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00:00This evening we will show you for the first time a list that will make an impression on you.
00:05They are the girls who disappear in 1983.
00:09In 1983, not only Emanuele Orlandi and Mirella Gregori disappeared.
00:14There are so many girls.
00:16They've come home and maybe they can tell us something.
00:20They were approached by someone to solve the mystery of mysteries.
00:25There were many beaten tracks.
00:27Perhaps the first is the so-called white slave trade.
00:32We go there in those years with Paolo Fattori, Francesco Paolo del Re and Gianlorenzo Gregoretti.
00:42What class are you in?
00:46Scientific Lyceum.
00:47Emanuele Orlandi is in the front row.
00:50When he participates with his class in the Rai 1 program TAN.
00:54Neither do you, ma'am.
00:55Smiling, amused and also careful not to make any gaffes.
01:00Perhaps a little awkward, as is normal for a 15-year-old girl.
01:07But it is this photo that will become the emblem of all missing persons.
01:12The disappearance of all disappearances, marked by many mysteries and misdirections.
01:18Marked by international leads linked to the attack on Pope John Paul II,
01:23up to the connection between the Magliana gang and the economic-financial interests of the IOR,
01:28the Vatican Bank, at that time headed by the very powerful Monsignor Marcinkus.
01:36But there is another path, initially explored and then abandoned, which has been little discussed: the sexual one.
01:43In those years, newspapers wrote about the trafficking of white women, girls and young women, who ended up who knows where.
01:50And it is from here that we want to start again, from a sensational fact.
01:54In Rome and its surroundings, over the course of about a year and a half, around the time Emanuele disappeared
01:59Orlandi,
02:01Another 321 young minors disappear, 144 boys and 177 girls.
02:09They disappear even for just a few hours, but the number is impressive.
02:16What happened to the young Vatican citizen on June 22nd?
02:21We know that that afternoon Emanuela arrives in Piazza Santa Polinare,
02:25where the Tommaso Ludovico da Vittoria Music Institute is located.
02:29He's late and runs up the stairs of the building to get to the top floor.
02:34His flute lesson has already started.
02:38The building in Piazza Santa Polinare is an imposing one and does not only house the music school.
02:45Inside there are other Catholic institutions and various offices, perhaps private.
02:51To understand better we asked for the help of Monsignor Valentino Miserax,
02:56Emanuela's choral singing teacher.
02:59After many years we managed to meet him.
03:02He tells us that there were the offices of the Italian Catholic University Federation,
03:08the Institute of Arabic and Islamic Studies,
03:10on the fourth and fifth floors there was the music school
03:13and the offices of the future President of the Republic, Oscar Luigi Scalforo.
03:18Finally there was also the Circolo San Pietro.
03:21The Circolo San Pietro means that it was made up of people, men above all,
03:31who had either been employed in the Vatican or of the ancient Papal Guard.
03:37But what kind of recreational club?
03:40Yes, cultural, more than recreational, it was cultural, cultural and religious.
03:46What was done?
03:47There's the Circolo San Pietro, you see these distinguished gentlemen, mostly lay people.
03:55I don't remember seeing it, but of course they certainly had some priests and spiritual assistants.
04:04So the music school occupies the top floor and some rooms on the lower floor.
04:11Emanuela, after the flute lesson, must follow the choral singing lesson
04:15and his teacher is precisely Monsignor Miserax.
04:19They tell me he told me I should leave a few moments earlier
04:25and I have permission to force them.
04:27And I said, okay, okay.
04:30Then she got up, went out, etc.
04:33I don't remember this because every now and then someone would get up and leave.
04:38I thought, either he has permission or he doesn't.
04:42Indeed, Emanuela, before the end of the lesson, gets up and goes to call home.
04:48His sister Federica answers.
04:50It's around 6:45 pm.
04:52He told me that while he was going to music school
04:56she had been stopped by a man
04:58and he asked her if she was interested in doing this flyering job,
05:04of Avon promotion,
05:06at a Fontana sisters fashion show
05:10which would have been held at the Sala Burromini,
05:14in the square of the New Church.
05:16And they would have given her a compensation of around 300,000 lire, I think it was said.
05:22And clearly I told her that 300,000 lire seemed truly impossible to me.
05:27that they could give her for a day's work.
05:30Maybe he wanted to talk to mom.
05:32Yes.
05:32Ah, was he looking for mom?
05:33That wasn't there.
05:33That wasn't there, so you answered yourself.
05:35And you advised against it?
05:37Yes, the only thing he told me was that
05:40this person would have been waiting outside the school
05:43to find out whether she agreed to do it or not.
05:48Why would he have to do it right away?
05:51No, the following Saturday.
05:54It's the man with the BMW.
05:56We've always talked about it.
05:57The man who would have offered Emanuela the job of work.
06:01The man Emanuela supposedly met outside the Santa Polinare building
06:05before the flute lesson.
06:06The mysterious man who remained unnamed, of whom we only have an identikit.
06:14It could have been something different, right?
06:17Maybe the person had done it to him, he was a person in good faith,
06:20then seeing what had happened he melted away.
06:23For example, that was also a hypothesis.
06:25As could be the hypothesis that it was a system
06:28somehow to entice the girl
06:32and get someone to listen to you, in short.
06:37Emanuela also confides in Raffaella about the job offer,
06:40a schoolmate of hers.
06:42He does it when he leaves the institute, once the lesson is over,
06:45as they walk together towards the bus stop.
06:50Raffaella isn't the only friend at music school
06:52to remember those moments.
06:54Maria Grazia is also there.
06:57When we reached the stop, both Raffaella and I
06:59we waved goodbye to Emanuela,
07:01which was already on site
07:03and together with another girl whose name I don't remember.
07:05But I can say that this last one too
07:07he attends music school.
07:08A girl a little shorter than Emanuela
07:11with short, curly, black hair.
07:13I remember perfectly that Emanuela
07:15he had the typical behavior of someone who is impatient.
07:19At approximately 7.20pm, Raffaella and Maria Grazia
07:22they take the bus and leave.
07:24What happens next?
07:26Who is the short girl, dark curly hair?
07:29who is Emanuela with?
07:30Remained unknown.
07:33Statements from Emanuela's companions
07:35about what happens after school
07:37they don't always coincide.
07:39For example, Laura remembers things differently.
07:43During the course of birth
07:45which I walked,
07:46I turned around several times
07:48to check if the group had moved.
07:50Emanuela was about 20 meters behind me
07:53and further back came all the others.
07:56Having almost reached the end of the birth course,
07:58I turned around again and saw only friends
08:00while Emanuela was no longer there.
08:04Emanuela has arrived or she never arrived
08:06the bus stop?
08:08Why Raffaella and Maria Grazia
08:10they remember her at the bus stop
08:12while for Laura Emanuela
08:14does it seem to disappear along the way?
08:17The police questioned again
08:19the girls' two friends
08:20that they left her on Wednesday afternoon
08:22excused at a bus stop
08:24near the conservatory
08:25where he studied flute and choral singing.
08:27The hypothesis of a kidnapping has been discarded
08:29for the purpose of extortion
08:30given the family's economic conditions,
08:32Investigators believe it is more likely
08:34that the young woman may have been induced
08:36with persuasion or against his will
08:38not to return home
08:39after meeting someone you know
08:41or with a casual friend.
08:44Investigators immediately
08:46they discard the kidnapping
08:48and they are looking for a person
08:49that Emanuela might have known
08:51that same day
08:52or in the previous days.
08:55There is one aspect of that day
08:57which has never been taken seriously
08:58under consideration.
09:00It's a beautiful summer evening.
09:02In Piazza Navona,
09:03a few meters from where it was seen
09:05the last time Emanuela,
09:06there is a demonstration promoted
09:08from the Organized Unemployed Committee,
09:11a left-wing movement
09:12born in 68
09:13with the collaboration
09:15by Radio Proletaria.
09:17Behind me
09:18there is the palace
09:18where did Emanuela come from?
09:19that evening.
09:20A few meters away
09:21right here in front
09:22there is Piazza Navona.
09:25Two concerts are scheduled.
09:27The first between 7pm and 8pm.
09:30The horns are honking,
09:31a Roman punk band.
09:35To follow
09:36i Clean Teeth Food and General Sand,
09:38a Jamaican group.
09:40Naturally,
09:40all free.
09:42That is, basically the stage
09:43he was here.
09:44Facing over there.
09:46And then all the audience...
09:47We played like this,
09:48the entire audience
09:49he was on this side.
09:50And the square was practically
09:52overflowing.
09:53We arrive here
09:53around half past five,
09:55for the soundcheck.
09:57In a first part
09:58they were all there
09:58our following
10:00of punk,
10:01skinheads of the time,
10:02rockers.
10:03When we got here
10:04they were all already there
10:06that they were all here,
10:07so we're a bit there
10:08grouped together.
10:08We are the covered backs,
10:10let's say.
10:10We took courage
10:11with them, in short.
10:13And then,
10:13in the back
10:14there were the others
10:15that followed
10:17Clint Eastwood
10:19more about reggae.
10:20It's different from yours.
10:21Well yes,
10:22why is he leaving,
10:22it's reggae,
10:23just reggae.
10:24That was a concert
10:25which has remained historic,
10:27precisely because
10:28it was made here, in short.
10:30You were very young.
10:32We were 19 years old.
10:37So,
10:37it's not just any concert.
10:39For those guys,
10:41for the horns,
10:42it's the concert,
10:43that of life.
10:47This is the context
10:49what's there
10:49that June 22nd
10:50outside the music school.
10:53Piazza Navona
10:54it's really just a few meters away.
10:56Can you help us?
10:58If anyone was present
10:59at that concert
11:00can help us
11:01to rebuild
11:02that evening.
11:03Let's hope
11:04were taken
11:05some photos
11:05which could become
11:07very important.
11:12Look,
11:13we always try.
11:14If you have photographs,
11:15video
11:15of that day
11:16outside Piazza Navona
11:18in,
11:18for us everything
11:19it can be important.
11:21At that time,
11:21let's get back to the slopes.
11:23There is one
11:23of which we have not told you
11:25never spoken yet.
11:26There is a small file
11:27that we in the editorial staff
11:28we call
11:29of the cinematographers.
11:32Something about
11:33someone
11:34who frequented
11:34the Basilica
11:35of Santa Polinere.
11:37Because that
11:37which has never been understood,
11:38the disappearance
11:39by Emanuele Orlandi
11:40has to do with
11:41with this basilica.
11:42To Tiguo,
11:43naturally,
11:43there is the institute
11:44where she
11:45he gave lessons
11:46of music.
11:48At that time,
11:48let's also see
11:48this file
11:49which remained
11:50somehow
11:51hidden
11:52with Paolo Fattori,
11:53Francis Paul
11:54of the King
11:54and Gian Lorenzo
11:55Gregoretti.
12:03It's a recording
12:05shocking.
12:06A young woman
12:07he complains,
12:08he cries,
12:08suffers
12:09and begs for mercy
12:10while it comes
12:11tortured
12:11and tortured.
12:12He asks his
12:13Guzzini
12:14to stop it.
12:17The recording
12:18it is done
12:19find
12:1925 days
12:20After
12:20the disappearance
12:21by Emanuele Orlandi.
12:23And her?
12:24Isn't that her?
12:25is it false?
12:26It's taken
12:27from a porn movie?
12:28Is it true?
12:29To what extent
12:31he arrives
12:31human wickedness?
12:33I don't feel bad.
12:34Help.
12:35For years
12:35Emanuela's family
12:37they did not succeed
12:37to listen
12:38that recording.
12:39Too much pain.
12:41This document too
12:42it gets lost
12:43in the immense
12:44Orlandi dossier.
12:45God leave me
12:46sleep now.
12:48Meaning what
12:48it bothers me more
12:49the idea
12:51of a socket
12:53around
12:53in ours
12:54comparisons
12:55in a moment
12:55of pain.
12:56It bothers me more
12:58that.
12:58And this criminal
13:00who sent
13:01this thing
13:02built
13:03true that it is
13:04or built
13:05it's a thing
13:08mind-blowing.
13:09I said it
13:10Unfortunately
13:11they are there
13:12some sentences
13:12that struck me
13:13as soon as
13:14I heard it.
13:15The one that
13:16it had been said
13:16at the time
13:17Please
13:17let me sleep
13:18or
13:19they are there
13:20some expressions
13:21some sentences
13:21it's obvious
13:22they have passed
13:23many years
13:23Therefore
13:23maybe
13:24sound
13:24influenced
13:25but I
13:26listening
13:27the first time
13:28that I listened to it
13:28I imagined
13:31Emanuela
13:31that he said
13:32those sentences
13:36I hope I can
13:37err
13:37the fact
13:37is that
13:38In my opinion
13:39it is not
13:40one thing
13:41fake
13:41it's not a movie
13:43porn
13:43even if it is not about
13:44by Emanuela
13:45Surely
13:45she's a girl
13:46who is suffering
13:47at that moment
13:48this is the only thing
13:49which I'm not convinced of
13:50in the immense dossier
13:56Orlandi
13:56there is also
13:57a small file
13:58a thread
13:58of investigation
13:59that between us
14:00when we talk about it
14:01in the editorial office
14:02we call it
14:03the track
14:03of the cinematographers
14:06the documents
14:08they are almost all
14:08drafted
14:09by men
14:09of the mobile squad
14:10homicide section
14:11of Rome
14:12so
14:13about Emanuela
14:14we are investigating
14:14even for murder
14:18a track
14:18which would lead
14:19directly
14:20inside the school
14:21of music
14:21Thomas Louis
14:22from Vittoria
14:24there are many girls
14:26but one of them
14:27disappears
14:30ready?
14:31Good evening
14:31Excuse me
14:32if I bother you
14:33she doesn't know me
14:34my name is
14:35Francis Paul
14:36of the King
14:36and work
14:37I'm not interested
14:39what does he have to sell?
14:40No
14:41I don't have to sell anything
14:42I want to ask her
14:42a help
14:43if it's possible
14:43it's a story
14:44very delicate
14:45this lady
14:47at the time
14:48of the disappearance
14:48by Emanuela
14:49she is a young woman
14:50woman
14:5024 years old
14:51to name her
14:53we will use
14:53a fictitious name
14:54we'll call her
14:55Claudia
14:56that day
14:58that June 22nd
14:59to the singing course
15:00choral
15:01she's there too
15:02it's bigger
15:04by Emanuela
15:04it's probably
15:06the most adult
15:07compared to girls
15:08present
15:09at the time
15:10I had
15:11my parents
15:12who worked
15:13there in the school
15:14I attended
15:15some lessons
15:16of choral singing
15:17and maybe with Emanuela
15:19I must have been there once
15:20in class
15:21also because then
15:22at the time
15:22In short
15:23everyone
15:24we were involved
15:25interrogated
15:26pull yourself in
15:28so she was heard
15:30but we were all heard
15:32all people
15:33who had access
15:35at school
15:36they were questioned
15:37the pits
15:38the secretariats
15:39my parents
15:40they were in the secretary's office
15:42Don Valentino
15:43Sister Loretto
15:44everyone
15:45we have all been involved
15:47them in my opinion
15:48they were only looking for
15:50to understand
15:51if there was any
15:52handle
15:53some scoundrel
15:54some people
15:55that could
15:58somehow
15:59to have approached
16:01there in the environment
16:02of the school
16:04so the investigators
16:05they are looking for a scoundrel
16:07inside the school
16:08what he might have done
16:09of evil to Emanuela
16:10and they all listen
16:12I have always been amazed
16:15that of not having been
16:17never consulted
16:19Carabinieri
16:21police
16:22I don't know
16:22so I never listened to it
16:25never
16:25even though she was
16:26the last teacher
16:28having seen Emanuela
16:29that day
16:29never
16:30I think that
16:31Sister Dolores
16:32he assumed
16:33her in hand
16:34the whole situation
16:35but they could also
16:37ask me something
16:40Monsignor Valentino
16:41Miserax
16:41he is not heard
16:43probably
16:44the woman gets confused
16:45have passed
16:46many years
16:46but let's hear instead
16:48what he receives
16:49the information
16:50of the police
16:51regarding the presence
16:52by Claudia
16:52in school
16:53they work there
16:54of the spouses
16:55who have a daughter
16:5524 year old
16:56drug addict
16:57that in recent times
16:58had participated
16:59as an extra
17:00in several films
17:01pornographic
17:03we don't know
17:04if Claudia
17:05have ever participated
17:06to some movie
17:07pornographic
17:07as it is written
17:08in the information
17:09of the police
17:11Surely
17:11he made some cameos
17:13what she calls them
17:13but yes
17:15I had done
17:15of the cameos
17:17It's not what I did
17:18who knows what
17:20I audition
17:21I've never done it
17:21I wasn't
17:22I mean, I'm little
17:24with a cute face
17:26I didn't have it at all
17:28the children
17:29with a brunette
17:30with the eyes
17:31of cats
17:32I was little
17:33this girl stood out
17:35it also emerged as
17:37as height
17:38and how
17:39also as
17:40thanks to his staff
17:42In short
17:42era
17:43he had a natural sympathy
17:47Yes
17:47a beautiful girl
17:49Yes
17:50the police report
17:54homicide section
17:55continues
17:55Furthermore
17:56the same was indicated
17:58as conjugated
17:59to a young man
17:59his peer
18:00drug addict
18:01criminal record
18:02sound engineer
18:03engaged occasionally
18:04in the cinematographic environment
18:06I'm just telling you
18:08that we separated
18:10after four months of marriage
18:12for which
18:13I think this is
18:15an answer
18:17exhaustive
18:18In short
18:18but he was a good boy
18:20only he was a young man
18:21and presumptuous
18:22I was very young
18:24very fascinated
18:25from her beautiful green eyes
18:26and I saw little else
18:30Claudia has a younger brother
18:32he also frequents
18:34the Tommaso Ludovico Institute
18:35from Vittoria
18:36study piano
18:37actually my sister
18:39he knew well
18:40Emanuela Orlandi
18:41because both
18:41they sang in the choir
18:42of the school
18:43and they were next to each other
18:44so there is no doubt
18:46that between the two
18:46there was a relationship
18:47greater knowledge
18:48or of friendship
18:49he knows in fact
18:50that the next day
18:51of the disappearance
18:51by Emanuela Orlandi
18:52my sister
18:53he called home
18:54and talked about the fact
18:55saying
18:56you saw
18:57Emanuela has disappeared
18:58together with my parents
19:00we hypothesized
19:01that maybe
19:01in the disappearance
19:02by Emanuela Orlandi
19:03there could have been
19:04my brother-in-law's hand
19:05as I said
19:06it's just a hypothesis
19:07what we did
19:07because my brother-in-law
19:09in addition to using drugs
19:10has a personality
19:11unpredictable
19:13that of the parents
19:14by Claudia
19:15it's just a bad feeling
19:17or
19:17there is a grain of truth
19:20I read
19:21of the minutes
19:22in which his parents
19:23they were saying
19:23That
19:25we keep
19:25that can
19:26center
19:27with this disappearance
19:29my parents
19:30they can't
19:31to have said
19:32one thing
19:32of the genre
19:34let's continue
19:35let's hear what he said
19:36the girl's father
19:38our concern
19:40arises from the fact
19:40that we know
19:41that our daughter
19:42he attended
19:43anomalous environments
19:44misguided
19:45and what's more
19:46with the same
19:47we lost
19:47every contact
19:48since he left
19:50the community
19:52so
19:52fear exists
19:53the investigators
19:54they concentrate
19:55about Claudia
19:56we remember
19:56which is a name
19:57of fantasy
19:57and on her husband
19:59they are looking for them
20:00but they don't find them
20:01she is searched
20:02the house too
20:03of the family
20:03of the husband
20:04on the coast
20:04north of Rome
20:06apparently nothing
20:08they track down instead
20:09a friend
20:10of the girl
20:10such a one
20:11what does the director do?
20:12cinematic
20:13I had
20:14the precise one
20:15sensation
20:15that they
20:16they were worried
20:17considering it possible
20:18a possible one
20:19co-responsibility
20:20of the daughter
20:20and his son-in-law
20:21for the note
20:21story
20:23therefore
20:23the director too
20:24explicit
20:25the perplexities
20:26expressed by parents
20:27by Claudia
20:27the director
20:29he knows the girl
20:30about a year
20:31Before
20:31on the set of a film
20:32for a period
20:34among themselves
20:34there is also
20:35a love story
20:36He's 52 years old
20:37little more
20:38she's 20 years old
20:39always according to
20:40what he writes
20:41the information
20:42of the police
20:43the relationship
20:44but it doesn't last
20:45Very
20:45because the woman
20:46meet that one
20:47which will become
20:48her husband
20:49the director
20:50Anyway
20:51remains in excellent condition
20:52reports
20:52be with her
20:53who with his family
20:54among other things
20:55the young girl's father
20:56makes an appearance
20:57in one of his films
20:58let's hear the film
21:00he is one of us
21:01family friend
21:02he often came
21:03at our house
21:04and he is the one
21:04which gave work
21:05to my sister too
21:06making her participate
21:07to several films
21:09the young girl's father
21:10continuing
21:11in his deposition
21:12adds a detail
21:15when we read it
21:16the first time
21:17in the editorial office
21:17we took a leap
21:18from the chair
21:19for a moment
21:20we were left breathless
21:22let's listen
21:22yes indeed
21:24the director
21:25he came
21:25at school
21:26of Saint Polinare
21:27last spring
21:28almost certainly
21:29during the month of May
21:31of 1983
21:32the first time
21:33he came
21:34to visit
21:35to me and my wife
21:36on board
21:37of a BMW
21:37two doors
21:38light green in color
21:39metallic
21:41one of the questions
21:43bigger ones
21:44of the Orlandi case
21:45always remained
21:46unanswered
21:47And
21:47who he spoke to
21:48Emanuela
21:49out of school
21:50of music
21:51before entering
21:52late
21:52at the flute lesson
21:53the mysterious man
21:55of the Avon
21:56to understand each other
21:57the policeman Sambuco
21:58at the time
21:59serving in the Senate
22:00he said this
22:01about that man
22:02and his car
22:03what kind of car was it?
22:04the car was
22:05a BMW
22:06dark BMW
22:07why a BMW
22:08type
22:09metallic
22:10but dark
22:11a dark green
22:12a brown
22:13but a dark one
22:14the traffic warden
22:15he's talking about a BMW
22:16green or brown
22:18he doesn't remember well
22:19but he says
22:20that was dark
22:21and metallic
22:22the investigators
22:23At that time
22:23ask the director
22:24information
22:25on his car
22:26I am actually
22:28owner
22:28of a car
22:29BMW
22:30gray in color
22:31metallic
22:32recently purchased
22:33in September
22:34used
22:34I traded in
22:35another car
22:37of the same model
22:38a 520
22:39green in color
22:40metallic
22:42so
22:43the director
22:44owns at that time
22:45a BMW
22:45metallic gray
22:47purchased
22:47ten months ago
22:49and first
22:50had had
22:50an identical car
22:51but green
22:52metallic
22:53as he says
22:54a BMW 520
22:55possible
22:57that the day
22:57of the disappearance
22:58by Emanuela
22:59the director
23:00ditches nearby
23:01of the music school
23:02actually
23:03I was
23:04as many as two
23:05On the contrary
23:05four times
23:06at the music school
23:08of Santa Pollinare square
23:09the visits
23:10they were due
23:11to the fact
23:11that I accompanied
23:12Claudia's father
23:13or
23:14the girl herself
23:18when the investigators
23:20they finally find
23:21Claudia and her husband
23:21the two young people
23:22they make themselves available
23:24to be heard
23:25they say
23:26that they had gone
23:26outside Rome
23:27where there is a little house
23:28of the family
23:28to rest
23:29a few days
23:30the girl
23:31confirms knowledge
23:32by Emanuela
23:33but he says he is
23:34completely strange
23:35to the disappearance
23:36while the husband
23:38declares not to have it
23:39never met
23:40but he Emanuela
23:41he didn't know her
23:42but how did he do it?
23:44to know her
23:45No
23:46no but then
23:47In short
23:47we are talking
23:48Of
23:49no come on
23:50Not
23:51Truly
23:52but she thinks
23:53That
23:53there is the
23:55police
23:56that at the time
23:57In short
23:58he called us
23:59he asked us
24:01he made us
24:01there she thinks
24:02that not
24:03they didn't think
24:04to all these things
24:05then in short
24:06he knew about it
24:07over the years
24:08which unfortunately
24:09things
24:09they are much bigger
24:11of that
24:11That
24:12that could be done
24:13Perhaps
24:14to detract
24:15at that moment
24:16at random
24:17In short
24:17Peter himself
24:18Emanuela's brother
24:20he knows it very well
24:22That
24:22it's not a story
24:24small
24:24In short
24:25Unfortunately
24:27the bad feeling
24:29expressed by parents
24:31of the young woman
24:32classmate
24:33by Emanuela
24:33it was unfounded
24:34it was just a suggestion
24:36the director's BMW
24:38it was just
24:39a bizarre coincidence
24:40the track
24:42of the cinematographers
24:43it stops
24:44it doesn't go forward
24:46there is one last thing
24:47but
24:48which always happens
24:49that day
24:49June 22nd
24:50inside the school
24:51of music
24:52the parents
24:53of the young woman
24:54they celebrate
24:55the silver wedding
24:56that day
24:57Don Valentino
24:58celebrated
25:00him
25:00the anniversary
25:01of the wedding
25:02of mom and dad
25:03and we were
25:04everyone there
25:05but it was all there
25:05our family
25:06because it was a party
25:08the fact is that it's over
25:10the mass
25:12I went home
25:13and then they passed
25:15to pick me up
25:16to go to dinner
25:17to the castles
25:18at Grotta Ferrata
25:20It's around 7:20 pm
25:22inside the music school
25:24it is being celebrated
25:25an anniversary
25:26of marriage
25:27out
25:28in Piazza Navona
25:29thousands of kids
25:30they dance
25:31and they have fun
25:32listening to the concert
25:33of the classes
25:34and their music
25:35and in the meantime
25:36Emanuele Orlandi
25:37disappears
25:44how many people
25:45they disappear
25:46you ask us
25:47Always
25:48how many come back
25:50not all
25:50At that time
25:51what he did to us
25:52impression
25:53working
25:53we always work
25:54on these cases
25:55they are the girls
25:57minors
25:57that disappear
25:58in 1983
25:59the year
26:00in which they disappear
26:01Emanuele Orlandi
26:03Mirella Gregori
26:04and you all remember it
26:05he is killed
26:05the little one
26:06Things
26:07Garramonna
26:08At that time
26:08what we ask ourselves
26:10maybe some
26:11of these girls
26:12who then returned home
26:13she was approached
26:14from someone
26:14can help us
26:16can make us do it
26:17one step closer
26:18in what is becoming
26:20the mystery
26:21of mysteries
26:22We see
26:22with the envoys
26:23Paul Factors
26:24Francesco Paolo Del Re
26:25and Gian Lorenzo
26:26Gregoretti
26:30Rosita
26:31Anna
26:31Scarlett
26:32Catherine
26:33Julia
26:33Katia
26:34the list is long
26:35and we can continue
26:37at least 321 times
26:40this is the number
26:41of young minors
26:42disappeared only in Rome
26:44and surroundings
26:44between the end of 1982
26:46and all of 1983
26:51look
26:52among these
26:53there are also
26:53Emanuele Orlandi
26:54and Mirella Gregori
26:57the girls
26:58there are 177
26:59while the boys
27:00there are 144
27:02and the total
27:03makes 321
27:04an impressive number
27:07almost a missing person
27:08per day
27:09only in the area
27:10of the capital
27:12it was after
27:13the disappearance
27:14by Mirella
27:14and Emanuela
27:15that the police headquarters
27:16of Rome
27:16he wanted to draft
27:17this list
27:18to understand
27:19if the two young women
27:20and girls
27:20were somehow
27:22tied
27:22from a drawing
27:23criminal
27:23wider
27:24a girl
27:25accustomed to living
27:26in the family
27:27it's not that it disappears
27:29Like this
27:29evidently
27:31it must have happened
27:31something very serious
27:33but she thought
27:34to an isolated maniac?
27:36at the beginning yes
27:37and it's likely
27:38that it was like this
27:39an isolated maniac
27:40or
27:41it was also said
27:43an organization
27:44that he procured
27:45the girls
27:46For
27:48Like this
27:48to export them
27:50the hypothesis
27:52of the trade
27:52of the whites
27:55in that period
27:56we are talking about
27:57white slave trade
27:58of girls
27:58and young women
27:59disappeared
28:00after being
28:01income
28:01in a shop
28:02not only
28:03we also talk about
28:04of recruiters
28:05that wander
28:06for the city
28:07looking for young people
28:08for auditions
28:08details
28:10for the doctor
28:11Margherita Gerunda
28:12the first magistrate
28:14to take care of
28:14of the case
28:15the sexual track
28:16it was the most plausible
28:18and she was investigating
28:19right in that direction
28:21the investigations
28:23they began
28:24with this hypothesis
28:25of crime
28:25Meaning what
28:26kidnapping
28:27for the purpose
28:28of lust
28:29as he says
28:29the code
28:32there was this myth
28:34to do
28:34the actress
28:36for which
28:37Perhaps
28:37they offered him
28:38come and audition
28:39we give you
28:41the possibility
28:42to become a star
28:44the boys
28:44perhaps unprepared
28:45a bit
28:47little noticed
28:48they left each other
28:49to enchant
28:50they were going
28:50to do
28:51these auditions
28:52etc.
28:52and then maybe
28:53it happened there
28:54the incident
28:54but it was widespread
28:56Anyway
28:56in those years
28:57well yes
28:57the news was
28:58that there were
28:59several cases
29:00people who
29:01somehow
29:04he was in the world
29:05of the cinema
29:05or anyway
29:06they would have wanted
29:07enter it
29:08In short
29:09rabble anyway
29:12Federica too
29:13Orlandi
29:14at the time
29:14little more
29:15what a twenty-year-old
29:15it was close
29:17a few days before
29:18of the disappearance
29:19of his sister
29:20Emanuela
29:20she is approached
29:22from a man
29:23before disappearing
29:25by Emanuela
29:26I was approached
29:27from this
29:27from this person
29:29which he then told me
29:30to be called Felix
29:31I was on the bus
29:32and he stopped me
29:33asking me
29:34if I was interested
29:36to make an appearance
29:37for a film
29:38that were filming
29:39in Civita Vecchia
29:40the last days
29:41of Pompeii
29:43they would have paid
29:45one hundred thousand euros
29:46per day
29:46one hundred thousand lire
29:47one hundred thousand lire
29:48one hundred thousand lire
29:50per day
29:50and nothing
29:53it would have been
29:54a clean film
29:55clean
29:56he told her
29:57clean
29:58Yes
29:58in the sense
29:59maybe one
30:01he could think
30:02That
30:02he says no
30:03maybe
30:04which movie
30:04can you propose to me?
30:10a man
30:11what does he say?
30:11to call themselves
30:12Felix
30:12and who would it be
30:14Felix
30:14we have some
30:16already spoken
30:16it's a name
30:17that is not forgotten
30:18easily
30:19sometimes
30:20he introduces himself
30:21as a Canadian
30:22other times
30:23as Polish
30:23he is a man
30:25who knows well
30:26Rome
30:26he's smart
30:27there are many
30:29the girls
30:30come closer
30:30from this
30:31phantom
30:31person
30:32always with
30:33the same
30:33Excuse me
30:33do you want to do
30:34the appearance
30:35at the cinema
30:37the name
30:38by Felix
30:38he goes out
30:39for the first
30:39time
30:40in the newspapers
30:40when still
30:41Emanuela
30:42it's not a
30:42lass
30:42disappearance
30:44a young man
30:45Roman
30:46he kills himself
30:46hanging himself
30:47for shame
30:48for some photos
30:48pornographic
30:49but first
30:50to kill himself
30:51leave a letter
30:52a jacquise
30:53naming names
30:55of who would have it
30:55junkie
30:56and tricked
30:57among which
30:58there is indeed
30:58a certain
30:59Mr. Felix
31:01from him
31:02it would have been
31:02recruited
31:03with the proposal
31:04of an alleged
31:05Work
31:05of flyers
31:06for death
31:07of that young man
31:08Felix
31:09he was heard
31:10from the magistrate
31:11but the thing
31:11he didn't go
31:14disappears
31:14Emanuela
31:15Orlanti
31:15the investigators
31:17they discover
31:17that numerous
31:18young
31:19they were
31:19stop
31:20on the street
31:20and attracted
31:21with offers
31:22of work
31:22of various types
31:23and the name
31:24by Felix
31:25as it turns out
31:26from the minutes
31:26returns
31:27he was just
31:28there
31:29at university
31:30to select
31:32to choose
31:34girls
31:34university
31:36very young
31:37and penniless
31:38he told me
31:38that it wasn't necessary
31:40having studied
31:41acting
31:42that I had
31:42a beautiful breast
31:43I had
31:44a nice rear
31:45Therefore
31:46I could easily
31:48do that job
31:50There are many stories
31:51as for example
31:52that of a girl
31:54lured to CinecittÃ
31:55a certain Felix
31:56he proposes to her
31:57an advertising service
31:58but then she
31:59he finds out it's a porn movie
32:01and manages to escape
32:03Felix
32:03is being searched for
32:04and tracked down
32:05and again
32:06listened to
32:07by the investigators
32:08this time
32:09together with him
32:10there is another man
32:11him too
32:12is heard
32:13at a distance
32:14of many years
32:15we went
32:15to find it several times
32:16to ask him
32:17what were they looking for?
32:18from them
32:19the carabinieri
32:20they searched me
32:22the house
32:22then they took me
32:23at the station
32:24of Inselci Street
32:25a policeman
32:29he began to say
32:30That
32:36that also
32:37the girls
32:40that the girls
32:40they can be
32:41even exciting
32:42In short
32:44I don't want to
32:46although
32:49it's not the truth
32:51because the girls
32:52they are exciting
32:54Anyway
32:54I answered no
32:55Like this
32:58being treated
32:58of the carabinieri
32:59you can't show
33:00That
33:02but the question
33:03if you like them
33:05the little girls
33:05they only did it
33:06to her
33:06or they did it
33:07even to Felix
33:08and they will have done it to him
33:09first to him
33:10and then to me
33:10if I already told you
33:11if I had seen
33:12lastly
33:13Emanuele Orlandi
33:14I would have said it
33:15to the police
33:15No?
33:16Certain
33:16but anyway
33:17you are accusing me
33:18of something
33:19it's not funny
33:20in this case
33:23after that interrogation
33:25be Felix
33:25that the friend
33:26they were no longer
33:27heard by the investigators
33:28and all those reports
33:30they end up in the big
33:31Orlando dossier
33:33there are instead numerous
33:34the people
33:35who contacted us
33:36to tell us
33:37like that man
33:38that guy
33:39who calls himself
33:40Felix
33:40turned out to be a character
33:42ambiguous
33:43he approached me
33:45proposing to me
33:46to do
33:47a movie
33:48I remember
33:49which was a movie
33:50pornographic
33:50because otherwise
33:51I wouldn't have had any left
33:52imprinted in memory
33:53he also proposed to me
33:54to become
33:55a companion
34:00driver
34:01I don't remember well
34:02what was the formula like
34:03he said
34:04of an old engineer
34:06Roman
34:07who was looking for boys
34:08let's say
34:09at the time
34:10performing
34:12I think
34:12to stay at home
34:14with him
34:15a girl
34:16he told
34:17which was exactly
34:18sold
34:18to one
34:19who raped her
34:20everyday
34:21and another one
34:22instead it was
34:23locked up
34:23for two months
34:24in a villa
34:26he said
34:26a house
34:27a villa
34:27in Rome
34:28in Rome
34:29in Rome
34:29Yes
34:29who said
34:31they wanted me
34:32make porn films
34:34there he is
34:35it's him
34:35Felix
34:36the alleged recruiter
34:38in this identikit
34:39made by one of ours
34:40viewer
34:41who knew him
34:43and never forgotten
34:44of him
34:45I was left with
34:46very impressed
34:47the eyes
34:47because they were
34:48very small
34:49made very small
34:51from these lenses
34:52very thick
34:53he gave me
34:54very annoying
34:55Why
34:55not putting me
34:57hands on you
34:58he succeeded
34:59Anyway
34:59to make himself
35:00very perverse
35:02truly disgusting
35:03Why
35:04he was staring at me
35:06with a look
35:08I don't know
35:09I don't know
35:09how to describe it
35:12let's not forget
35:13also Emanuele
35:14Orlandi
35:15the day of disappearance
35:16receives from a man
35:17a job offer
35:18and immediately
35:19the attention of the investigators
35:20focuses on this man
35:22with BMW
35:23that has never been
35:24identified
35:25and no
35:26it's not Felix
35:26he doesn't look like him
35:27the investigators
35:29they consider it more likely
35:30that the young woman
35:31may have been induced
35:32with persuasion
35:33or against his will
35:34not to return home
35:35after the meeting
35:36with a known person
35:37or with a friend
35:38occasional
35:39Emanuela's meeting
35:41with that man
35:41it was accidental
35:43or Emanuela
35:44it was noticed
35:45previously
35:46and it was chosen
35:47the most propitious moment
35:48to get closer
35:50and where Emanuela
35:52would have been targeted
35:53within
35:54of the Vatican City
35:56where he lives
35:56or in school environments
36:00we remember
36:00that in the palace
36:01of Saint Polinare
36:02there is not only
36:03the music school
36:04Thomas Lodovico
36:05from Vittoria
36:05there are also
36:06other institutions
36:08inside it
36:08I almost always took
36:12the elevator
36:13for the truth
36:13but sometimes
36:15I also made the ladder
36:16and of course
36:18happened to meet
36:19people who
36:21not just anyone
36:23but who he frequented
36:25these various
36:27various institutions
36:29a lot of people coming and going
36:31in the palace of Santa Polinare
36:32to which is added
36:34the high number
36:35of the students
36:36registered directly
36:36at the music school
36:39the school had
36:40a big increase
36:42also as a number
36:43of students
36:43why we arrived
36:45at 700
36:46and maybe even
36:48all this confusion
36:50of people
36:50who was entering
36:51that was rising
36:51that was impossible
36:53also check
36:54to know everyone
36:56it could have been too
36:57a
36:59a coincidence
37:01with facts
37:03In short
37:04tremendous
37:04what happened after
37:05have you ever perceived
37:07that it could be
37:08dangerous
37:09for students
37:10the fact that there was
37:11all this coming and going
37:12in the building
37:14but maybe
37:15little thought was given to it
37:18who is the man
37:19that stops Emanuela
37:20he's one of those characters
37:22dark
37:22that in that period
37:23wander around Rome
37:24luring boys
37:25and girls
37:26with proposals
37:26tempting work
37:29maybe
37:30if in the list
37:30drafted
37:31from the police station
37:32of Rome
37:32some of those guys
37:34oh girls
37:34they have not had
37:35the misfortune
37:36to meet
37:37just one
37:37of these recruiters
37:41321 minors
37:42disappeared
37:43in a little more
37:43of a year
37:44we don't know anything
37:46of their families
37:47of their social background
37:48we only know
37:50that they are all
37:50teenagers
37:51there were none left
37:53all disappeared
37:54like Emanuela and Mirella
37:55many will be
37:57been traced
37:58others
37:59they will have returned
38:00on their own
38:00but
38:01about 40
38:02of those boys
38:03would result
38:04more missing people
38:06and between them
38:07at least 25 kids
38:09is it ever possible
38:12Perhaps
38:12some of these
38:13he will have returned
38:14years later
38:15and the name
38:16it wasn't
38:16how to say
38:17blunt
38:18crossed out
38:18from the list
38:19there would be some left
38:20Anyway
38:21still many
38:22too many
38:23someone
38:24can help us
38:25to understand
38:25what happened
38:28Here you are
38:29all their names
38:30or almost
38:58Michael
39:00disappeared
39:00from Rome
39:01from Rome
39:01unspecified location
39:02Claudia
39:03from Primavalle
39:04Scarlett
39:05from Quadraro
39:06Maria Theresa
39:07disappeared from Rome
39:08unspecified location
39:09then there's Mirella
39:10Mirella Gregori
39:11that we all learned
39:13to know
39:13disappeared from the area
39:14Porta Pia
39:15Lorraine
39:16disappearance in the area
39:17Saint Basil
39:18Claudia
39:18from Centocelle
39:19Angelica
39:20disappearance in the area
39:21Saint Basil
39:22Then
39:23Emanuela
39:24Emanuela Orlandi
39:25disappeared from the area
39:26Saint Pollinaris
39:27Renaissance Course
39:29Simona
39:29from the Celio
39:30Alessandra
39:31from Borgata Ottavia
39:32Stefania
39:33disappearance in the area
39:34Castro Pretorio
39:35Adriana
39:36disappeared from Ostia Lido
39:37Luisa
39:38disappeared from Marino
39:39Luciana
39:40from the Celio
39:41Anna Maria
39:42disappeared from Rome
39:43unspecified location
39:44Katia
39:44disappearance in the area
39:45Casilina
39:46Rosita
39:47Giardinetti area
39:48names
39:49with written
39:50next to
39:51disappeared
39:51and only one year
39:531983
39:54Emanuela's
39:55by Mirella
39:56and of the little one
39:57Jose Garamond
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