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00:00Big swing and a miss, Andy.
00:01Oops, wait a minute.
00:04Can I have a mulligan on that comment?
00:06Never, ever, ever.
00:08I'm sorry.
00:09I'm sorry, Andrew.
00:10We might be playing him.
00:12Okay, I got to take that back then.
00:16What do you think of our owner's comments from yesterday?
00:19I just told you.
00:20Oops.
00:21Oops.
00:23That was a big oops is what that was.
00:26Oops.
00:27I said it when he said it.
00:30And it was the first time that I actually thought for a minute,
00:34maybe if Deshaun Watson was healthy, they would turn away from him.
00:37And maybe they did that at the end of the season last year.
00:40Maybe he was strong enough to play at the end of the year.
00:42Who knows?
00:43I don't know who's paying the insurance bill on him right now.
00:45But what I do know is, guess what, kids?
00:50Uncle Andy's been telling you this since the beginning,
00:52that if Deshaun Watson's healthy, he's going to play.
00:56And we all sat around for the last year, and we said,
00:58well, the owner said swing and a miss.
01:00The owner said swing and a miss.
01:02And I'm like, I'm telling you, at the end of the day,
01:05money talks and you know what walks.
01:08And guess what?
01:09He now, according to the owner,
01:13has a really good chance of being the starting quarterback.
01:17Or will have a chance.
01:18Can I differ with you slightly?
01:20You can differ all you want.
01:24I don't, at this point, I truly don't think it's the money.
01:29At this point, I think it's, he's under contract.
01:34And if he's healthy, he just might be better than the other guys.
01:38And as long as he's here, and as long as we're paying him,
01:42if he's better than the other guys, then we should play him.
01:47I don't think it's money already spent, Andy.
01:50If you live in the world that money already spent,
01:53then I think you're in big trouble.
01:54You know, like you keep, you keep the minivan on the road forever.
01:59Yeah.
01:59But at some point, you got to pull the plug, you know,
02:03from a financial standpoint.
02:04Yeah, but do you look at your, do you look at that minivan?
02:07Let's just say, and I'm going to throw out rough numbers,
02:11that if you pay $10,000 for it, which we all know,
02:14you know, pay $10,000 for a minivan, but anyway,
02:16and then you have it two days, then it's like, oh,
02:19it's only $5,000 a day for this minivan.
02:22And now if you have it three days, now it's only $2,500 a day.
02:26You know what I'm saying?
02:27Like, is that how you can, you're saying don't worry about any of that cash
02:32that you spent to buy your minivan?
02:34It's gone, Andy.
02:35I mean.
02:36But you still have the minivan, Jeff.
02:37Well, I don't.
02:39At some point, I had to make the decision.
02:42Guess what?
02:43Jimmy Haslam still has his minivan, Jeff.
02:45I know, which is why, Andy, I think, you know,
02:49as long as the minivan was running, you can drive it.
02:53And so, excuse me, I got to take this call.
02:55Oh, I'm sorry.
02:56Jeff has a phone call.
02:58Oh, look at this.
02:59It's your minivan looking for its home.
03:01The van's mad at me.
03:02You turned on me.
03:03It's Christine.
03:04It's Christine of the minivans.
03:08If the vehicle keeps running and is doing fine, why replace it?
03:13And in this case, if the quarterback is healthy,
03:17it doesn't matter that you've already, you know, what you've already paid.
03:21That's where we differ.
03:22We agree in principle.
03:24Yes.
03:24If he wins the job, he should play.
03:27But you just think it's based on...
03:29Jeff, that's very utopian, and I appreciate that.
03:31Like, if he doesn't beat out Shadour, you think he should play anyway
03:35because they've already paid him?
03:38See, that's where I think we differ.
03:41If you draft a quarterback in the first round, should he start?
03:44Well, that's a different story than what we're talking about right now.
03:47But it's not.
03:48It goes back to, like, simple sports philosophy that if you draft a quarterback...
03:53Not if he's the best guy.
03:54Let me explain it.
03:55Let me explain it.
03:56If you draft a quarterback in the first round,
03:58you expect him to probably start in the first year.
04:00If you're in college and there's a guy on a full-ride scholarship
04:03against a walk-on, and the walk-on is significantly better
04:07than the full-ride scholarship, guess what?
04:09Full-ride scholarship guy's going to play because the coach, the school,
04:13they have an investment in the athlete.
04:15Same thing.
04:17Deshaun Watson's still on the full-ride scholarship,
04:19much more than the other quarterbacks.
04:21So, even if he's not better than Shadour, he's going to start.
04:27I disagree with that.
04:28I'm not saying that that's the right way to do it.
04:31I'm saying the politics of sports, the politics and financial ramifications of sports,
04:38tell you, guess what?
04:40Life's not fair, and this is what's going to happen.
04:42I think they're so close to being out of it, Andy.
04:45I don't think that matters.
04:46And a complete contrast to what you just laid out is what the Niners did after trading up for Trey
04:55Lance,
04:55and then they clearly saw in year number two of Brock Purdy that he was better than Trey Lance.
05:01And so they didn't play the guy who they gave up first-round picks for.
05:06They played the seventh-round pick.
05:08And there was always going to be an exception to the rule.
05:11And by the way, maybe that's why the Niners can be a successful team,
05:16because they're not worried about what the Joneses are doing.
05:19And I think the normal flow of it is Deshaun Watson's your scholarship quarterback, kids,
05:25whether you want to believe it or not.
05:27And the kid with the scholarship's going to get every chance to do this right
05:31until the head coach finally turns to the owner and says,
05:33it ain't working.
05:35It's just not working.
05:36And I had this feeling, as everyone was calling it,
05:41Andy, I'm telling you, Deshaun's never going to see the field again.
05:45He's not going to play.
05:47Now, you might feel that way, and you may not want to see him on the field anymore,
05:51but you're not cutting a check every two – I don't know how often they get paid –
05:56every two weeks.
05:57You're not, and Jimmy is.
06:00And if he's going to pay someone to work, he probably wants to see them work.
06:04I don't have a problem with that.
06:07I agree with you in principle.
06:09Yes, I think Deshaun could definitely start.
06:12I just don't – I think if he doesn't look as good as Shadur, he won't start.
06:16And you think he will just based on the fact they've already paid him.
06:20That's just where we differ.
06:22Well, it's not even the payment.
06:23It's that scholarship theory that I have.
06:24It's the same thing.
06:25And maybe I'm wrong.
06:26But I also know that if I was a head coach and I walked into the room
06:29and I knew I had – I'm taking all the last names – this is just me.
06:34I'm taking all the last names off the jersey.
06:36I see three guys standing in front of me.
06:38One guy who I see played a little bit at the end of last season.
06:43One guy I see who played at the beginning of the season.
06:45And then one guy who's been in the NFL but has been hurt for a while
06:49and has had success in the NFL, it's much easier to hand him the ball
06:53than it is to hand the young guys the ball.
06:55He knows what to expect.
06:56But I'm also prepared to take the ball away from him
06:59and hand it to somebody else as the head coach.
07:03Maybe this was part of the Stefanski problem too.
07:06That maybe we saw that Deshaun was in this trajectory
07:10and that front office didn't want to see Deshaun and Kevin together.
07:14I don't – I'm just kind of throwing things out there.
07:18Who knows?
07:19There's a reason why Kevin got fired though, right?
07:21They didn't like something.
07:22Well, there's a reason Kevin did and Andrew didn't.
07:25Right.
07:26Exactly.
07:27Exactly.
07:27Don't ask me what that is.
07:28So, I mean, when I just – I kind of look at the whole situation.
07:31Now, what do you think?
07:33Because it sounds to me – Jeff, I'll tell you what I think you're saying.
07:37You tell me.
07:38You have three quarterbacks who are currently in the room right now.
07:41We don't know what's going to happen in the draft.
07:43There's still a possibility that they could bring in a free agent quarterback.
07:46If you had to make that decision today and rank them 1, 2, 3, who are they?
07:511, 2, 3 right now?
07:52Not – there are two ways.
07:54I can't because I haven't seen Deshaun Watson.
07:58I haven't seen what he looks like.
08:00You can do it based on what he's done before.
08:03Well, then it's Deshaun.
08:06Deshaun, probably Shadour, Gabriel.
08:08Yeah, I don't think – I think that's real clear.
08:12But, again, if the guy goes out and, you know, dancing around on a practice field
08:19and throwing balls to wide open wide receivers is a lot different than dancing around
08:24trying to avoid defensive linemen and linebackers who are blitzing
08:27and then hitting covered receivers.
08:31So, we've got to see what he looks like.
08:33Last time we saw him on a football field, he didn't look good.
08:36No.
08:37Do you think that Todd Munkin has to –
08:42Do next to nothing.
08:45What do you mean?
08:46Let it play out?
08:48Yeah.
08:49All Todd has to do is decide which one he likes best.
08:52I think.
08:53What happens if Andrew and Jimmy walk over to him and go,
08:56you know, I think Deshaun looks best.
08:59I'm Todd Munkin.
09:01I've waited my entire football career for this job.
09:04And I know if I don't do it my way, I'm going to get fired.
09:08And I'll never get another chance.
09:11I'm starting the guy I think is the best.
09:13And if they don't like it, they can fire me.
09:15Yeah, I think –
09:16You can say it either way.
09:17He's not going to play the game, Andy.
09:20He's going to pick the best guy and play him.
09:22And if they say, you know, we'd really like to play fill-in-the-blank,
09:25you'd say, great, you should have hired another coach.
09:27I'm playing this guy.
09:28I believe that.
09:31This guy is not going to take anything from any of those guys.
09:35And he's going to say, this gives me the best chance to win football games.
09:38And if I don't win football games, you're going to fire me.
09:40So go ahead and fire me for being, you know, argumentative with you.
09:45That's fine.
09:46Go ahead.
09:46And I'll tell everybody why you fired me.
09:49And then I'm going to go ahead and play this guy.
09:52And if I win football games, you're not going to be able to fire me.
09:56Honestly, I think this guy is going to have an attitude
09:58and he's going to do it his way.
09:59And thank God for that.
10:02I'll just say this.
10:03I hope you're right.
10:05I hope you're right.
10:06I hope I'm right too.
10:07I also hope that all three of them are on the same page
10:10and it doesn't have to be an argument.
10:13That all three of them all agree that whoever the best quarterback is
10:15is the guy who's going to be taking snaps game one.
10:18When they get to the point.
10:19Then if anything else happens, then it's on the coach.
10:22But you would hope that that's the case.
10:24But I got to ask you, are you ready for Deshaun Watson
10:28to be the starting quarterback next season?
10:31Your owner just said he's got an unbelievable chance.
10:34Remember he said big swing and a miss?
10:36Well, that is out the window because now he's saying he has a great chance
10:40and has a fresh start with first-year head coach Todd Munkin.
10:45What does this mean?
10:46And I guess...
10:48Sounds pretty simple, Andy.
10:50Doesn't it?
10:52I've said it since the beginning.
10:53If he's healthy, he's your quarterback.
10:55Especially with two guys coming back for their softball.
10:57And I'll say if he's healthy and better than the other guys,
11:01he's your quarterback.
11:03Or as good.
11:05What is this?
11:06If you're Shadur, what are you thinking?
11:08But other than the fact you just changed your number yesterday
11:10from 12 to 2.
11:13I'm thinking that I was drafted by a team that traded three first-rounders
11:19and more and gave a guy the biggest contract guaranteed in NFL history.
11:24If he's healthy, I better beat him out.
11:29And is Gabriel still around?
11:31Anyone heard from him?
11:32Yeah, Dylan Gabriel.
11:33Roman Gabriel?
11:34That is right.
11:35Roman Gabriel.
11:37Taylor Gabriel.
11:38That was my other problem.
11:39When we first got him, I'm like...
11:40You know, I just think it would be so funny
11:43if he went into camp and was just lights out and beat everybody out.
11:48Gosh, can you imagine the calls we'd be getting?
11:51What do you mean, Dylan Gabriel's starting?
11:53I don't get it.
11:54I don't understand it.
11:55That would be funny.
11:59That would be funny.
12:00If you're Jimmy Haslam here, okay,
12:02do you realize the words that you projected over the last two years
12:05about your starting quarterback and how they stick?
12:08Yeah.
12:09Big swing and a miss.
12:10Oops.
12:11Will probably never go away.
12:14Judge Schmales, I'm taking a mulligan here.
12:17Yes, yes.
12:18I didn't prove your lie, sir.
12:21Oh, Mr. Scholarship winner.
12:26If you're Deshaun Watson, right, you're sitting there,
12:29you've got the opportunity to go back and get this,
12:31and you're probably looking at this going,
12:33all right, my relationship with the owner is pretty good,
12:35but then again, he paid me all this cash,
12:36so it should be pretty good.
12:38A year ago, he said, big swing and a miss.
12:41Now he is saying he has a great chance,
12:44a fresh start with an offensive-minded coach.
12:47Is that a dig at Kevin?
12:48I thought Kevin was an offensive-minded coach.
12:50I don't think it was a dig.
12:51It was just a fact.
12:53Okay.
12:53An offensive-minded coach who has been able to work
12:57with all kinds of different quarterbacks
12:59and make them successful.
13:01Are you prepared for Deshaun Watson
13:04to be your starting quarterback next season?
13:09If Shadur can't beat him out,
13:10I mean, I think Shadur has to beat him out.
13:14You know what I mean?
13:15It's like you've got to knock off the champ.
13:18If it's a draw, the champ keeps the title.
13:21It's true.
13:21I thought Rocky won in the first movie.
13:23And I...
13:25Now, common sense would tell you
13:28if it's a draw, play the young guy
13:31because he might be the future.
13:33I mean, common sense would tell you that.
13:35Right.
13:36Because Deshaun's contract's up at the end of the year
13:38and you should see what you have.
13:41Common sense tells me that, anyway.
13:44You're only going to have to deal with the guy
13:45for another year
13:46unless you decide to give him another year or two,
13:49which I think isn't happening.
13:52So if he's not better,
13:53common sense would tell you to play Shadur.
13:57But I'll bet if they're the same,
13:58I would bet Deshaun plays.
14:00What we think we're going to have this year
14:02is a wide-open competition.
14:04I don't know if it goes into training camp.
14:07Maybe Todd Munkin makes his decision
14:08before training camp ever starts.
14:10And as a man who evaluates offensive talent
14:13for a living and coaches it up,
14:15I think he's entitled to do that
14:17if he decides that's the way it should be.
14:19You know, maybe he'll see enough
14:21before they ever get to training camp
14:24to know who his guy is.
14:25And he could flat-out say it
14:27and take a lot of drama out of training camp, Andy.
14:32The drama is what's feeding the beast right now.
14:35Sure.
14:35I mean, when we're sitting here,
14:38we're hanging on the words of Jimmy Haslam
14:41differing from big swing and a miss
14:43to great chance, fresh start.
14:45That's what we have.
14:46Wouldn't it be great to be talking about,
14:48hey, how are they going to repeat?
14:50How are they getting back to the playoffs?
14:53Man, does that trophy look...
14:54I don't even know what the trophy looks like anymore.
14:56Mark in Cleveland.
14:57Hi, Mark.
14:58Hello, Mark.
14:58Hey, fellas.
15:00Last time I saw Watson, unlike Jeff,
15:02the guy looked good.
15:03He was 15 or 17, man.
15:05So I want to see the guy play.
15:07I don't have no problem with it.
15:08And I don't think there's going to be a problem
15:10as far as Munkin and the head coach and everything
15:12because they're just hiring.
15:14So they would have to have some kind of reason
15:17and some kind of understanding.
15:20Some kind of understanding,
15:22hey, this is what plan going in here.
15:24So I don't see it being this big mess
15:25like everybody thinks, like you guys saying, man.
15:27I think Watson's going to come in there,
15:29compete, and the winner's going to take the job.
15:31Mark, if he looks good in all the OTAs
15:34and minicamps and all that stuff,
15:36I don't see any reason why Todd Munkin
15:38needs to take a competition in the training camp.
15:41Right?
15:41No.
15:41No, and here's the other thing, Mark.
15:43Mark, you made it sound really simple and easy.
15:45And I think if it went that way, that's awesome.
15:48Now, I'm going to ask you, this is the Cleveland Browns.
15:51Do you think it's going to be that easy?
15:53Yeah, because I don't go on the pass, Andy.
15:56Like 20 years ago, another coaching change and all this,
15:58I deal with what's on the table right now.
16:00So I can't say about what previously happened
16:02when it's a different regime here.
16:04So, I mean, I got faith in the guys.
16:06I mean, they hired this guy.
16:07I think they had a good understanding.
16:09That's the reason they went and hired him.
16:10And that's my point of view, man.
16:12Thanks for having me.
16:12I hear you, Mark.
16:13I also think that if you don't understand history
16:16and see what's happened before,
16:18even though you have a new coach,
16:19you've got to be cognizant of that.
16:20And unless all the players have changed,
16:22and they haven't, you still have the same owner,
16:24you still have the same general manager,
16:27and you just let the other coach go,
16:29and you constantly, I think, have to ask yourself,
16:31I always ask this, what could he have done to save his job?
16:34What could he have done to be better?
16:36By the way, cognizant is a great word.
16:39I think I'm averaging, am I averaging about a word a week now?
16:42Yeah, you're doing all right.
16:43You must have picked up a book.
16:45I did not.
16:45No, that's the weird part.
16:46Can I throw one thought at you?
16:48I slept at a...
16:49Yesterday, Jimmy Haslam,
16:52and when I read this, I just thought,
16:54okay, I guess he's the owner, I guess.
16:58But he said, Jimmy said,
17:00Deshaun threw the ball well during the three weeks last year
17:03when he was designated a return from practice.
17:05And then he had a quote that I'm reading from ESPN.
17:08You got to do it in games under pressure, et cetera,
17:10but he threw the ball well.
17:14Can I hear a football guy say that,
17:16not the owner of the team?
17:19Was he asked?
17:20How did that work?
17:22I don't need...
17:23I'm sorry.
17:25I don't need the owner of the team
17:28dissecting the football skill of players.
17:33I need him sitting back, writing big checks,
17:35and being consulted and chatting with his guys every day.
17:38He's allowed to do that.
17:39He owns a team.
17:40But, yes, he threw the ball well.
17:44Okay.
17:45Yeah, but you know what?
17:45Sometimes we trust the media in the same light.
17:48We trust the media sometimes,
17:50not former players, not former coaches.
17:53I mean, how many times have we had a play-by-play?
17:55You might.
17:56Andy, I prefer to listen to people who coach it
17:59and do it for a living.
18:00I don't disagree with you,
18:01but we also give merit to media that have never...
18:04And I'm not saying that they can't be right.
18:07And Jimmy might be right.
18:09Level of credibility, to me, is very low there.
18:14I'll be honest.
18:14It's low with most media people.
18:18I prefer to talk to the guys who have played
18:21or who have coached.
18:23And if they tell me a guy's doing something well,
18:25I buy it.
18:28Do you buy it?
18:29I was just saying.
18:32You heard what the owner said.
18:34Plus, by the way...
18:35I heard big swing and a miss.
18:36Oh, wait a minute.
18:36I'm sorry.
18:37No, I'm sorry.
18:37I heard fresh start.
18:38That was last year.
18:39I heard fresh start.
18:40And I also heard about our star player,
18:43the other one,
18:44the one you can actually count on
18:46to win big awards
18:47and to make you want to go to the game.
18:49Yeah.
18:49What'd they say about Miles Garrett?
18:51What's his deal?
18:51You're about to find out next.
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