are seeing taking place tomorrow.
08:50So I'm sure that it will be broadcasted as well,
08:53but we will keep the viewers in the know.
08:55Sure.
08:55And you have the opportunity also to engage
08:58with our attorney, Mr. Ali, here this evening.
09:00So we have...
09:01I just want to say one more thing with me.
09:02No problem.
09:03Because I know this question may come.
09:05After this symposium,
09:06this is triggering the discussion,
09:07getting an understanding, shaping,
09:09but we are going to be coming
09:11with wider consultation or consultation
09:13with specific groups subsequently
09:14to further inform where we are going.
09:17And I must say,
09:18a short while ago,
09:19on the operational group,
09:21I sent a inspirational message,
09:23and the inspirational message was action.
09:26And I want to repeat that.
09:28Action.
09:29This is not one of the symposiums
09:30that I'm viewing as...
09:32Just speak and...
09:32That's correct.
09:33We ask questions and then we leave and address it.
09:35That's correct.
09:36You may find coming out of this,
09:37while there may be need for further discussion
09:38in particular areas,
09:39because we know it is a multifaceted approach
09:42that is required,
09:43you may find that there is quick action
09:45to the Cabinet of Trinidad and Tobago,
09:46through the Honorable Minister,
09:47to have immediate intervention,
09:50medium-term intervention,
09:51and if need be,
09:52long-term intervention.
09:55This is the time.
09:56This is the time.
09:57All right.
09:58So, we have a lot to unfold this evening,
10:00Mr. Ali,
10:01and of course,
10:01I know persons will have questions
10:03when it comes to the rights of the citizens,
10:06as we move forward,
10:06as usual,
10:07on a Wednesday.
10:07But we want to touch on some issues
10:10that took place as well.
10:11Now, overnight,
10:12an arson attack in the Chaguanas area.
10:15Now, overnight,
10:16a Range Rover was set on fire.
10:19The Real Talk group of companies,
10:22and I'm sure the TTPS,
10:24Mr. Ali,
10:24is engaging further into this.
10:26This is a ridiculous crime.
10:29Apart from now,
10:30someone has lost an item
10:31that's extremely expensive.
10:34They could have burned down other buildings,
10:35persons could have been in the building,
10:37and a life could have been taken.
10:40Well, very important.
10:41I'm happy that you say that.
10:42So, if, in fact,
10:43there's an allegation
10:44of a malicious damage to property,
10:48the fact that you have spoken
10:49about life and limb,
10:51whether it be in the vehicle,
10:53or whether it be closely associated
10:55with an infrastructure
10:55that can easily be
10:58in the periphery
10:59of very dangerous fires.
11:01Correct.
11:01I think that's the importance of this.
11:03So, it's just not looking
11:03at the property per se,
11:04but looking at the consequential impact.
11:07And these are very significant matters,
11:11notwithstanding the value of a vehicle
11:12that we are seeing in the photograph,
11:16or the video,
11:17as the case may be.
11:18But it's important
11:19for a thorough investigation
11:20to be conducted
11:20to really determine
11:21what will cause someone,
11:23or a few,
11:24to be engaging
11:25in that sort of activity.
11:27It'll be very interesting.
11:28But, Trinidad and Tobago,
11:30be very careful.
11:30If I'm looking to the back,
11:31is it a real estate?
11:33Yeah.
11:34It's not a real estate,
11:35but the name of the company
11:36is Realtor Group of Companies.
11:38Right.
11:39So, depending on the time,
11:42and like you indicated,
11:43there'll be persons
11:44in that building.
11:45Persons that have adopted business.
11:46So, persons may have gone
11:46to do their lawful business,
11:48or they're employed
11:49at the establishment,
11:50but some individual
11:52or group believe
11:52that they have a criminal intent
11:54to direct it at the vehicle,
11:56and not paying attention
11:57to persons who may be inside.
11:58Thankfully,
11:59we are not receiving
12:00any reports of anybody
12:01sustaining any injuries,
12:03but I advise TTPS
12:05to not take those matters lightly
12:07because it may not have been
12:09just the vehicle.
12:10They may have the vehicle
12:12as a conduit
12:13or an instrument
12:13for greater damage.
12:15Of course, there's a message
12:16being sent.
12:17Mr. Ali,
12:18a lot of people
12:18are walking around angry
12:19and fed up,
12:21and not justifying,
12:22obviously,
12:23the action of that,
12:23but it just seems like
12:24they are willing to risk
12:26their freedom
12:27for a moment
12:28of emotions
12:29that, you know,
12:30they reach a breaking point.
12:31I love the word
12:33that you use,
12:33freedom.
12:34Yeah.
12:37Forged from the love
12:38of liberty
12:41and linking it
12:42with that word freedom.
12:44For the persons
12:45who may be inclined
12:45to engage in criminal activities,
12:47why are you gambling?
12:49Why are you gambling
12:50that freedom
12:51and that right to liberty?
12:52Why are we gambling that?
12:54So,
12:55I want to use that
12:56to speak
12:58sometimes the persons
12:59with criminal intent,
13:01sometimes they feel
13:02that I don't pay attention
13:03to them.
13:03I'm going to direct
13:04my attention to them
13:05because
13:06if we are doing
13:07a symposium
13:08that are geared
13:08towards vulnerable youths,
13:11I want to say
13:11to the persons
13:12who may be adults
13:13but have criminal intent
13:14or thinking about it,
13:16reconsider what you're doing.
13:18Whitney has just
13:19emphasized
13:20the importance
13:20of your freedom,
13:23your liberty.
13:25Look and see
13:26whether you have
13:26a loved one,
13:27a son,
13:29a daughter,
13:29a mother,
13:30or a father
13:30that need you
13:31to be there with them.
13:33Do not deprive yourself
13:34of your right
13:35or your family
13:35by engaging
13:36in activities
13:38that will bring you
13:39very short rewards
13:41if any at all.
13:42And sometimes
13:43we venture into
13:44an act of criminality
13:45not knowing
13:46that that may be
13:46our last moment
13:47to enjoy life.
13:48So, Whitney,
13:49I thank you
13:50for raising that freedom
13:51onto the criminal elements
13:52or those who may be
13:53inclined to engage
13:54in criminal activities.
13:55You too.
13:56This is a spiritual time.
13:58It's from an
14:00Islamic context
14:01in the month of Ramadan.
14:02It's within the Lent season.
14:04It's a time for reflection.
14:06You also have the opportunity
14:08to look to your maker,
14:09whoever you reach out to
14:11and seek your forgiveness
14:13and change your life.
14:15You may not have tomorrow
14:17to ask for that forgiveness.
14:18Now, speaking of freedom
14:20and how your life
14:21could change
14:21in a few seconds,
14:23the man arrested
14:24following assault
14:25on licensing officer.
14:27A man has been arrested
14:28in connection
14:28with an assault
14:30of a licensing officer
14:31which occurred in Curep
14:32on Monday 9th,
14:33March 2026.
14:35Upon arrival,
14:36the officers interviewed
14:37a licensing officer
14:38who reported that
14:39while in the execution
14:41of his duties,
14:42he was allegedly assaulted
14:43by the driver
14:44of a Green Band
14:45maxi taxi.
14:47The licensing officer
14:48reported that
14:49the assailant
14:49struck him twice
14:50in the face
14:51with his fist,
14:52chased the licensing
14:53authority vehicle
14:54with a wheel spanner
14:56and subsequently
14:57left the scene.
14:58Officers conducted
14:59inquiries on later
15:01that same day
15:02proceeded to the
15:03currently licensing office
15:04where the suspect
15:05was identified
15:06and arrested
15:07for the offense.
15:09So while I would love
15:10to say several things
15:12on this matter,
15:13because I am anticipating,
15:14Whitney,
15:15that it may be
15:16heading in a particular place,
15:17I will have to exercise
15:19some restriction
15:20in terms of how I come in,
15:21but from an academic context,
15:28albeit that it has been
15:31investigated diligently,
15:32you spoke about
15:35tempering.
15:36Now, I do not know
15:37the full details,
15:40whether in fact
15:42one or the other,
15:43but I am saying
15:44for both parties,
15:45and this is where
15:46I am speaking
15:46very balanced here,
15:47for both parties,
15:49let us look at
15:50that incident
15:52and even from
15:54institutional context
15:55as well,
15:56let us look at
15:56that situation
15:57and see whether
15:57those situations
15:58are ripe for reform
15:59and ripe for reform
16:01in terms of
16:01our engagement
16:02with members
16:03of the public,
16:04whether the time
16:05has come
16:05to be further
16:07protected,
16:08whether by
16:09a particular law
16:10or whether
16:11having particular
16:13protection
16:14in relation to firearms,
16:15because we are seen
16:17in the time
16:18that we are living
16:18that you may be
16:19looking at
16:19a traffic violation,
16:21but behind
16:22that traffic violation
16:23may be 15
16:24high-powered rifles
16:26in a traffic stop
16:27or in this case
16:28may just have a
16:29motorist
16:30who is prepared
16:31to inflict.
16:32You see that
16:33span of that
16:33was picked up?
16:34To inflict
16:35and I'm just using
16:36whether grievous
16:37or actual
16:37but bodily harm.
16:38Those are very
16:39significant matters.
16:40So Whitney,
16:41I really hope
16:42that the authorities
16:42do not just
16:44complete an investigation,
16:45but look at
16:46that circumstances
16:47and let us learn
16:48from it.
16:48Yes, right now
16:49it's time for
16:50your SOE update
16:51as of March 11th.
16:54Number of operations,
16:56778.
16:57Number of targets,
16:58priority offenders,
17:00286.
17:01Searches conducted,
17:031,004.
17:04Traffic operations,
17:06425.
17:07Total persons arrested,
17:09297.
17:11Total persons charged,
17:1257.
17:16Firearms recovered.
17:18We are seeing
17:19an increase in pistols,
17:20a total of 16.
17:21Ammunition recovered.
17:23Increase in the 9mm,
17:25also increased
17:26with the rungs
17:27of 5.56
17:28along with the increase
17:30also of the 0.40
17:32giving us a total
17:32of 422.
17:35And dangerous drug
17:36seas,
17:36we are seeing
17:37it continues to rise
17:38with the cannabis
17:39and the cocaine.
17:41Now Whitney,
17:42thanks for reading
17:43that statistics
17:43and I'll just go
17:44by the ammunition
17:45recovered.
17:45I like to,
17:46you know,
17:46always draw an analysis
17:48with the statistics
17:49that you're reading.
17:50You see that last limb
17:52rungs of 7.62mm ammunition?
17:55Yes.
17:56That's a very
17:57significant matter
17:58and I'm seeing
17:59a total of 422.
18:01In total of all,
18:02yeah.
18:02Right.
18:02But that's 7.62.
18:04If 7.62 are
18:06in the population,
18:11for those who may not know,
18:12the caliber,
18:13the damage,
18:15it's,
18:16yeah,
18:16we can speak about that
18:17but in terms of the power
18:20and the distance
18:21that I can travel
18:22and 7.62mm
18:26basically used to be
18:27with any defense force.
18:28What is I'm saying?
18:29That's for war?
18:29That's correct.
18:30So,
18:31and I'm happy
18:31that you are using
18:32that word.
18:33That's for war.
18:33But 7.62mm
18:35to the citizenry
18:35of Trinidad and Tobago,
18:36this is what is out there
18:38and may I say,
18:40some of the rifles
18:41that we have seen
18:43after analysis done
18:44may be proven
18:46to be able to be
18:47carrying 7.62mm
18:48but what if we are not
18:49finding those firearms
18:51that discharges 7.62mm
18:53means that those firearms
18:54are still out there.
18:56So,
18:56it's important for the citizenry
18:57to understand and appreciate
18:58that if there should be
18:59a conflict between gangs
19:01and there's a use of 7.62mm
19:03even 5.56mm
19:04the collateral damage
19:07that can occur
19:08in relation to two gangs
19:09warring in a public context,
19:11you are going your way,
19:13you are traversing
19:15and then there's a conflict.
19:17These assorted ammunition,
19:19the caliber,
19:20can cause very,
19:22very serious damages
19:24and hence why
19:25it's important for us
19:27and meaning us,
19:28every single citizen
19:29including law enforcement
19:30to appreciate
19:31the significance
19:32of getting ammunition,
19:35firearms,
19:36off the street
19:37and with the persons
19:38who are actually
19:40in possession
19:41or who are
19:42constructively in possession
19:43and I want to repeat
19:44that with me.
19:45This is not,
19:45in my view,
19:46should be a
19:47satisfied with a seizure.
19:51the persons
19:52who are responsible,
19:53the human element,
19:54a gun don't get up
19:55and go and shoot somebody.
19:57The gun requires
19:59the human element.
20:00So it's important
20:01for us to pursue them
20:02and not be relaxed
20:03when the statistics
20:05is bright
20:06but equally should be
20:08the persons
20:09who are responsible for it.
20:10Right now let's take a look
20:11at what's making
20:12today's headlines.
20:41We'll see you next time.
20:56And those are your stories
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20:58We'll take a short break
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23:06And we're back. Remember, you can give us a call at 623-1711, extension 1996 and 1997.
23:13We have our attorney at law and, of course, director of policies of the Homeland Security.
23:17And we have a caller online already. Mr. Ali, we have a caller. Let's get to the phone lines.
23:21Caller, good evening.
23:23Hi, good evening, Ms. Husband. And good evening to Corporal Ali. Are you all hearing me clearly?
23:28Yes. Good evening to you, sir.
23:30Okay. Very good evening to you all. Hoping all is well with you all.
23:37Corporal Ali, I must start off with a little humor.
23:42Before I forget, you know, I was thinking to myself earlier during the week that, you know,
23:47similar to the Omega XL commercials with Darren Bravo and Colin Pollard, I think Corporal Ali need an endorsement of
23:57the energy drink
23:58because he's never short on energy and passion for a greater Trinidad and Tobago.
24:04Thank you very much, sir.
24:05And that's a genuine, sincere, honest compliment.
24:09But, sir, I really want to touch on some comments that would have been made from a colleague of yours,
24:18E.F.P. Russell, who is familiar with the program.
24:21He would have made a statement that, you know, a law-abiding citizen, we have nothing to fear.
24:29Once we are following the law, we have nothing to fear.
24:33And that, honestly, sir, I want to say that's like a breath of fresh air that makes people like myself
24:40feel comfortable,
24:42feel safe, and know that we can traverse our country, Trinidad, and Tobago any day, any time, operate, honestly.
24:53And I even heard Minister Amin one morning when I was making my way to work,
24:58I heard Minister Amin comment and say that, you know, the current state of emergency does not impact law-abiding
25:05citizens
25:06in any way they perform in their normal operations.
25:09So just to give an example, if, for example, I used to like to walk around the savannah, exercise around
25:17the savannah,
25:17more so at night time, when it's the atmosphere cooler, when there's less vehicular activity, less CO2 emissions,
25:27I could feel confident and safe once again, taking back up that genuine hobby.
25:35And, honestly, sir, kindly, I just want to say, please, keep up the great work you're doing from my end.
25:40As a long-standing patron of the program, I totally support all initiatives to make Trinidad and Tobago a completely
25:50safe place.
25:51And then now, you all have been doing great work.
25:54So now it's for other ministries to step up to the plate, like Ministry of Education, for example.
26:02Ensure that our students are enjoying being students, are learning, are excited to learn and get an education.
26:12Ministry of Labour, for example, ensure that persons are working, ensure that companies are operating in this standard manner.
26:21I don't want to take up too much more time, but I guess you'll see where I might be going
26:25properly.
26:26So thank you so much for the opportunity to contribute.
26:29I will continue to watch the program, and thank you so much for the great work.
26:33Thank you so much, Kola.
26:35Ms. Sally?
26:35Well, thank you very much, Kola.
26:36And, you know, very fresh and warm comments, and I'm sure Whitney will share that perspective with me as well,
26:42in relation to, you know, you feeling safe to be able to move around Trinidad and Tobago.
26:45And, yes, the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago, who are law-abiding, their constitutional rights belongs to them.
26:51Correct.
26:52And it's only when you are venturing into crime and criminality, you yourself will be self-inflicting a restriction of
26:57your constitutional rights
26:58if law enforcement detects that you are engaging in criminal activities.
27:02The last position that you took a reference to lending some light in relation to the multisectoral approach,
27:08I'm happy that you placed that there.
27:10Whitney, could you imagine, and I'm just using this as a reference,
27:14because you, Jackie, and myself, we are in our home.
27:20And you know what we're saying?
27:22I feel like, you know, going to Maracas today.
27:25Yeah.
27:26I feel like going to Maracas today.
27:28You saying the same thing.
27:31Jackie saying the same thing.
27:32But, you know, nobody's getting into the driving seat.
27:35So we're talking, we're speaking, we're discussing, we're, you know, having a vision of what the Maracas may be.
27:45That's correct.
27:46We're looking at what we're aware to go.
27:48But nobody's stepping into the driver's seat.
27:50And I'm happy that you said that.
27:52So we recognize that we cannot be just speaking about issues, talking about issues.
27:58And, you know, there must be a start.
28:00And hence why I salute the Honorable Minister of Homeland Security.
28:02I salute the Ministry of Education, the Ministry of Health, and the state agencies that have responded to the call.
28:11So what we have here is not a driver.
28:13We have several competent, capable drivers.
28:17And what it is demonstrating is, you know, multi-sector, I'll suggest, Whitney?
28:22All these sectors coming together.
28:24Well, I want to put it as simple as possible.
28:27Our society is coming to you.
28:31All right.
28:31We have another caller on the line.
28:33Caller, good evening.
28:36Good evening, caller.
28:38Hello, good evening.
28:39Good evening to you, ma'am.
28:40Yeah.
28:41How are you all?
28:42I'm all right.
28:42And I'm sure, Ms. Ali, you're great, right?
28:45Well, caller, I'll say, one of your fellow citizens have just indicated that the energy and the drive that he's
28:53seeing, sorry, he feels, you know, he feels motivated and inspired.
28:58So when you ask how we are going, that caller has answered that question for you.
29:06Okay, thank you very much.
29:08Officer, your officers continue to assist.
29:13Because recently, a group of pastors from South, they had a seminar, you know, a seminar on the 7th of
29:20March.
29:21They dealt with domestic violence, victims advocacy.
29:26And it was divided by two WPCs and a male sergeant.
29:29It was really, really very great.
29:31You know, and the thing about it, it was, you had a lot of questions asked, and sometimes it was
29:37a scenario before you and asked, how would you deal with this?
29:41So they assisted you in how to report and what to report and what to look for.
29:45And it was really, really very, very, very great, you know.
29:48An excellent seminar, you know, by the, they spoke about the community police, and they spoke about the special victims
29:54department, the children's authority, and everything.
29:56And it's really, really, it was really, really worth it.
30:01A lot of people, you know, came to it, and we really got a lot to give you numbers to
30:07call in case of anything, and that was really great.
30:09That's my first point.
30:10My second point is, with the SOP that is here, I hope that at the end of this, they wouldn't
30:18have to pay no set of money to anybody, to certain people.
30:20Because I realize these days, every time you look at the papers, somebody got so much money, they didn't do
30:26this, and they didn't do that, and they didn't do the other.
30:28So, after this, SOE, they put things in place so that people wouldn't walk away free, and they wouldn't have
30:36to get a slap on the wrist and all sort of things,
30:38and they would strengthen the law enforcement, evidence gathering, and things like that, so that we will not be wasting
30:45precious time with it.
30:46Because, and they said, don't talk about the gun story, that's another story by itself.
30:50They need to do something about that, especially, because if they get you with guns, and you get bailed, go
30:55on outside, you do the same thing.
30:57You get more guns, because you know where to get it from, and you do the same thing.
31:01So, something has to be done about that.
31:03And my last point is, the two persons who went on the boat, I hope that they get them, and
31:10it's really, really, really sad, you know, these sailors that went out.
31:14So, all the best, be safe, all of you.
31:18I heard, you know, I'm living in a place where they said, some bandit went into the store, not so
31:24far from me,
31:25and I'm always in that store buying something, so I want to know, something has to be done.
31:29Thank you very, very much, and be safe, all of you.
31:32All right, thank you so much.
31:34Mr. Alibi will respond to the caller after the break.
31:36We'll be back.
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34:20So, call-up, thank you very much for your three submissions.
34:22I'll try and address two of them.
34:24And, you know, you have placed one for me, again, to build a bridge for the symposium.
34:28Correct.
34:29We have heard a lot about the declaration of the state of emergency as a response.
34:34And many stakeholders have asked, well, what's the other strategies?
34:38Let me say to Trinidad and Tobago, what I've identified this afternoon with reference to this symposium,
34:45it's a crime strategy.
34:48It's a crime strategy because it's geared towards looking at preventing and dealing with a very important group in society.
34:57And may I say, if you follow that group, that vulnerable group, you're going to reach another vulnerable group.
35:04And if you follow that group, you're going to recognize what that group requires.
35:07So, this is a chain action, and this clearly identifies that there are complementary efforts.
35:14So, while you're looking at the hard policing, the powers that have been given for crime and criminality,
35:21this can be complemented with what they call a secondary approach, but a very important approach to be able to
35:26have a balance.
35:27So, you can be looking at the guns, looking at the ammunition, looking at the narcotics.
35:32But here was Whitney, we have a vulnerable youth who isn't impacted.
35:38What's there for that youth?
35:41Access to what?
35:42Jobs.
35:43Jobs.
35:44So, that is a very significant part, and I just had to use that to build a bridge that this
35:50is, in fact, a response from the state
35:53that is expected to generate very piercing policies, strategies, and action items.
35:59The second issue that you made reference to, the reference to the police officers that she commended.
36:05Yes.
36:06I want to say to the nation, and I'm going to build on what the caller said, that if the
36:11police service is to protect and serve with pride,
36:14who's the target audience?
36:15The citizens of Trinidad and Tobago.
36:17They're the ones who will be going to protect and serve with pride.
36:19So, when I hear that officers would have had an engagement, and the citizens feel real happy and moved, I
36:27salute that as well.
36:28Because that is where the real core of policing should be directed in terms of ensuring that the people who
36:34you protect and serve
36:35understand how you are doing that protection and serving.
36:38Of course, I'm not speaking operational matters here to say that you're disclosing sensitive matters.
36:44But your protecting and serving must be in conjunction with the citizenry, because they have an important role.
36:52So, if they are not victims, they can be witnesses.
36:55Yes.
36:55But they have a role to play, and I'm very happy and moved to hear the positivity that has been
37:00generated.
37:00I know we have a lot of callers on the line, but one main thing that she mentioned, which I
37:04think is very important,
37:06is that with regards to persons coming out after the SOE, and they won't charge,
37:11and they may want to take legal action against the state, where are we with that?
37:15So, I don't want to call her to wait any longer.
37:16So, we'll go to the caller, and we'll answer that.
37:19Caller, good evening.
37:21Good afternoon with me and the director.
37:25A couple of issues, and I want to tell him, Kashmir's silk is available in a number of outlets in
37:33Trinidad and Tobago,
37:34particularly in Chagones during this period.
37:38But I want to come back to where I believe the police service has to go.
37:44Our prime minister, as president in Florida, has brought back to us a couple of issues.
37:54One, a list of persons of interest is available, so that is work for the TDPS.
38:00The second issue she has said, transfer of technology, assistance, cybercom, etc.,
38:09is the police service, the officers, has the cadre of officers to receive that transfer of technology.
38:21In order for that to be successful in moving the police forward,
38:27we have to have a cadre of police officers with integrity, with intelligence,
38:33to accept that information, pass it on to the relevant people inside the police to move forward.
38:39So that is one.
38:41The other thing I want to talk about, there's a survey apparently the police service commission is introducing into the
38:47public space.
38:48I'm hoping that they have a section about their ability or our feedback and how they have performed,
38:59because that they are an integral part of the police service and what they have done or what they haven't
39:06done
39:06to help the police service move forward with respect to human results.
39:10So, I'm going to have a nice evening.
39:12All right.
39:12Thank you so much, Kola.
39:13Ms. Ali.
39:14Thank you very much, Kola.
39:14Very powerful submissions.
39:16And you know that last one in relation to the police service commission,
39:19Whitney, all I will say is that every single individual, every single institution,
39:25must be embracing their role and functions properly.
39:28And if we are embracing our roles and function properly,
39:31and I'm just going to what the Kola said,
39:33that if, in fact, there's a body that has to look at the police service commission,
39:36you know, nothing stops them from evaluating them.
39:38So, Kola, I'm happy that you have brought that into the domain.
39:41All of us must be checked.
39:42All of us must be evaluated, especially when we put our hands up and say,
39:45okay, you take public office.
39:47I swear by the mighty God that, you know, in terms of the office that you are looking to serve.
39:50So, thank you very much for that.
39:52And with reference to the partnership and the resources that are coming to Trinidad and Tobago,
39:58I think it's an important area as well,
39:59and perhaps the upper echelon of the TTPS and by extension law enforcement,
40:03should give some consideration as to whether, in fact,
40:05we have qualified trained officers to be able to effectively utilize the tools
40:10for the benefit of the people of Trinidad and Tobago.
40:12So, two excellent points. Thank you very much, Kola.
40:14Just some quick information to the public.
40:16You don't forget, it's on on Thursday, March 12th,
40:20Southern Division Town Meeting at the Royal Palm Hotel, Royal Road, San Fernando,
40:24and it's on from 6 p.m.
40:27Come out in your numbers, as the previous caller said, the young lady,
40:31and ask us many questions, give information on what's happening within your community.
40:35So, of course, the TTPS will be guided accordingly to make sure that they can do a better job.
40:40We head back to the phone lines.
40:42Kola, good evening.
40:44Good evening.
40:45Hello?
40:46Are you hearing me?
40:48Yes, sir. Good evening to you.
40:50Good evening to Mr. Ali, and I was with you, sir.
40:54Good afternoon to you, sir.
40:56Mr. Ali, I want to add on to what you were saying earlier about competent drivers.
41:02One of the reasons why the crime is going down right now is because we have a lot of competent
41:08drivers.
41:10We have a competent head of the National Security Council.
41:15We have a competent big-up brother, Taylor Tosi.
41:19We have a competent minister of Homeland Security.
41:24We have a competent minister of defense.
41:28Again, we have a competent commissioner of police, and we have a competent member or director of policies.
41:39You could add on the rest of drivers.
41:41I thank you.
41:42All right.
41:43Thank you, Kola.
41:44Kola, thank you very much for your kind words.
41:46And, you know, I feel, with me, I feel inspired and moved.
41:49You know, one thing I'll say to the citizenry, and I said to the Honorable Minister that any office that
41:58I sit in, if I cannot make a difference, I'll be the first to say thank you.
42:05So I'm not going to be mamaguing, in quote-unquote, the citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago, to be enjoying an
42:10office and a facility, and I'm not seeing progress.
42:13I'm not seeing it's action-oriented.
42:15So, Kola, I want to thank you for what you have recognized from all the way to the top, you
42:21know, and coming down to direct top policy.
42:22I want to thank you very much, and I urge these decision-makers to continue to fire on all cylinders
42:30and to also cause others to follow suit in relation to what's happening in Trinidad and Tobago.
42:35We need excellence in every respect in Trinidad and Tobago, and I'm happy that the citizenry is identifying persons who
42:43they believe are responding in the way that they should.
42:47Of course, like in anything else, there will always be room for improvement, and that is why I always want
42:52to hear from members of the public.
42:53And this symposium for the citizenry, we are coming to you.
42:57We are going to come to you with this because they are, I do not want to disclose what are
43:01some of the things, the areas that we are looking at, sorry,
43:05but the areas that we are looking at will directly meet and greet you for your response in relation to
43:11what's happening.
43:11We take that break. We'll be back with more.
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45:11And we are back legally speaking Wednesdays
45:13We have Mr. Ali here
45:15We head back to the phone 9
45:16Scholar
45:16Good evening
45:16Yes
45:18Good evening
45:18Good evening
45:19Good evening to you sir
45:20Yes
45:22I want to refer to the upcoming symposium
45:25Yes, sure
45:26I want to make a suggestion please
45:29If I may
45:30Most certainly
45:32We have to understand the roots of crime
45:35And this symposium will look at our project
45:38On human development in neighborhoods
45:41That's not really focused
45:43And there are three questions I think they must focus on
45:46Why do some communities and not others
45:50Become the setting for high rates of delinquency
45:54Crime, substance abuse
45:56And drug marketing
45:58That is one
45:59Secondly
46:00Why do some people and not others
46:03Become habituated to a life of criminal behavior
46:08And last but not least
46:10What is the relationship among community structure
46:13Family functioning
46:15Others functioning
46:17And a person's own individual development
46:20As factors influencing criminal behavior
46:24If it's my
46:26It's my teacher
46:27If answers to these questions could be found
46:30They would contribute greatly
46:32To our understanding of criminal behavior
46:35Delinquency
46:36And conservative basis
46:38For preventative strategy
46:41Not only from the police perspective
46:43But from what I like to call
46:45A community justice
46:47To create a different tone
46:50A different character
46:51And different ethos
46:52And develop a quality of lawfulness
46:54And the rule of law
46:55And teach the young people
46:57How to live above the moral line
46:59It's character first
47:00Thank you
47:01Kola don't go yet
47:02Kola
47:03Yes
47:06Yes
47:07I want to thank you very much for
47:09I don't know whether
47:10Where you sit
47:12If you are reading into the symposium
47:15Flow of events
47:16But if
47:17Because what you have just said
47:18We have met
47:21Our minds
47:22And our critical thinking
47:24We have met
47:25And you are
47:26You are on point
47:27And I want to assure you
47:28That the areas
47:29That you have identified
47:31The psychologists
47:32The criminologists
47:34The sociologists
47:35And all the other professionals
47:37Are coming
47:37With the intention
47:39To answer your questions
47:40And I have one further request from you
47:42Kindly leave your number
47:44With the producer
47:45Because I intend to engage you further
47:47I want to thank you very much
47:49All right
47:50Thank you so much
47:51We will take the information
47:54Off air
47:55Now we have some information
47:57That's very important
47:58If anyone knows this gentleman
48:00He has been wandering
48:01Throughout the Port of Spain area
48:04And if anyone with information
48:06We want you to contact
48:08The Central Police Station
48:10Which is in St. Vincent Street
48:12Right now
48:12Anyone with information
48:14Or know this gentleman
48:15Please contact
48:16The Central Police Station
48:18In Port of Spain
48:19That's where he is right now
48:21As we speak
48:22So please
48:22If anyone has information
48:24You could call
48:25The Central Police Station
48:26In Port of Spain
48:27So let me say something
48:28With that situation there
48:29Why are we speaking
48:30About vulnerable youths
48:31What Whitney has just reported
48:33The word vulnerable
48:34May be applicable
48:35In those circumstances
48:36But in a different context
48:38Vulnerable
48:39He may be vulnerable
48:39For many different reasons
48:41Yes
48:42So I want us to understand
48:44And appreciate
48:44The reasoning
48:46And the understanding
48:47Behind vulnerability
48:49You know what vulnerability
48:50Can lead youths to do
48:51Whitney
48:52Mischief
48:52That's correct
48:53Idle hands
48:54And you use
48:55Some indicative terms
48:58That will be appropriate
48:59For children
48:59But let me use
49:00A very aggressive term
49:01Crime
49:01Crime yeah
49:02But you're on point
49:03So vulnerability
49:05It's very important
49:07To identify
49:07When there's vulnerability
49:08So that you can tailor
49:10The necessary intervention
49:11If you're not doing that
49:12You know who going to
49:13Seize on those vulnerabilities
49:15The criminal elements
49:16Of course
49:17To seize on the vulnerabilities
49:18Because that child
49:19Or that youth
49:20May just be in need of what
49:21A good working sneakers
49:24Yeah
49:24And that's the
49:25And that's the turning point
49:26Yep that's the bit
49:27We have back to the phone
49:28Online scholar
49:28Good evening
49:30Good evening
49:31With me
49:32Good evening
49:32Sergeant Ali
49:34I'm going to be brief
49:35Good evening to you sir
49:36I mean sir
49:38The room is burning
49:39While someone
49:40Seems to be fiddling
49:42Today is Wednesday
49:44And I know that tonight
49:45I'm going to be bombarded
49:47With car walking
49:48From the back
49:48Close to my home
49:49We have old friends
49:51Who are being bombarded
49:52Every day
49:53Every night
49:54And we are waiting
49:55For action sir
49:57I'm hoping
49:58And waiting sir
50:00Good night
50:01Thank you very much
50:02Caller
50:02Caller and
50:03I want to say again
50:05On public television
50:05Since my assumption
50:07Of responsibility
50:08At the office
50:08Of director of policy
50:10There are two major areas
50:11That I directly focus on
50:12In relation to what
50:13These citizenry
50:13Is crying all for
50:14We have spoken about
50:15The vulnerable youths
50:16In relation to crime prevention
50:17From a social context
50:18And otherwise
50:19That issue that he's
50:21Speaking about
50:21Whitney
50:22A noise pollution policy
50:24With engagement
50:25From various stakeholders
50:26Was drafted
50:27And submitted
50:28To higher offices
50:29And I'm asking
50:30On behalf of you
50:31Member of the public
50:33That I again
50:34Will inquire as to
50:36Where that policy resides
50:37With the hope and expectation
50:39To continue to drive it
50:41To get it in the place
50:42That it's supposed to go
50:42To deal with the issues
50:43Of noise
50:44So I just want to thank you
50:45For refreshing it again
50:46This afternoon
50:47Let me bring this up
50:48With regards
50:49Now I don't know
50:49The situation
50:50Full details
50:51Because I'll learn
50:52From you
50:52Just don't go
50:53And assume
50:54But I'm taking info
50:55That he's seeing there
50:56What about persons
50:57Who live in communities
50:59Residential areas
51:00Where there are bars
51:01Right
51:02And obviously
51:03They have to give
51:04The address of the said bar
51:06Where the bar is located
51:08And they are granted
51:10A liquor license
51:11Or a dance hall license
51:14I mean
51:16Where are we
51:17If the people in the community
51:18Are complaining
51:19But they are getting the license
51:20That means they are authorized
51:21To conduct the business there
51:23Well Whitney
51:24While they may be having a license
51:25To engage in trade
51:27In the liquor license act
51:29There are particular grounds
51:30In which you can object
51:31And the policy that I spoke about
51:33So when I looked at the law
51:35I looked at the law
51:36With a very deep lens
51:37And look at
51:38I'm looking
51:39We looked at the law
51:40Sorry
51:40With a view of
51:41Strengthening the liquor license act
51:42So you see what you spoke about
51:43Where a license granted
51:44You may not have to wait
51:46For the renewal
51:48Let's say for example
51:49A couple months
51:49Or a year
51:51Immediately
51:52Actions can be taken
51:53To be able to deal
51:54With that license
51:54Whether revocation
51:56Whether varying conditions
51:58So it's about
51:59Strengthening the liquor license
52:00Act
52:01To ensure that there's a balance
52:02Now
52:03It's not so much
52:04The liquor license act
52:06You know Whitney
52:06Okay
52:07What happens with a liquor license
52:09Or a place that is
52:10A license premises
52:11You have a person
52:13Playing loud music
52:14Whether it be through cars
52:15Whether it be through the bar
52:17And it now goes out
52:18Wide into the community
52:19Or people
52:20Well
52:21I'm going to need
52:22The context with
52:23Loud music at this stage
52:24Okay cool
52:25So what you may want
52:26Is at a situation
52:27Where a loud music report
52:29Should be one that triggers
52:31An immediate review
52:32Of that particular license
52:33But more importantly
52:34While we are looking
52:36At policy reform
52:36I want to make the point
52:37That in the law books
52:40There are summary offenses
52:42That can be applied
52:43Where there's a breach of the peace
52:45Or there's a
52:46There's noise that is
52:47Causing a public nuisance
52:49However it must be
52:50Investigated properly
52:51And the citizenry
52:52Who are aggrieved
52:53Must be able to come forward
52:55Because how am I going to
52:57Communicate to a court
52:58That Whitney's aggrieved
52:59Jackie's aggrieved
53:00Less than is aggrieved
53:01And nobody shows up
53:02That's correct
53:03And nobody's aggrieved
53:04So it is important for us
53:05Again
53:06A multi-sectoral approach
53:09To deal with crime
53:10What we need now
53:11Is a multi-party response
53:13To deal with noise pollution
53:14Because you have to show
53:16Who are being impacted
53:18All right
53:18We have a caller
53:19Caller
53:20Good evening
53:23Hello
53:23Hello
53:24Yes
53:25Listen to us
53:26And mute your television
53:27Please
53:28Okay
53:29Let me mute
53:29Are you there
53:32Yes
53:33All right
53:34All right
53:34You can go ahead
53:35You can go ahead
53:36Your television volume
53:37Is still
53:39On
53:40You can just mute it
53:41For us please
53:43Thank you
53:47Hello
53:50Yes
53:50Yes
53:52Hello
53:52Yes
53:53You can go ahead
53:54Ma'am
53:54All right
53:55Your television volume
53:56Is still
53:57On
53:58Ma'am
53:59And we're getting
53:59Echoing
54:02Yeah we are hearing
54:03It is echoing
54:04So we wouldn't hear you
54:05Properly
54:07Just take off
54:08The television
54:09Okay
54:10Take off your television
54:12And you can go ahead
54:12And proceed with the question
54:13It's off
54:18It's off
54:18Go ahead
54:19Yes go ahead
54:19Just ask your question
54:20Ma'am
54:22Good afternoon
54:22Please
54:23Get it
54:23There are many different
54:25Between the truth
54:26And the path
54:27If there is a difference
54:28Thank you
54:30Yeah Jackie
54:30We were unable to hear
54:31The caller
54:32At this time
54:33We will have to
54:35Find a way to
54:36Get her to either
54:37Take off the volume
54:38Take off the television
54:38But we are unable to
54:40Hear what you're saying
54:41But again
54:42This is the important
54:43Of persons
54:45Understanding their rights
54:46Not just
54:47Business owners
54:48Yes
54:48But also persons
54:49Who live in residential areas
54:51That may have businesses there
54:52Yes
54:52Because you know
54:53There are commercial spaces
54:54That's right
54:55That when you are using a place
54:57To conduct business
54:59The rights will be different
55:00And where you are taking us
55:02Whitney
55:03Long ago
55:04You used to have an area
55:04Designated for agriculture
55:05An area designated for commercial activities
55:07An area designated for residential
55:10But what we have found in Trinidad and Tobago
55:11There is a mixture of land use
55:13And that is why it's important
55:14That laws
55:15And let me say this
55:16Because I can speak policy wise
55:17And law
55:18The laws that may have been in the law books
55:20For a while
55:23If circumstances
55:24Has or have changed
55:25If through time
55:27You're recognizing that
55:29In a particular area
55:30Whitney wants to be residential
55:32Zaheer wants to be commercial
55:35Jackie wants to be agricultural
55:36A law that governs that particular area
55:39Must factor in
55:40The three
55:43Conflicting rights
55:44So that you have a balance
55:45So that Zaheer is not able
55:47To do his commercial activities
55:49At the expense of Whitney
55:50Resting at night
55:51Or Jackie
55:53Going to her garden
55:54And realizes
55:55Only bottles all over the place
55:56So it's important for us
55:58When we're speaking about
55:59The rule of law
56:00Starting from the constitution
56:01And coming down
56:03It must be relevant
56:04And serving
56:05The society's requirements
56:08And that's an important factor
56:09So you can have
56:10Sometimes the best human resource
56:11If it comes down to systems
56:16That are
56:17I'm sorry to use this word
56:18But it's a
56:19Decayed system
56:22Then we are going to
56:23Be having problems
56:24And not achieving the process
56:25For example
56:26Both of us look
56:28Very impressive here this afternoon
56:29Oh wow
56:30But could you imagine
56:31That Jackie is non-functional
56:34Pressure
56:34And we wouldn't be able
56:36To broadcast
56:37Then what will happen
56:38To the citizenry
56:39They'll be deprived
56:40They'll be deprived
56:40Correct
56:40Understand that
56:41Yes
56:41So it's all linked together
56:43And speaking of linking
56:44Everything together
56:45Tomorrow we'll be heading
56:46To UWE St. Augustine
56:48For the symposium
56:49Of course we'll be talking
56:50To some of the major experts
56:53Across different sectors
56:54Throughout Trinidad and Tobago
56:55And we will definitely see
56:57Our favourite attorney
56:58Who will be there
56:59Among the Minister of Homeland Security
57:01As well
57:02And experts as I mentioned before
57:04Mr. Ali
57:06We have a few seconds
57:07You'd like to close
57:08Well I want to thank you very much
57:09You know you did
57:10Justice to the closing
57:11In terms of
57:11Reinforcing
57:12That something is happening
57:14In Trinidad and Tobago
57:15That has a purpose
57:16And it's action oriented
57:18That's it
57:19Stay safe Trinidad and Tobago
57:20Thank you so much Mr. Ali
57:21News is up next
57:22TNT
57:23We'll be back tomorrow
57:23Of course
57:24Your favourite officer
57:26Will be joining us
57:27ASP Russell
57:28TNT
57:28God bless
57:29We are out
57:29See you then
57:44I'll see you then