00:00Oh, Caden Proctor, number six, overall.
00:07Okay, fine.
00:09Who's going to be, who's going to help?
00:10Do you want a weapon for Deshaun Watson week one?
00:14Is that what you want for this football team?
00:16Is that what you're pining for Anthony Lima?
00:19Is that what you so desire?
00:21I, I, you know what?
00:24I, we went to break and I brought up how, how bad the draft is.
00:27And I, I don't want people to get this confused.
00:30There, there are going to be great players taking this draft.
00:32There's probably going to be, is there a hall of famer in every draft?
00:35Can we go that far?
00:38No, there's not a hall of famer in every draft, but I mean, there's usually this.
00:42I don't know.
00:43Let me go looking through the drafts.
00:44Probably there's one in each one at some point.
00:46Either way, there's going to be great players in this draft.
00:50There's going to be all pros.
00:51There's going to be, you know, pro bowlers.
00:53If we care about that, there's going to be,
00:55you can't necessarily say there's a starting quarterback of the future.
00:58Obviously, Mendoza, number one,
01:00the thought is that he could be a franchise quarterback.
01:03He projects to be a franchise quarterback,
01:05but you can't guarantee it every year.
01:07All I'm saying is,
01:08I don't mean to wipe people's hopes and dreams out by saying it's a bad draft
01:13and that the, the, the people that do this for a living are like, well,
01:18Cardinal Tate at six, if this were any other draft, he wouldn't go there.
01:21I'm not saying that wouldn't be a good player.
01:22You brought up T Higgins.
01:23All I'm saying is the traditional value that is assigned in these pick ranges
01:28every year.
01:29They have told you, man, there, there's no Joe all.
01:32There's no normally guys that you take in this front in this range,
01:36do not project where they typically do.
01:39So that is what makes this draft a little bit different from your traditional
01:43draft.
01:43Let's go to Ryan Wilson.
01:44He's on the make it right.
01:45Call Kyle Wright hotline.
01:46He's from CBS sports,
01:47NFL and NFL draft analyst for CBS sports host the with the first pick podcast.
01:52With Rand Carthon, former NFL GM, Ryan,
01:55what the hell do you have with Monroe Freeland going number six?
01:58Overall, are you doing this just to upset us?
02:02Good morning, Ken.
02:03It's always good to talk to you.
02:04Yes.
02:05Look, here's the explanatory note.
02:08And one of my sayings is if you're explaining, you're losing.
02:11So, uh, hold on.
02:14I would take Caden Proctor here all day long.
02:16Um, I think you would take him.
02:18I would take Caden Proctor.
02:20I think we're overthinking it with him, but, uh, the caveat,
02:23the mitigating factor in terms of my thought process for the Browns at six is
02:27that if you have concerns about the Juan Jones's weight, clearly they did.
02:31And the rest of the league did because he fell to the fourth round.
02:33Uh, then maybe you want to pass on Caden Proctor who was three 57 and look
02:37great at the combine, but he did not play at three 57.
02:41He played somewhere North of that.
02:43So how far North can you go?
02:45I played North of that.
02:46So, I mean, I understand.
02:47Yeah.
02:48Give me a number, Ryan.
02:48I want a number.
02:49I want a number.
02:50Six, seven.
02:51You got to put that.
02:52This is all fair.
02:53It's, it's the game of the draft.
02:55We have to pay attention to these things.
02:56We're not body shaming.
02:58We're not dying, but I need a number.
03:00No, I I'm sure he played probably 20 plus pounds North of that.
03:04And there were reasons I had heard, I don't think anyone has reported this,
03:07but I had heard, you know,
03:09one of the incentives was to allow him to do the things he did against
03:11George in terms of catching passes and, and running the ball was if,
03:15if he, if he met his, his weight requirements, that, that would be,
03:18you know, sort of his, his bonus, if you will.
03:21So look, he looked good.
03:23And when I said some of the combine, as I mentioned,
03:26and when he is on, he is absolutely locked in and ready to go.
03:30And if you got Titus Howard to play on the right side,
03:32then I love that booking with Cain Proctor.
03:34But if the weight concerns are a concern at all for you and you're drafting
03:38him and you've had those issues with DeJuan Jones,
03:41the next best left tackle for me is Caleb Lomu, but he's probably a year away.
03:45He needs to add some weight.
03:46And then it's Monroe Freeland.
03:47And I was talking to some folks at Georgia and I said,
03:50I think Monroe's probably closer to the bottom half of the first round guy.
03:53And they didn't disagree.
03:54They thought top six was, was a little rich, but that was my thought process.
03:59But if you were asking me to make the pick with the promise that you wouldn't fire me,
04:03it would, it would be Cain Proctor.
04:05Boy, that's tough, Ryan, because we just played audio from Todd McShay.
04:09And I'm not asking you to get in a fight and rip Todd, but they're saying it's crazy.
04:13They're saying it's absolutely nuts to go after Cain Proctor.
04:17I said, I like Cain Proctor at 24 last week and I was getting ripped for it.
04:21Like there's a lot of things that people just don't like about him.
04:24They hear, they hear some of the horror stories about the weight, things like that.
04:28Now I'm sensitive to being critical about an athlete's weight because I know what I look like.
04:32So let's, let's be honest here.
04:33But also, you know, they, they bring up, well, Alabama offensive linemen haven't had a lot of great Alabama offensive
04:40linemen.
04:40I go, well, if he would have just stayed at Iowa last year, would he have been a better prospect
04:44to everybody?
04:45I, I can damn sure tell you, I know it wasn't his son calling the offense anymore over there,
04:50but they wouldn't have been throwing him tunnel screens like they did at Alabama.
04:52That did show off his athleticism, Ryan.
04:55Yeah, it is my experience that people on the internet get very angry about things that minutes prior they had
05:03no knowledge of.
05:04So I try to couch that, my expectations of them when I hear the pushback.
05:09And I'm not talking about McShay, I'm just talking about fans.
05:12And fans are obviously, look, they have a right to get frustrated,
05:15especially if the product they've seen in Cleveland hasn't met their expectations.
05:19I would imagine it hasn't, but I try not to lose too much sleep over people evaluating players.
05:25They almost certainly have not watched to the extent that I have, and I'm okay with that.
05:28The other thing is this, like nobody knows, and that includes NFL teams.
05:32That's why they miss every year.
05:33So one guy's opinion working for CBS Sports isn't going to make or break whether the Browns make the Super
05:39Bowl.
05:39But I can tell you based on what I've seen that Caden Proctor is a good player.
05:42And sometimes, based on my experience, we overthink a lot of things.
05:46Kyle Hamilton fell to the middle of the first round because he ran slow in the combine.
05:49He's a fantastic player.
05:50Durbin James fell to the middle of the first round.
05:52Brian Branch was a second-round pick.
05:54At some point, if they're good on tape, they're probably going to be pretty good at the next level.
05:59Brian Wilson, join us on the hotline.
06:02How do you walk that tightrope in the first round with the Browns needing wide receiver?
06:08Let's say they did take a wide receiver at No. 6 overall,
06:12but they obviously would look to try and get another offensive lineman with that next pick.
06:20Can you sit there and wait to see if one falls, or do you have to trade up at that
06:24point?
06:24Yeah, if you want to play this game, and maybe fans like this better,
06:28you can take Carnell Tate at 6.
06:30And I was at the Miami Pro Day last Monday and then the Ohio State Pro Day on Wednesday,
06:34and every conversation I had about Carnell was, is he a top-10 pick?
06:39Like, that's the question that was posed to me when I was talking to scouts.
06:42And I think he is the comp for me and a lot of people.
06:46It's not original.
06:46It's T. Higgins.
06:47And T. Higgins, another example of someone who fell into the second round
06:50because he ran, quotation marks, slow during the pre-draft process.
06:53Then the follow-up is, is T. Higgins a top-10 pick if he had a redraft?
06:56And I think it's close.
06:58My point is that you could take Carnell there if you feel good about it.
07:01And then someone like Caleb Lomu out of Utah will probably be there.
07:06And, you know, probably is not a game you necessarily want to play at 24,
07:10so maybe you have to do it with a few spots if there's a run in offensive tackles.
07:13But you could switch it out that way if that makes you feel better over Caden
07:16or Moreau Freeland and Casey Concepcion, for example, at 24.
07:20Take Carnell Tate at 6 and then Caleb Lomu at 24,
07:23and you get the same guys with different names
07:26and maybe feel a little bit better about it.
07:28Ryan Wilson joining us on the show.
07:29So at 24, you have Casey Concepcion, and Texas A&M,
07:34they were considerably better last year with Mike Elko as the head coach.
07:37Still some questionable quarterback play, and he's got some questionable hands.
07:40So you take him at 6'4", but that's a great size.
07:44But also I have Andrew Barry taking a wide receiver.
07:47You have Andrew Barry taking a wide receiver that might not be good at catching footballs.
07:51That's a little bit of a problem here for us fans here, Ryan.
07:54He did have seven drops last year,
07:56but he is absolutely electric with the ball in his hands.
07:59And look, he's sub-6 feet, and maybe this sounds a little bit like the Jerry Judy
08:03scouting report coming out of Alabama, and I realize that.
08:07But he provides returnability, and you have to get that wide receiver for him some help.
08:13And again, you've got to do the math.
08:14Is it worth drafting Carnell at 6?
08:17Are there opportunities to trade down from 6?
08:19Because you need a partner to trade up.
08:21If someone like Orville re-slips,
08:23maybe there's a team that's interested in coming to get him at 6,
08:25and that'll provide you that opportunity.
08:27But Casey Concepcion had a really good 2024 season at NC State,
08:31and he had an even better campaign last year for Texas A&M.
08:34There were the focus drops.
08:35They don't concern me.
08:36He's a hands catcher.
08:37I just think it's a matter of making sure you're paying attention.
08:41It's not a situation where he's fighting the football.
08:43He can play in the slot.
08:45He can play outside.
08:45As I mentioned, the returnability.
08:47And after the catch, he's absolutely electric.
08:50He gives you 95% of what Makai Lemon does, in my opinion.
08:54But Makai Lemon is probably going to be in the top 15 range.
08:57So, you know, at 6 and 24, it's great to have those picks.
09:00But they're sort of positioned not ideally.
09:04I mean, you'd rather have probably picks 11 and 17, 12 and 18,
09:09something like that, to get the best value.
09:12But, you know, you've got 6 and 24,
09:14and you've got to figure it out from there.
09:16Well, you mentioned a couple of guys who are different positions,
09:19but I want to bring it all together.
09:20Like, Makai Lemon and the Combine interview,
09:23Arvel Reese and the still shot of him trying to get around a cone.
09:28Have we just reached an insane point where we are looking to pick apart
09:32these prospects and the way the internet gets a hold of one thing or another?
09:37Do teams actually operate like this?
09:39Or is this just a media and fan convention?
09:44I think it's a little bit of both.
09:45I say it all the time.
09:47If the draft were a week after the Super Bowl,
09:49we wouldn't have anything to talk about.
09:50These players would be probably more highly regarded.
09:53Makai Lemon, no one in the league cares about that.
09:56When you talk to people at USC, they say he's a quiet kid
09:59and he's focused on football.
10:01I don't necessarily think it's his job to make the media feel better
10:04about themselves at Combine interviews.
10:06The Arvel Reese thing, folks in the league are like,
10:09okay, this is just a solidifier point that maybe he's closer
10:13to being an off-ball linebacker than an edge rusher.
10:16And I get it.
10:17It didn't look great.
10:19And two days prior to the Miami Pro Day,
10:21you'll watch Akeem Mesidor and Reuben Bain, you know,
10:24battle the sled.
10:25And the one word that kept coming to mind is just violence
10:27because they were treating it like an undirected free agent left tackle
10:33in the week three of the preseason.
10:35It was kind of fun to watch.
10:36And you didn't get that sense of Arvel.
10:38But I'll just say this.
10:39And you guys watch a lot of Ohio State.
10:41If you watch Arvel in the fall, he was pretty good.
10:44He was really good, actually.
10:45He was better than Sonny Stiles at times.
10:47He was better than Caleb Downs.
10:49So, again, not great in the back drill.
10:51Maybe he's an off-ball linebacker.
10:53And then you have to decide to see a top-ten pick
10:55with that versatility that he provides.
10:57So, in retrospect, just don't do the back drill
11:01if people are going to get that sort of pushback on the Internet
11:03because the tape is the tape.
11:05And what he did in 2025 was pretty special, I thought.
11:08Every Browns fan I talk to has been bringing up a potential trade down
11:13from No. 6 overall.
11:15But, obviously, you need to find a team that would actually want to trade up
11:19and a player they would want to trade up for.
11:22Is Jeremiah Love that player?
11:24And do you think he even lasts to No. 6?
11:29So, I had him going forward to the Titans.
11:31The Titans have a ton of needs.
11:32And you mentioned Rand Carthon, my co-host.
11:35He was with Robert Sala in San Francisco when they drafted Fred Warner.
11:39And I mention that because Arvell and even Sonny Stiles
11:42could be a possibility at 4.
11:44And that does sound rich for Sonny, perhaps.
11:47But if you're getting Fred Warner, you know,
11:49I don't know if any pick is too rich outside of getting the quarterbacks there.
11:52So, then the question becomes, who's trading up
11:55and who are they trading up for?
11:56Or, Arvell or Sonny, are teams trading up for them?
11:59I don't think so.
11:59Reuben Bain, probably not.
12:01The offensive lineman, whoever that may be.
12:03Monroe Freeling, Spencer Fano, Hayden Proctor.
12:06I don't think so either.
12:07And certainly not.
12:08I would be shocked if it was quarterback 2 and Ty Simpson.
12:11Like, a team's coming to top 10 for that.
12:13So, I think it's going to be hard to find a partner.
12:16Unless, you know, on some planet that we're living on,
12:18Fernando Mendoza is at 6 and the Browns don't want it.
12:21But that's not going to happen.
12:22So, I feel like they're going to be stuck at 6.
12:25Like, if Jeremiah Love is there, maybe Washington moves up one spot.
12:30The Saints and the Chiefs got their running backs in free agency.
12:34Is it worth Miami's, all the ammunition they have to draft to move up from 11 when they
12:38have millions of needs, it feels like?
12:41So, I don't know where you're going to find that team to come up and come get a Jeremiah
12:45Love should he be there staring the Browns in the face at 6.
12:48Two questions, 60 seconds, all right?
12:51Because you cover the rest of the NFL as well, not just the draft.
12:53So, I'm going to ask you these.
12:54One, would you trade Myles Garrett?
12:57No.
12:57Okay.
12:58Second question, who would you have start week one right now?
13:01Your leading starter for week one, would it be?
13:03Well, that's a great answer already.
13:05Shador Sanders or Deshaun Watson?
13:08I keep hearing from folks in Cleveland that it's going to be Deshaun.
13:12I haven't seen Deshaun play in two and a half years.
13:13I would probably roll with your door for the first few games to see if he's gotten any
13:17better, and then maybe you default to Deshaun.
13:23And like I asked you guys last time, so we're out on Dylan Gabriel, he's just a placeholder
13:27now?
13:27Like, we're done with that?
13:28I don't want to be mean-spirited, but yeah.
13:32Fair enough.
13:33Question asked, question answered.
13:34Yeah, I don't know.
13:35I'm just trying not to be mean to him.
13:37So, that's where I'm at on that.
13:39Yes, go ahead, Tony.
13:40Right, did you make anything of the NFL owners' meetings yesterday and the discussion about
13:45the now-tabled proposal that the Browns had about trading a team being able to trade all
13:50these picks, all these draft picks in the future?
13:54I hadn't seen any of the headlines, but I know what you're talking about, and I'm assuming
13:59that you're...
14:00They pulled it.
14:01I mean, they pulled the proposal.
14:03It seemed like they couldn't find anybody who wanted to vote for it.
14:07I wonder...
14:08I don't know the reasons why.
14:09I like the idea.
14:10I think it makes things more interesting for fans and thinking longer term down the road
14:14if you're trying to build a roster, and I think that adds another layer to it.
14:17So, I did not know that it had been tabled, but I was for it just based on the information
14:21that I had for the reason I laid out.
14:23It makes things more interesting for us on the outside looking in.
14:27Ryan, thank you very much for the time.
14:29All the very best to you and yours.
14:30We'll talk to you here in a bit.
14:32Thank you, guys.
14:33Ryan Wilson, CBS Sports.
14:35NFL writer, NFL draft writer.
14:37On the Make It Right Call Call, Kyle Wright Hotline.
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