00:00Mary Kay Cabot was on with Baskin and Phelps today, and she spoke about the latest around Dylan Gabriel.
00:04Here we go.
00:05They are saying that Dylan has an opportunity to come in and also compete for the starting job.
00:10And I think they kind of probably don't love the fact that maybe, you know, we have kind of written
00:15Dylan off, basically.
00:17So they're trying to say, no, that's premature.
00:20He's still on the roster.
00:21I think that it's not customary for a player to be coming in in the offseason unless you are coming
00:27off of an injury.
00:28And you need to be here for treatment and rehab and those kinds of things.
00:33There's nothing wrong with Dylan not being here.
00:35But I do think that there was a bit of contrast between, you know, Munkin not meeting Dylan Gabriel yet
00:41and Shador spending a bunch of time this offseason in Cleveland getting to know Todd, buying him a horse's head
00:48for his birthday.
00:50I do buy into that.
00:52And by the way, I'll put it on the front of it.
00:53I think, like, the five minutes we spend talking about Dylan Gabriel is the most I hope to spend talking
00:58about Dylan Gabriel in the next three months.
01:00Like, I just I hope he's so far removed from this quarterback competition that he's like he's not being an
01:06afterthought is what I want Dylan Gabriel to be,
01:08which is what he's been essentially since he got benched or since he lost his job last year.
01:13I'm hoping he ends up in Atlanta or somewhere else.
01:17That's the ideal ideal scenario.
01:19He's just off the team and we can just kind of forget about him.
01:21Why is it that there's an assistance that we treat Dylan Gabriel the same way we're treating Shador Sanders and
01:26Deshaun Watson?
01:27Because he's a he's a third round pick.
01:29Is there something redeemable about in your eye?
01:32There's no way there's something redeemable.
01:34You're the guy that I was right there with you, but you're the guy in in training camp last year.
01:39Why are you asking me this question?
01:41If you know my answer.
01:43Well, sometimes you got to ask the questions in order to get to the answer in my own head.
01:47OK, in order to figure it out for myself.
01:48The answer you're looking for is no.
01:51All right.
01:52No.
01:53Asked and answered, I guess.
01:54Like, no, I although sarcastically and I stress sarcastically, I have joked I'd rather watch Dylan Gabriel play quarterback for
02:05the Browns than Deshaun Watson.
02:07Well, and so that is part of this equation because you're not the only person that has said that.
02:10I got in a fight, whatever it was, with Nick Padone yesterday because Nick was going down that same thing
02:14that you're saying right now.
02:15He was doing the anybody but Deshaun category, and it's like, I don't think you guys really believe it when
02:20you say anybody but Deshaun because anybody but Deshaun includes Dylan Gabriel.
02:25If I end up saying Dylan Gabriel, then I clearly mean it because, well, you know.
02:31But no, I don't think, listen, I just, I don't think starting quarterback is for Dylan Gabriel.
02:36I think he can be a quality backup if you have to start him in a pinch or something like
02:41that.
02:42But if you have to start him for an extended time, you're just asking for what you're about to get.
02:48He's a good kid.
02:49I, you know, I have nothing bad to say about him personally.
02:54I have, you know, people thought I had like some axe to grind against him or whatever.
02:58No, I just, I'm basing it off what I saw of my own four eyes in training camp and the
03:02offseason program, and that is they were treating this guy like he was a first-round pick by giving him
03:07these first-team reps and preparing him to be a starter this year, and I just couldn't take it seriously.
03:12Yeah, I couldn't either.
03:13That was part of the problem, and the insistence that he was being so much better than Trador Sanders, as
03:18you're watching, as I'm watching, we're at training camp, and watching none of this go well was one of the
03:23more maddening exercises of my life.
03:24I mean, there were drills where, like, he was struggling to keep complete passes on air.
03:29I know, I know, and then we were telling everybody what was going on, and again, Nick and I were
03:32at training camp watching him, and I'll never forget it.
03:35We were talking to Bernie Kosar, and I was interrupted in the interview with Bernie because so many balls just
03:39kept hitting the ground, and it was like, I can't believe how many incomplete passes he's having against air in
03:45this session, and I wanted to not seem like the biggest hater in the building, but the reality was we
03:51could only scream it so loud that he looked awful.
03:54And I remember we had my buddy Sean Salisbury on at one point, and Sean knows quarterbacks, and Sean taught
04:01me more about football than anybody in life, okay?
04:04And so I really trust what Sean has to say, and the only thing Sean could come up with in
04:08regards to Dylan Gabriel was that maybe he's a gamer.
04:10And I remember thinking about that, and I really took that to heart, that idea of, like, maybe he's just
04:14a gamer.
04:15Maybe he's one of these guys that sucks it up in practice, but the lights go on, and then it's
04:19just a different story.
04:20Because Dylan Gabriel in college could play, Daryl.
04:23Yeah.
04:23That's the thing.
04:24He could play.
04:25I don't trust—
04:26But you know what?
04:26You know how many quarterbacks that could play in college that just couldn't do it in the NFL?
04:30Well, and I don't trust short quarterbacks is a big thing that I have.
04:33I like bigger quarterbacks.
04:34There are Heisman Trophy winners that don't make it.
04:36Of course.
04:36Of course there are.
04:37Like, it is part of it.
04:38But, like, and so—but if—like, there was a—there was a—there was a segment of people that were holding on to
04:43that,
04:43and by the time you get to that being how you rationalize that, you're so far up a creek, you
04:48don't stand a chance.
04:49Like, when you're rationalizing the idea of what we're seeing in practice isn't real because maybe he's a gamer,
04:54you've already lost the cause.
04:56You're in a race you're never going to win, if that's your argument,
05:00because all you're trying to do is justify why it's not all adding up.
05:04Yeah.
05:04And, I mean, I feel badly for Dylan in many ways.
05:08I do wish he was at least here trying to put in some of the same work that Shador is
05:12putting in,
05:13but I'm sure he sees that as a wasted effort.
05:15I'm sure he sees that as a lost cause.
05:17He'd rather work out with his own trainers in Hawaii with his own people,
05:20and then whatever future team he goes to, then he can go in and try to impress them from there.
05:24Yeah, 100%.
05:25I mean, it is what it is.
05:26Yeah.
05:27Right now, I think Shador knows he has to impress Todd Munkin.
05:30He has to impress the front office.
05:31He has to impress ownership based on what happened last year, right?
05:35Not only going through the draft process, but also when he was buried fourth on the depth chart
05:41and to show everyone that he's taking this thing seriously.
05:44And I'm not saying he wasn't taking it seriously last year,
05:47but he wasn't put in a position to take it seriously last year either, right?
05:51He was so down on the depth.
05:55I mean, they didn't even give him the courtesy of throwing to wide receivers during training camp,
06:00during the individual drills, because they ran out of those guys, okay?
06:03He had to throw to the ball boys on air and coaches on air for his reps during those sessions.
06:12So, like, I like the fact that he's been in the building a lot,
06:16that he's trying to demonstrate his commitment to this, unfortunately,
06:22because the rules prohibit it.
06:24You know, they can't do a lot of football with him right now.
06:26Todd Munkin can't hand him a playbook, can't talk football with him, okay?
06:31You're just basically allowed to go in and say hi.
06:33He can go to the weight room and work out on his own or go to the indoor and work
06:36out on his own.
06:37Like, there's no coordination with the team allowed whatsoever and all that.
06:40And I love that he's doing everything that he is.
06:44And the same thing with Deshaun.
06:45Like, it's never an effort thing with Deshaun.
06:47It's never, you know, putting in the work thing with Deshaun.
06:52Not by any stretch of the imagination.
06:53It's how much gas is left in that tank after that car has been smashed the bits over the last
07:00couple of years.
07:01And so, you know, when it comes to Gabriel, I just, you know, again, I think he is a backup.
07:09And the only reason I think that the Browns are talking about him being in the competition, if you will,
07:14right,
07:14is they're just trying to be fair to this kid.
07:16You know, they're just being nice.
07:18Yeah.
07:19They're just trying to be nice about it.
07:21But let's be honest about it.
07:22This ultimately, right now as we talk, it's a two-man competition between Deshaun Watson and Shador Sanders.
07:29And you flip a coin as to who's going to be QB1 when this whole offseason program stuff gets going.
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