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00:00Peter, I have to say that with us now he will undergo, let's say not torture, but a very bad experience.
00:09because now we're going to let you hear a recording with a girl's voice, we heard it in the editorial office
00:16And that's the only way to describe it: chilling. So, what happened?
00:21Pietro is Manuela Orlandi's brother. How old were you when your sister passed away?
00:2724. You can ride a motorbike, sometimes you drove her to music school.
00:32So, it's July 17th, Manuela has been missing for 25 days, around 10.30 pm a reporter
00:38of ANSA
00:39receives a phone call and a young man, who speaks perfect Italian, informs that a tape has been left
00:46along the steps that lead from Via della Dataria to Piazza del Quirinale. The ANSA headquarters is on Via
00:51of the Dataria
00:52And, as you know, the President of the Republic lives in the Quirinale. There are two sides to this box.
00:58We will focus on that, never heard with you, we had never made you hear it,
01:03We hadn't heard it either, where there's a girl's voice. Is it Emanuela's?
01:09This is the first mystery. The second is why there are no voices of men who do exist.
01:14Why are they in the Secret Service transcript? We'll show you shortly.
01:19So, here's a snippet. This is a snippet from the side of the cassette, where a girl's voice is recorded.
01:25I repeat, we made this at this time because it's not a subject for minors. It's a horrifying recording.
01:58We are certain, absolutely certain, that you were there too.
02:00The voices of men, three men, because these men are cited in the SISDE report.
02:06But their voices disappear in the recording which is part of the investigation, which should be part of the investigation.
02:12They're not there. Why, whose voices are these? The tape was tampered with, it was censored.
02:18Here's the same part you heard before, but with the intelligence transcript,
02:23which shows that there are, or rather that there were, the voices of men too.
02:46So, you saw it clearly, we put the audio over the transcript of the intelligence document
02:53and we're talking about a voice, can we have this transcription reviewed, we're talking about, here it is, a Roman Italian male voice.
03:01So, at that point, Pietro, evidently there had to be the voice of an Italian man with a Roman accent,
03:09because they wrote it, so it was there.
03:11This voice is no longer there.
03:13So, in the audio, I repeat, the male voice is missing, where did it go?
03:19Now we ask you to pay particular attention because we want to let you hear the whole audio
03:25and read the accompanying intelligence document.
03:29Michele Bonica and I faithfully reconstructed the audio using the secret service transcript.
03:34But first you will hear what SISDE writes and then there is the voice of this girl who suffers and
03:40complains.
03:40The secret services send a confidential note and write this.
03:46I read to you what they wrote.
03:49According to what was reported by Emanuela's family, police officials,
03:53the woman's voice most likely corresponds to that of the young woman who disappeared on June 22nd.
03:59From listening to the recording it is clear that it was made
04:03while the girl was subjected to painful stimulations, of variable and progressively increasing intensity.
04:10Electric shocks? You hear groans and anguished cries for help.
04:16From listening to the tape, the impression was formed that the passive female subject
04:21was subjected to abuse, presumably of a sexual nature, by at least three people in a row.
04:28The active subjects appear to be of Italian nationality
04:32and two of them betray an accent similar to Roman.
04:36Background noise in the recording may indicate
04:40that the abuses took place in a closed environment, located in an urban center.
04:45The tape and phonetic transcription of the song in question are attached.
05:07The tape and phonetic transcription of the song in question are attached.
05:20Hey!
05:24Hey!
05:48B거�
05:50Ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch.
05:53Ouch, ouch.
05:57Madonna!
06:00Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
06:10It's a real enc verge.
06:16It's just an enc.
06:20Uvina, vova, vova, vova, vova, vova.
06:31Hate.
06:35Oh my God...
06:36Oh my god, ayuno.
06:38Not bad at all.
06:40Me too, holy shit.
06:42Hurry, hurry.
06:45Hazza, but...
06:50God, that hurts, that hurts, God, I'm letting myself sleep now.
06:59Oh God.
07:00Oh God, oh God.
07:04Oh God, oh God.
07:14Oh God, oh God.
07:27God, why? God, why? God, why? God, why? Oh my God.
07:40Pietro, obviously you gave us permission to play this tape because, after all, I'm over 33.
07:47It was necessary, it was a duty.
07:50And then there's one thing that's certain, your men disappear.
07:53Yes, also because at the time when the fact of this cassette came out I had never heard it.
08:01I heard it two months ago for the first time.
08:03So you didn't hear it? Your dad heard it?
08:06He had heard the opera, my uncle or someone else had heard it.
08:08But at the time they immediately reassured us by saying that we have ascertained that it is not Emanuela.
08:13because we also made the music teachers listen to it, so Sica, he also told Natalina,
08:19he said it's not Emanuela, so somehow we felt reassured.
08:22So you had discarded it?
08:23And then this fact came out that they had found out that these were clips from a pornographic film.
08:30and so for us it was almost a relief.
08:33When I listened to it again two months ago, regardless of whether it was Emanuela or not,
08:39although I have to honestly say some parts, maybe because they are, I don't know,
08:45but listening to them they gave me the impression that it could be Emanuela's voice, unfortunately, in some places.
08:53But the thing that struck me was precisely this, because this is the audio that they have in the prosecutor's office
08:58currently.
08:59Without the voice of men.
09:01Then the intelligence documents speak of three men.
09:04Yes, of course, two with Roman accents.
09:07Listen, Peter, I have to say that, well, your dad heard it, your uncle heard it too at the time.
09:13So what happened with Francesco Paolo del Re?
09:16We came to Natalina's house, your sister's, you were there, Natalina is there with her husband Andrea,
09:23who is also called Pietro Meneguzzi, Pietro like you, who is Emanuela's cousin,
09:27the son of Uncle Meneguzzi that you all saw.
09:29We spent a month together.
09:31You spent a month together.
09:32Because this is the problem, we made you hear it, because if it is really a film,
09:37clip from a movie, tell us.
09:40We should have been told this at the time.
09:41It's about this movie.
09:44Sure, it's about this movie, there's a mystery, but now let's see how they react somehow.
09:52the sister, Andrea, those who listen to the cassette with Francesco Paolo del Re.
10:06Emanuela is 15 years old and has just finished her second year of high school.
10:11She failed two subjects, Latin and French, but her true passion is music.
10:17In fact, he follows a flute course through, on Wednesdays and Fridays.
10:21He lives in the Vatican and takes the bus to get to his music school,
10:25the Ludovico da Vittoria Institute.
10:27The school is located in Santa Pollinare, adjacent to the Basilica, near Piazza Navona.
10:33On June 22nd, a Wednesday, he arrives late for class.
10:37What did he do in the minutes before entering school?
10:40Who did he meet?
10:43A pair of jeans, a white blouse and sneakers.
10:47Around his neck was a yellow and red armband, the colors of Roma, his favorite team.
10:52Emanuela is a very nice girl.
10:55Here you see her with her school on a TV show.
10:58Unfortunately he doesn't speak in these pictures,
11:00because it would have been very important to hear his voice today.
11:05Emanuela is never late, she always arrives home before dinner.
11:08But that Wednesday something happens.
11:12And 25 days later, at this point in Rome, a box is left.
11:18You see, there's an Italian flag at the bottom.
11:21The ANSA news agency is located in that building.
11:24Late in the evening of July 17, 1983, a phone call arrived.
11:30A phone call regarding the Emanuela Orlandi case.
11:32There's a man on the other end of the phone.
11:35The voice of a man telling the journalist
11:37Run along Via della Dataria, along this road.
11:40Reach the steps leading to the Quirinal,
11:43because on the steps you will find a cassette with the voice of Emanuela Orlandi.
11:49The recording is played to relatives,
11:52but then it remains closed for years in the archives of the Rome Prosecutor's Office.
11:56It is not considered important.
11:59And never, until now, has it been made public.
12:03We decided to listen to this tape together with Emanuela Orlandi's family.
12:08This is the first time they have all heard this recording together,
12:12because since the investigations started again, in 2005,
12:16no one ever made him listen to it again.
12:18And now the case has been closed again.
12:35Emanuela Orlandi
13:01But do you think it could resemble Emanuela's voice?
13:06I said it unfortunately, there are some sentences that struck me as soon as I heard it.
13:11What was said at the time, please let me sleep,
13:15or there are some expressions, some sentences.
13:18Obviously, many years have passed, so maybe I'm just being influenced.
13:22But when I listened to it, the first time I listened to it,
13:25I imagined Emanuela saying those sentences.
13:31At the time, the cassette was played by Emanuela's father and uncle.
13:36Their cousin Pietro also accompanied them to the police station.
13:40I remember that my father,
13:44he was quite convinced, I can tell you how full he is,
13:48quite convinced at the time, though...
13:50That it was...
13:51That it was...
13:51My uncle, now the ego a little bit,
13:55he was very upset,
13:58obviously shocked by this.
14:00He was more uncertain, that is, he didn't pronounce himself,
14:03that is, he was a little more uncertain about the intention.
14:04But I remember one thing,
14:06I remember them talking, that there were other voices.
14:09There is no doubt about that, there is no doubt about that.
14:12Male, female,
14:13they meant other voices, male for sure.
14:16On this tape they were talking about this thing.
14:22So, in the recording,
14:24there were also men's voices.
14:26The memory is clear in the memory of Emanuela Orlandi's cousin.
14:31But the male voices have disappeared
14:34on this version of the cassette
14:35which we made you listen to today for the first time.
14:39But to prove that the rumors existed,
14:42we also found some documents,
14:44the transcriptions made at the time
14:46by the secret service men.
14:49Then when I read the service documents,
14:52where they did the transcription
14:54and they told what was inside the box,
14:56they were talking about male voices,
14:57two with a Roman accent,
14:59then this cassette ended up in the prosecutor's office,
15:01without the voices,
15:02the cassette was tampered with.
15:05The SISDE document
15:06that describes the recording is this.
15:09We are talking about sexual abuse,
15:13to which a female subject
15:14is subjected to three men
15:16who appear to be of Italian nationality
15:19and two of them
15:20they betray an accent similar to Roman.
15:24These are precise details,
15:27useful for recognition,
15:29This tape was addressed to someone,
15:33definitely not to the family
15:35and the moment they understood
15:37that probably these male figures
15:41they could be recognizable,
15:44at that point they were deleted.
15:47But then who do they belong to?
15:49the male voices that someone made disappear
15:51from the recording?
15:55The voices could be anyone's.
15:57Of anyone, we don't know.
15:58Surely of people
15:59that were not supposed to be involved
16:01at the public level,
16:03because if you took them off...
16:05The voices of men have disappeared,
16:08but is the girl really Emanuela Orlandi?
16:18Or what we hear are snippets of laments,
16:21put together by someone
16:23for who knows what purpose,
16:25in a cruel way.
16:26I have to say that I don't...
16:29That is, it bothers me more
16:30the idea
16:32of a joke
16:34towards us
16:36in a moment of pain.
16:38I didn't like it badly.
16:40Help.
16:41Help.
16:46Of course, we don't understand why
16:47in the new investigation
16:49we didn't stop to think about it
16:50on this recording
16:51and above all
16:52on the missing male voices.
16:56It would have been important
16:57listen to it again a year ago
16:59when the investigation was not yet closed
17:00because there were still suspects.
17:02So having these voices
17:04it would have been important.
17:07No one has ever done it
17:08a sound assessment with whoever it may be.
17:09With all the elements that are there
17:11we can't stay like this.
17:14Close everything
17:15and give up on having justice.
17:18Why don't I treat myself like this?
17:20Why?
17:22Why?
17:23Why?
17:25If there was anyone
17:26that within the institutions
17:28let's not talk about crime
17:29within the institutions
17:30he manipulated this thing
17:31the prosecution cannot let this slide like this.
17:37What the family asks for
17:38is to be able to listen
17:40the full recording
17:41without manipulation.
17:48As the voices of men
17:49are transcribed
17:50it's obvious that someone
17:51he must have heard them
17:51and so there they are.
17:53For example there is a sentence
17:54that struck us
17:55what is this
17:55what does he say?
17:57we want to travel
17:58it seems to me
17:59if we can show
18:00the transcription
18:01of the SIS
18:02of the secret services
18:03there is this document
18:04what do we say?
18:05Here you are
18:06which explains the box
18:08you see it's written
18:09metallic voice
18:11in the background
18:12we want to travel
18:13us
18:14we repeat it
18:16we don't know
18:16if it's a joke
18:17in bad taste
18:18Anyway
18:18if voice of men
18:19but why
18:20if it was a movie
18:21they were removed
18:22the woman's voice
18:23also because
18:23if in '83
18:24there were available
18:25of the instruments
18:26to analyze
18:27a cassette
18:28Surely
18:29now there are other tools
18:31At that time
18:31I resent
18:33this short part
18:33because in the
18:34of the registration
18:35because in the
18:35transcription
18:36of the secret services
18:37we're talking
18:38of a number
18:38by phone
18:39that is, the male voice
18:41the voice
18:42sorry female
18:43he says
18:43it was better
18:44Here you are
18:45I had to give you
18:46that number
18:46by phone
18:47and then there is
18:49this male voice
18:49Italian
18:50Roman dialect
18:50actually
18:51to hear well
18:52the recording
18:53there's that phrase
18:54what did you say then
18:54You too
18:54Meaning what
18:55that you leave me
18:56sleep now
18:57and then
18:57I shouldn't have given it to you
18:59that number
18:59by phone
19:00let's listen to it again together
19:10Here you are
19:11it really seems like it
19:12that you leave me
19:12sleep now
19:13and not
19:14I had to give you
19:14that number
19:15by phone
19:15this is the part
19:17that at the time
19:17it had been cleaned
19:18but on purpose
19:19I repeat
19:19it should be now
19:20interest also
19:21of the prosecution
19:23go into detail
19:23this fact
19:24because it is about
19:25Always
19:25the secret services
19:26are part of
19:26of the State
19:27so you have
19:27manipulated
19:28a document
19:30audio so important
19:30now he has to tell us
19:31someone
19:32of the services
19:32of anyone
19:33etc.
19:34but these voices
19:35of men
19:35who heard it
19:36because they were
19:37removed
19:37why the box
19:38original
19:38must exist
19:39because if the services
19:40secrets
19:41they say
19:41it's about
19:42Perhaps
19:42of a little girl
19:43of a girl
19:44that comes
19:44served
19:45by three men
19:46really
19:46subjected to torture
19:47electric type
19:49things like that
19:49and so on
19:50someone
19:51he heard it
19:52where are they
19:52these voices
19:53of three men
19:53if it was a trivial thing
19:56there would be
19:56was written
19:57in the investigation
19:57or justify
19:58the whole thing
19:59or
19:59this box
20:02It comes from the movie
20:03such a detail
20:04and then we
20:05we will make the film heard
20:06and we will say
20:06look
20:07it was a great
20:08but then
20:08at least to me
20:09it's obvious
20:10whether it is
20:10by Emanuele Ommeno
20:11that's a girl
20:12who suffers
20:12at least some points
20:13of that audio
20:13Exactly
20:14breast
20:14they have to find us
20:15this movie
20:16At that time
20:16thanks Peter
20:17us now
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