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00:00Here he is, I see Peter, because we can't have guests in the studio, but we can have a guest
00:07in one of the rooms, also quite beautiful, on Viale Mazzini.
00:12So Peter, we are far away, but close.
00:17Can you say hello again because I can't hear Pietro Orlandi's audio?
00:21Can you hear me?
00:22Now I feel perfectly.
00:23Listen, Peter, I'd like to talk to you about two things.
00:27One who is quite disturbing, we see him later, Accetti, who had accused himself of the kidnapping of Manuela Orlandi
00:36and also of Mirella Gregori, considering that tomorrow, May 7th, is the anniversary of Mirella Gregori's kidnapping.
00:45He had accused himself, now what happens?
00:47We find out that he has a club, a disco, where he holds parties and where, well, yes, he somehow attracts
00:55girls and boys
00:56because they go to these parties there, a little girl was handcuffed and her mother decided to report it.
01:02But before going there to Accetti, I wanted to ask Pietro, so, they have yet another case closed, right?
01:10The Vatican premiere.
01:12Here, the first from the Vatican, but it's yet another archiving.
01:16So the bones that were in that tomb, says the Vatican, do not belong to your sister,
01:23the cemetery located inside the Vatican.
01:25But, there is a but, that is, have these bones been studied, Peter?
01:30No, that's the problem, because as you know, 26 bags of bones were found,
01:35not inside the tombs where we had made the complaint,
01:39but in another place, on their investigations, they discovered some botulisms, they found some bones,
01:46so they called the lawyer and us family members, our experts,
01:50and they took out 26 bags of bones which were examined by Professor Arcudi,
01:55who is not a forensic anthropologist, but is a medical examiner, in a day and a half.
01:59And the shocking thing is the type of analysis, because in my opinion they are not analyses,
02:03regardless of whether or not Emanuela was in there,
02:07but he analyzed this is old, this is older, this is less old,
02:11even a skull said this is no newer than 1970,
02:18children's skulls, he said no these are small to be Emanuela away,
02:22so that was the kind of analysis.
02:24Our experts, especially the forensic anthropologist, Dr. Laura Donati,
02:29she opposed it, and you can't understand Arcudi's arrogance,
02:33and she said no these bones, some of these bones cannot be analyzed by sight,
02:39and so she finally managed to get about seventy of them set aside.
02:44So your experts, while there was this analysis, let's say, as you say, precisely by sight,
02:50unscientific, because basically someone says this bone is old, this bone is old,
02:53Your Orlandi family experts objected, and they were sidelined.
03:01Listen, Peter, what struck me, I must say, in the Holy See's statement,
03:06in the press release that talks about the archiving, if we can see it together,
03:11there is a sentence, at the end of this press release, which talks precisely about the archiving,
03:15where it basically says, then these bones are at your disposal,
03:20wait, let me read it carefully, the archiving order leaves the Orlandi family
03:24to proceed privately with any further investigations on some fragments
03:30already collected and stored in sealed containers at the gendarmerie.
03:36That is, basically, if you want you can go and get these containers.
03:40and you can do the tests yourself, I don't understand.
03:43What they say, look, these bones were put aside in July,
03:48when they were taken out of those ossuaries.
03:51In July they put them in a container and we, our experts,
03:55they asked to be able to do some tests, to organize us in another laboratory,
03:59as they wanted, but to do more in-depth analyses.
04:02Arcudi said no, because he said the carbon 14 test is to say many,
04:07Those who have experience do not need carbon 14, but in the end our experts
04:12they managed to get them to put those bones aside pending a decision from the Vatican.
04:17We have been asking continuously since that day, I have been asking every day since January.
04:21I went to the Vatican Tribunal presenting a request, asking then,
04:24then, then, signed by the Lawyer.
04:27They thought about it for ten months and evidently in the end they decided.
04:32Arcudi's report was good and they give us the instructions and the bones.
04:39Yes, which is a bit macabre, one says they are in there, they turn around.
04:43It's like if there's a murder in the prosecutor's office in Italy and they find a skeleton,
04:49They call the family members and say the bones are here, you decide if you want to continue the tests.
04:55We are happy to do so on our part, because we like to be clear, honest and respectful,
04:59which they have not done in all these years, in their behavior.
05:04And if there is the possibility of doing the tests on at least those 70 bones.
05:09I don't know if we will have, I'm being honest, I have no idea how much they can taste,
05:13so I don't know if that's something that's possible.
05:14You know Peter, I think whoever is listening to you, whoever is listening, maybe there will be a workshop
05:18who will offer to do these analyses free of charge, however let's say not in person,
05:24if anything, but otherwise it would be too easy.
05:27Listen Peter, we are sorry because naturally when it comes to archiving,
05:33Filing is always a burden for the family.
05:36But I wanted to ask you this, do you want to hear what happened to Accetti,
05:42that is, this new thing that has been reported?
05:45Because look, Accetti actually comes out on top.
05:48When he comes right into our office and says I want to talk to you
05:52because I have Manuela Orlandi's flute.
05:54We, the precise ones, naturally followed him, but after all, you know what we think of Accetti.
06:00So let's see Accetti's latest problem with Francesco Paolo del Re,
06:04It's a mother who reported it.
06:17A party in a nightclub.
06:20A man handcuffs an underage girl.
06:22The mother finds out and the man justifies himself by saying that it's just a game,
06:26but the mother reports him.
06:29And do you know who this man is?
06:31He's an old acquaintance of ours, Marco Accetti.
06:38Marco Accetti, the man who made us find a flute
06:42telling us that it would belong to Emanuela Orlandi
06:45and who accused himself of having organized the kidnappings of Emanuela and Mirella Gregori.
06:50Marco Accetti, the man who killed little José Garramón,
06:55a 12-year-old boy, in the pine forest of Ostia.
06:59Marco Accetti, the man who is a confidential source of the SISDE,
07:03the civilian secret services, accused of having made another 12-year-old child disappear,
07:09Bruno Romano, with whom he allegedly made a pornographic film.
07:13But how is this possible, you may ask,
07:16that Marco Accetti continues to attract girls and boys undisturbed?
07:21The Rome prosecutor's office treated him like a braggart.
07:24No convictions against him.
07:26And here it is again.
07:35We are in Rome, we meet Loredana,
07:37a mother who is organizing a party for her daughter's eighteenth birthday.
07:42It all starts with an ad on the internet, right?
07:46I happened upon an advertisement for a club and tried calling.
07:54A person who introduced himself as the so-called Alen answered me.
08:00So the person on the phone said his name was Alen.
08:03Yes, he introduced himself as Alen.
08:08Loredana arranges a date with the self-styled Alen
08:11to go and visit the nightclub where they organize 18th birthday parties.
08:17The meeting was after 8 because there was a party for middle school kids.
08:22Did he really say that, middle school?
08:23Yes, for a middle school.
08:29When Loredana and her daughter go to the appointment and meet Alen,
08:33they are in for a surprise.
08:36There was this person with a little hat all made of sequins,
08:42all dressed in black, and there I recognized him immediately.
08:45Also because then he started talking and I was in great difficulty.
08:52The man who calls himself Alen is actually Marco Accetti,
08:56who evidently presents himself under a false name so as not to be recognized.
09:06If Loredana doesn't trust and leaves,
09:09instead another mother takes her daughter to minors,
09:12precisely 15 years old,
09:14at a birthday party in this same place,
09:17but discovers that she was handcuffed by Marco Accetti
09:21and decides to report him for private violence.
09:25At this point we go to where Accetti has his nightclub.
09:29Do they have parties?
09:30Yes, every day.
09:32Everyday?
09:33For young people, yes.
09:35For young people, that is, people of what age?
09:3718 years old, almost.
09:40Almost? You mean even smaller, then?
09:43In my opinion, yes.
09:44Yes, yes, they always had birthday parties,
09:46so that I, who are you.
09:48For what age people?
09:50Young.
09:51Young people gather together and have parties.
09:53But young people of what age?
09:55They can be from 14 to 15 years old and up.
09:58Even so young?
09:59Yes.
10:01So we call him Marco Accetti.
10:04Marco, good evening, I'm Francesco Conno.
10:05He keeps us on the phone for hours.
10:07He reminds us that he too has denounced us in the past,
10:10but that his complaints against Federica Sciarelli
10:13they have all been archived.
10:16The complaints that I have made against her, which are very many,
10:19all archived, guys.
10:21This way my hand is armed.
10:23If someone shoots her tomorrow,
10:26my darling, but...
10:29Attention, attention, you understand?
10:33He knows we're recording him, but he still threatens us.
10:37We ask him for a meeting.
10:40I'm waiting for you, bye Marco.
10:42He agrees, but when he arrives at the appointment
10:45and he sees us with the cameras, Marco Accetti runs away.
10:48Listen, I just wanted to ask you one question.
10:50No, you didn't stay together.
10:52I know something happened.
10:53There is a minor at a party
10:56who was handcuffed by you in your premises.
10:58They are plastic toy handcuffs.
11:00Because we distribute.
11:02We say who wants to pack with handcuffs,
11:04but not to a handcuffed person.
11:08Marco Accetti admits that during the holidays
11:10at his nightclub people are handcuffed.
11:14It's a game, he justifies himself.
11:16Look, I saw a photo on Facebook
11:18where are you who tie the handcuffs.
11:21It's something we do at every party,
11:23as well as giving hats.
11:25Yes, but this one is a minor though.
11:27As a minor Emanuele Orlandi, Mirella Gregori,
11:29at minors' parties we give out hats,
11:34we give a lot of tricks.
11:36If people want to use them well,
11:38if they don't want to use them, they don't use them.
11:41He tells us that they are artifices,
11:43but this time the handcuffs are on Accetti
11:45he put them on the wrist of an underage girl
11:48and the mother filed a complaint.
11:50This is something we have already clarified at the police station.
11:54So you were taken to the police station for this?
11:57No, she filed a complaint.
11:59Eh.
12:00He then adds that if he was reported
12:02it's our fault,
12:03because the mother of the minor he handcuffed
12:06she would be one of our spectators.
12:09In truth this lady was one of your spectators,
12:13because he was influenced
12:14from the fact that he had recognized me
12:16to be the one you have treated
12:23demonizing several times.
12:25so, influenced by these precedents,
12:28he interpreted as this thing from the handcuffs
12:30as an act of private violence.
12:33I don't want to be filmed,
12:35I don't want to deal with anyone who doesn't respect the law.
12:38Because then you can't attract minors into the club anymore.
12:40Let there be a legal path.
12:47Trust the law,
12:48trust the police stations,
12:50to law enforcement and judges.
12:52Don't do trials on television,
12:54because you can't guarantee it that way.
12:56We came to ask a question.
12:58I think we have every right to come and ask
13:00if I have to say that a minor was handcuffed in the club.
13:03Handcuffing a person in erotic terms,
13:07in terms of service,
13:08it has to be you and the person,
13:09at most with two or three other people.
13:11These are parties with 50-60 people.
13:14Yes Marco, but you put the handcuffs on the minor
13:17and you say you made two minors disappear.
13:20But if you really want to create a connection between the two episodes...
13:32Pietro is incredible about the impunity that Cetti enjoys.
13:36because he says this lady reported me
13:38because you, those who saw it, have demonized me
13:41and she was influenced by this.
13:44But Marco Cetti accused himself
13:46of having participated in the kidnapping of Emanuele Orlandi,
13:50by Mirella Gregori,
13:52then in the past he had a gun.
13:55And then it's not exactly like he tells it.
13:57It's not exactly how he tells it.
13:59The investigating magistrate has the truth in his hands.
14:03But this little girl wasn't dancing,
14:07she was in the bathroom, handcuffed,
14:10another little friend with a dog collar,
14:12both tied up and crying.
14:14The fact that they were crying means they weren't having fun.
14:19It is certain that they were not artifices, that it was not a game.
14:22I see that, well, you are...
14:25No, because you have to know that Accetti then pursues us from him to us,
14:29why does he call us, he says don't broadcast it,
14:31don't say I'll find you something else,
14:35I respect another missing woman,
14:37if you don't tell this thing you learned.
14:40In short, after which the fact is there,
14:44as you say, among other things it is disturbing,
14:46because after all, she's a little girl who's crying and handcuffed.
14:49Consider that this place, among other things,
14:51it's a place in a very, no, respectable, neighborhood of Rome, very upscale.
14:56Yes, all private parties for children and minors.
14:58Not me, I have to say that while we were seeing him with us,
15:01there is a person who said,
15:02oh god, he even sent my son there because he went to a party,
15:05because not knowing that you are arriving in Accetti.
15:07I mean, Peter, the problem is that it seems strange to me
15:11that someone who has all these precedents
15:13then let's allow parties for minors,
15:16because, listen Peter, I wanted to show you,
15:18we saw them maybe with you, I don't know,
15:20these photographs that are found in this delirium, no,
15:25in Accetti's network.
15:26Then there was this girl in a tomb
15:28which really does look a lot like your sister,
15:31but we never knew, no,
15:32who was this girl, a model,
15:35because then we had asked to come forward, no,
15:38the people who had been photographed by Accetti,
15:40but they didn't do it.
15:43But this photograph is impressive, isn't it?
15:45Yes, it has always impressed me,
15:46in fact I would always have liked to understand
15:48who is that girl,
15:49because he says she was a model,
15:51but if you look carefully at that photo,
15:52enlarge that photo well,
15:54you can see that he is still a person
15:56who has suffered something,
15:58there are lacerations on the face,
16:00plucked eyebrows,
16:02there are some burn parts.
16:04So, Pietro and I say to this girl,
16:07if you're an adult now,
16:09because they are old photos,
16:10in short, if you can come forward,
16:12because it's really for families
16:15who suffer a disappearance,
16:17in short, everything,
16:18even putting little pieces in place,
16:20no, being able to fix some things,
16:23to understand, everything is important.
16:25Peter, thank you.
16:26We, however, in short,
16:28we'll follow this thing about these bones
16:30that are delivered to you and your family
16:32in containers sealed by the gendarmerie
16:35in the Vatican.
16:37Sorry, the archiving is still about
16:38just the bone investigation,
16:40because they have our investigation in their hands
16:42to have an investigation into the whole affair
16:44and there are so many things we asked
16:46and they never answer.
16:48Look, Peter, by the way...
16:49The magistrate,
16:50the promoter of justice in Milan
16:53he never wanted to receive,
16:54since after the bones were analyzed,
16:56the lawyer.
16:57Neither him nor Diddi.
16:59By the way...
16:59Diddi, I remind you, you will know him,
17:01Diddi,
17:01he is the magistrate who defended the mafioso,
17:03Mafia Capitale and the Vatican's prosecutor.
17:06Listen Peter,
17:06there would be a lot to say,
17:08but what we have always said
17:10is that Emanuele Orlandi
17:11it is a citizen of the Vatican,
17:13and so it is the Vatican itself
17:15who has a wound,
17:17why did she disappear
17:17one of its citizens,
17:20a girl who lived inside the Vatican
17:23and that he had family there.
17:25So it is precisely the Vatican State
17:27and must take charge
17:28to know what happened
17:30of this disappearance.
17:31Peter, thank you,
17:32and we will continue.
17:33Thank you, thank you.
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