00:00And now we've been joined here in the studio by Natalina Orlandi, Emanuela Orlandi's sister.
00:06Good morning, Natalina. Hello. This is Laura Sgro, the lawyer.
00:09Good morning.
00:10Welcome.
00:11Thank you.
00:11You are here for an important reason, because last Sunday, January 14th,
00:18Natalina went to Emanuela's birthday party. She would have turned, and has turned, 50.
00:24For 35 years you, the family...
00:28It's shocking to feel 50 years old, because for us, time stopped in those days.
00:36so we can't even imagine her, that white hair,
00:41in short, almost a few white hairs, maybe at 50 years old.
00:45And you were precisely saying that the birthday is an important date for Emanuela who turned 50
00:50and for this very occasion your mother, Maria, wrote a letter to Emanuela,
00:56which you will read to us later, you will read to us soon.
00:59But before hearing what your mother wrote, your mother to Emanuela for her birthday
01:04fiftieth birthday, we hear from Maria, your mother, in an interview given to Giuseppe Rinaldi
01:12some time ago where he talks about Emanuela. Let's listen.
01:17Emanuela. Emanuela was Emanuela. She was everyone's favorite, kind, gentle, wherever she saw you, she hugged you,
01:27He embraced me openly, he ran after me, he ran after us to hug us. That once the priest said
01:34possible you are, he lives with his mother, it doesn't mean, he says, those that I live with his mother, when he sees her
01:40I like to hug her when she's out of the house. She has ten grandchildren? Yes. And has she told them? Yes, yes, yes,
01:50They know everything, yes. Everything about Emanuela. I mean, you'll see that one day Emanuela will come back and see all this.
01:59brood of grandchildren. What does she tell us? Then she teaches us, she teaches us slowly. And I tell her that she was
02:11a funny girl, she always had her group inside. I remember in the evenings they would join with two or three
02:19Always Vatican friends. I mean, where are you going? They went out, they went to the little gardens where a priest
02:27He used to throw sweets at them from the window, because he saw these three or four little girls playing.
02:34Always in the Vatican City? Yes, yes, yes. Where did you live? Yes, and I remember when I came home.
02:40there was a nice little pile of sweets and Emanuela and Cristina said look, we'll eat these,
02:47He opened the locker and put them in. Then, the next day, it happened that Emanuela
02:54she never came home again.
02:58And you, are these the memories of your mother, of your mother Natalina, your memories of Emanuela?
03:04But I was the big sister, the working sister, but we all renew ourselves at dinner
03:10together, we talked about what we did during the day. The strange thing is that everyone
03:15they don't think we were a normal family, that is, normality seems strange, and instead
03:21We were normal, a family like many others. And we don't understand why this happened.
03:28to us.
03:29And on the birthday, the 14th of January, last Sunday, the birthday
03:34you always said it, every time you came to talk about Emanuela, about her
03:40disappearance, for you it is a wound that never closes and never reopens, it is a wound that is always
03:46open. First of all, I have abolished the word that has disappeared since Emanuela's kidnapping, I say,
03:55because Emanuela was kidnapped, she was taken away, she didn't disappear. This is a
04:01word that we are trying to abolish even within the Penelope Association of which
04:05I'm part of it. We're looking for a different word, because the disappearance of an ambiguous word could be a
04:12deceased person, may have disappeared because aliens took them away,
04:18I don't know. But the word "disappeared" doesn't exist for these cases. Emanuela's is definitely missing.
04:23a kidnapping.
04:25Sure, after so many years, after 35 years, but anyway...
04:29And it is a failure, that is, what Emanuela and Mirella have demonstrated is the failure of a
04:34a certain period. An investigation failure, a failure... because I was unable to
04:39find them. So it's a failure anyway.
04:42Definitely a failure. However, you nominated Mirella Gregori and it's precisely for Mirella and Emanuela that...
04:48there were painters, as proof of memory and people do not forget, they do not forget, there
04:55They were painters who created a beautiful mural. We are at the Serpentone.
05:02From Corviale, they're the anonymous painters of the trullo. Look, there are these...
05:08They wanted to remember Emanuela and Mirella as a symbol, a symbol of all these people
05:15who suddenly don't come home. They are people who don't come home, boys, boys,
05:22Fathers and mothers who don't come home. And failure to return, as we say, isn't a disappearance.
05:29As a replacement for the term disappearance you were talking about before, it would perhaps be more appropriate,
05:35certainly more appropriate to define the situation that Emanuela and many others like her are experiencing.
05:42No, the beautiful thing was done in this place that honestly, as a Roman, I didn't even know.
05:49We are here in the Corviale snake, so an area...
05:53Yes, a suburb of Rome, which if it were helped more, more organized, would be a place where many people
06:03they could be collected.
06:06Meanwhile, there are some flowers, you see, Mirella and Emanuela and others.
06:13But Natalina, we want to read the letter that Maria, that her mother, that your mother wrote for Emanuela
06:18on his fiftieth birthday.
06:21My daughter, today you turn 50.
06:24I should imagine you with white streaks of hair and a few wrinkles on your face, but I can't.
06:31I always see you, little girl, running towards me to give me a hug
06:36and a kiss telling me I love you.
06:40I'm still waiting for your hug, just like I always wait, from one moment to the next,
06:45to hear the first notes of the Chopin nocturne that you played so beautifully
06:49and that you tried to teach Peter a thousand times without much success.
06:55He failed to move forward in learning,
06:58just as we have not been able to move forward in our lives
07:02since they took her away from us.
07:06We have been looking for you all these years, we will continue to look for you.
07:11We will never stop, we will never give up
07:14as long as we have strength, as long as we have breath, as long as we have life.
07:18You will always be our first thought.
07:21My hope, master life, is that who knows what took you from your home
07:27may have a surge of conscience and show you how to find yourself.
07:32Please tell us how to find you.
07:34Happy birthday, my daughter.
07:37So the hope for your mother, for you, is that someone who knows,
07:43because surely there is someone who knows,
07:46Surely,
07:46have a pang of conscience and confess what happened to Emanuele,
07:52on that day and where Emanuele may be, so that he can be found.
07:57And this could definitely be a letter that any mother could have written,
08:02each sister, Mirella's mother if she were still alive.
08:07All these people we know and who unfortunately experience the same anguish.
08:16Obviously you were talking about a failure in these 35 years,
08:19because Emanuele has not been found, your sister has not been found,
08:23but here we have the lawyer Laura Sgro.
08:25Lawyer, before taking stock of the current investigations into the disappearance,
08:31a kidnapping, a kidnapping, a kidnapping, of Emanuele.
08:36Let's watch this short film by Francesco Paolo del Re.
08:46Emanuele, a Vatican citizen and still registered in the Vatican registry,
08:50She disappeared in Rome on June 22, 1983.
08:54The girl had left home to go to the Ludovico da Vittoria music school,
08:58located in Piazza Santa Pollinare, around 4 pm.
09:02At 7pm he called home to ask to speak to his parents,
09:06as a gentleman had offered her a job distributing flyers for the cosmetics company Avon,
09:12and Emanuele needed his parents' consent to accept.
09:17Then, as he was leaving school, Emanuele Orlandi disappeared without a trace.
09:24What you have heard is an excerpt from the new missing person report
09:28by Emanuele Orlandi, presented in the offices of the Vatican Gendarmerie,
09:33by Pietro, Emanuele's brother, and his lawyer, Laura Sgro.
09:38This is the first time that the family has filed a complaint with the Vatican authorities,
09:42because at the time of the kidnapping of Emanuele Orlandi,
09:45the complaint was filed with the Italian police.
09:48But Emanuele is a Vatican citizen,
09:51and with this new complaint, the family hopes that the Vatican will open an investigation,
09:55which are currently archived in Italy,
09:57and in this way we can finally know the truth about Emanuela's fate.
10:02The complaint was filed on November 23,
10:05and still no official response from the Vatican.
10:12Lawyer, everything is at a standstill, what's happening?
10:15It happens that we filed this missing person report,
10:18precisely, last November.
10:20It was my responsibility to contact the commander of the gendarmerie
10:22to find out what stage the investigations were at,
10:25and I was told that the file had been forwarded to the relevant authorities.
10:29To date I have not even been given the name of the promoter of justice,
10:34who would be the public prosecutor of the Vatican State,
10:37to whom the file would be forwarded.
10:40What I would like to say is that finally this opportunity
10:44it would be an opportunity to hear from all those people
10:46that the Italian Prosecutor's Office tried to hear
10:49during three rogatory letters from the Vatican State
10:52and which have never led to a successful outcome.
10:55How much or how little to try to hear from people who are still alive.
10:57Sure, sure.
10:58And from them perhaps get some information that can...
11:02Absolutely, it's the only way.
11:02It is the only matter.
11:03Let's see what happens,
11:05so the next step is to get an answer
11:07then from the Vatican.
11:10We will persist until they give it to us.
11:11And we will insist together with Natalina, together with Maria, together with you
11:15to try to understand what happened to Emanuela
11:19that June 22nd, 35 years ago.
11:21June is 35 years old, right Natalina?
11:23Yes, yes.
11:23And we will be by your side, as always.
11:26Thanks, as always.
11:26Thank you.
11:27Thank you, thank you.
11:28Thank you, thank you.
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