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00:00Let's talk Mary Kay Cabot. She was on with Baskin and Phelps and she obviously spent all week at
00:04the owners meeting and she hung out with everybody and she after going through Andrew
00:08Berry's comments and then going through Jimmy Haslam's comments and then Todd Munkin's comments
00:11this was her takeaway at the owners meeting in a week that was around the Browns quarterback
00:16situation. I think one of the biggest things to come out of it was just how effusive Jimmy was
00:23in his praise of Deshaun Watson and how excited this organization is to see what he can do and
00:28to see if perhaps they can salvage something from that blockbuster trade and you never know. I mean
00:33give him the opportunity and and see where it can take you. Having said that however I left there
00:39not having a great handle on whether the lean is towards Deshaun or Shadour right now. I think
00:47they're really going to take a look at it and and let the best man win and that is providing
00:52that
00:53they don't also bring in another quarterback which they very well might do. So it's still up in the
00:57air and there's still plenty of time before the opener. What's interesting about that and I want
01:02to hear from you guys 216-474-0092 is it leaning one way or another if you asked me who
01:06was not at
01:07the owners meeting I would say it unequivocally felt like it leaned Shadour Sanders but is that me
01:12just burying my head in the sand because I want it to be Shadour Sanders and I don't want it
01:16to be
01:16Deshaun Watson. Yes I think so because you you forget the chain of command in Berea okay. I don't
01:26forget that I mean it's always everything runs through Jimmy. Right and so what Jimmy wants Jimmy
01:32gets. Is this kind of like last year when Jimmy said hey I want to see both rookie quarterbacks at
01:36some point and then we ended up getting both rookie quarterbacks playing. Yep yep and so I
01:41I I'm leaning the opposite direction. I'm leaning toward Deshaun because is you heard Mary Kay say
01:49right there just just how effusive in his praise of Deshaun that Jimmy was and how optimistic he is
01:55and and and and and how this could go from a swing and a miss to a home run if
02:01he can start and play
02:02well right. Yeah and Jimmy's always the wild card in this scenario and it's the part that throws
02:07everything out of whack and and sometimes when it seems like the Browns are about to do something
02:11sensible they completely pivot and do the uh just the moronic thing essentially uh for lack of a
02:17better term. Yeah what Jimmy wanted them to do. That's what it ends up being right that's that's
02:20how you end up in these scenarios where it feels like oh they have a plan they have a plan
02:24they're
02:24about to execute this plan and then uh complete left turn right into the wall on the side of the
02:29highway and typically when that happens and when it doesn't seem congruent with what they've been
02:33trying to build up that's where you think Jimmy has stepped in here. I think that there might
02:37already be a difference of opinion. I think Todd certainly sounds like it relative to what Munkin
02:42was saying right over the past couple days and that's what I was getting at uh is that you have
02:49Jimmy talking up Deshaun and then you go the next day or you know two days later I should say
02:56and you listen to Todd Munkin and it sounds like he's talking up Shador Sanders. Oh he's in the
03:02building all the time it's been really great to be around him right you know the the horsehead
03:06mannequin is on my shelf and by the way if Deshaun gets me some I'd put it up there too
03:11or whatever
03:11but like it just it it felt like that Munkin might be leaning Shador's way Jimmy's leading Deshaun's way
03:20and we know how that movie's going to end. Now what I think is going to be interesting leading up
03:25to
03:25the draft because we keep having the Ty Simpson conversation uh you know they're gonna do a a
03:31private workout with him uh here at some point leading up to the draft which they should do by the
03:36way so like I'm not gonna sit here and you know hot take you about whether or not the Browns
03:40should
03:40be wasting their time on Ty Simpson. No they're doing their due diligence and I'm not gonna criticize
03:44them for doing what they're supposed to do going into the draft as long as they do what they're
03:49supposed to do during the draft and that is don't draft Ty Simpson but um yeah it you're going to
03:57be a couple of weeks before the draft into your offseason program which hopefully Deshaun and
04:02Shador will be in the building for a couple of weeks and while there might not be a lot of
04:08on the
04:08field work that takes place because they're not allowed to do that yet but it is the advantage you
04:12start that sooner uh the fact of the matter is you're going to be around those guys and maybe you
04:17can get a little spidey sense about where each of those players is and maybe that informs your
04:22approach in the draft. But what you're describing to me what you're telling me about the Chador and
04:27Deshaun Watson stuff is the idea that Todd Munkin does not in fact actually be able to have the say
04:31in the call as to who the starting quarterback will be this year. You think Kevin Stefanski had a lot
04:35of
04:36say in calling who the starting quarterbacks were? I want to hear you say it only because they've been
04:40trying to preach this message they've been trying to it was it was Jimmy himself and then it was Andrew
04:44Barry over this week trying to tell everybody that it'll be Todd Munkin's call and then Todd Munkin
04:48there's a part of me that Todd Munkin I don't know that he's aware of how this works over here
04:52quite
04:53yet. He's about to find out and that's the scary part that's the part that I'm going to get worried
04:57about because Todd Munkin is a straight shooter and Todd Munkin doesn't have it in him to play the
05:01the the puppet game that essentially Kevin Stefanski was. Stefanski was very good at playing the game that he
05:07was supposed to play. Well he was a good company man say a lot about him but he was a
05:11good company man
05:12and he was able to it was a good soldier when it came to what they wanted to do. Yep
05:15hey I went
05:15for two because that's what it said on the sheet to do. I don't know that Todd Munkin has the
05:20capability to be that guy like the part that I would worry about when you hire somebody that is
05:24as straight shooter as Todd Munkin is and as football lifer as he is is I how's it going to
05:30go
05:30when Todd Munkin's like I love Shador I think Shador is the answer there's a reason why I talk him
05:34up as
05:34much as I do and then oh wait so can you answer the question of why you're starting to Sean
05:38Watson instead
05:39and he doesn't have a good answer for it. I think it's going to be painfully obvious that he doesn't
05:43have a good answer for it and if I'm Todd Munkin I turn around and I end up getting pissed
05:46about the
05:47whole ordeal and I just don't think that's how you last for a lot of you know three four five
05:51years
05:52with that setup if that's how that is and I get it he had to dance for his dollar a
05:56little bit
05:56Daryl he had to he wanted to be a head coach in the NFL this is what comes with that
06:01I get it but at
06:02the end of the day if you're wearing golden handcuffs they're still handcuffs. Yeah this is this is what
06:08comes with this job he's going to have to entertain people in the middle of practice
06:12on the field. But it just makes me angry because this is exactly why no one takes us seriously in
06:17the job search. I know like this is it this is why you didn't ski and shield house were like
06:21yeah
06:21I'd rather be I'd rather be an elevated offensive coordinator than being a head coach in the in the
06:25NFL I'll get my opportunity a couple years down the line I'm not going to do that here. Oh I
06:29still
06:30maintain the Cleveland Browns it it is the worst first time head coach job experience you
06:38could have. It really is. I stand by it. The history is the history and the facts from that
06:45history back me up. Yeah I want to play this clip for you because it's going to go in exactly
06:49what
06:49we've been talking about. We're asking you does Jimmy Haslam want Deshaun Watson to win the job
06:52and I think it's interesting because I think Daryl and I both agree Jimmy Haslam gets what Jimmy
06:57Haslam wants that's kind of the theme. I don't want to go all Mike Forio on everyone where I'm just
07:01like yeah so as long as Jimmy Haslam owns the team you're going to have this problem this problem
07:06this problem because I do think there's positives that Jimmy brings to the table but ultimately if
07:11Jimmy wants a quarterback to play Jimmy's going to get that quarterback to play and so I do wonder
07:17about that relationship Daryl and I wonder about the idea that I mean I can't have it leave my brain
07:21that Jimmy Haslam after paying Deshaun Watson 230 million dollars in guaranteed money and being laughed
07:27at by the other owners still went to the man's wedding like there's there's a relationship there
07:31there's something attached to that that I just I can't shake and that's why when it seems so
07:36maddening that Deshaun's involved in all these convos if you follow the green brick road and then go back
07:42to Haslam you're typically going to find somebody that looks at Deshaun Watson way different than
07:46everybody else does. Yeah and there is something to be said for wanting to try and squeeze something
07:51anything out of that investment regardless of how I perceive the outcome to eventually be which by the
07:59way I feel like I'm going to be dead right on that but I think you will be it's easy
08:03to sit there and
08:04say that versus okay you know let's go ahead and prove it and um I do feel like this is
08:12going to set
08:12up similar to how last season unfolded you'll start Deshaun one of two things is going to happen he's
08:18either not going to play well and you're going to bench him uh to give Shadur the opportunity or
08:24you know and I don't wish this to happen but there the possibility he gets injured again
08:29uh you know he's he's he's had two straight two straight season ending injuries that have
08:35cost him significant time now wait is that is that are we doing something with the superstition
08:39guys there or no that only applies to baseball oh that's only applies to baseball specific
08:43I didn't know this I'm learning I'm baseball specific here okay um but that's new I didn't know
08:51that did I save that one Mac I didn't buy it I mean I think it's an interesting little asterisk
09:00that we're throwing on there but you see the more and more time we spend more and more time
09:04we spend around the superstition laws the more and more they crack the more the more and more
09:08we're penetrating through I guess I just didn't read that fine print I missed that one as well
09:13and you're you're probably right though like if you had to bet money on it the man would probably
09:16end up being injured or just those are the most likely outcomes right that's what we've seen every
09:20year that he's been in a browns uniform more so that he's going to play like he did in houston
09:23where he's you know lighting it up in garbage time and the texans win four games and put together
09:28a season that's only been done four other times in nfl history yeah that's winning four games yeah
09:32uh-huh yeah so we're not going to happen most like well I could definitely the browns winning
09:37four games is 100 on the table let's let's let's be very clear about that but you know back to
09:43your point right there are advantages to having an owner who's willing to invest both on and off
09:50the field the cash capital that he's willing to invest the the nobody has spent more on their
09:56payroll in each of the last three seasons than the cleveland browns there have been many a year
10:00where the cleveland browns have been top five in nfl cash spending okay there there are advantages
10:07that hey you need a new weight room fine here's 10 million dollars we'll add on to the building and
10:11get make sure you have a new weight room post pandemic oh you you're practicing the fields are
10:17frozen there in december for you and you need to be able to practice okay fine here's a couple
10:21million dollars let's put some heaters under the fields and now you can practice uh in december
10:26right with without having frozen fields like he's willing to spend anything he can to win and that and
10:32that is why I will always defend him and the ownership group when it comes to fans saying oh they
10:40don't
10:40care about winning no they care about winning they just don't know how to do it there's a difference
10:45there they're willing to invest whatever it takes to win they just don't know how to do it they don't
10:50know how to find the uh the the players to do it the whether it's volume quantity quality whatever
10:57right they just they haven't been able to figure out the elements for sustained success but they're
11:03willing to invest anything and everything to try and find their way to the gold at the end of the
11:10rainbow and I buy that by the way I do I mean it's very similar to me I think it's
11:14not jerry jones
11:15I always think I'm like jerry jones light but uh like there's a lot of similarities between the two
11:20for myself hasham doesn't love the spotlight as much as jerry jones does right but the idea that
11:24there's a there's a dedication to winning that is obvious there he just doesn't have the roadmap to it
11:29and he can't find it and he doesn't have the awareness to say I need to not be involved as
11:33much as I
11:33am in order to get this to actually work well I keep pointing out that the most successful year for
11:38the
11:38Browns as a franchise came during the pandemic yeah nobody else was around nobody was around
11:44the team it was it was football only the players and granted those were the rules at the time right
11:49I mean they literally built a wall in the building but even in that stretch and I've talked about this
11:53before the stretch that they had even from the pandemic and coming out of it Jimmy I've always
11:58related this to the the the Knicks owner Dolan uh because when he went and built the sphere in Las
12:04Vegas he was distracted for a couple years and he's building this big sphere in Las Vegas and having
12:08all these these million dollar events that he was trying to get going and doing all this and what
12:13happened to the Knicks basketball team they became good all of a sudden they got out of that rut and
12:17they started having success and it's like well where's Dolan Dolan's off in Las Vegas he's building
12:21other things he's distracted and I always thought that Jimmy kind of did something similar for a couple
12:26year stretch because he was involved with the crew and he was involved in all these other little
12:29enterprises yeah the box like all these little other things that he was trying to do and I just I
12:34thought that was really good for the Browns because like Dolan with the Knicks he was just kind of
12:38off doing these other projects now that between that and even the stadium stuff has all kind of
12:43settled itself right Jimmy's back in the mix and he's back in the mix in a big time way and
12:47so
12:47I just I don't know where Dan Gilbert with the Cavs similar situation as well like you just you get
12:52these owners distracted for a little bit and you and you notice that these teams that they've run into
12:56the ground in many ways they all of a sudden start to show life and they start to all of
13:01a sudden be
13:01different versions of what we've come to know and I just don't think that's an accident well and part of
13:06that's the the competitive nature of of of that business as well where as the owner not only you
13:11willing to spend but you're like okay what can I do to help right and sometimes what you can do
13:16to
13:17help actually ends up being a net negative rather than a net positive it's not that you're trying to
13:21be a distraction or you're you're trying to get in the way or anything like that it's just you're
13:28trying to help but you're really not helping while you're trying to help if that makes sense it makes
13:33sense and and I think that that is something that we've seen that with the Browns over the years so
13:39you know it's hard to criticize someone someone in an ownership group that's willing to spend that
13:47wants to win worse than anyone but also at the same time sometimes when they are helping it it does
13:54end up being maybe a little too much help and you just got to take a step back the other
13:58problem
13:58though for them and I realize like I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth but I want to
14:02be fair to
14:03the situation and I want to present like all sides when he has when ownership has taken a step back
14:09right hey we hired the people we're letting them do their thing those people have not done their jobs
14:15those people have taken advantage of the situation sure and so that now the lesson becomes well I guess
14:22I just can't turn this thing over to people that I've hired to do it I have to be involved
14:26all right
14:27so all right back to the main topic though and I want you guys at 216-474-0092 uh the
14:31if you put
14:32ourselves if we put ourselves in the Jimmy Haslam's thought process and this is this is the sad reality
14:36that I had in discussing this Daryl I want Shador I have not been shy about that he might suck
14:41I don't
14:42know I want to find out I'm with you I want to see the same thing I think that there's
14:45more to gain
14:46by playing Shador this fall than playing Deshaun Watson but does the same logic for myself and how I
14:52think about Shador where I'm like if 2026 if he stinks then you're in a great spot for the
14:572027 draft but if he's awesome then I look at it like then he's on a cheap quarterback deal which
15:02is obviously the greatest thing you can have in the NFL especially coming off the Deshaun contract
15:06but if I put myself into Jimmy Haslam's shoes is he looking at Deshaun Watson as a free roll of
15:11sorts is he looking at it like well if Deshaun's great then I can put all the blame on Stefanski
15:17I
15:17can start to justify that big contract that is considered the worst trade in NFL history and it all of
15:23a sudden
15:23it doesn't look as bad and maybe we got something and we can actually work this thing out and we
15:27can
15:27just blame it all on Stefanski we can go that route and if he stinks then guess what I'm riding
15:32shotgun
15:33for Arch Manning at pick number one in the 2027 draft like I like you see how that scenario when
15:37you play it out in in only Jimmy Haslam's eyes not what's best for the fans not what I think
15:42is
15:42actually best for the organization long term long term but like if you put it in Jimmy Haslam's eyes and
15:47his eyes alone I could see how he thinks that's the right call I could see how he thinks to
15:52himself
15:53I'm going to get myself out of this one way or another but I'm going to I'm going to win
15:56-win spot
15:57here because either Deshaun shows me that he had it the entire time and it was Stefanski's problem
16:02or we're locked in for Arch Manning and that's what I really want anyway in 2027 100% and and
16:07like I
16:08said there's there's a lot of whether you agree disagree how things have been run or the decision
16:13that have been made you can justify some most of them most of them you can justify even if they
16:20have been tremendously awful you can sit there and justify I can sit there and justify trading for
16:26Deshaun doing what it took to get him because you had already blown up the relationship with Baker
16:31that was no longer tenable or salvageable you were already knee deep in the Deshaun sweepstakes even
16:36though he told you no like at the time the thought was hey the juice was absolutely going to be
16:41worth
16:42the squeeze uh if he came and he won fans weren't going to worry about what he was accused of
16:47off
16:47the field and guess what here's the thing Jonathan the Browns were right about that they really were
16:54okay and and and so like all right I get why they were desperate and that's what led them down
17:04that
17:04path but I I kind of feel like they're back to desperation again I know I agree with that
17:09216-474-0092 Norm in Kent batting weed off today hello Norm hey how you guys doing good how are
17:17you
17:17where's the thanks for taking my call thanks no we'll do the thanks for the call when you're done
17:25but uh but yeah but uh as a homage to the left who's supposed to say I had no choice
17:31but can but move
17:32over to my topic so Dee Podesta is what's ruined this claim team over the last 10 years
17:38and let me explain why I mean let's just go to like when John Dorsey was was hired and fired
17:45could you imagine being John Dorsey being in football your entire life being a football guy
17:50and you're at you know you're you're at the the war table at the draft and you got a baseball
17:54guy
17:55telling you who you should take wouldn't you want to smack that guy in the head
17:59do I want to smack deep yeah I'd have a problem with it hear me out or if you're Kevin
18:04Stefanky
18:05and you bust your butt and you you're two-time coach of the year you you know you've been on
18:10that
18:10field blah blah blah and you got Dee Podesta telling you about analytics and the and the offensive
18:15linemen get him out and say fine so he's ruined that like I think he's ruined the franchise like
18:21I think this franchise would be some would be a winning franchise if if Dorsey was still here for
18:27instance you know what I mean oh I love Dorsey so I agree with that and thank you Norm we're
18:30up
18:31against it I appreciate you unfortunately he hired Freddie Kitchens and drafted Baker Mayfield over
18:35Josh Allen yeah but he also drafted uh Baker Mayfield Denzel Ward and Nick Chubb and had us in
18:43what I believe to be is the best stretch of Browns football we've had in 25 years I I ride
18:46with
18:47Dorsey I'm a Dorsey apologist
18:48you
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