00:00Chris Rose just said it.
00:01Three weeks of at-bats, not going to make a difference with Travis Pazana.
00:05He was good last weekend, kind of cooled off a little bit this week,
00:09but that's all right.
00:10Okay.
00:11It's early.
00:12I can't wait until this guy is in a Guardians uniform
00:17and starting at second base.
00:19Andy, I'm anxious for it.
00:21We just got to make sure he sticks.
00:22Can I play devil's advocate for you?
00:24Yeah, I know the devil's advocate side
00:26because I understand where you're going with it,
00:28and I really don't have a problem with it.
00:30Chris is right.
00:32Three weeks of at-bats won't make a difference.
00:36But there's this.
00:38He's hitting 200 right now.
00:40Yeah.
00:40No, no, no.
00:41Hang on.
00:42It's not just that.
00:43Okay.
00:44He's hitting 200 right now.
00:46Last year, at three levels of the minors,
00:50he played some rookie games, seven.
00:52He played in the Eastern League, 51 games, and AAA, 26 games.
00:57He hit .245 last year.
01:03And his OPS, very good.
01:06It was over eight.
01:08And Dan's magic number is 72, which is major league average,
01:12but his OPS in the minors was .813.
01:16720.
01:17What did I say?
01:1872.
01:20Oh, okay.
01:20Well, that's what I'm – sorry.
01:24.720 there.
01:25It's 7-2.
01:26There you go.
01:27You see where I'm going.
01:28I know.
01:29I see where you're going.
01:30My thought is this.
01:32If the guy hasn't hit any better than .245 in a season in the minors,
01:37and he's only in his third season in the minors right now,
01:42is he major league ready?
01:45I can't wait until he is, and as soon as he is,
01:49he's my starting second baseman.
01:52But if you hit only .245 last year in the minors,
01:56and you're hitting only .200 now, are you major league ready,
02:00or are we just all excited because he was the number one overall pick,
02:03and we think he has to be here now?
02:04No, I think the .200 for this year is kind of a – I don't know.
02:11Right now it's an aberration.
02:12It's fake.
02:13It's fake because he's only had 15 at-bats.
02:14Yeah, I mean, his first – I think seven at-bats were –
02:17I think he had four hits in his first seven at-bats,
02:20and then he struggled this week a little bit at the plate.
02:23He's scuffling maybe.
02:24I guess that's a better word.
02:25But it's scuffling first.
02:26He's just had a couple of outs.
02:28Yeah, he's just made a couple of outs.
02:29Yeah, it's a series.
02:30So I'm not – the .200 that's sticking next to his name right now
02:33doesn't mean anything, but we'll talk about it.
02:35So, I mean, he is a .242 career minor league hitter.
02:39Well, great.
02:39That makes you about .210 in the majors, maybe.
02:41Well, but I don't know if this is true.
02:43Like, if you ask people that watched him hit at spring training –
02:46I know at spring training – looked like a professional hitter.
02:49If you watched him in the World Baseball Classic,
02:52you didn't question whether he was a professional hitter at that point during that.
02:56So I think he's right there.
02:58He is swimming to shore.
03:01He's very close to shore.
03:03But what Chris said about service time is the part that would aggravate me
03:09if that's why they're holding him back.
03:11And Chris is right about selling jerseys and just –
03:15but I don't want him to come here and be a flop.
03:17So that's where I'll play devil's advocate on your side.
03:20If he's not ready, then he's not ready.
03:23But if he's not ready because of service time, that is aggravating.
03:30It's aggravating as a fan.
03:32Do you think that's the case?
03:34I don't think that's the case.
03:35Well, they did it with Lindor.
03:36You know they did.
03:37We all know they did it with Lindor.
03:39But as Chris said, the rules have changed.
03:41Yeah, but you're talking about still you've got to be 1-2 in rookie of the year voting.
03:45And Skeens broke the mold and probably aggravated the you-know-what out of the Pirates
03:51because he was able to do that.
03:54I don't know.
03:55Is Travis Bozana going to be the rookie of the year?
03:57I don't know.
03:59And I really – today I don't care.
04:01It's a long season.
04:02I do want to see if a guy they deemed worthy of being the best player in baseball at that
04:10given time is ready to play.
04:13Otherwise, did they make a mistake with their first ever number one overall pick?
04:18Ah.
04:19I mean, Andrew Barry gets killed on a daily basis for what he did in the draft.
04:24We never hardly ever talk about what the Guardians did in the draft and how they may have helped
04:29or hurt the franchise.
04:31All you know is, you know what?
04:33Last time they went out there, they grabbed a bunch of hitters.
04:35And before that, they used to grab a bunch of pitchers.
04:38I mean, it's just big picture stuff when we talk about drafting for the Guardians.
04:43This is different.
04:44This is the number one overall selection in this draft.
04:48And I don't care what you say about comparing this – not you.
04:52Somebody else in the room who's on the other side of the glass.
04:54Comparing it to football or comparing it to another sport because it's not the same.
05:00But when you pick someone number one, there's something special about that.
05:05I don't care what sport.
05:07Four first overall picks in the MLB draft.
05:09You're going to make me do this off the top of my head?
05:11Come up.
05:12If you can give me four first overall picks in the NFL draft, hell, you can give me four
05:16first overall picks in the NBA draft.
05:18Give me four.
05:19Stop.
05:20I'm all –
05:20Seriously?
05:21If it's that big of a deal, if it's that, we have to be locked in on –
05:24He's got you, dude.
05:26What, for number one overall picks?
05:28All schemes.
05:28Of all times?
05:29Jackson Holliday.
05:30I'm just saying.
05:31Rick Monday.
05:32You're going to tell me –
05:33It's clicking.
05:33Why?
05:34Just because I don't have a computer memory brain.
05:36But I can sit here and tell you, you know, Manning, Carr.
05:39What do you want to say?
05:40Those guys?
05:41Absolutely.
05:42Quarterbacks?
05:42Absolutely.
05:43Jamarcus Russell.
05:44There.
05:44There's one for you.
05:47Tim Couch.
05:47There you go.
05:49Right.
05:49Okay, I can tell you the football, guys.
05:52No, he said NFL.
05:53No.
05:54Yes, you did.
05:55I said give me four for the Major League Baseball draft.
05:58That's how this whole thing started.
06:00Give me four for the Major League Baseball draft.
06:02First overall picks.
06:04Jeff, give him three.
06:05Give him two.
06:05You can do it for the NFL draft.
06:07Can you do it for the MLB draft?
06:09Jackson Holliday.
06:09Or the NBA draft.
06:10Rick Monday.
06:11Notice how we can't do it.
06:12Rick Monday.
06:12Go way back with Rick Monday.
06:13There you go.
06:14Let me twist what I said earlier.
06:18Though his best batting average in the Miners is 245.
06:22It was last year he hit 245.
06:24I mean, it was his first full year in the Miners.
06:26Would you guys agree with this?
06:28I don't think numbers are going to dictate when Bazzana is brought up.
06:34Though he's not had great success in the Miners,
06:37I think what's going to dictate whether he's brought up is do they like what he's doing at the plate?
06:45Do they like his swing?
06:46Do they like how he's handling things?
06:49And I think that will dictate when he's brought up as opposed to absolute results at the plate.
06:55Would you agree?
06:59Yeah, I think.
07:00Yes.
07:01I'm sitting here debating this whole argument that I probably knew Conor Bedard and Jack Hughes and Conor McDavid before
07:08I knew these baseball guys.
07:09Absolutely.
07:11I mean, and it's not meant to be.
07:12I don't really care about the NHL, but I knew those guys off the top of my head.
07:15But it's not meant to be a slam on anybody for not knowing.
07:17It's the crapshoot that the Major League Baseball draft is.
07:21It's the big crapshoot that it is.
07:23I mean, we could go Paul Skeens, Bryce Harper, Steven Strasburg, Adley Rushman was first overall as well.
07:30But if you ask Orioles fans about Adley Rushman right now, they'll send him out because they've got a minor
07:34league prospect.
07:35Do you not want to see him?
07:37Do you not want to see Bazzana?
07:38What's holding you back on Bazzana?
07:40I want to see Bazzana.
07:41I understand that.
07:42I do, too.
07:42I want him to come up here, and I want them to hand the keys to him for second base,
07:47and I want them to leave him here.
07:49None of us are arguing that point.
07:51And so I want to make 120% sure that that dude is ready to come up here and rake.
07:57And you're like me.
07:58You're not convinced that he is.
07:59And I'm not convinced because he was banged up a lot of last year.
08:03And so I want to see him come out between AA and AAA and roll.
08:07And if he's rolling in June, get him up.
08:10Because that way he understands what he's going to be going up against between guys on rehab assignments and going
08:16up against better quality than he will at AA.
08:18That's my biggest thing with Travis Bazzana.
08:20I'm tired of watching Gabriel Arias swing really, really hard.
08:23Okay, so wouldn't you rather see...
08:25But, Andy, you don't want him to come up here and stink.
08:27That would be terrible.
08:28But you're assuming he's going to stink.
08:30No, no.
08:31What we're doing is trusting their evaluation of when he's going to be ready to come up.
08:36But I'm going to ask you this.
08:37When he's going to be ready to come up.
08:38There's one part of you that didn't believe what Chris Rose was saying as we watched what they did with
08:43Lindor that's saying,
08:45Hey, and I don't care.
08:47The new rules are minuscule when you're talking about 1-2.
08:50Let's be super honest about that.
08:52There's no part of you that's saying, you know, the Guardians may be holding him back because of service time.
08:57True or false?
08:59Not a question.
09:00True or false?
09:01Is there any chance the Guardians could be holding him back because of service time?
09:04Possibly.
09:04But I don't think so.
09:06False.
09:07Why are you saying false?
09:08I'm sorry, Jeff.
09:08It says it's changed.
09:10I say false because it's changed.
09:12I mean, what were the odds of Skeens coming up and being the rookie of the year?
09:15High.
09:16Yeah, they were really good because he's throwing 102 as a starter.
09:19I get it.
09:19That guy at LSU was just like, you were dropping...
09:21But the Pirates didn't think so.
09:22And those are the guys that are doing the evaluation.
09:24You mean the Pirates who have the number one prospect in all of Major League Baseball and
09:27he's sitting in the minor leagues right now and kicking butt?
09:30Yeah.
09:30He's doing great.
09:31And?
09:32Connor Griffin.
09:33Why isn't he up there?
09:34Why isn't he up there?
09:35I don't know.
09:36You tell me.
09:36Because they're keeping him back because of service time.
09:39Because they're not sure he's quite ready yet.
09:42I'm sorry, guys.
09:42Listen, I don't trust...
09:44Same thing, Cole Emerson just gets $95 million from Seattle.
09:47Where is he playing?
09:48In the minors.
09:48It's what Chris Rose said that sets me off.
09:51That makes me crazy.
09:52That if they're holding him back because of service time...
09:55Do you guys not trust Chris Rose?
09:57Do we not respect Chris Rose as a baseball expert?
10:00I do.
10:00But I don't think they are.
10:01I respect...
10:02I do not think they are.
10:02So why would Chris Rose go out there and say something like that?
10:05Because he's a fan like us and a very educated fan.
10:08Because in the same way that you are right now...
10:10I think you guys are living in conservative land, man.
10:13They have a history of playing that game.
10:15And that history is what's playing into your thought right now.
10:18That's exactly right.
10:19It's the history of the franchise.
10:20The difference is that right now we are in a different world than we were with Lindor.
10:25Because with Lindor, we didn't have the rules where these guys were getting service time
10:28if they finished high.
10:29Come on.
10:29It's two spots.
10:31Andy.
10:32You guys, it's insane to think that.
10:34And this dude...
10:35And if he is good enough and if he's in that conversation, then we can yell and scream
10:39about it later.
10:40I want to make sure this dude is good to roll.
10:43And I haven't seen it yet in the minors to make me think, yep, right now bring him up
10:47because he's never going back.
10:50You watched the World Baseball Classic, didn't you?
10:53I know you did.
10:54I saw some...
10:55I didn't watch a boatload of Japan.
10:56I'm not going to lie.
10:56Did you...
10:57And we kind of were watching Bazzana all the way through training, through spring training,
11:01right?
11:02Yeah.
11:02Everybody's had an eye on the guy.
11:04In this area.
11:05Andy, Andy.
11:05We all can't wait for him to get here.
11:07Do you not trust this front office?
11:09No.
11:09Not in this aspect.
11:11I don't.
11:12I don't trust them.
11:14And Dan, you'll sit here and talk about how do you expect them to spend more money?
11:17Well, guess what?
11:18If you're not spending money, why wouldn't you hold a guy back because of service time?
11:23That's the point.
11:25The point is that it shouldn't matter.
11:28Like, Chris put it back in my head that if they're holding him back because of service
11:33time, that's ridiculous.
11:34But that's an if.
11:35Who wants to see Bazzana now?
11:36That's what I'll ask you.
11:37But that's an if.
11:38If, who wants to see Bazzana?
11:40They've done it before.
11:42That's the problem.
11:42That doesn't mean they're doing it now.
11:44Okay.
11:44Don't look at history ever to see what somebody might do in the future.
11:48True or false?
11:48We do it all the time.
11:49But Andy, just because they did it before doesn't mean they're doing it now.
11:53It's not like the guy's hitting .350.
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