00:00Back of the fan. So I caught hell for this, even though I said this back in the fall.
00:08And don't come after the messenger on this, guys.
00:10Lima, you know where I'm at on it.
00:12I want Shador Sanders to start the season for the Cleveland Browns.
00:16But when I got the owner of the football team leaving that door open for Deshaun Watson,
00:20I had people texting right after they hired Todd Munkin.
00:23He really likes Deshaun Watson.
00:25My hands are tied here, gentlemen.
00:27That's what it is.
00:28So I'm catching hell.
00:31I'm actually living in your world right now.
00:33I just checked the mentions.
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00:39Yeah, guys, I don't like telling you.
00:40I don't like saying it.
00:42Shador would start the season for me.
00:45But I think it's going to end up being Deshaun Watson.
00:47After the owner says that it's possible for Deshaun Watson, this is from Mary Kay Capital,
00:53will join us on Thursday at 8.20 at this time.
00:55So in two days, we're going to have to put her on the spot.
00:57But where Mary Kay wrote, Browns owner Jimmy Haslam believes it's possible for Deshaun Watson
01:01to go from, quote, a swing and a miss to a home run if he starts this year.
01:06Now, because I put Kevin Stefanski in the same sentence, that's why I'm getting beat up.
01:11I'm kind of living your life with the Shador fans right now.
01:14And I'm going, guys, I want Shador Sanders to start the season.
01:18If he goes out there and he sucks up the room, fine.
01:21Go with the veteran.
01:22If you want to have him go out there and see if he has anything left, go right on ahead
01:26and do it.
01:27I would like to do it opposite of what I think they're going to do.
01:29But when I said that Kevin Stefanski is the best friend he has, it's the status quo.
01:35Kevin would have just went with whatever.
01:37Do you believe differently?
01:39Does anything show you that he would take control of the football team over six years?
01:42I just know that when Shador Sanders fans hear you say that Kevin Stefanski, of all coaches,
01:51was his best friend, they will come after you with everything they got.
01:55I don't care.
01:55Well, if they don't want to have any context to it, that's their fault.
01:59And there's no place for context on the internet.
02:01So, fine.
02:02Fire away.
02:02I don't care.
02:03But you understand what I'm saying here.
02:05You understand it, is that he was much closer to keeping the status quo than a brand new head coach
02:11and then throw it on even further.
02:13Because if it were Nate Sheilhaus or Grant Yudinski, I'd go, hey.
02:16I forgot about those guys.
02:17One's 35.
02:18I'll never forget them.
02:19One's 35.
02:20Especially Yudinski.
02:21One's 35.
02:22One's 30.
02:22You could sit there and go, hey, we got plenty of time here.
02:25Let's let you grow into the role here.
02:27Shador is going to start and we're going to move on.
02:28No.
02:29You picked a first-time head coach who's 60 years old.
02:32He has seen it all.
02:33He's been here before.
02:33He has seen your dysfunction.
02:35And he's going to do what he can to fix that.
02:37And he's going to make the best decision he can for his players.
02:40And I know that there's thousands of guys driving out there going, Ken, damn it.
02:45That's the way it should be.
02:46You shouldn't be fighting it.
02:47You got me.
02:49You got me.
02:51I don't want to start Deshaun Watson for a lot of reasons that don't include who's the best quarterback.
02:59Honestly, as of right now, my reasoning is 30,000 feet.
03:02I don't answer to the guys in the locker room.
03:04I know when we've had people call in, we've had interview guests, and they have said, hey, well, I've seen
03:11Deshaun Watson play in an elite level.
03:13I'm like, man, that is so long ago.
03:14I've seen Shador Sanders show some flashes as recently as last year.
03:19I saw Joe Montana play at an elite level.
03:21You want to call Joe Montana up?
03:23Might be better than what our room is right now by the time it's all said and done.
03:27I'm sorry to take that away.
03:28So I'm in a tough spot because I would start Shador Sanders for a multitude of reasons.
03:32Now, are you putting him through a competition, or are you just saying you're the starter?
03:36Well, yeah.
03:36But I don't think that this is to quote-unquote push Shador.
03:39I think naturally Shador should be pushed.
03:42And if he's not, then we're getting our answer already.
03:45But I think naturally he's going to be pushed.
03:47So if he goes out there and he wins it, I'm going to feel better about Shador Sanders.
03:51I'll grant you that.
03:52If they announced Shador were to be the starting quarterback, I would feel better about Shador.
03:58But if it ends up being Deshaun Watson, I'm going to go, well, these are going to be some
04:02really rough conversations.
04:03We'll see how well he does, and we'll see where it goes.
04:07Because Todd Munkin's obviously going to make the decision that he feels is the most responsible
04:12one for the other 52 players.
04:14And while I might want to sit here and pout and moan that I want Shador to play, and I
04:18do,
04:20I ain't in the locker room every day.
04:21In fact, I avoid the locker room.
04:23I don't like being in there.
04:24And I'm going to have to go with what the head coach says.
04:27Hey, my future, it's his.
04:28So he's got to step off on the right foot here.
04:30That's what you got.
04:32So you can be as mad as you want.
04:34I can be as mad as I want.
04:35Still, he's going to make the best decision.
04:37And if it's Deshaun Watson, then I'm going to hope that he is amazing.
04:41Because he's either, for this season to count anything, for you with Deshaun Watson,
04:47he has to be back to form, this team has to rise up and overcome expectations,
04:54or he has to be complete garbage.
04:56There's no third direction.
04:57Like, I give you, if you get seven wins with Shador, which isn't out of the realm of possibility,
05:02if you got seven wins, the argument we had yesterday, or the conversation,
05:05you didn't really argue with me, I think you probably let me hang myself,
05:08but when I said seven wins with Shador, we can have a conversation now.
05:12Okay, he's won seven games.
05:15You're still not going to have a lot around him.
05:17I don't want to use QB wins as an argument.
05:19Let's see how the stats go.
05:20But you can have a conversation.
05:22If Deshaun Watson wins eight or nine games, you're just kind of stuck in the middle.
05:27And who wants to sign him to an extension?
05:30Who wants to sign Deshaun Watson to an extension?
05:32Nobody?
05:33No.
05:33So you're kind of stuck.
05:34So he has to be really good or really bad.
05:37He would quite literally have to teleport himself back to 2019, the way he plays.
05:42And we haven't seen any evidence of even half that player.
05:45Exactly.
05:46And, you know, the other hard part about this is, too, you know, this isn't NBA
05:51when you can see guys working out, like Jason Tatum coming off his torn Achilles.
05:56You're seeing him work out and do things.
05:57When you see a quarterback just run around and throw, that doesn't mean anything.
06:02I saw Quinn Ewers out of high school look like he had the best.
06:05He was going to be the best quarterback in NFL history warming up.
06:09You kind of learn that that's kind of insane.
06:11You know, there literally is nothing from watching Deshaun Watson's IG videos
06:17that correlate to actual NFL on the field with 11 guys on defense
06:22and a defensive coordinator and a stadium full of people that hate you.
06:26And the problem with Deshaun is that stadium could be Brown Stadium.
06:29So that's hard to fathom.
06:31And I think, and we have not got any calls.
06:34Like, when we used to talk to Deshaun Watson, I've noticed this.
06:37So we got loaded up earlier in the show.
06:382-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
06:40Is it just winning with you?
06:41Are you open-minded to Deshaun Watson starting the season,
06:44or is that a non-starter for you?
06:46Because when – I've heard the calls already today.
06:50We were loaded up earlier about it.
06:52And I imagine it might be the same.
06:53But, you know, for a lot of folks, it's not the same type of discussions
06:56we were having four years ago.
06:58There were some very awkward conversations that we had to have.
07:03Well, regardless, those have been settled.
07:07And even the folks who want to leave it to just football, which is fine.
07:11You know, nobody was found guilty of a crime.
07:14These were settlements.
07:16Everybody has a right to work in this country and to take advantage
07:19of what makes them successful.
07:21Okay?
07:22Even if it's just football, I think a lot of fans see him as something they regret.
07:31Something that represents a lost era of Browns football.
07:35Why are we completely arguing every – why don't people even not want to hear it?
07:39Why are we constantly having this argument about Myles Garrett
07:42and whether or not he should be traded?
07:43Oh, because the $230 million quarterback didn't work out.
07:46That's why.
07:47Why are we having – why are we sad, so sad about Joe Bultonio?
07:52Because he's not going to be a Hall of Famer, even though he's a great Cleveland Brown.
07:54And even though, boy, his stats would show a lot of the other ones,
07:57the accolades would show that maybe he would be a considered Hall of Famer.
08:00Because he didn't go to the playoffs because he gave $230 million to the wrong quarterback.
08:03He gave up three first-round picks for the wrong quarterback.
08:07And the quarterback that he replaced wasn't very great.
08:10It'd be better than what we're dealing with now.
08:13And it would be better than what we dealt with with Deshaun Watson.
08:17And so what he represents is a lot of hurt feelings and sadness for a lot of Browns fans.
08:24With Shador, I can at least give you the argument of either he's the future
08:26or somebody playing college is the future.
08:29And that he could get better.
08:30That he has a chance now if you retool around him.
08:32That's what I mean by that.
08:33That he could get better.
08:34Nobody sees Deshaun Watson really getting –
08:37he's certainly not going to be better than he was at his peak.
08:39Now the question is, can he even throw the football?
08:42Like, he couldn't even do that the last time we saw him.
08:44Sorry, if you're watching on YouTube Live, I am freezing.
08:47So I got my hoodie up over me.
08:49216-474-0092.
08:51Do you just – because you're saying you would start the season with Shador.
08:53Yeah, I did say I'd like to see him earn it.
08:55I don't think he was nearly good enough last year to just give him a starting quarterback job in the
09:00NFL.
09:00Okay.
09:01I do think some of that has to be earned.
09:03But now the funny thing is I'm looking around, and they didn't do anything.
09:06Like, we had talked about – well, if they brought in Anthony Richardson, I thought that would be really good
09:10for Shador.
09:11But at least make him earn it.
09:13When it's Dylan Gabriel and Deshaun Watson, I don't know.
09:17It's like, do I even want to see a real competition?
09:21And then how would that look?
09:23Look, are we going to get in arguments every day about Deshaun Watson versus Shador in a competition, knowing that
09:29almost all of us –
09:31I can't speak for everybody.
09:32I know people are calling it out that not everybody is in the same boat.
09:35But most – if we ran a poll, who would you want to win that quarterback competition?
09:39Shador would be in the 90s.
09:41Yeah.
09:41It would just have to be.
09:42And that's people that – even people that didn't think he was good last year would still say Shador.
09:47It would either be Shador wins it going away, or you'd have a lot of people saying, I just want
09:51somebody else other than any of these guys.
09:53That's what you would get.
09:54You would not get Deshaun Watson.
09:55Right.
09:55You would not get him.
09:56He would never come up.
09:57So, I would have to say this, and I don't want to narrow cast everybody because we're talking to a
10:02lot of Browns fans, not just Shador fans.
10:04At that point, I say, well, who the hell do we blame?
10:07Who the hell do we blame here now?
10:08Because you had Kevin.
10:10I'd say you ran him out of town, but eight wins in two years ran him out of town.
10:14Let's not go crazy here.
10:15But you had Kevin.
10:16You used him.
10:17You said that he sabotaged him.
10:19Was a good coach.
10:20Okay?
10:20Wasn't a good coach.
10:21Wasn't a good head coach for the Browns.
10:22Maybe sabotaged him.
10:23I don't think so.
10:24But maybe because of the ineptitude or not being able to conduct the football team organizationally the way you want,
10:30not being able to grab them, maybe that was sabotage.
10:33Fair?
10:33And also, by the way you ran camp, not very good.
10:36All right?
10:37Sabotage is a strong word.
10:38Maybe you just didn't use any common sense.
10:40So, he's gone.
10:41You bring in Todd Munkin.
10:42Now you're going to put him as a backup again.
10:44Why do we trust Todd Munkin so much?
10:45We're playing a guy that the fans don't even want to see.
10:48Why do we trust him so much?
10:49So, now it's the Browns that put the boots to Shador.
10:52Is that it?
10:53Like, I want Shador to start the season.
10:56Because to me, the only place Deshaun Watson can go is negative places.
11:02And at least one guy, I can make an argument for the positivity.
11:08Or, again, I can just move on to Jaden Baiava.
11:12I can just move on to any of those other guys that are playing college football now.
11:16And I know that we said that 2026 was going to be great.
11:20Maybe 2027 is going to suck too.
11:22I don't know.
11:23But I can move on to these other guys.
11:25Because when it comes to Deshaun, you win nine games.
11:28You're on the cusp of the playoffs.
11:30Great.
11:31Say you don't make it.
11:31Now what do I do with the guy?
11:33Because before it was, I mean, Daryl is counting down the days to the post-June 1st designation to cut
11:38him.
11:38He said it a million times yesterday.
11:40Now what do I do with the guy?
11:41Because maybe I'm stuck if I win nine games.
11:43Do I continue this?
11:44Do I really trust him to go further?
11:46Does he even want to be here?
11:48And even if you're talking to like, how could you figure out a trade of some sort down there?
11:53I didn't be a free agent.
11:54But it's like, who would even want him?
11:56I know we talk ourselves into craziness when it comes to quarterbacks and the desperation around the league.
12:01But how many teams are willing to bring Deshaun Watson and the baggage in?
12:062-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
12:08Let me get to the phones real quick.
12:10Jeff in Homestead Falls.
12:11Hello.
12:12Hey, thanks.
12:13Good morning, gentlemen.
12:15I think the reality as a Browns fan and as a Browns team, both quarterbacks are going to play at
12:21some point this year.
12:23So who would you rather start with first and move to to end the season?
12:29To me, that makes more sense to start with the Deshaun Watson, see what you got with him, and then
12:34at some point move to Shadur at the end.
12:36But if you start Shadur first and he doesn't do well, you got no opportunity for advancement later.
12:44If I started, well, if I don't do well, I think you're right about that, but I still think that
12:50this is the only year for either one, if that's the case anyway.
12:54You get what I'm pointing out?
12:55Fair point.
12:56So if Deshaun starts the year fine, and then say he sucks up the room and say Shadur goes out
13:02there, if Shadur shows any modicum of success, we're kind of right back in the same spot about what to
13:08do with this guy.
13:09Now, if you were to have only five wins going into next year, I think a lot of people would
13:13just rinse their hands on all this stuff and go, yeah, just go get me one of the college quarterbacks
13:16and let's move on from this.
13:17And I think that would be fair.
13:19But what I'm looking at is that why did you even draft the guy in the first place?
13:22I know he was a fifth-run guy, but you had this dog and pony show.
13:25And, Jeff, now you're making me think of other things, Jeff.
13:27Thank you very much for the call.
13:28You had this dog and pony show of a quarterback, whatever that was last year.
13:33You said it was going to be a redshirt season, then he ends up playing the final seven games of
13:38the year, for crying out loud.
13:39I mean, bulk of the series when you think about it.
13:41He plays the final seven games of the year.
13:43Now we're going to go right back to making him the backup behind a guy that people don't really want
13:47to see.
13:50When they handle this right, it'll be the first time.
13:54But I can't make Shadur Sanders a better quarterback.
13:58If Deshaun Watson ends up winning the job because he's better in OTAs, then, damn it, it's something I have
14:04to accept.
14:05Because I want to trust Todd Munkin.
14:07And I think Todd Munkin is as no-nonsense as it's going to get.
14:10And so, whether I like it or not, and I probably won't, I will accept it.
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