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00:00Okay, so Todd Munkin missed it with a haircut. What are you going to do?
00:03He missed the picture with it for a haircut. Do you believe that he missed the picture for a haircut?
00:07No.
00:07The coach's picture?
00:08I do not.
00:08You don't believe he missed it because he had a haircut?
00:10I do not. Absolutely not. I just think that's an easy thing to say.
00:14What do you think he was doing?
00:16I don't know. I just think he's not interested.
00:19I'm trying to be as positive as I can with Munkin.
00:21I think he's not interested in all the nonsense.
00:24All this stuff. I'm thinking of my dad, God rest his soul.
00:29My dad could care less if there was a picture, like the picture day where you have to wear the
00:33color.
00:33I think he just doesn't care about any of that stuff.
00:36He's all football all the time. That's my thought, and I'm sticking to it.
00:40But no, I don't think he missed it. I don't think it was an accident.
00:43This was on purpose.
00:45And I just don't think he cares.
00:47And I like that, to be honest with you.
00:49I want a football guy. I like football guys.
00:52Well, they're all football guys. Sirianni's a football guy. He was there.
00:55But you know what I'm saying. This is a new guy.
00:58I don't want to say he's old because he's closer to my age than he's not.
01:01But you're talking about a guy who's waited a long time.
01:03You just said 37 years.
01:05I just don't think any of this.
01:06Like he is. I'm hoping when they hired him, he has said, I have non-negotiables.
01:10I'm in charge of this. I'm in charge of this.
01:12I don't care about this stuff.
01:15This other stuff, I don't care about.
01:17That's where I'm at.
01:20It is a little odd.
01:22Has Sean McVay been in the picture before?
01:24Because Sean McVay was the other guy who missed the picture.
01:27I assume so.
01:28At the NFL League meetings, they have a picture every single year.
01:31And we found out yesterday that he wasn't in the picture.
01:35And then we found out yesterday afternoon a reason to why Todd Monkett wasn't in the picture.
01:40And the reason Todd Monkett wasn't in the picture he gave is that he was getting a haircut and he
01:46missed the picture by 20 minutes.
01:47And I just took him for his word.
01:49And then there were some people going, I don't believe that.
01:52And you are saying you don't believe.
01:53So he just doesn't want to be in the photo?
01:55I just don't think, you know, once again, I just think he has this old school mentality where he is,
02:00he's a little bit testy.
02:04He's a little bit on edge.
02:05You saw it with the answers yesterday.
02:06Yeah, he was a little prickly yesterday, which I kind of liked.
02:09Yeah, yeah.
02:09So you get this idea that he is not for the nonsense.
02:13He is not for what we wear, how we look, what we do.
02:17We are about winning football games.
02:19So when he says about, like, the quarterback play, we're going to, no, it's not equal reps.
02:23We're playing the best guy.
02:24No, I don't want to go this.
02:25Not that he's purposely saying, I don't want to go this picture.
02:28I just don't think that stuff means anything to him.
02:30And I don't mind that at all.
02:31With a guy who's coming into a situation like this, there's got to be a change of pace.
02:36And he is a change of pace.
02:37I'm not saying it's going to work.
02:38What did he do?
02:39Did he just go hide?
02:40I can't imagine.
02:42Well, McVay was there the last two years.
02:44I saw those.
02:44I just looked those up.
02:46So do you think McVay was looking for a partner to be like, hey, let's skip this picture.
02:49Maybe he found his guy.
02:50Maybe he found his buddy.
02:52Maybe that's it.
02:53Maybe for years when they've played each other at the handshakes, he's like, hey, when you
02:57get the call up one day, we're going to skip the picture.
02:59We're going to skip the picture over here.
03:01Well, that's what I think.
03:02But that's the way I think.
03:03I think he thinks of the picture like that.
03:05He just doesn't care.
03:06And I'm okay with that.
03:09If I were a head coach, it is one of the things that I think I would do just because
03:17I'm a
03:17head coach.
03:18If it's my first one in my 20s.
03:20There you go.
03:21He doesn't care.
03:21He's 60.
03:22One little thing.
03:23Andy Reid is in the picture.
03:25And we talk about Andy Reid and how he looks every year in the Tommy Bahama and everything
03:28like that.
03:29He's in the picture.
03:30I don't understand why they have to look direct into the sunlight every single year.
03:33That's always odd to me.
03:34I don't know why you can't have it in a room.
03:36Cast the shadows behind.
03:37It's just so odd.
03:38But either way, these are all football, man.
03:42These are all dedicated football.
03:44I mean, there's been a couple of goofballs that have been in there in the years past.
03:47But he gives you the old school vibe, doesn't he?
03:47Doesn't he give you the old school vibe?
03:48He's like, I'm not worried about any of this stuff.
03:50I'm going to wear the bike shorts.
03:51I'm going to pull the socks up.
03:53I just get that vibe.
03:55Once again, it reminds me of my dad.
03:57But I'm focused on one thing.
03:58He could have been talking to someone on the phone about football and lost track of time.
04:04That's the kind of guy those guys are, in my opinion.
04:06So when I do...
04:07Okay, this is not in the same stratosphere.
04:09But I'm going to try to correlate it in some way.
04:12I don't like going into press boxes.
04:15It's not my thing.
04:16I don't like sitting at press row.
04:17That ain't my deal.
04:19I don't have any problem with media members.
04:22Well, there's one that has a problem with me here.
04:23But I don't have any problem with media members.
04:26Honestly, I'd rather just be either with the fans or I'd rather just go home.
04:30I have no use for a press box.
04:32I have no use for a free hot dog.
04:34I don't care for it.
04:35I'm uncomfortable.
04:36The only time I've been comfortable in a press box is in the play-by-play booth with guys
04:41I know very, very well.
04:42Okay?
04:43And just sitting in the back and enjoying it and moving on.
04:46That would be the only correlation I would have.
04:49Like, I don't want to be in any of the, like, here's the Browns press.
04:52There's the Browns press.
04:53Yeah, you're not being disrespectful.
04:54It's just where you're at.
04:55It's just I know who I am and that's it.
04:57That's the only way I try to correlate it.
04:58But if it were my first year and I'm like, all right, I'm at the fan in Cleveland.
05:03Yeah, you know, I went to the press box.
05:05This guy's callous, though.
05:06This guy is callous.
05:07He's 60.
05:08He's callous.
05:09He's just callous.
05:10And I just think he's got the...
05:12That's true.
05:13He's got the right, for me, he's got the right vibe of, I'm going to, this is going to be
05:18hard.
05:19He's already made it very clear he doesn't like press.
05:21He made it very clear that he's going to speak his mind.
05:23He's made it very clear about these things.
05:25And for me, that's a sign of confidence.
05:27He's got to win games.
05:28That comes down to it.
05:29But I'm okay with the start of it, for me.
05:31Which, I'm getting a text from our boss, like, don't let Ken speak out of both sides of his
05:34mouth.
05:35He hasn't been in a picture of the company party in seven years.
05:37I haven't been able to be there, because we always hold it on a Wednesday, and we have
05:41the Cleveland Browns preview show on a Wednesday during football season, so I can't come to
05:44the party and deal with everybody at the party.
05:47I go to everything else, ask me some of the other get-togethers that my co-host won't
05:51go to around here.
05:52Either way, we're getting off to where I wanted to go.
05:54If you're going to rip me, use my name when you rip me.
05:58I would say this, and I've had people say, winning less with Shador is better than winning
06:03more with Deshaun.
06:04And I just have to disagree.
06:05And the reason I like what has been said about Deshaun Watson is that everything that's
06:10happened in the past absolutely means nothing.
06:12And that's a good thing.
06:13And that's good for everybody.
06:15Again, this is a ripple effect of what happens when you get rid of your head coach.
06:19But for me, when people say, he's going to look good in practice and he'll look better
06:23than Shador, then that's a problem for Shador, because you're right, Daryl, they're not
06:27getting hit.
06:27They have red shirts on.
06:28They're not getting touched.
06:29So that's the opportunity where Shador's got to look better, because there is no live
06:34bullets.
06:34And that's an issue.
06:35So for me, I've looked at this as more of a positive, even though people have pushed
06:39back.
06:40This is, if he's the best guy, I'm not looking to develop.
06:43I'm not looking to do all these things.
06:45I'm looking to win week one.
06:46And if Deshaun Watson gives me the best chance to win week one, then I'm going with Deshaun
06:51Watson.
06:52And I like Shador, and I like Dillon, and I don't really care who the quarterback is.
06:55But for me, and all the shrapnel and everything that's happened, that's all real with Deshaun.
07:01It doesn't matter if he gets healthy.
07:02If he gets healthy, he wins the job.
07:04If there is a true competition.
07:06I don't know how they do these things.
07:07We'll see.
07:08I'm looking forward to see how Todd Monken runs his practice.
07:11All you have to do is say my name.
07:12But I wasn't.
07:15Honestly, I've heard so much.
07:16Why did my phone start buzzing the second you said it?
07:19He could.
07:20The producers of your show yesterday, as well as other producers at this station, couldn't
07:24cut it fast enough.
07:25Like, they were trying to pull your words out of your mouth as you were saying them in
07:29recording.
07:29Well, you know, I'm going to, honestly, that was more of what I've heard about the Deshaun
07:35and about the Shador, and the idea that people are okay with developing Shador, and let's
07:43see what he's got, and let's, I'm not okay with that.
07:46I want a guy who's going to win week one, and I don't care about what happens.
07:50I don't care about what happened in the past, and the point is, I don't really think, you
07:54know, when you get rid of a, you know, everybody was happy for Shador that they got rid of
07:57Kevin, well, that, there's also the idea that with a new guy, he doesn't care about
08:03what happened with, you know, he's only played 19 games, and he's been hurt.
08:06All those things are true.
08:08If he's the best guy, he plays week one.
08:11Honestly, my friend, that was not a personal attack.
08:14You should have.
08:15Why didn't you?
08:15You should have attacked me.
08:16Well, no, I'm not.
08:17But if I say something stupid, go ahead and let it ride.
08:20Well, once again, though, I don't think, I don't think it's stupid.
08:22It's a difference in philosophy.
08:24Some people want to see development.
08:26I don't want to see that.
08:27I want to see wins.
08:28I want to see all that other stuff takes it.
08:31When people say winning is the ultimate medicine, there's not a more true statement in the world.
08:36And if you can win, everything else will figure itself out.
08:39So what I like about it, and why I do wish you would have said something, because the
08:43reason why I was like, the reason why, well, this ain't my first rodeo.
08:48The reason why I knew it was about me, and I'm not trying to make it about me, but I
08:52knew
08:52it was about me, is that you texted me while I was saying it on the show.
08:55Okay.
08:56You texted me while I was saying it.
08:58But in my thought process of saying it last night, it wasn't, I wasn't like, oh, I'm
09:01going to get canned.
09:02That wasn't my thought.
09:03Well, you should have done it.
09:04I didn't.
09:04I'm fine with it.
09:05I'm not, I'm not, I guess I'm not resourceful enough.
09:07I got to be, I got to learn my quick, I got to be quicker in my wit, as my
09:10wife said.
09:10This is my problem.
09:11I can't, I can't fight you on this.
09:14Which is not going to be a lot of fun.
09:16I can't do it.
09:17Because I'm trying to look at it from both ways.
09:20I don't need to dig it.
09:22And this is a bigger issue that I'm going to have to get to on the other side.
09:24I made amends during the season last year.
09:26Why am I trying to save something that I didn't cause a problem to?
09:29I did not want Deshaun Watson.
09:31I did not want to get into this mess.
09:34I am on the record for it.
09:35I thought they might bring in a veteran and compete with Baker that year.
09:39That's it.
09:39That's old news.
09:40I brought it up.
09:41I brought it up several times.
09:42But because of that, I'm thinking, I don't need to dig out of this.
09:45They do.
09:46I don't.
09:47I'm trying to look at it from 30,000 feet.
09:49I can't argue with somebody who's on the sidelines, though, whose job it is to get 53 people.
09:54If Todd Munkin, or you know what?
09:56Say any coach, even coaches that I've not got along with.
09:59It's rare.
10:00But say the coaches I didn't get along with.
10:01I know you have one right in your mind.
10:04I can't argue with that guy about trying to win now.
10:07I can't do it.
10:08Okay?
10:09It's impossible.
10:10It can be done in other sports.
10:12I don't really think it can be done in baseball.
10:14It's done in the NBA.
10:15I understand it's done in the NBA.
10:17But in football, I'm hard-pressed to disagree with you.
10:23But when I don't have faith in the other guy, in Deshaun Watson,
10:29if I don't have faith, then that means I just don't want to have those other conversations.
10:33So when you brought up the losing thing, so I talked myself into a box.
10:37And I know there's a, Coach, don't let him up.
10:39Don't let him up.
10:40Don't let him.
10:40Listen, I'll say it like this.
10:42If, like, Lima had a diabolical question.
10:44Do you remember the diabolical question from weeks and weeks and weeks ago
10:47about making the playoffs with Deshaun Watson?
10:49And I'm going, guys, if I'm making the playoffs, what do you want me to say?
10:53My hands are tied.
10:54But my whole issue of it was is that I got to look at it.
10:58I can't tell a football coach to go lose games.
11:00It'll never come out of my mouth.
11:01I can never say, if you want to call me an idiot, say whatever you want, fine.
11:05I'm going to stand down.
11:05I'm never going to tell Coach Lance or any other high school football coach
11:08or any other college coach or any other pro coach that they've got to go out
11:11and lose games.
11:12It ain't going to happen.
11:12Okay?
11:15My issue with it is, is that I ain't a coach at that level.
11:21At any real, any of you.
11:23So I can talk about it from 30,000 feet.
11:25What's best for the Browns?
11:27I don't want to lose games.
11:29I never want to lose games.
11:32Maybe I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth.
11:33Maybe I just want a perfect thread and needle, Lance.
11:37But, damn it.
11:39Like, I don't think Deshaun Watson's worth it anymore.
11:42And I remember the conversations that we have, the fights,
11:45the getting mad at each other, blocking each other on social media,
11:49the fights to me about Shador are way easier than any of the fights we ever had
11:55about Deshaun Watson.
11:57And I'm thinking, if I don't think the guy's very good and I don't,
12:01then what the hell is my point of me wasting my time with the guy?
12:05I ain't the head football coach of the team.
12:07It ain't my legacy that's right there.
12:09It's his.
12:10I understand that he's got to do what he's got to do.
12:12But to me, if I just get nine wins and I don't make the playoffs here,
12:16what the hell did I accomplish?
12:18I don't, maybe someone will trade for him later on,
12:23depending on what pick you can get back.
12:25Maybe you can do that.
12:27But I'm going, hey, I'd rather just kick the tires on the young one here
12:31or if you really wanted to, fine, get a guy in the third round,
12:33bring him in, see what the hell he'll do by the end of the season
12:35because you know they all end up playing for the Browns as it is anyway.
12:39Like, I am very, I don't want, I think I know this season is probably going to go
12:44to the middle somewhere because their schedule ain't that hard.
12:47Now, it's the NFL.
12:50Schedule's not that difficult.
12:52They'll probably go to the middle somewhere.
12:54Can I get something that's meaningful?
12:56I don't know if there's any such thing anymore as meaningful football with Deshaun Watson.
13:01At least I could have a conversation about the other guy.
13:03Even leave the other guy out.
13:04Say it was Dylan Gabriel.
13:05I'd rather win seven with Dylan Gabriel than just go to the middle
13:08with a guy that's dramatically overpaid when it comes to picks.
13:12I don't care about his money.
13:13Dramatically overpaid when it comes to picks.
13:15And reminds fans of what could have been every single time.
13:19And what he reminds them of is failure for a football team
13:24and a lost generation of Cleveland Browns that could have been somebody.
13:27Well, that's where the line for me has got to stop.
13:30So when I look at it, I go, that's great.
13:32That's in the past.
13:33I am figuring out, once again, and it sounded redundant, but again, I'll say it.
13:38What do I got to do to win week one?
13:39And if I'm winning week one, now are you saying if they're all equal
13:44or are you saying that Watson's playing better than them in practice in preseason,
13:50but you're still going with the other two?
13:53Because then winning doesn't be –
13:54No, no.
13:55I got to accept what I – I got to accept what I accept.
13:57And some people got it mixed up because everybody gets very defensive on the stuff online.
14:02Owen understood what I was saying.
14:03Even Lyman understood what I was saying.
14:05When I said yesterday that Kevin Stefanski was – and I said it two days in a row,
14:08and I'll say it a third day, when I said Kevin Stefanski was Shador Sanders' best friend,
14:14people went crazy.
14:16And I go, no, he would have kept the status quo.
14:17Shador Sanders would have absolutely started week one if Kevin Stefanski was still here.
14:22Now you got a new head coach, and it's exactly how you said it.
14:25He's got to do what he can to win week one.
14:27I'm fully believing that if Kevin Stefanski were still the head coach,
14:31I think Browns fans would be really out emotionally on this coming season.
14:36But you would have Shador Sanders starting week one.
14:39And now that he's gone, I don't think that Todd Munkin is some hero riding in on here.
14:45I think Todd Munkin will look at – or not to the Shador fans.
14:48I think Todd Munkin will walk right in here and go, who's my best quarterback?
14:51That's it.
14:52I don't think he – he cares to some level like there's seriousness there.
14:56But ultimately, he's got to make the best pick for his football team.
14:59And if Deshaun Watson's whistling the ball all over the place,
15:02he's going to go ahead and he's going to pick Deshaun Watson.
15:04He is not going to care that Shador Sanders gave him a birthday present
15:07or was in the facility every single day.
15:10Those things mean something to be on the football team because he could look at them
15:13and go, yeah, you weren't ready to play last year and you got forced into it
15:16and you ain't ready to play this year.
15:18Have a seat.
15:19We're going to go with the veteran.
15:20Well, yeah.
15:21And once again, though, everything that has been talked about with Deshaun Watson
15:24has to do with he's only won 19 games.
15:26It's all in the past.
15:27And my point telling people is that I don't care if it's Shador or Deshaun or Dylan.
15:30Dylan, it's starting now when he got hired.
15:33So everything, the 19 games, the injuries, that all means absolutely nothing to Todd Munkin.
15:39At least I hope it doesn't because his goal, if I'm going to win,
15:43I'm going to find a guy who can understand my offense, can get us into the best play,
15:48can make sure the run understands fronts and coverages,
15:50all those football terms that we use, that we overuse as coaches.
15:54But that's really what it comes down to because the arguments people give me all the time,
15:59he's been here for this long and has done nothing.
16:02All right.
16:03I don't care.
16:04What is he going to do for me this year?
16:05I'm the new coach.
16:06I'm going to put him in positions to win better than – because coaches, we think that.
16:09We think we can get most out of people.
16:11I just think the idea of what he's done in the past means nothing moving forward.
16:15If he comes in, and I'm definitely speaking out of both sides of my mouth here,
16:19do I want Shador Sanders to be a starter?
16:22I've said that several times.
16:24But you have a new head coach in here, and I can respect being a first-time head coach
16:28and maybe an only-time head coach and him picking the best 53 for the roster
16:32and him picking the best quarterback to be responsible to the other 52.
16:35And that's where I'm meant by when I said Kevin Stefanski was Shador Sanders' best friend.
16:40I think he would have just went with the flow.
16:42Oh, I agree with you.
16:42I think that there was a total loss of power there,
16:45and if they wanted Shador Sanders to start, he would start Shador Sanders.
16:49I think it's different now.
16:50You have a new person in there, you've hired this man,
16:53you had the entire interview process go out, you've decided to bring him in,
16:59you're going to naturally give him power.
17:00So you better hope.
17:02There's no campaign.
17:05He can sign as many footballs as he wants to,
17:07he can shake as many hands as he wants to,
17:10he can kiss as many babies as he wants to.
17:12He's a real nice guy, and the city seems to like him.
17:16But it doesn't matter.
17:17It doesn't matter.
17:18If the one guy's playing better, they're going to play the other guy.
17:21And I'm telling you, if it goes that way,
17:23there's going to be people who are just in a fit over it.
17:26Because I think that Todd Munkin could very well look and go,
17:29yeah, we really like Shador Sanders coming out of the draft.
17:31Maybe we would have really drafted him coming out of there,
17:33but he didn't want to come here.
17:34And then he could have looked at the tape and goes,
17:36boy, when he was playing against us, he was not ready to go in there,
17:39and he still wasn't ready to really be playing.
17:41And maybe the redshirt conversation was right,
17:43and he could look at it and go, yeah, again,
17:45you weren't ready to go in last year.
17:47You got thrown into the mix.
17:48You're not ready to start this year.
17:50I'm not going to throw you into the mix.
17:52Take a breath, take a seat, take a breath,
17:54and get ready because he may very well come in.
17:57I think that's going to upset a lot of people.
17:58It would upset me just because I have to talk about Deshaun Watson.
18:01That's all.
18:02But if Deshaun Watson goes out there and wins 11 games,
18:05what am I going to say?
18:06And it all goes away.
18:07And when we say winning is the key,
18:09that's what it really comes down to.
18:10The Browns, all the other things that I always say during the season,
18:13I know when the Browns, working a little bit in this business now,
18:18the problem is with the Browns is we don't talk football
18:21because there's always so much extra stuff.
18:23And I think with Todd Munkin,
18:24he's going to be a guy that's going to focus on football.
18:26So we talk about the picture.
18:28We talk about all these things.
18:29There's going to be a new focus on football.
18:31And I don't know if that hurt.
18:33I agree with you.
18:34When Kevin left, that was the worst thing for Shador.
18:37And people were like, what do you mean?
18:39Because now it's an even keel.
18:40It's even slate.
18:41And who are the better guys is going to play?
18:44And it can't be about I told you so.
18:46And that's right now it's the I told you so.
18:49Or if I was to say, well, Shador had trouble protecting the football.
18:52He did.
18:53And people want to say, well, look at what Dylan did.
18:55I don't care.
18:57I'm going to use a mean-spirited word.
18:59And I don't mean to do it this way.
19:00I think Kevin became a patsy in so many ways.
19:03I don't think that Todd is going to be a patsy.
19:06No.
19:07You would hope not.
19:08He has seen the dysfunction here.
19:10He has admitted he was one of the creators of the dysfunction here in 2019, which does take a lot
19:15of guts to go out there and admit something like that.
19:17I've got to give him a lot of credit for that.
19:19But if he's going to come in here, he's going to make his decision.
19:22If he's seen it, you've all seen it.
19:24Nobody here trusts the front office.
19:26He doesn't trust the front office either.
19:28He saw it in 19.
19:29You think he comes back to this situation thinking everything's going to be different?
19:32So he's going to make his decision.
19:34And if he's not going to make his decision, if he doesn't get to, I bet there's going to be
19:37plenty of ways that we know he didn't get to make that decision.
19:39I don't think we're going to have to sit there and listen to Mike Tomlin or listen to other guys
19:44on television, other guys who are around, kind of give us little hints on why a guy might not be
19:50able to make a decision like we had to listen to with Kevin last year.
19:53I think that he'll come right out and say it.
19:55And because of that, they're going to give him the power to go ahead and pick that quarterback.
19:59And the only thing I can hope for is that it's left to the football, which it will be, and
20:04that Shador Sanders outperforms Deshaun Watson.
20:07But the more I say it, the less likely I think it's going to be.
20:11It's not based on workout videos.
20:12It's based on you had a guy who was behind in the offense coming in last year.
20:17Now you've switched the offense.
20:19He's doing everything he can to catch up with that offense.
20:22Deshaun Watson has played at a high level in this league before.
20:25And when they go to OTAs, Lance, they're going to play against air.
20:28So you're going to go from no contact, drills, a little bit of seven-on-seven, I'm guessing, to training
20:36camp.
20:36Well, if I can only go by a little bit of seven-on-seven where I'm just having guys tap
20:39each other, I think one guy's going to have the upper hand.
20:42I think it's going to end up being Deshaun Watson.
20:44I want it to be Shador, but I think it's going to end up being Deshaun.
20:47And I don't know how the fan base is going to take it because it's like, well, you better win.
20:52Because when Shador didn't win, it was like, all right, we just have to maybe move on.
20:55When Deshaun didn't win, it meant what we gave up to get Deshaun.
21:00And now there's all those feelings that come around again.
21:03Maybe it's been long enough for everybody.
21:04Maybe they won't care as much as they used to.
21:06Well, you know, here's the thing.
21:07And all those things are very, very true.
21:09And with Deshaun Watson, what you gave up is another thing that really hurts a lot of people.
21:15And the only way to kind of get out of that, like you're talking about, we're only going to see
21:20seven on seven.
21:21That's where I'm interested to see Todd Munkin's, now of Todd Munkin's practice, quarterbacks never get hit.
21:27That's the truth.
21:28However, the rest of the guys can play around, be a little bit more physical.
21:32And the thing that was hard last year when they said there was quarterback competition,
21:35I didn't care if it was two guys or four guys.
21:37Everybody complained about that.
21:38It's that there's not live practice.
21:40So, you know, for me, it's the idea, can they create competition with the quarterbacks
21:45and then people see that Deshaun's better or see that Shador's better
21:49so they can actually be happy with the decision.
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