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00:00Well, Natalina, I called you yesterday to tell you, look, this is happening.
00:05and immediately after I also sent the agency to Antonietta
00:11that I'm not doing it because you're second, but do you know why?
00:13Because Emanuele Orlandi's mother, being alive, I am always worried
00:19so that something will be known.
00:22It's kind of a bombshell news because when there are two girls
00:27which have not been found, the shots were certainly hidden
00:31and they are found from the bones, it is right to make the comparison immediately.
00:37Your families gave DNA, or rather you two gave DNA for your sisters,
00:42make the comparison.
00:43So, what's going on?
00:45That the chief prosecutor Pignatone has delegated the scientific police
00:50and the mobile squad of the Rome question,
00:52the Holy See always writes the statement
00:56in order to establish their age, sex and date of death.
01:01Today perhaps one more piece of news came out,
01:03in the sense that it could certainly be a skeleton,
01:07of a girl, of a woman,
01:10because the pelvis would be that of a female.
01:14So, I would go immediately with Francesco Paolo del Re,
01:19which is in front of the Apostolic Annunciation on Via Po.
01:24We are in Rome, obviously.
01:27Francesco Paolo, so what happened?
01:30Which they found while doing some renovation work,
01:35some bones, but where exactly?
01:39So, maybe you can watch it with me.
01:42Here is the entrance portal of this property,
01:45which was a villa, it's called Villa Giorgina,
01:47and a little further on, on Via Po,
01:49where you see wooden beams above,
01:52because they're also redoing the roof
01:53of that accessory building of the villa,
01:56there is what was the ancient guardhouse,
01:59that is, the building where he performed his functions
02:03the doorman of this building.
02:05Well, just as they were doing
02:07about the renovation work on that building there,
02:11so that building leaning on Via Po,
02:13which is almost at an angle,
02:15here almost in front of the main entrance
02:17of the seat of the apostolic annunciation,
02:19Human remains were found by workers.
02:23What happened?
02:24The workers removed the floor,
02:27they reached the screed layer,
02:30which is that layer of material
02:31which is just under the floor,
02:33and it was right there that they made this terrible discovery.
02:36That is, human remains,
02:39a skeleton appears almost complete,
02:42and not far away, but in another place,
02:45a small pile of bones was described to us.
02:48This is why the first rumours
02:50press reports spoke of two possible bodies.
02:54Obviously we don't know
02:55if they are really two distinct bodies,
02:57or if it is about bone findings,
03:00bone fragments from the same person.
03:03The only thing that seems certain
03:04is that there is a skull.
03:06In fact, the first news that came out
03:08they were about this very skull.
03:10It has been said,
03:10we need to analyze the skull,
03:12we need to analyze the teeth,
03:13because they can give us information.
03:16And then, just this afternoon...
03:19No, Francesco, I wanted to say something about this,
03:22which clearly you also have to make an effort of memory,
03:25who are trying to understand
03:26if they remained, I don't know,
03:29if there are no clothes,
03:30but if there are jewels,
03:32some chains or something,
03:34of course all this could make things easier,
03:37because if there is a little ring, a little chain,
03:39I don't know if they reported her missing,
03:42now we have to go back
03:46in the years that have passed so many.
03:49Listen, Francesco, before I let you continue,
03:51to make people understand
03:53where these works are done,
03:57look, as always we try of course
04:00to ask questions,
04:02our Marco Monti asked a worker
04:05which I believe is right above the caretaker's house,
04:08this little house that looks like a corner,
04:12to Via Po and asked him
04:13if he could tell us something.
04:16Let's hear it.
04:38I am sorry.
04:40Thank you.
04:43So, obviously the situation is delicate,
04:45so also the workers who worked
04:48it's not that they start talking rightly
04:50with journalists,
04:51it's a very delicate situation,
04:52because the Rome Prosecutor's Office
04:54he opened a murder case,
04:56it was decided to make the comparison,
04:58by the way we wanted to talk to you
05:00also by Bruno Romano,
05:01because he is a boy who disappeared,
05:03and so why not make the comparison
05:05also with Bruno Romano,
05:06who is a boy who disappeared from Rome
05:09in times, let's say, less distant,
05:11but it is still a disappearance.
05:14What's going on?
05:15That we see that the place has not been
05:19nor fenced off,
05:20people keep coming in and out
05:22from the apostolic annunciation,
05:24the people who evidently work in there,
05:26so we think it was, I don't know,
05:28delimited an area,
05:31let's hope, says Natalina,
05:32because in there we continue to work anyway
05:36and they're all very buttoned up,
05:39as these questions demonstrate
05:41which is exactly what our correspondents do,
05:42Francesco Palore del Re and Marco Monti,
05:44because then people leave.
05:47This morning we were there
05:48and these were our questions.
05:52There is more work in progress
05:54or just this building here on the right?
05:55No, look, it's my first time here.
05:58But does his intervention have anything to do with the bones found?
06:01No.
06:04Can you explain what work you are doing in the villa?
06:06To the restructuring.
06:08But in which part were the bones found?
06:10I don't know, I don't know anything.
06:12Good morning, can we ask you a question please?
06:15What's going on?
06:21Can you at least tell us where the bone fragments were found?
06:31Good morning, there was a question, sorry.
06:33Can you tell us where exactly the bones were found?
06:38So, it's clearly a delicate situation, right?
06:41But we too, what we noticed
06:43is that we continue to work within the apostolic annunciation.
06:47Sorry, Francesco, you, since you went last night, right?
06:51After the news came out from ANSA
06:53you had seen a sign where the start of the works was also written
06:57a sign that was later, I believe, removed.
06:59When did this work begin and when were they found?
07:02Monday, these bone fragments?
07:07Federica, when we arrived last night
07:09there was no one out front yet.
07:10So we walked around the entire perimeter of the villa
07:13and we focused on the various entrances that exist.
07:16In particular, at the door, in front of the door
07:19I'll describe to you what the guardhouse door looks like.
07:22There is a grate.
07:23Beyond the gate you can see the entrance to the building itself.
07:25There was a sign at the entrance to the building.
07:28The classic sign that is placed
07:29when renovation work begins.
07:31So there was the name of the person from the company who did the work
07:34but above all there was the start date of the works
07:37which was October 22nd.
07:39So the work started, let's say, a week ago.
07:42But we know that this discovery
07:44It was done on Monday, Monday, October 29th.
07:47So two days ago.
07:50At the end of the day on Monday
07:52the workers were working on a floor.
07:54They took away the floor
07:56and so they made this discovery
07:58and immediately alerted the authorities.
08:00The Vatican authorities, of course.
08:02They called the Vatican gendarmerie.
08:04The Vatican gendarmerie immediately informed
08:07the Rome prosecutor's office
08:10who delegated the investigation to the police headquarters.
08:14And we know that the scientific police
08:16She came in yesterday morning to get started.
08:20It has, let's say, somehow crystallized the state of the places.
08:25He made some surveys and above all he made some videos
08:27to understand how these bones were found.
08:30And then there was another inspection last night.
08:33First, let's say, almost at the same time
08:35with the news from Trallanza.
08:37So around 9pm, a little after 9pm.
08:39Today it didn't seem to us that they came again
08:42the men of the scientific police.
08:46It worries us, as you said,
08:48the fact that there are so many people coming and going from this building.
08:51We who were here today in front
08:53we saw many vehicles coming in and out
08:56vans, cars, workers.
08:58Because we know that the work is done, let's say,
09:01in various places and there are various types of jobs.
09:03There is some extraordinary maintenance work in the garden.
09:07It seems that there are also some restorations of some paintings
09:09of some works of art kept inside.
09:11But above all there are these structural works,
09:14of restructuring.
09:16Listen, Francesco, what you were saying before
09:19It is important and must be underlined.
09:21What happened?
09:22Consider that we are not inside the Vatican,
09:25it is extraterritorial, we are not within the Vatican State,
09:28but this property still belongs to the Vatican.
09:30But what did they do?
09:32The body of the gendarmerie is written in the note
09:34and promptly intervened on site
09:36informing the superiors of the Holy See
09:38who immediately communicated to the Italian authorities
09:42for the appropriate investigations and the necessary collaboration
09:44of the story.
09:46So the Holy See told the Italian authorities
09:48look, it's inside our house, right?
09:51These bones are inside our house,
09:54But we'll tell you right away and you take care of it.
09:58What struck me, Natalina,
10:00and this morning at a certain point you said on the strip
10:02I hope she's my sister like her body,
10:06These bones can tell us what happened.
10:10At least we know something.
10:12As you rightly said, I heard my brother
10:14who did an interview, Peter,
10:15and he said, okay, Pope Francis said
10:17that Emanuella is in heaven,
10:18but at this point the bones and the body are here.
10:20Somewhere on earth they must be,
10:22Of course they didn't fly too.
10:25Is this a feeling you have too, Antonietta?
10:27The same sentence I said in various interviews
10:29that they did to me.
10:30I mean, let's hope they're my sister's remains.
10:32You put a full stop, an end.
10:34An end.
10:35And we're looking for the truth and who did it, obviously.
10:38So, look, the absurd thing about these stories
10:41that we have been telling you for years
10:43is that they could be, that is, have a dating,
10:48who knows, maybe even from another century,
10:50we don't know.
10:50Of course, soldiers can't be,
10:52because if there's a woman, well...
10:53No, but the thing is, they can't be from another century,
10:57because if they found it on the screed...
10:59Of course, they must be...
11:00No, I was saying...
11:01At least of...
11:02But the problem is that in this Italy
11:05where the girls' bodies are hidden,
11:08every time something is found
11:10you have to make the comparison with all the people
11:13that have disappeared.
11:14Then you, Natalina, rightly said
11:16those works there can't be from another century,
11:20those made...
11:22I think, that is...
11:23In short, there is a screed made,
11:25I don't think that...
11:27So, I'll show you a map now.
11:30We see Francis Paul
11:32who physically with Marco Monti
11:33he remains there in front of that building.
11:35We'll show you this map
11:37to help you understand the places of Rome
11:39where all this happens.
11:41Here, then, you see the apostolic annunciation
11:43where is our Francis Paul the king,
11:46where the bones were found.
11:48Then, look, Mirella Gregori
11:52he lived with Antonietta,
11:53with the family via Nomentana.
11:56Emanuele Orlandi, you all know it,
11:58she is a Vatican citizen
12:00and disappears after being
12:02at the Basilica of Santa Apollinare.
12:05Then we see the Villa Borghese parking lot
12:07because it has something to do with it.
12:08But first I wanted to tell Antonietta
12:11actually the closest place...
12:14To our home.
12:15Where do you live?
12:17How far is it from Via Po?
12:18Where my sister disappeared in Porta Via
12:20and to everything.
12:23Will it be a ten minute walk?
12:24Ten minutes on foot.
12:25We, among other things, in Corso d'Italia,
12:27before Via Po,
12:28right on the corner with Via Po,
12:30my sister and I went to the cinema
12:32of the parish.
12:34What kind of cinema is there?
12:35It's a cinema, it's no longer there,
12:37there was a parish cinema
12:38of Saint Teresa of Avila.
12:40And it's close to your home
12:42and via Po where the apostolic annunciation is.
12:43It's right on the corner with Via Po.
12:44Corso d'Italia, via Po.
12:46And a little further on,
12:47taking via Po, there is the annunciation.
12:49So, Francis Paul,
12:52we are now trying to...
12:54So, via Po, so stay there,
12:55There's this cinema nearby
12:57frequented by Antonietta and Mirella Gregori.
13:01These things naturally make an impression.
13:03If we look at the map again for a moment,
13:06because we put the finding
13:09of BMW?
13:10Because at a certain point
13:11it was said that Manuela Arlandi
13:14he got into a BMW,
13:15because they saw her with a blond guy
13:17who was talking to her
13:18and that he had offered him a job at Avon
13:22and a BMW was mysteriously found
13:25in a parking lot,
13:26the Villa Borghese parking lot,
13:29why did we put it on a map now
13:30that we can show you the pictures,
13:31because this BMW had always been talked about
13:34which was never found,
13:35was found...
13:36Here it is,
13:37this is the Villa Borghese parking lot
13:39which ends right near Via Po.
13:42This is the place where a BMW was found.
13:46Here it is,
13:47it was now in storage,
13:49we managed to get it back
13:50and it's a BMW that was the owner,
13:54in those years it was Flavio Carboni.
13:56So anyway,
13:57they are all places that are important though
14:00to remember,
14:01because we have been talking about this for so many years,
14:03are important to remember.
14:04So,
14:06let's say,
14:07Mirella is closer,
14:09No?
14:10As a place
14:11to the apostolic annunciation.
14:14We are always speaking naturally
14:16of two girls who disappeared
14:21for too many years really,
14:2335 years old,
14:24but we don't know
14:25if those bones are your sister's
14:28or your sister's.
14:29But we are trying to frame
14:31the situation.
14:33But I belong to someone.
14:34Because obviously the Rome Prosecutor's Office
14:37must open a murder case.
14:39If a murder case opens
14:40it's because there isn't anyone
14:41a woman who put herself under there
14:43and hid itself.
14:46It's clear that a body is down there
14:47it was found
14:48and so someone put it there.
14:50In Italy everything happens
14:51because we remember that Belmonte
14:52he had a wife and daughter
14:55under the cavity of the room
14:57from his bed,
14:58under his bed,
14:59he had kept them for years
15:01and no one was looking for them
15:02and they were there.
15:03In short, everything happens,
15:04but it's clear that to someone
15:05these remains must belong.
15:08So, first Francesco, I give you back the line,
15:13we always on this terrible journey
15:16what are we doing,
15:17because we need to explain a little
15:20because then suddenly everyone
15:22they talk about it
15:23and when we talk about the Vatican
15:26everyone remains a bit like this.
15:27Because it's obvious
15:29Natalina's sister
15:32it is a Vatican city,
15:34he had to return to the Vatican
15:35and instead disappears from the Basilica of Santa Polina.
15:37What's going on?
15:38When in 2005
15:41we know each other
15:42and we take it back into our hands
15:43the case of Emanuele Orlandi
15:45to anyone who has seen it
15:46this phone call comes
15:47we'll hear it again
15:48that you all remember
15:49that brings us
15:50in a place
15:52extraterritorial of the Vatican
15:53which is not the Apostolic Annunciation
15:55but it is the Basilica of Santa Polinare.
15:57Let's hear the phone call.
16:00Regarding the case of Emanuele Orlandi
16:02to find the solution to the case
16:03go and see
16:04which is buried in the grippa
16:05of the Basilica of Santa Polinare
16:07and of the favor
16:08that Renatino
16:08he made to Cardinal Poletti
16:10at the time.
16:12At that time
16:13what's happening?
16:15That
16:16De Poedis
16:17he is a man
16:17which is tied
16:18to the Vatican
16:19who is a friend
16:20by Don Vergari
16:21who is buried
16:22in the Basilica
16:23of Saint Polinare
16:24which is one thing
16:24among other things
16:25Truly
16:25we have always said
16:27they could have put us
16:27Don Puglisi
16:28a priest who fought
16:30and he was killed
16:30from the mafia
16:31but why did they have to put it there?
16:32a criminal
16:33like De Pedis
16:34in a Basilica
16:35in the center
16:36of Rome
16:37he was generous
16:38then we have to see
16:39even with money
16:39of whom naturally
16:40he was doing
16:42how do you say
16:43he gave the money
16:44to the lies of the poor
16:45I don't know what
16:46Don Vergari told us
16:47so what happens?
16:49Because we want you
16:49talk about Don Vergari?
16:50Why someone
16:51today he said
16:52but Don Vergari
16:53who was the rector
16:54of the Basilica
16:55of Saint Polinare
16:56just when
16:56Emanuela
16:57he played the flute
16:59there at the moment
17:00precisely of the disappearance
17:01Don Vergari
17:02he worked
17:02to the apostolic annunciation
17:04meanwhile
17:04let's see Don Vergari
17:06what he had told us
17:07when we had searched
17:08to meet him
17:09and we wanted to ask him
17:10but why
17:11he was buried
17:12right there
17:13a criminal
17:14of the band
17:14of the Magliana
17:15right in the Basilica
17:16of Saint Polinare
17:17look at this priest
17:18modern
17:19what does he answer us?
17:22Good morning, Monsignor.
17:23he explains to us
17:23why the tomb
17:24by De Pedis
17:25is it in a church?
17:26Listen then
17:26here it is
17:27All
17:28then you
17:29do you know the internet?
17:30Yes
17:30then you do
17:31www.vergarimonsignorpiero.com
17:34it's all there
17:36I see?
17:38Monsignor
17:39Allow me to introduce myself
17:40we didn't even introduce ourselves
17:42Then
17:42I don't know
17:43that doesn't talk to me
17:44but I am
17:45up to the national level
17:46of those who saw it
17:46I just wanted
17:47ask her
17:48the explanation
17:48listen my mom
17:49you exactly
17:50no eh I know
17:51but I read
17:52what he wrote
17:52on the site
17:53it can't be
17:54maybe an explanation
17:55eh it's not there
17:56an explanation
17:57it's all there
17:57it's all there
17:58listen father there
17:59with the big voice
18:00Understood
18:01no the problem
18:03is that we
18:03we left
18:04from that
18:04and it's strange
18:05people too
18:06she took offence
18:06of this thing
18:07doesn't it seem strange to you
18:08to her
18:08Good day
18:09no I understood
18:10but why doesn't he give us
18:12an answer
18:12excellent
18:13that's all there is to it
18:13that's all there is to it
18:14HI
18:17vvv
18:18In short
18:19we are
18:19we are very
18:21modern
18:21it is definitely
18:22more modern than me
18:23And
18:23but what
18:25happens
18:25That
18:26that Don Vergari
18:28actually
18:28the apostolic annunciation
18:29what we find out
18:30of those who saw it
18:31he has never worked
18:32he worked
18:33to the supreme court
18:35of the apostolic signature
18:37so maybe
18:38in short it was done
18:39a bit of confusion
18:39anyway it seems to us
18:40that Don Vergari
18:41he never worked there
18:43Don Vergari
18:43consider that
18:45he is one of the people
18:46which was
18:46the only one in the church
18:48which has been investigated
18:49for the disappearance
18:50but
18:51but it was archived
18:53this is good
18:54remember it
18:56Always
18:56continuing
18:58on this path
18:59that somehow
19:00brings us people
19:01Neighbor
19:02to the Vatican
19:03consider that
19:04De Pedis
19:05it's obvious
19:05who had relationships
19:06with
19:07with some of the men
19:09not with the Vatican
19:10with some of the men
19:11of the Vatican
19:12an investigation
19:13which then brought
19:14to Marcinkus
19:15what happened
19:16as Emanuele
19:17it had been
19:17approached
19:18from one
19:19the so-called
19:20blond
19:21we asked
19:22to an exponent
19:24of the band
19:24of the Magliana
19:25that is Antonio Mancini
19:26we asked
19:27if it was possible
19:29that it had been
19:30De Pedis himself
19:30to get closer
19:31to Emanuele
19:32Orlandi
19:32with an excuse
19:33he had succeeded
19:35to bring it
19:36in his car
19:37Now
19:37listen to what
19:39he answers us
19:39Mancini
19:40but look
19:41Also
19:41Natalina
19:42and Peter
19:43that is, how many years
19:44they must pass
19:45in search
19:46of the truth
19:49and then other things
19:50precisely
19:50that amazed me
19:51from that statement
19:52that she did
19:53it amazed us
19:53and that telling
19:55of how it was
19:57De Pedis
19:57he described it to us
19:59a person
19:59which then in the end
20:00it was very similar
20:01to the person
20:02which may have brought him closer
20:03my sister
20:04this cannot be ruled out
20:05that it was him
20:07because precisely
20:08I remember
20:09it had left an impression on me
20:10the thing
20:10of perfumery
20:11the descriptions
20:12of the character
20:13they correspond
20:15they could match
20:16to those
20:16of the Pedis
20:17so it could be lent
20:19to do a job
20:19on behalf of others
20:21but no
20:22on his own
20:23and against others
20:25then someone
20:27it's obvious
20:27which is hooked
20:28both Manuela
20:29that Mirella
20:31you can remember
20:32to our viewers
20:33your sister
20:33he went down from home
20:34saying
20:35to your mother
20:36I'll be right back
20:37he replied
20:38at the intercom
20:39after a call
20:40and there and then
20:42it remained a bit like this
20:43he said
20:44not if you don't tell me
20:44Who are you
20:45I'm not going down
20:45and after a minute
20:47he said
20:48oh yes Alessandro
20:49oh okay
20:50All right
20:50I'm coming down right away
20:52to my mother
20:52he told him
20:53Mom, I'm coming down for a moment
20:54to greet Alessandro
20:56but you still have to eat
20:58Don't worry
20:59I'll be right back
21:00and she went down
21:01and she never came back
21:03then you
21:03there was a friend
21:04who was called Alessandro
21:05but you immediately verified
21:07that he hadn't rung the bell
21:08not us
21:09we tried to look for it
21:10but he wasn't at home
21:11Mom answered us
21:12that wasn't there
21:13and then he was contacted
21:15Obviously
21:15by the investigators
21:16and he said
21:17that at that moment
21:17he was in a completely different place
21:19but it has never been
21:20I looked into this matter further
21:21because they believed
21:22so to a banal answer
21:24said
21:27that is, as if it didn't exist
21:28Nobody
21:29I do not know
21:29In my opinion
21:30they did not delve into it further
21:32as they have not investigated further
21:33the fact that
21:34when I passed by
21:35from her friend
21:36under the bar
21:37she told me
21:38must go to Portapia
21:39on an appointment
21:40and then to Villa Torlonia
21:41to play the guitar
21:43to play the guitar
21:43my sister
21:44he never played the guitar
21:45he had no friends
21:46who played the guitar
21:48and second
21:48according to the Gregori family
21:51because now I'm the only one left
21:52it has never been explored in depth
21:54the thing
21:55right away
21:56At that time
21:56the problem
21:57is that
21:58I can say
21:59the investigations got off to a bad start
22:00they don't fit in anyway
22:02they left
22:03otherwise they would have found each other
22:04otherwise they would have found each other
22:07both
22:07they said it
22:08but it is a voluntary disappearance
22:09a prank
22:10well we are here
22:11to talk about it again
22:12after 35 years
22:14they start off badly
22:15they start off really badly
22:16what's happening?
22:17In my opinion
22:18my sister's
22:19it didn't really start
22:19it didn't really start
22:21because then
22:22I'm sorry to say this though
22:23no but you're right
22:24I can agree with you
22:25I'm also angry
22:26under this profile
22:27I think Natalina too
22:28he will prove you right
22:29because in reality
22:30apart from the fact that you don't come
22:31just to know
22:32then slowly slowly
22:33after your family members
22:34they are fighting a great battle
22:37then the Pope talks about it
22:38etc.
22:38maybe slowly slowly
22:39at the beginning, even for us
22:40they told us
22:41do the investigations
22:42and then you come and tell us
22:43if you find anything
22:44but you'll see
22:45that yes as not
22:46that is, you have to do
22:48you family members
22:49do your research
22:50like I did
22:51that same evening
22:52if you find something
22:53you come and tell us
22:55then after when they discovered
22:57that behind the word
22:58behind the name
22:59Emanuele Orlandi
23:00there was SCV
23:01he broke out
23:03the delirium
23:04which brought
23:05In my opinion
23:06to the red herrings
23:07Also
23:07to total madness
23:09to total madness
23:10because what unites
23:11also Emanuele
23:12and Mirella
23:13that the problem is this
23:14as they disappear
23:15in the same year
23:16to a few
23:1845 days before
23:19Mirella
23:20why May and June
23:21so in short
23:21we are there
23:22and then there was
23:23first the episode
23:25also what it is
23:25who was a woman
23:26what they said
23:27which in short
23:27he found himself there
23:28put under
23:29that one for sure
23:29a little boy
23:30who have kidnapped
23:30everything happens
23:31in the same year
23:32what's happening
23:34that these two cases
23:35Obviously
23:36not having found
23:38solution
23:39us now
23:40at this point
23:40we can't even say
23:41it was the same person
23:42to kidnap them
23:43it wasn't the same
23:44person to kidnap them
23:45because there is no solution
23:47in this case
23:48to these two cases
23:49dramatic
23:50one thing is certain
23:51there have been
23:52of the runways
23:53in the names
23:54by Mirella
23:55and Emanuela
23:56and there have been
23:57really so many
23:58it's so true
23:59that at a certain point
23:59we couldn't understand anything anymore
24:01maybe I can say
24:02the most dramatic thing
24:04that is not known
24:05if it's a red herring
24:06or is it the real voice
24:08because then
24:08the memories
24:09sometimes they vanish
24:11No
24:12it's that phone call
24:13terrible
24:14that they found
24:16every now and again
24:17Menino made it possible to find
24:18a ribbon
24:19where you feel
24:20a girl
24:20who is complaining
24:22let's hear it together
24:23he impressed
24:24us
24:24all of you
24:24viewers
24:25and think
24:26the family members
24:28of course they had written
24:29which was the voice
24:30by Emanuele
24:45God, that hurts
24:48God let me sleep
24:49Now
24:54then this voice
24:55for me
24:56remains
24:56a mystery
24:57Why
24:58the first time
24:58they told me
24:59which was drawn
24:59from a porn movie
25:01etc.
25:01then this porn movie
25:02it was never found
25:03then maybe
25:04which was Minardi
25:05what he had done
25:06the suffering voice
25:07to send
25:09this message
25:09then in short
25:10what
25:10but
25:11it was never understood
25:12No
25:12yes but the fact itself
25:13that you send it
25:15without
25:16a purpose
25:17what's the point?
25:19Meaning what
25:20as he often said
25:21my husband
25:22it's not a message
25:23for the family
25:24the message
25:25it's for some
25:25of another
25:26arrived at this point
25:27because to us
25:28there has never been
25:28asked for nothing
25:30a message
25:31for someone else
25:32no then
25:32if we can frame them
25:34so much Andrea
25:34everyone knows it
25:35then there's your son
25:36next to
25:37that is, the nephew
25:38which has never
25:39could have known
25:40the aunt
25:42At that time
25:42who then was Andrea
25:43to put
25:44the famous tape recorder
25:45to record
25:46all phone calls
25:46who arrived home
25:47so in short
25:48Truly
25:48because no one
25:49he was worried
25:50no one cared
25:51but you are due
25:52no
25:52a bit
25:53to dig
25:54In short
25:54alone
25:55And
25:56you have been warned
25:58Unfortunately
25:58At that time
26:00it always happens
26:01they are not warned
26:02the family members
26:02yes yes
26:03and this is
26:05because there are
26:06of the investigations
26:06in progress
26:07And
26:09your mother
26:10yes probably
26:11I
26:11what I say
26:12it's not even
26:14in the rule
26:16advise
26:16the familiar
26:17but maybe one
26:19he expects it
26:19since then
26:20it is known that it will be created
26:22lots of movement
26:23so much confusion
26:25because it is known
26:25that would have been created
26:27lots of movement
26:28then it was enough
26:29a minimum
26:30Of
26:31to put on
26:32on our side
26:33that everyone
26:34they say
26:35oh yes
26:35we try
26:36to put myself
26:37from yours
26:37but they can't do it
26:38probably
26:39because if they fall
26:40always in the same
26:42mistake
26:42to do
26:43that when they come out
26:44news
26:45you have to let us know
26:46tea
26:46or some
26:47of another
26:48but never
26:49the people directed
26:50interested parties
26:51and yet we are there
26:52mom is there
26:54they know ours
26:55numbers
26:55they know
26:56they know us
26:57of people
26:58at least
26:59as far as we are concerned
27:00Certain
27:00be there
27:01let's say
27:02but one takes note
27:04that this thing
27:05there is no
27:06therefore
27:07listen Natalina
27:07you who
27:08you lived there
27:09then in short
27:10because your mom
27:11but this thing
27:13that the Vatican
27:13he said
27:13take the bones
27:14and you do it
27:15In short
27:16it's a done deal
27:16in transparency
27:17because they could also say
27:18we'll take care of it
27:19he is dead
27:20in our territory
27:22alright
27:22I do not believe
27:23that they have us
27:24all possibilities
27:25to be able to evaluate
27:26or analyze
27:29of the bones
27:30therefore
27:31then there is
27:32in the treaty
27:33the collaboration
27:35between Italy
27:35And
27:36the Vatican State
27:38in conclusion
27:39Emanuela has disappeared
27:39in Italy
27:40but she is a citizen
27:41Vatican
27:42they say
27:43that they always have
27:44collaborated
27:45but it seems
27:46from that
27:47that came out
27:48that it took
27:49Also
27:50but there will be
27:51an evolution
27:55mental
27:55oh sure
27:56that is, we don't keep
27:57Understood
27:58everything below
27:58let's say
27:59hidden
28:00under the ashes
28:01but anyway
28:01these are bones
28:02so in short
28:03a Vatican
28:04who decided
28:04right away
28:05immediately
28:06to warn
28:06the Italian authorities
28:07to say look
28:08there's something here
28:09that's not going well
28:09why these bones
28:10they weren't supposed to be here
28:12Obviously
28:12let's imagine
28:13that isn't there
28:14a cemetery
28:14down there
28:15a crypt
28:15one thing
28:16because if not
28:17none of this was happening
28:18Francis Paul
28:19are you still there?
28:22Yes I'm here
28:23Federica
28:24in this regard
28:25of what you were saying
28:26with respect to collaboration
28:27between the Vatican
28:28and Italian State
28:29a reflection needs to be made
28:31and that is
28:32not all buildings
28:34extraterritorial
28:35they enjoy the same level
28:36of extraterritoriality
28:37so our impression
28:39is that this building
28:40in particular
28:41is not completely
28:42subtracted
28:43at the control
28:45of the Italian State
28:46so maybe
28:47what he did
28:47the Vatican gendarmerie
28:49it was also a necessary act
28:50towards
28:50of the Italian State
28:52maybe it wasn't possible
28:53do otherwise
28:54and the police headquarters
28:56the Rome prosecutor's office
28:57and the police headquarters
28:58they had to by force
28:58intervene
28:59anyway it makes a lot of impression
29:00to think that
29:01in a territory
29:03that anyway
29:04it's from the city
29:05of the Vatican
29:05have been found
29:07hidden
29:08of human remains
29:09under a floor
29:10let's repeat
29:11of the little house
29:13of the guardian
29:14attached to this property
29:15which is nothing else
29:16if not the headquarters
29:17of the embassy
29:19of the Holy See
29:20at the Italian State
29:22Therefore
29:23probably
29:24if it is confirmed
29:25this news
29:26that the pelvis
29:26of one of the two
29:27in short, of a basin
29:29found
29:29it's a woman's
29:30it makes an impression
29:31to think that someone
29:32he hid it there
29:33and only by chance
29:34during these works
29:36facts on Monday
29:36these human remains
29:37they were found
29:38I think
29:39among other things
29:40Francis
29:41I think they are
29:42trying to understand
29:43even the custodians
29:44how long
29:45it has become
29:45the custodians
29:47who lived there
29:48there was a caretaker
29:49that disappeared from him
29:50the wife
29:50because anything can happen
29:51but anyway
29:52clearly
29:53we are working on it
29:54bones can be
29:55of all
29:56why the bones
29:56then there will be the comparison
29:58but of someone
29:59however they must be
30:00In short
30:00I wanted to remember
30:01how much is fought
30:02the Penelope association
30:03for the speech
30:04DNA note
30:06Look
30:06you are right to say it
30:07among other things
30:09let's repeat
30:10that the Penelope association
30:11is taking
30:12DNA
30:12of everyone
30:13because when they come
30:14the bones were found
30:15that we won't be there
30:16more of us
30:17there will be the host
30:19of those who saw it
30:20of 3.0
30:23but the Penelope association
30:24he did something
30:25formidable
30:26a database
30:27Anyway
30:27of all missing persons
30:29also because
30:29It's not that we don't trust
30:31because to us
30:32DNA
30:32they had taken it from us
30:34to my mother
30:35but you made yourselves
30:36yours too
30:36we have it too
30:38Now
30:39All right
30:39he did it
30:41at the time
30:41in which there was
30:42Victor Rizzi
30:42head of the flying squad
30:43that is precisely
30:45era
30:46let's say
30:47divided
30:47the investigation
30:48Victor Rizzi
30:49asked both of them
30:50something more
30:51by Emanuela
30:52they also have
30:53Emanuela's
30:53so they have something
30:54by Emanuela
30:55taken by something
30:56an object
30:57from a blouse
30:58by Emanuela
30:59and for yours
31:00there was something
31:01No
31:01for Mirella no
31:03At that time
31:03they are remembered late
31:05True
31:05At that time
31:06if by chance
31:08we can get back on track
31:09missing person reports
31:10where it was written
31:11if they had a jewel
31:12a ring
31:13a small chain
31:14it doesn't seem like it to me
31:14that there were
31:15asked many things
31:16it was just the description
31:17of the clothes
31:18because that could
31:19to be important
31:20also because at the time
31:20they went a long way
31:21the colored laces
31:23made of cloth
31:25I don't know
31:26if they have wine
31:26things that communion
31:27maybe it comes to mind
31:28something
31:28maybe if it comes to mind
31:30naturally
31:30everything that can be important
31:32then with Francesco Pagliarreno
31:34of course we wanted each other later
31:35if you have any doubts
31:36questions to ask ourselves
31:37or even tell us something more
31:39because obviously we
31:41this fact
31:42if we have to give it to him immediately
31:44the remains
31:44if extraterritorial
31:45and in any case of the Vatican
31:47etc.
31:47we don't know for sure
31:49so we are discussing it like this
31:51talking to you
31:53the important thing is that they let us know
31:54as soon as possible
31:55the important thing is as soon as possible
31:56I don't know if they have to do it first
31:58the dating
31:59and then the comparison
32:00or it's done right away
32:01the comparison
32:01how long does it take
32:03we are here
32:04this evening
32:05naturally
32:05we'll tell you
32:07immediately
32:08thanks for the moment
32:09see you soon
32:10after a short break
32:22About the bones
32:24which have been found
32:25in the Vatican building
32:27two days ago
32:28Natalina said
32:29I hope they are my sister's
32:31at least that's what I know
32:32What happened to you
32:34the same thing
32:35he said it
32:35Antonietta Gregori
32:37I hope they are my sister's
32:38Mirella
32:39so we know
32:40what happened
32:42all that
32:43it's terrible
32:43but we must remember
32:45that there is another girl
32:46Francis Paul
32:48which has disappeared from Rome
32:50he was only 21 years old
32:52Alessia Rosati
32:53and July 23rd
32:55of 1994
32:5615
32:5711 years later
32:58the disappearance
32:58by Mirella Gregori
32:59and Emanuele Orlandi
33:00he leaves the house
33:01with a friend
33:02and then he says
33:03I'm going back home
33:04and actually disappears
33:06it was a Saturday
33:07he had to leave
33:07with parents
33:09for the holidays
33:10the summer holidays
33:11but it will never leave
33:12a letter arrives
33:13at the parents' house
33:14in which it seems
33:15that it is the same Alessia
33:16to have written
33:17that would have gone
33:18to take a walk
33:19for Europe
33:19with a boy
33:20and from then on
33:22the investigations
33:22they are never made again
33:24why do you think
33:25that his
33:25be a voluntary departure
33:27but Alessia
33:28it was never found
33:29and therefore also
33:30his family
33:31asks for answers
33:32because if Alessia
33:33there is no
33:33she might be dead
33:35and then his body
33:35it could be hidden
33:37somewhere
33:37so if they have to be done
33:39of comparisons
33:40obviously you have to do them
33:41even with
33:42with the other missing persons
33:44so also with DNA
33:46by Alessia
33:47At that time
33:47I thank Francesco Palo
33:49and I wanted to show you
33:50the photography
33:50Of
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