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00:00Safe can be stupid. Offensive linemen are safe. They feel safe, but we've seen it before.
00:06We drafted a guy top 10, and he, by and large, did not work out.
00:10Wasn't the worst offensive lineman you could have taken in that draft, you go back and look.
00:16But, didn't really work out for us, obviously.
00:18If we're talking Monroe Freeling at number 6 overall, I think we're just trying to,
00:22we're forcing a situation that I don't like.
00:25If we're talking Caden Proctor at number 6 overall,
00:28like, guys, you guys were beating me in the road
00:30or maybe kicking the tires on him at number 24 overall.
00:34And there is concerns there, and I've mentioned those concerns.
00:38So, safe doesn't always mean smart.
00:40It can mean absolutely stupid because you're too afraid to, quote-unquote, take a risk.
00:45I want to be talked into Jeremiah Love because he has been a, he's a running back.
00:52He is a guy you would be taking right after you've taken Quinchon Judkins.
00:58And he's just been a non-starter for the fan base, by and large, this entire process.
01:03So, I don't know how many more shows I'm going to get to do with you before the draft.
01:06So, you talk me into it.
01:08Because you love him.
01:09You seem to be a big fan.
01:11I think there's a lot to like about Jeremiah Love.
01:14And if he's there at 6, I want you to talk me into him.
01:17Tell me why.
01:17Well, first of all, you've got to not think of him as a running back, right?
01:19We think about dotting the I, running backs, guy getting the balls downhill.
01:22He's a guy, and all the comparisons Nick had, I go with Marshall Falk, a guy who can change the
01:28narrative of a game.
01:29Now, the thing that he said that I really like is the idea that the offense doesn't have to be
01:33great for him to sing.
01:35That's where the Browns are at.
01:36Munkin is a guy who thrives on getting the ball in space.
01:39He's kind of positionless in what he likes to do with his playmakers.
01:43Think about Zay Flowers.
01:44You think about guys in space that can do things with the ball with everybody not having to do it
01:49right.
01:50If you think about a system offense when Kevin was here, you have to have 11 spokes on the wheel
01:55doing it all right for it to be successful, and it really can.
01:58That's not how Munkin runs things.
02:00Munkin is going to find matchups for Fannin.
02:02He's going to find run matchups for Judkins, lightening that box.
02:07What a guy like Love does is you can simply have him on the field.
02:10He's a guy, and it sounds really simple, he's a guy who can score points with other guys screwing up,
02:16which is very rare in football that you can do that.
02:18There are very few guys that can change the game with everybody not doing it right, and that's what Jeremiah
02:23Love is.
02:24You can put him in the slot.
02:25You can put him outside.
02:26He can run a hitch.
02:27He can run a fade.
02:27You can find matchups for him, angle routes, Texas routes, arrow routes, out of the backfield.
02:33But more importantly, just getting in personnel groups and dictating what defense of personnel gets in the game and how
02:39you're going to attack them.
02:41And he's a guy, once again, I think the thought process is position value, he's a running back.
02:46I don't see him as a running back.
02:47I think Marshall Falk, split him out, put him in the slot, put him in the backfield.
02:51But he's a guy that can score points with minimal talent around him.
02:56And right now, that's where the Browns are on an offense.
02:59So he immediately makes that offense much better because of his ability to score without everybody having to help him.
03:062-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92, are you open to Jeremiah Love at number six?
03:12Because that's a whole can of worms for a lot of folks.
03:15I was getting texts during the interviews, during that interview with Nick Baumgartner,
03:18about you guys cannot seriously be talking about Jeremiah Love at six.
03:22I have not seriously had any conversation about Jeremiah Love at six because I just thought it was a non
03:26-starter for a lot of folks.
03:27There's a lot of talent there.
03:29He's a fantastic player.
03:30But you have Quinchon Judkins who avoided a – it was a serious injury, but he avoided any long-term
03:36structural damage with the injury.
03:38Dylan Sampson ran the ball well, but it was one of the things that I asked you.
03:41We're going to get a little bit nitty-gritty here.
03:43This is going to go in the weeds a little bit.
03:45I had asked you, why does Dylan Sampson seem to be doing better running the football than what Quinchon Judkins
03:52is?
03:53I asked you that during the season because a lot of people were asking, and I was like,
03:56you know what, everyone don't have a great answer.
03:57I better ask a coach.
03:58I asked you, you gave a great answer for it because everybody was focused on number 10.
04:04This might open up something for number 10.
04:06I think it takes a little bit of a pressure off of him as the lead running back.
04:12And honestly, maybe Quinchon Judkins is a number two in that backfield and not what Jeremiah Love is.
04:19And you're doing a hell of a sell job with me now because I brought this up with Nick real
04:23quick.
04:23I brought this up with Nick coach where, you know, I got, I'm very worried about the offensive line.
04:30I got new guys coming in and I hate how people just think you can just play musical chairs with
04:35offensive linemen.
04:36And it should, well, just leave George Warhop to work it out.
04:38It should work out like, no, he's still got to have players.
04:42But when you're questioning your offensive line, I'm a believer in they move better forward than they do backwards.
04:47So maybe you would be disposed to run in the football.
04:51Jeremiah Love is going to find them holes just like you're saying to me here.
04:54So you're not doing a bad sell job to me here.
04:56Well, you know, and think about this.
04:57Think about them both being on the field.
04:59The type, you don't go with that.
05:00Let's say you're in 11 personnel and Jeremiah Love is in the slot.
05:03And you want to run the ball with Junkins.
05:05Well, what you want to run is you want to run against a five or six man box.
05:08And you're not going to do that if you don't have a guy that when he touches it, he can
05:13score.
05:14All other guys can do it wrong.
05:15And the quarterback has to throw a simple route because they're reading that linebacker.
05:19So now instead of blocking seven, you're blocking five or six.
05:23You're never wrong stacking players.
05:25I've always felt that if you're filling holes, that's for the now.
05:30If you're stacking talent, now you're talking about, all right, if you think about like the Eagles with their defensive
05:35line.
05:36Eventually, obviously, there is a money situation.
05:38But stacking talent never.
05:40So the idea of having Junkins, he's outstanding.
05:43That means nothing to me.
05:45I have six guys, one offense, five defense, that when they're on the field, they're better than everybody else.
05:49In the film I've watched, they're better than everybody else on the field.
05:53Those are guys you win with.
05:54You don't win with scheme.
05:55You don't win with all.
05:56Those are important.
05:57In the NFL, they're all equal.
05:59Guys that can touch it and score are what the Browns need.
06:02And that's what wins football games and makes it simple for a coordinator.
06:06Get the ball in space to a playmaker.
06:08Now you have a good running game.
06:09Why?
06:10Because you've got a guy like Love who can make people widen.
06:13And now Junkins has more room to run.
06:15You get nickel personnel.
06:16Things like that.
06:16There's matchups you can create with a talent like Love if you think of him as a touch guy and
06:21not a running back.
06:22Why do I take, before I get to the phones here, 216-474-0092, why do I take Jeremiah Love
06:28over Caleb Downs?
06:29Because you like Caleb Downs.
06:31I'm not taking him.
06:32Oh, you would take Caleb Downs?
06:33So I love those two.
06:34Okay.
06:35But compared to Nick, I have Jeremiah Love as my number two.
06:38Caleb Downs is my number one.
06:39And the reason why, because when I turn on the film, he's the best guy on the film.
06:43And people say, well, you have, you don't need a safety in the position of value.
06:47I understand that.
06:48It's an outlier.
06:49Everybody, that people say, it's great.
06:52I base it on what I see on film.
06:54Caleb Downs is the best football player without question in this draft for me.
06:59Why?
06:59Because he changes, he creates short fields.
07:02He's a monster.
07:03He's really, really intelligent.
07:05But he's a playmaker.
07:07And if I'm the Browns defense, and they're like, well, he doesn't score points.
07:10Why?
07:10That's fair.
07:10But he's going to create short fields.
07:12He's going to make this defense even better.
07:14Now Delpit's down in the box all the time.
07:16And Delpit wants to lead the year after because he's a free agent.
07:18Now he can move down inside.
07:19You still have Hickman.
07:21You're never wrong stacking great, great talent.
07:23Delpit's going to be a free agent that soon.
07:25I think it's next year, yeah.
07:26It's pretty quick.
07:27I've got to go look that up.
07:28I've got papers all over my keyboard there.
07:29I didn't realize that.
07:30Go ahead.
07:30No, I think it's coming soon.
07:31But that's for me.
07:32The guy, when I'm picking inside the top six, I don't care what my team has.
07:38I don't care what the strength of my team is.
07:39I am taking in a guy who is the best player.
07:43That will never change for me.
07:45Need is one thing.
07:48Talent is another.
07:49And I think the Browns have to improve their talent on the offensive side of the ball.
07:52Chuck in Strongsville, you're first up on the fan.
07:55Hello, Chuck.
07:56Yo, hey, man.
07:57It's nasty out here.
07:58How you guys doing?
07:59Terrible.
08:00We're doing all right.
08:01Go ahead, Chuck.
08:03Opportunities.
08:04Browns top ten.
08:05We always miss the blue chip guy.
08:07Jeremiah Love is something that, I mean, it's a surefire pick.
08:11Thunder and lightning in the background.
08:12We don't know what's going to happen with Junkins, with the ankle.
08:15This guy's a touchdown machine.
08:17I mean, we'll be monsters in the run game.
08:20Detroit, that's the blueprint they had.
08:22It sounds good to me.
08:24I mean, what you guys think about that?
08:26It's hard for me to say no, absolutely not.
08:29I'm not going to.
08:30Because of what Coach Lance just said, I can use him in different places.
08:34By the way, Chuck, thank you for the call.
08:35Why don't you like using the term slot anymore?
08:38Because I think it ties you into a box, right?
08:41So a slot for me.
08:42So you can only be in the slot.
08:43You can't line him up past the numbers.
08:44You can't.
08:45Yeah, yeah.
08:45You can't put him in the slot.
08:46For me, the slot guy, the term I use is touch.
08:49Right?
08:49I'm going to create touches for this guy.
08:50And usually that's what a slot receiver is, right?
08:52The undersized guy who's good in a phone booth.
08:55You lose a game of tag in a phone booth kind of guy.
08:58So that's really kind of, for me, that's outdated.
09:00Because those slot guys can now go outside.
09:02Those touch guys can now go outside if that's a matchup you like.
09:06You know, what kind of defense do you get?
09:07Do you get nickel?
09:08Do they always put the linebacker on the back if it's man coverage?
09:12So not only does he dictate a matchup, he's also going to show the quarterback.
09:16Obviously, linebacker walks out with him, you're in man.
09:19Corners out there, you're in zone.
09:20So there's so many different things you can do with a touch guy.
09:23That's why I don't like the word slot because I think it puts him in a box.
09:25And these are guys who don't need, when I think about guys like that,
09:28guys who don't need everybody else to do it.
09:30They can do it on their own.
09:31And that's important in the NFL.
09:33Jeremiah Lovett, number six overall, is a big question.
09:39It's controversial because of the position he plays.
09:43However, what was it?
09:4627 catches, 280 yards out of the backfield, three touchdowns,
09:49I think it was.
09:51And we say out of the backfield, lined up in the slot.
09:54You know, I'm sorry.
09:55Lined up in different places.
09:58He is a weapon.
09:59He is a weapon.
10:02Offensive line feels safe.
10:03Offensive line isn't safe.
10:04You have a lot of inexperience on guys that might be there,
10:07or you have guys that, if you're thinking about tackle,
10:10are they going to be able to be tackles in this league right off the rip?
10:14Because a guy like, I could see a guy like Caden,
10:16people bring up Caden Proctor at six.
10:19I could see you starting the year, week one,
10:23they take the field for their first offensive series,
10:25and Caden Proctor ain't out there.
10:27Jeremiah Love's going to be out there.
10:30Carnell Tate's going to be out there.
10:32I mean, you need, at number six, I'd like to go offensive.
10:37Dude.
10:37You need immediate help.
10:39You need dudes.
10:39When you talk about the ability, there's no one in the draft
10:43who, when they touch the ball, can go score points.
10:46And I know that sounds really, really archaic and simple,
10:48but that's the reality of it.
10:50You don't have to have great pass protection.
10:52You don't have to have a great run game.
10:54Those things improve when you have a guy who can score.
10:58When you don't have to go 12 plays every single time to score points,
11:02that helps an offense.
11:03That helps the ability to get the quarterback in rhythm,
11:08get the run game going.
11:10All of a sudden, Jeremiah Love, we got, well, we got to go nickel.
11:13Well, if you go nickel, you take a backer out.
11:14Now we can run the ball.
11:15There's so many things besides just him that allows you to do things
11:19when you have talent.
11:20And Jeremiah Love is the most talented offensive player in this draft,
11:24and it's really not close for me.
11:26Let's go to Adam in Dayton.
11:27Adam, you're next up on the fan.
11:28Hello.
11:30Hey, how you doing?
11:31Doing well, Adam.
11:31Go ahead.
11:33I understand the Jeremiah Love interest,
11:37and I'm not necessarily anti that.
11:40But I do think, for me, it's go get Cardell Tate.
11:45You have to win on the outside.
11:46You've been so bad on the outside.
11:48And I feel like the Browns always try to get into this,
11:51we're smarter than everybody else in the room.
11:53If you take Jeremiah Love at sixth,
11:56after drafting two running backs last year who may seem to work out,
12:01and then he isn't Marshall Falk or something close to that,
12:07it's, again, you've just gone more into a position,
12:10and now you haven't stockpiled any talent at other positions
12:15where you're decimated with it.
12:17So that's kind of my take on it.
12:19I get the matchup.
12:21I get the go score.
12:22But we are in dire need of a wide receiver on the outside
12:26that can catch the ball.
12:28If Tate doesn't work out, it's easier to live with.
12:33Answer the man, Coach.
12:34Adam, let me ask you a question.
12:35Do you think Jeremiah Love is a better player,
12:38or do you think Cardell Tate's a better player?
12:41Not for what the Browns need, just as a football player.
12:45Who do you think is a better football player?
12:54Probably Love, but I can also see Tate being the better NFL player.
13:02All right, so if you think, my point being,
13:04if you think Tate is the better player, then absolutely go get him.
13:08And that's kind of the idea of only bad plan is no plan.
13:12For me, I don't think it's close.
13:13So when people, and I've had people, Adam say to me,
13:16well, I don't think Tate is nearly, or Lemon is nearly as good as Love,
13:20but the Browns need, and that key word is need a receiver.
13:23What they need for me is a guy who can score.
13:26They need a guy who can touch the ball in space and go get it.
13:28And for me, that's Jeremiah Love.
13:29Now, if you think Tate's going to be a better pro,
13:31then that's a pretty good answer because that tells me,
13:35obviously, he's going to improve.
13:36They have a good pedigree at Ohio State.
13:37All those things involved.
13:39I'm saying the same thing as you're saying.
13:40I'm just saying it with Jeremiah Love.
13:44Yeah, I think a lot of it in watching this team,
13:47especially over the past couple years, and we saw a glimpse of it
13:51when Amari Cooper, before he became 90 years old overnight
13:54and had Flacco in that run, was, you know, everything is condensed.
14:00We don't stretch the field at all.
14:02Now, you know, lining up Love in the slot,
14:06and I'm not discounting or disagreeing with anything you said about
14:11he's a guy on a matchup, a linebacker can get it and go,
14:15but I also think throwing, you know, 17 outside the numbers
14:20and now you can draw the safety over there
14:22and they're not loaded up on, you know, Judkins or Samson,
14:27whoever's running the ball.
14:29It's honestly even going to help out this offensive line
14:32that we have no idea how they're going to do
14:35because they were all just put together.
14:38Maybe take some pressure off them.
14:40I think, I'll say this, I like the Love pick
14:45more than taking one of these tackles at six.
14:49I'm starting to agree with that.
14:51Adam, thank you very much for the call.
14:52The pure tackles, I'm starting to agree with that thought.
14:56Like, I'd like some impact.
14:57I just think that either A, you're not going to start week one
15:00with these guys on the field,
15:02or B, you're going to start week one with these guys on the field
15:05because that's what you're supposed to do,
15:06and then we're going to put these guys behind the eight ball here
15:09to start off their careers.
15:10Because if neither one of these guys are ready,
15:12I'm sorry, I just can't take it six.
15:14I need immediate offensive impact.
15:16And impact can be on the offensive line,
15:18but I can't take it six just because you fill a need at left tackle.
15:22I can't do it.
15:22And part of the reason I think I'm getting agitated about this, coach,
15:25is because I think that people are slotting him to the Browns
15:28because they think the Browns are silly people,
15:30and the Browns are going to go out there
15:31and they're going to make that decision.
15:33Like, when we talk about some of the crazy moves
15:36that could be made in the top ten,
15:37like I heard McShay talk about it.
15:39I heard Ryan Wilson talk about it.
15:41I heard other people bring it up.
15:42It's always us, or it's always who else?
15:45It's always the Jets.
15:46Why?
15:46Because you think both of those franchises are going to do crazy things.
15:50Washington used to be that team.
15:52Now that they have Jaden Daniels,
15:53it's like, well, maybe they're going to calm down a little bit here.
15:56Like, this seems to be a little bit nuts with that.
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