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00:00This is, uh, I don't know, I think some of us are going a little bit nuts here.
00:08It's weird because I always acquiesce to coaches, and so you're a coach, so I might just go,
00:14tell me more.
00:15And I don't want to, it's very odd because the guy who I'm always sitting across, it's
00:20usually he's got me ready to cut him with a shank about five minutes into this.
00:26So, I listened to the audio, and then I heard the, I saw the audio, I saw the video of
00:31him
00:32having the audio of, uh, Todd Munkin talking to the reporters.
00:36Did you get a vibe that he was a little annoyed by the series of questions that he was asked?
00:40Yeah, he seemed, it was 38 minutes of, like you said, it was, uh, just like he was almost,
00:46like, bothered that you would ask these type of questions, and the reason it was refreshing
00:50to me is because some of the questions that are asked to Brown's coaches in the past is
00:55because of where they've been.
00:56Yes.
00:57And I like the fact that Todd Munkin's like, no, we don't give equal reps.
01:01We're going to give these guys a look, and we're going to give them the looks and the
01:04coverages and the blitzes, but the top guy's got to play, and that should be refreshing
01:08because hopefully, you know, it's not what you say, it's what you do, and that's how you
01:12turn the culture, which is the most overused word in football, but that's what they got
01:16to kind of do.
01:17So, yeah, he looked irritated, and I wasn't really mad about it.
01:19I thought it was a good thing for him.
01:21So, a lot of us, and this is going to be tedium for a lot of fans here, a lot
01:24of us
01:24are going to be trying to figure out who's going to be the quarterback because I think
01:27there's some people who just want the best quarterback to be on the field, and I think
01:31that if Todd Munkin wants to decide that, that's fair.
01:33I think there's a lot of people who really do not want to deal with Deshaun Watson playing
01:38for the football team.
01:39I think there's some people who'd love to see him take another quarterback and be done with
01:42all of them.
01:43It is really a mixed bag with everybody else out there.
01:46My processing's a little mixed up there.
01:48Oh, and I know I don't want me to do some inside baseball.
01:50I know it's not your fault.
01:51Hopefully, we can get that figured out in the back.
01:55I think for Todd Munkin, I think that this was really the first foray into the tedium
02:03that happens.
02:03And I think you just hit it right there when you said, well, they're not really asking
02:07questions.
02:07How did you put it in the past?
02:09You're talking about where the Browns have been.
02:10Like, these are questions that were asked day in and day out and day in and day out to
02:16his predecessor.
02:17And you would get no answer.
02:18And so he would just say, I understand the question and you move on.
02:21Todd's going to be a little bit different.
02:23And I think Todd was a little bit annoyed going, man, we're really going over the amount
02:27of reps here.
02:28Like, yeah, we're going to go over the amount of reps here because it was the biggest deal
02:30ever in training camp last year.
02:32Like, he is going to be, I hope that this is refreshing to the point where there's a
02:38lot of things that I think are really dumb and that are actually done just for content.
02:43One of the main things that I think is dumb and done for content is camp stats.
02:49The charts of where they're at as far as, if you disagree, fine, let me know.
02:54Oh, no, I could not be.
02:56I dislike it more than you dislike it.
02:58There's no context.
03:00It's, you know, to each his own.
03:02That makes no sense to me.
03:04Camp stats make no sense.
03:05Well, you're going to have to like him this year because he told you yesterday, like,
03:10everybody's going to get different reps.
03:11You're not getting equal reps now.
03:13And there's no, there's no way, you know, last year when we had the four quarterback race
03:18and there was a way to go, well, this guy got to have reps with the ones and this guy
03:23got to have reps with the twos and this guy got to have reps at Baldwin Wallace, right?
03:27Like they were all different and there was a way to read it.
03:30So now he's basically telling you, watch the reps.
03:34Whoever's getting the most reps, that's the guy that's the leader in the clubhouse.
03:37Yeah.
03:37And I hope he's going to be a little bit more openly communicative because it was, it was
03:41a mess last year.
03:42And I think it led the fan base astray and it really turned the fan base against Kevin.
03:46Just because, not just because you were losing games.
03:48Eventually you got turned on Kevin because you were losing football games.
03:52But you, I think a lot of it turned the fan base on Kevin because a lot of people wanted
03:57to be quote unquote fair.
03:59It wasn't fair.
04:00I do think it wasn't handled very well whatsoever.
04:02The, the quarterback competition, whatever training camp, et cetera, et cetera.
04:06I just look at this.
04:08I think it's lowest common denominator.
04:10I think it's flat out dumb.
04:11I think it makes for dumber fans.
04:13I think it's the most unimportant thing that you could possibly find in the, in the fact
04:16that I have to acknowledge it in some fashion as a host bothers me to my core because I'm
04:22doing everything I can.
04:24I understand that we get accused of a lot of things and a lot of it's blamed right on us.
04:28If you think what I said is stupid, well, I'm sorry, but that's what I meant at the time.
04:34I didn't do it to get you all worked up and going.
04:37And I think camp, camp stats, when it says, you know, Watson was, you know, six for 14,
04:43but Deshaun, but Shador, you know, he was 10 at 12.
04:46It's like, no, we're, we're asking them to do different things with the offense.
04:50There's a different ownership of the offense, a different understanding with the offense.
04:54We're seeing what they could do.
04:55You know, do you know what checks to do?
04:57I mean, good coach, you know, more than I, more than I do about this.
05:00Okay.
05:01So I, if you can explain it better, you can explain it better, but I already know what
05:05road we're about to go down.
05:07And it really, it started yesterday, introductory press conferences and interviews and little
05:11interviews and things like that to get to know you.
05:12That's fine.
05:13We haven't done anything when it comes to football.
05:15Now he's talking football.
05:16Now he's being asked about reps.
05:18And I thought he came off visibly annoyed by some of the questions he was being asked on.
05:23We're talking about fairness and reps and how, what, on what plan the guy's been coaching
05:2737 years on what planet do they have the equal amount of reps for everybody?
05:32It's almost like asking the equal amount of blueberries in each muffin and casino.
05:35Like it's, it's an impossible thing to do.
05:38Well, and the, first of all, the idea of fair goes away, right?
05:41So people say, well, Shador didn't get his look.
05:43Well, they drafted a guy at third round.
05:45That's where they, they, they thought he was the guy.
05:47So they went away from, uh, you know, there's no fair.
05:50The other thing for me is the idea that, you know, if you're, uh, if you're taking camp stats,
05:55there's no context.
05:56And what I mean by that, when you look at those things and it says 10 for 14, or it
05:59says
05:5910 for 12, where was it?
06:01Where they, it was at seven on seven.
06:03Did they start the drill?
06:05I remember reading where, uh, Shador was three for five and such and such.
06:10It was at the three yard line.
06:11So when he threw throws three touchdowns, they started at the three yard line.
06:16So there's no context of pressure.
06:18There's no context of what the drill was.
06:20There's no context.
06:21Do they know what the defense is giving them?
06:23Because they will do that.
06:24Say, Hey, we're going to run this route.
06:25It's cover two.
06:26Here's what we're looking for.
06:27Try to squeeze it in here.
06:28So you can get a visual.
06:29There's absolutely no context.
06:31And really it doesn't matter until you get live bullets for me as a quarterback.
06:35So that's the issue.
06:36There's no context.
06:37And it means there's nothing that means less to me than camp stats there.
06:41It, because of the fact you don't know what they're doing in camp and what's being
06:45scheduled.
06:45So he was asked about reps and he was asked about a bunch of different little things
06:49there.
06:49And he handled the questions I think as best he could, even though I thought he was a
06:52little bit annoyed.
06:53We'll talk about him missing the coaches, uh, coaches, big photo coming up here in just a
06:57bit.
06:57But I, there was something there that I don't want to call out somebody else too soon.
07:03I'm not trying to call them out.
07:04I just, I think we're being, well, naive is a strong word.
07:08I don't know if I want to use naive.
07:11Yes.
07:12Okay.
07:13This is, I'm an emotional boy.
07:16I, I want Shador Sanders to start the season because I think I have to be a conduit with the
07:22fans.
07:23Part of this is entertainment.
07:24Part of this is real life.
07:25Okay.
07:26I get that.
07:27I want Shador to start the season.
07:29I can't make Todd Munkin start Shador to start the season.
07:33And Jonathan wants Shador to start the season.
07:37Is Nick on Jonathan?
07:39Lima wants Shador to start the season.
07:41Is Nick on Jonathan's side with that or no?
07:42I'm just trying to keep everybody's ducks in a row here.
07:45Do you know?
07:46I don't know.
07:47I don't know with Nick.
07:47I think, I think he's pretty, uh, even keel.
07:49I think he's more in the get a winning quarterback.
07:52Okay.
07:53Do we, well, I don't know if we're going to find one this year, so you kind of got to
07:55go with what you have.
07:56Do you, do we know where midday stands?
07:59Are they, I have not ran my poll with midday yet.
08:02I will as soon as I see them.
08:04Is Jeff still talking?
08:04I will put Jeff in the corner and go, you give me an answer now, Jeff Phelps.
08:08Will he give an, is it still Jake Locker with him or which way does he want to take it?
08:11He loves him.
08:13He also likes, uh, Matt McGloin.
08:15Matt McGloin.
08:17Um, I, I heard this from Jonathan and I go, man, I've, I've tried to will an answer before
08:22that hasn't worked.
08:23And this is, I'll let you guys hear it.
08:27I think this is emotional.
08:28Kenny Carmen one-on-one hit it.
08:29Cause I can hear other shows tomorrow, for instance, I can hear them already discussing
08:34it and, and being like, well, yeah, Todd Munkin might've given some credence to the idea that
08:40it should door out of the gate, but he may be walked it back.
08:42It wasn't really serious.
08:44Okay.
08:44I just, I know what I heard.
08:46And what I heard Nick was somebody that seemed very enthused at the idea that Shador Sanders
08:49is in his office a lot and made a point of it to mention how little Deshaun Watson had
08:54been there.
08:54And now he hadn't really seen Dylan Gabriel.
08:56I don't think those things were an accident.
08:59And at this point, when you have a spot with Munkin, the way that they do, where he's
09:04so raw to all this, and he's so new to all this, I don't think he knows not to say
09:09these
09:10type of things quite yet.
09:11So I know my stance on that.
09:14Uh, I want to hear you first though.
09:16You're the guy who's done the job.
09:17Um, so when you hear that from Jonathan, what do you think?
09:22Well, there's, you know, here's the thing that the reason going back to him being bothered,
09:26these questions bother him because really what it comes down to when you've been in, you
09:29know, he's at Georgia and then he's with the Ravens.
09:31He's got a great quarterback.
09:32Uh, he's got a very stable organization, both in college.
09:35Uh, he's got hardball, he's got Kirby smart.
09:38So these questions I think bother him because it's the best guy is going to play.
09:41And when people hear whatever they want to hear, the thing that I want to hear from Todd
09:45Munkin as a coach is the best guys are going to play.
09:47I'm not worried about the future.
09:49I'm not worried about development.
09:50We'll do that in the off season.
09:52I'm worried about week one.
09:53That's why I don't do, uh, that's why I like the idea of you can win every game.
09:57Because if you say you're going to win nine, you've automatically told yourself you're going
10:01to lose eight.
10:03That's ridiculous to me.
10:04And that's kind of where I think Todd Munkin is with all these questions.
10:08And when people say about Shador and what people talk like for him, it's no, it's not
10:12going to be equal.
10:13No, it's had, has no chance of being equal.
10:16That's not how football works.
10:17And he's got kind of an old school vibe, which I really love it in terms of we're going to
10:21figure out who the best guy is and he's going to play.
10:23And I don't care what anybody says.
10:25And he's going to do lots of things that irritate a lot of people because he doesn't
10:29care.
10:29And he, hopefully he's to the point where that includes the GM and the owner, because I'm
10:35the guy on the field making these decisions, not you guys.
10:38And that's, for me, that's going to allow him to have success.
10:41Until that, until that happens, until the coach is making more decisions, I think the
10:45Browns struggle.
10:46So the first thing is, when it comes to Shador always being in the office, Shador should be
10:50in the facility as much as he can.
10:52There's a lot of things that he has to learn, especially with the new offense.
10:55Shador recognizes this.
10:56What this is doing, and for Shador fans, this should make you feel a lot better, is that
11:02he's doing everything he can to know that he's got to really hit the ground running here.
11:06This is going to be a very important OTA.
11:08And so he's got to have the idea that he knows the offense, and he's got to have the idea
11:12that he can grow with this new offense because it's going to be different for him.
11:15So him being in the office is great.
11:17I still don't think that means anything to him being the week one starter.
11:20Well, perception is reality.
11:21So the idea from the outside world is, oh, Shador's doing everything he can.
11:24That necessarily doesn't mean Watson and Gabriel aren't doing the same thing.
11:29Obviously, with technology, you can learn all this stuff.
11:32It doesn't mean that you can't do it because you're not in the building.
11:35But perception is reality in football, and people want to see their guy making all the
11:39efforts, not doing anything else.
11:41He's only football.
11:42And when you're not there, that's kind of the vibe people get.
11:45You're not doing your stuff.
11:46I don't agree with that, and I think it's important that he's there, and I think it's
11:49important that his teammates see him there.
11:50But in reality, if he's not making plays to Todd Munkin's liking, then the next guy's got
11:57to get in, in my opinion.
11:58So he might have, I'm not going to lie, I think that being in the office to some level
12:05in OTA day one might give you a little bit more.
12:09But if Deshaun Watson goes out there and throws the ball all over the place and guys are catching
12:13and it looks better and he has a better grasp of the offense, that's going to change day
12:16two.
12:16The same thing with Dylan Gabriel.
12:18There's a lot of times where I could be like, he's a go-getter.
12:21He's a really good, he's a tough football player.
12:23He might not be the best football player I have.
12:25But maybe let's find a place for this guy on the field.
12:28Except he doesn't play safety, he doesn't play outside linebacker.
12:31I can't put him on special teams.
12:33You know, he's a quarterback.
12:34Only one can play at one time.
12:36And so I've got to put the best one out there.
12:38So I can't just go, boy, this guy's going to be a good player.
12:40Let's hold on to him.
12:41Let's develop him.
12:42And until we develop him, let's put him on kickoff.
12:44Like there's none of that type of thing.
12:46So it will help, but it can only take you far enough.
12:49The other thing that I didn't care for, and this is where, this is a real Kenny Carmen hope from
12:55Jonathan.
12:56Where it's like, hey, Todd Muckett, maybe he spoke out of turn.
13:00Maybe he said a little bit too much.
13:02Maybe he doesn't understand that.
13:03It's like, man, he's been getting paid to do this, I think, for 37 years.
13:07And so he's been a big-time college football since Oklahoma State in 0-2.
13:11He's been in and out of the NFL ever since.
13:13It's like he's been at high levels of football for a very long period of time,
13:19for longer than a lot of people who are on their way being taken to school right now
13:22or getting ready for school right now have been alive.
13:25I don't think that he does it.
13:27I don't think there's many words to get away from him.
13:29And I don't think those words got away from him yesterday as far as what to say, what not to
13:34say.
13:35I don't think it's Freddie.
13:36I think he's the opposite of Freddie.
13:38That's why I think he didn't get along with Freddie at all in 2019.
13:41Because, like, really I think that he didn't have a lot of respect for Freddie,
13:45and I think that he was really turned off by everything,
13:46and I thought that the offense was a mess and everything was a mess.
13:48Well, he's got a type A personality.
13:50And when you have a type A personality as a coach, you know, if you practice something all week,
13:54that's what I've heard Todd Munkin say about Freddie Kitchens a ton.
13:56We do something during the week, and then Sunday he would do his own thing.
14:00There's nothing more maddening as a coach because you're giving up 60, 80 hours a week,
14:04and you're doing all these things, and then the guy who's calling the place changes it.
14:08So you lose everybody else's investment.
14:10You lose everybody else's care because what it really comes down to is you're making the final decision.
14:15That's what happened with Freddie, besides some of the unprofessionalism that I've heard about.
14:20But for me, I just think Todd Munkin has to come in, and he's got to demand things that Kevin
14:25didn't.
14:26And that's really hard to do, but I think it's easier to do when you're older.
14:30Like you said, 37 years, he's going to come in, and if he doesn't,
14:34they're going to go down the same path, in my opinion.
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