00:00All right, let's go out to the Make It Right Call, Kyle Wright hotline.
00:03Albert Breer, the MMQB.com, joining us here on The Fan.
00:05Hello, Albert, how are you doing today?
00:06Hey, guys, how are we doing?
00:08We're good.
00:08We're trying to recap everything we've seen from the owners meeting,
00:11and much to, I guess, not many people's surprise, certainly not yours,
00:16it felt like Jimmy Haslam and then Andrew Barry both went out of their way
00:20to speak in a way about Deshaun Watson.
00:23That definitely made it seem like this is a real serious competition, Albert.
00:27Yeah, and I don't know why it wouldn't be.
00:30Again, I just look at the totality of this, and I don't know why you would be
00:38so sure of any of them, where there wouldn't be a real competition.
00:41And so, look, I think there's a reason to want to get a look at Shadour Sanders.
00:47There's a reason to want to get a look at Deshaun Watson.
00:50There's a reason to keep your options open when you're going into the draft.
00:55Do you want to take one in the second or third round?
00:58Do you want to take a flyer on someone later?
01:00Like, all those things are to be considered, because I don't know.
01:05I just don't, you know, I don't think there's a great chance that the quarterback of the future
01:10is on the roster right now.
01:12But you want to give everybody who's on the roster a shot to prove that wrong, you know?
01:17And so, you know, I think the best thing for the Browns right now is to open up the competition.
01:23And, you know, it helps the new coach, too, in showing that, like, hey, you know, if we're
01:28going to have, you know, an open, fair competition at the most important place in the field, then,
01:34you know, like everybody else is going to have to compete for their spot as well.
01:37Albert, we also got news today that the Browns will host Ty Simpson on a top 30 draft visit
01:45before the NFL draft.
01:46You mentioned that that could maybe be the outlier if, you know, that could shake up this
01:51quarterback competition between Watson and Sanders.
01:54How much interest do you think is really there?
01:56Obviously, the pre-existing relationship with Todd and Simpson.
01:59But how into Ty Simpson are the Cleveland Browns, at least as we sit here today?
02:04Yeah, you know, I think it's something, again, like you have to investigate all this stuff
02:09if he's going to have an answer at the quarterback position long term, or there's a good chance
02:14that you don't have that answer.
02:15So, yeah, I mean, they have to take a look at him.
02:18And, you know, I think it's, you know, pretty obvious at this point Fernando Mendoza isn't
02:23going to be available to him.
02:25So, you know, like I still, I still think most NFL people see Ty Simpson as a second
02:32or a third round pick and probably not somebody who can elevate to become a great quarterback
02:37in the NFL.
02:37But, you know, I think the flip side of that is that, you know, like there's upside that
02:43maybe he could be Brock Purdy.
02:44And do you feel comfortable taking Brock Purdy in the first round if that's where the upside
02:49is?
02:49Brock's a really good quarterback, you know, and he's got a really good team around him.
02:53But, you know, that's the sort of prospect you're looking at.
02:55So, do I think that, do I think that this is, you know, an indication that they would
03:03consider him, you know, at 24 or in the second round?
03:06Sure.
03:07Because they have to consider all their options.
03:09I don't think it's a likelihood that Ty Simpson goes in the first round.
03:12But, you know, again, he can certainly win people over over the next few weeks.
03:17And, you know, the tape is good.
03:19Everything you hear on him is like you just see him doing more NFL.
03:23All things on tape that you see from Fernando Mendoza, which isn't Mendoza's fault.
03:27It's just a little bit easier of a translation, you know, with the acknowledgement that he
03:33probably doesn't have the upside that Mendoza does.
03:35Oh, so you say you don't think he's going to go in the first round.
03:38Why do you think that is?
03:41Well, I mean, I just, I mean, you guys remember the way I talked about Shadour last year, right?
03:45Yeah, yeah.
03:46That's why I'm very interested in your thoughts here.
03:49I just said it over and over and over again and over and over and over again that I just
03:55had not seen, you know, I had not talked to very many people at all who thought Shadour
04:01was a first round.
04:02It didn't mean he wasn't going to be because all it takes is one team.
04:05I sort of feel the same way with Ty now, and I've got a lot more calls to make, but,
04:08you
04:10know, the teams I've talked to, you know, see him as a, you know, a good college quarterback,
04:17second or third round pick with a lot of things that you got to wrap your head around, you
04:20know.
04:21He's well under the threshold of 25 college starts, which a lot of teams use as a golden
04:25rule.
04:26He's six feet even, you know.
04:29He doesn't have a huge arm.
04:30He's got a good arm.
04:30He doesn't have a huge arm.
04:32He's not a super athlete, you know, and, you know, so I think he's one of these guys
04:37where you look at him, and I think this is similar to Shadour.
04:40With Shadour, it was like, what's his superpower?
04:43I don't know that Ty Simpson has a superpower either, which I think is why most people look
04:48at him as a, you know, as a second or third round prospect rather than a first round.
04:55In fact, I'd say, like, if you look at the two of them, I think they're, you know, the
04:59way people talk about, talked about Shadour coming out last year and the way people talk
05:02about Ty Simpson, it probably isn't that far off, you know, one from the other.
05:06In a similar realm to that same question, Albert, you mentioned that the fact that the
05:11Browns could decide to draft a QB a little bit later on, maybe the Carson Becks of the
05:16world, Drew Allers.
05:17How do you see that shaking out in the draft once it feels like it probably goes for Nando
05:23Mendoza, Ty Simpson, but then how's the rest of that all shake out?
05:27You know what, I really like the idea of it because I like, and I always think it's
05:33a good investment to swing if you've got, you know, disposable picks and you've got like
05:39a little bit of, you feel like some currency there and somebody falls and you're in the
05:44fourth or fifth round and okay, like now we're in the range where, you know, like the numbers
05:49show you like the guy you draft might not be on your team in two years, you know?
05:53So I don't, I never mind taking a swing at quarterback in those situations, even if
05:57you have one, you know, Ron Wolf used to do it in green Bay over and over and over again,
06:02even when he had Brett Favre.
06:04You know, so like, do you, do you roll the dice with the Arkansas kid, Talon Green, do
06:09you roll the dice with Drew Aller and everything that, you know, and, and, and look at everything
06:13that happened with him at Penn state and say, you know, there's still something to work
06:16with there.
06:17I, you know, I, I think those sorts of things, the beauty about the beauty of, of doing that
06:21to me is you're taking a swing and it doesn't take you off the market from taking one the
06:28next year.
06:28Like if you take one at six or 24, chances are, you're not taking another quarterback
06:33next year.
06:33Right.
06:34Or the, you have to that take one in the third or the fourth or fifth round.
06:38You can very easily just turn around and take another one the next year.
06:41So in that way, it's almost a free shot where you're not taking yourself off the market to
06:46try to get an answer long-term, but you know, maybe you are, you know, getting a chance to
06:50look at a guy with some upside.
06:52Albert Breer joining us here on the make a right call call right hotline.
06:55So last week they did the miles Garrett restructure and it set up the door to be open for them
07:00to
07:00potentially trade them.
07:01We're expecting June 2nd and beyond.
07:03If that happens somewhere around that, that framework.
07:05And this is something you've been on for, I mean, a year plus now, it feels like that idea
07:09that, uh, it might be the best interest to trade miles Garrett.
07:12If you're the Browns, what did you make of them basically coming out and being about as
07:16open as possible in the idea that they've now made it available that he could be traded,
07:20but Andrew Barry still has this insistence that he won't be traded.
07:24I, I have a hard time seeing them do it.
07:27I think I've been on record.
07:29I think they should.
07:30Um, and that, that is, there's no affront to miles Garrett, who is going to be a first
07:36out hall famer in my opinion.
07:38Um, you know, it's just, I, I look at timelines here and I look at like where he is.
07:44And so, you know, like, let's say that the Browns knock it out of the park again this
07:49year in the draft.
07:50And so now you've got, um, you got, you got, um, Carson Swessinger and Mason Graham and
07:56Harold Fannin and Quinn Sean Judkins, um, from this year and then next, and then, and
08:01then, and then, uh, or from last year, then this year you get, you know, four or five guys
08:05who are good contributors.
08:06And then next year you get the quarterback, right?
08:08So like that would like line up, like, man, it's all starting to come together now.
08:13And you'd be talking about, okay, 27, like, you know, you've got a shot to maybe contend
08:17with a young quarterback, like be a, be a relevant team.
08:19And then 28th, the breakthrough, right?
08:22At that point, Myles Garrett is going to be 32 turning 33 at the end of that year.
08:29So do the timelines match up?
08:31And that's like my question, you know, or would you be better off getting two or three
08:35first round picks for him and really juicing your rebuild?
08:38You know, um, you know, I know it'd be hard to, to, to walk away from Myles Garrett.
08:43I get that, um, it's always hard to trade a player that magnitude away.
08:48Um, but the way I look at it, you know, you know, it could be for the Browns sort of
08:53what,
08:54I mean, if you want to look back at it, what the Seahawks trading Russell Wilson was, um,
08:59you know, a lot of the basis of the Seahawks Super Bowl team this year was built in the
09:03back of that trade.
09:04If they decide to entertain a trade for Myles Garrett, what that package could look like?
09:10Cause we saw what, uh, Max Crosby almost went for.
09:14What do you think a return would look like for Myles?
09:16If the Browns decided they wanted to entertain that?
09:18I think the baseline, I, I, I wouldn't move him for less than two ones.
09:22That would be my baseline.
09:23I think some of that, like, and you know, can be a little bit of a moving target because
09:28you know, that first round or, you know, where is it?
09:31And if it's not this year, you know, if we're talking about 2027 first round or how do you
09:36value that?
09:37Um, you know, so I think like two ones would be like my baseline and I would, you know,
09:43try to get more.
09:44And I think, you know, just, I mean, Max is a great, great player, but he's not Myles Garrett,
09:49you know?
09:49And so, you know, I, I think there'd be something out there, um, you know, in the multiple first
09:56round picks plus range for them.
09:58And, um, and again, like it's not, but the thing about it to me that makes it so interesting
10:03is like, you know, he's 30, so this isn't going to be forever.
10:07You know what I mean?
10:08Like his value, the chance to do this is starting to run a little thin, you know?
10:14So I think you still have the opportunity to do it, but the clock's definitely tick,
10:18ticking on getting that sort of value for him.
10:20Albert, the Browns had withdrawn their rules change proposal that would have allowed them
10:23to trade draft picks up to five years in advance rather than the current three.
10:27Did it just never have any legs or was it just about the Browns?
10:31What was the deal there?
10:32They knew, I think they knew that it wasn't going to get through this year.
10:36I think the idea was just to start the discussion, which, um, I think they accomplished that and,
10:42you know, giving some teams, giving the teams a chance to kind of look at it and, and, and,
10:48and maybe revisit it next year, the year after.
10:51So I think they knew what the thing was going to have, they had very little chance of going
10:56through this year.
10:57Um, but my expectation is you're probably going to hear about it again.
11:01Albert, as we're getting ready for the NFL draft and we're talking about realistic things
11:05that can go down for the Browns at the sixth pick, it feels like everybody that we're talking
11:09to from the draft world is telling us that there's not really a left tackle worth trading
11:14at six.
11:14There's not really a receiver worth taking at six.
11:17Maybe everybody would feel like a reach in that spot.
11:20Do you see a world where there would be a player that could be available that teams would want
11:25to trade up for?
11:26So the Browns could fall back a few spots.
11:31That's tough.
11:32I think, yeah, I, I, I just, I don't see it right now.
11:37Um, because once Mendoza's off the board and even he's not this, but you just don't have
11:43like the prototype, you know, like you've got like a lot of very good players that maybe
11:47aren't, um, aren't perfect prospects at the top.
11:52You know, you've got, um, you know, David Bailey, who, you know, I think is seen as like
11:57a Nick Benito type of rusher.
11:59He's not, he's a really good player.
12:00He's not miles Garrett.
12:01You know, you have Arville Reese who you're going to be projecting.
12:04How do you use him off the ball on the ball?
12:06What's the plan for him?
12:06You have to have a plan for him.
12:08Sonny styles is an off ball linebacker, non-premium position.
12:11And Caleb downs, non non-premium position at safety, Jeremiah love non-premium position
12:17and running back, you know, so I just, I don't know what is going to create, um, what's
12:25going to create the market for, for, for a pick in the top 10, um, generally takes runs
12:29with these positions.
12:30And, and maybe I think that that could happen a little later in the top 10 when some of
12:35the top pass rushers start coming off.
12:37Um, but I, I don't see anybody taking a big swing to go all the way up.
12:42Albert Breer, MMQB.
12:43We appreciate you as always.
12:44Fantastic insight.
12:45And we'll catch up with you next week.
12:47All right.
12:47Thanks guys.
12:48All right.
12:48Thank you so much.
12:48Albert Breer right there on the make it right.
12:50Call Kyle, right.
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