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00:01Natalina, it seems like we're coming back, no, for you it's a nightmare that repeats itself, because after all your sisters, eh, after all,
00:08and hearing, no, the crying of mothers seems like your mother's dish.
00:13The same situation as my mother when my sister passed away, the same, I relived those moments, even after 40 years.
00:19I introduce him, Loris, who is your son, I asked if he could stay with us, because then you don't have
00:24never met your aunt,
00:25for you it's a strange thing, no, this is what happened, you knew it from your story
00:32mom, of your father,
00:33and perhaps also from our stories. When your sister disappeared they told you that this fairy would have gone to
00:40eating a pizza, a prank.
00:42Yes, at the time of reporting one says no, but surely a prank must have gone to eat a pizza with the
00:47friends.
00:49The same thing for you.
00:50Let's say that things have changed in comparison now, though.
00:54Then you two, I have to say that both Natalina and Antonietta are busy with Penelope, which is a very important association,
01:00which has overturned, even with those who saw it, of course, a way of thinking.
01:05In short, two girls, think that both for Mirella and for Emanuela, in short, I was telling the family, now they are coming back,
01:12and here we are talking about it after decades.
01:15So, the news is sensational, the Holy See has confirmed, to those who have seen it, a news that had come out
01:20from the DNA Cronos,
01:22from the press agency, that is, that a file has been opened on Emanuela Orlandi.
01:26Obviously we asked for confirmation because I then send you the news, the messages.
01:33You sent me a question mark, your mom heard about it from...
01:37Let's say we don't have it, we learned it from you, from the press.
01:42We heard about it, it's wonderful, but it's not the press's fault, it's because, well, DNA Cronos...
01:48No, no, because it went out.
01:49She went out.
01:50The problem is that sometimes perhaps there is no sensitivity towards family members,
01:57for example, not you, but your mother still lives inside the Vatican,
02:02and so, in short, he's there inside to say, knock on the door and say, Mrs Maria, look, a door has been opened
02:07file,
02:08then the news will come out, because your mother still lives inside the Vatican.
02:15So, what's going on?
02:18Doctor Fiore is our Gianpietro Fiore who had asked for confirmation
02:26and so, in short, they confirm that a file has been opened
02:31based on requests made by the family in various places.
02:34So, what's going on?
02:35It is the family members who are fighting, rightly,
02:38because you can't forget a sister who has passed away.
02:45So, there are some images that we found with great difficulty
02:48where you see Emanuela Orlandi in tandem, it's a television show.
02:53Let's see it together.
02:54Let me introduce you to the class right away, the second B of the Scientific High School.
02:58of the National Boarding School. Applause.
03:11So, they're two beautiful girls, aren't they? Your sisters.
03:17They disappear in such a short space of time that it clearly makes you think, right?
03:22That something, in any case, united them.
03:25And what happens?
03:26So, in the meantime, there's this, everyone thought, Barbara Ratzinger is dead,
03:32The book by Father Georg's personal secretary comes out and, lo and behold, they open a file.
03:40I honestly haven't thought about this, I mean, I can't find...
03:45Anyway, I don't know if you've seen it, but here, these are five pages from the book by Father
03:51George
03:51and we talk about the mystery of Emanuela and among other things it's beautiful because it also talks about your sister,
03:58he says without ever forgetting that another girl has disappeared.
04:03There's a... I don't know if we can show it, we took five pages where it's talked about.
04:08This is an important book that will be released on newsstands tomorrow.
04:11If we can show the excerpts because it talks about our show, about who saw it
04:16and he says precisely that we had released a note from Father Lombardi,
04:25Father Georg also says that he had given his full availability, in short, his full solidarity to Pietro Orlandi.
04:32that he had... let's see, let's move on with the slides
04:36and had given solidarity to Pietro Orlandi as he himself attested to the presenter
04:43and then it would be me.
04:44It's shocking to see my name in Father Georg's book,
04:47I always tell Father Marcello Colzi, and all the priests of Libera to pray for me.
04:55because sometimes I'm afraid that since I never go to church, it makes an impression.
05:00But what is written here is important because at a certain point we are talking about a dossier.
05:04Father Georg says that this dossier has never been published, it has not been made public
05:09because this dossier where the truth would be written, nothing but the truth and then the book,
05:15This phantom dossier has not been made public solely because it does not exist.
05:20Here, I ask Fabio Tiracchia if he can send me the first part where Gregori is also mentioned,
05:27then there is without forgetting her peer Mirella Gregori, who also disappeared into thin air in those months.
05:33This is nice because it also includes your sister talking about these...
05:37It is also important because it gives a signal that the girls are truly united by the same destiny.
05:43There is something that unites them, even if the truth is not yet known.
05:48No, we know.
05:48When I get to whoever saw it, I ask the author if I can take care of this case,
05:55by the way, that's why I know Natalina who sets limits, do you remember you came to the editorial office and
05:59you said
06:00I want to know how you deal with it because there are so many things said about my sister and you too Mirella
06:07sometimes you say look I want to know how you deal with it.
06:11And it was a case that no one talked about, no one took care of it, it was just there in the drawer.
06:17I must say that a colleague called Rita Pedizzi, a good colleague, had a dossier and told me
06:20but he insisted, he said let's go ahead and ask to do a report on this case.
06:27We did that and a phone call came.
06:29And even in this phone call the two girls are somehow mentioned by the same anonymous caller
06:37who was later discovered who he was by the head of the flying squad Rizzi but he always denied it.
06:42But this phone call is important, let's listen again.
06:48Regarding the case of Emanuele Orlandi, to find a solution to the case
06:51go and see that he is buried in the grippa of the Basilica of Santa Polinare
06:55and of the favor that Renatino did to Cardinal Poletti at the time
06:58and ask the bartender in Via Montebello that her daughter was also with her, with the other Emanuele
07:03and Emanuele's parents know everything.
07:06But since you're silent, you won't say a damn thing like usual.
07:11Via Montebello was where your shop was
07:15so it's someone who somehow intersects with the disappearance of the two girls.
07:22So when they tell us that we are silent, we immediately snap.
07:28so what did we do?
07:29We went to the person in charge of this basilica, you know, Don Vergari.
07:34We went to him to say how is it possible that there isn't an anti-mafia priest?
07:39in your basilica buried in the basement and there is a bandit from the Magliana gang
07:45and what did Vergari answer us?
07:48Good morning, Monsignor, can you explain to us why De Petis's tomb is located in a church?
07:52Listen, here it is.
07:54Do you know anything else about the internet?
07:56Yes.
07:57Then you do www.vergarimonsignorpiero.com
08:01it's all there
08:03Vito?
08:05Monsignor, may I introduce myself?
08:07We didn't even introduce ourselves.
08:08No, listen, you're asking.
08:09Then she, I don't know that she doesn't talk to me
08:11but I'm a fan of those who saw it.
08:13I just wanted to ask you for an explanation.
08:15Listen, my goodness, you guys.
08:16No, I know but I read what he wrote on the site.
08:20There can't possibly be an explanation.
08:22And there is no explanation there.
08:23It's all there, it's all there.
08:25Listen father there.
08:26Is it you with the great voice you heard?
08:28No, the problem is that we started from that
08:31and it's strange.
08:32People also resented this.
08:34It doesn't seem strange to her.
08:35Have a good day, huh?
08:36No, I understand.
08:37Excellent.
08:37But why doesn't he give us an answer?
08:39Excellent.
08:40All there, all there.
08:41HI.
08:43So look, he doesn't want to talk to us, it's okay
08:46because it's not like Don Vergari has to speak, right?
08:48The rector of the Basilica with us of those who saw it.
08:51But with family, well, yes.
08:54Because your family asks you, right?
08:56The girl, Manuela, disappears right after she leaves
08:59from the flute lesson, from music, from the complex one
09:04next to the Basilica of Santa Polinare, in short.
09:07Instead, what does Don Vergari say?
09:10He talks about Peter.
09:12Peter says that one.
09:14That guy is a charlatan.
09:16Let's hear why Don Vergari is being investigated.
09:18and then it gets intercepted.
09:22he said he wants to have contact with me.
09:24That one's brother.
09:25That guy's a charlatan, you know?
09:27He writes books, makes statements and everything.
09:29When he comes to me, I will tell him
09:31Look, I've never met your sister.
09:33I've never seen it.
09:34I don't want to hear about it.
09:36I've only seen it on posters.
09:38That's it, goodbye.
09:39And all the other poor people who died,
09:42who have disappeared here and there,
09:43what should they do?
09:44But just because this one makes such a racket
09:47they must listen to the truth.
09:49It's so complicated.
09:52Well, the truth is complicated,
09:54but, after all, there are also those who talk to him.
09:57There is this person who, if he wants to come forward,
10:00we are here.
10:00There is this person who has not been identified,
10:03which then, in the end, he tells Don Vergari
10:05okay, but that bandit really should have been buried
10:08in the Basilica of Santa Polinare.
10:10Let's also hear this interception.
10:15There's this one's brother,
10:17that there is no peace,
10:18he marches all the way to the Vatican.
10:20Well, I'm not telling you what he's up to.
10:22He's the one who assembles everything.
10:24He had it opened.
10:25He wants to find out who killed his sister.
10:27Have the tomb opened too,
10:28which then there is nothing.
10:29However, Don Piena Cosa,
10:30but why did you have that mafioso buried?
10:32on this church, that one?
10:33And I explained it all to the thing,
10:36that one there,
10:37because when he was in summer,
10:38who had taken her to the summer,
10:40they dirtied his grave,
10:42they stole his flowers,
10:43they took away the vases,
10:44every day was a prank.
10:46So, he says,
10:47he had remembered once
10:49what he had told him
10:50if when I once die,
10:52I would like to be buried
10:53in the basement of the church,
10:55in the mortuaries,
10:56below, below,
10:58in the basement,
10:59where the bones were,
11:00take into account.
11:01Well, it wasn't going well there anyway.
11:03However the cardinal
11:04he said yes.
11:06He's always someone who killed people.
11:08Well, listen,
11:08it's said there too, it's said
11:10that after that there is nothing concrete,
11:12Understood?
11:12It is said that he did this,
11:14it is said that he did this other thing,
11:16it is said that he was the boss,
11:17Understood?
11:18Everything is said.
11:21In short,
11:22Don Vergari defends De Pedis,
11:24he had known him
11:24because he was a chaplain,
11:27he had gone to prison,
11:28he had met him there in prison.
11:30And what does Don Vergari do?
11:32Who are you in touch with these days?
11:34which are important,
11:35why is it being done
11:37a very tough investigation,
11:39note on Emanuele Orlandi,
11:41about Mirella Gregori,
11:42so they are investigated
11:43of people,
11:44including Don Vergari.
11:46And so,
11:47it all started with that phone call
11:48on De Pedis's tomb.
11:50What does Don Vergari do?
11:52He hears De Pedis' wife.
11:56Ready?
11:57Don Piero?
11:57Yes.
11:58She,
11:59the notice of guarantee,
12:00he already had it
12:01when they confiscated his computer,
12:03because that
12:03it is a necessary act.
12:05He also said it
12:06Left them last night.
12:07So she,
12:08already in 2010,
12:10they are looking for
12:10to put it in the middle.
12:12What did they do to him now,
12:13here and there.
12:14But it's a serious thing,
12:15this is not it.
12:16This is nonsense,
12:17because she had us.
12:19By force
12:19investigations are opened.
12:21They give him a notice of investigation
12:22to those who know, right?
12:23To those who kidnap him
12:25something, right?
12:26It's normal.
12:27Our attorney as well
12:28he is acquitting,
12:29he's archiving everything.
12:30It's a matter of a few days,
12:32eh Don Pied?
12:33Resist.
12:33Yes, yes,
12:34I don't answer to anyone.
12:38Look,
12:38De Pedis's wife
12:39he says
12:39our attorney
12:43is archiving,
12:44It's impressive, isn't it?
12:46Then, among other things,
12:47the investigation is closed.
12:48The thing that impresses me
12:49is that a priest
12:51he calls you a criminal
12:52only to my brother.
12:53Oh yes, it's true,
12:54he calls you a criminal
12:55to your brother,
12:55instead he defends De Pedis,
12:56he said
12:57they played pranks on him.
12:57Because it was not known,
12:58they played pranks on him.
12:59They played pranks on him
13:00and therefore for this
13:00we put it in the basilica.
13:02and then
13:04there are some surreal things
13:05in this story
13:06which concerns these two girls,
13:08No?
13:09And one of these
13:11that Don Vergari,
13:12that at a certain point
13:13two people have to question him,
13:15the third time,
13:15etc,
13:16they have already questioned him twice,
13:17what does he do?
13:19He asks,
13:20advise,
13:21think,
13:22to the bishop of Potenza.
13:24Why?
13:25The viewers
13:27of those who saw it
13:27they know it,
13:28why in Potenza
13:29she disappeared
13:30she's a girl
13:30which was found
13:31well after 17 years
13:33in the church
13:34of the Holy Trinity.
13:36At that time,
13:36Who should I ask for advice?
13:37To the Bishop of Potenza,
13:40intercepted again,
13:41Vergari,
13:42Don Vergari.
13:44Listen,
13:45I wanted to ask
13:45some advice from her,
13:47No?
13:47If already another time,
13:49On the contrary,
13:49it's the third time I'm dying
13:50that I should also answer
13:51to some questions.
13:52Listen Don Piero,
13:54take the words out
13:55that reverberate.
13:56I say,
13:56I think it's now
13:57the third time
13:58that I am being questioned
13:59on these cases,
14:00on this case,
14:01No?
14:01Yes.
14:02Listen,
14:03I have never used it
14:04this word.
14:05Me at the bottom
14:05there was a person
14:06that I have known
14:07what is called
14:08Enrico De Pedis,
14:09mind you,
14:10Enrico De Pedis,
14:12baptized
14:12with the name of Enrico.
14:14Then there is a person
14:15called Renatino.
14:17allow me Don,
14:18but talking on the phone,
14:20do you think?
14:21If you were investigated
14:22as a title of due,
14:24Yes.
14:25We'll see.
14:25who put the phone
14:26under control.
14:27He says.
14:30Surreal,
14:31why the Bishop of Potenza
14:32what Don Vergari says
14:33be careful
14:34what are you...
14:34Gives advice,
14:35practically.
14:36Certain,
14:36keep quiet on the phone
14:38because if you have been investigated
14:39you're also under wiretap.
14:41Gildo Claps,
14:42are you with us?
14:46Gildo.
14:49There's Gildo,
14:50naturally,
14:50Claps,
14:51that he wanted to give you
14:52to give his solidarity.
14:54Gildo,
14:54You are here?
14:57Alright.
14:58Oh, yes,
14:59I hear you,
14:59I hear you now,
15:00Federica.
15:01Gildo,
15:03I know that you
15:04you wanted to give a hug
15:05to Mirella's sister
15:07and to Emanuela's sister.
15:09With Natalina
15:10we saw each other
15:12less than a month ago
15:13in Potenza
15:13for the twenty years
15:15by Penelope.
15:16A hug
15:17Obviously
15:17also to Marie Antoinette
15:18that I don't see
15:19for a long time,
15:20In short.
15:22I was listening,
15:24I missed it
15:25this passage
15:26of the phone call
15:27to the bishop of Potenza.
15:30Yes,
15:31No,
15:32I am trying to say,
15:35he immediately put it
15:36in the clear
15:36not to speak
15:37on the phone.
15:38He had done
15:39a certain experience,
15:40let's say,
15:41after the discovery
15:42by Elisa
15:43regarding wiretaps,
15:45so obviously
15:45he had turned to
15:47to a competent person
15:50in this case.
15:51But nothing,
15:52Federica,
15:52there is only so much sadness
15:55Obviously
15:55Why
15:57it seems to me
15:58at some moments
16:00to review
16:01the path
16:03tiring
16:03what we did
16:04to arrive
16:05to the truth.
16:06That
16:07that I hope
16:08is that this,
16:09let's say,
16:10let's call it an opening
16:11although
16:11I'm very skeptical
16:14with respect to the fact
16:15that the Vatican
16:16open an investigation
16:18to arrive
16:19to a truth,
16:20In short.
16:20Generally
16:21they do everything
16:23For,
16:23how to say,
16:24push her away
16:25the truth
16:25as far as
16:26it concerns me
16:27and many times
16:28we talked about it
16:28even with Natalina.
16:31Then
16:31the words
16:33that I heard
16:34addressed to Peter
16:35they are the same
16:36that I heard
16:38many times
16:38addressed to me
16:39in the sense that
16:40in the end
16:40their operation
16:42principal
16:42that's it
16:43to delegitimize
16:44who is looking
16:45the truth.
16:45In short,
16:46it's a repartition
16:47continuous
16:48of the truth.
16:49This
16:50I feel
16:51to say.
16:52What
16:54it makes an impression
16:55is that
16:55when it comes
16:56to you
16:57Gildo
16:57you have suffered
16:58All,
16:58your mother
16:59very strong
16:59up to me
16:59he took it
17:00the shoe
17:00and he pulled it
17:01on me,
17:01I don't remember
17:02if he was the police commissioner
17:02who was
17:03when he did it
17:05to get nervous
17:06who wanted it
17:06to hunt
17:06from his room.
17:08However,
17:08In short,
17:08from men
17:09of church
17:09feel
17:10that makes a mess,
17:12whatever he wants
17:12knowing about her sister,
17:13the family members
17:14they are annoying.
17:15The family members
17:16they are annoying.
17:16Antoinette
17:17they are annoying.
17:18Of course,
17:19of course.
17:20And this though
17:20it makes an impression.
17:23And that's the thing
17:23surreal.
17:24This is impressive.
17:25But we,
17:26Gildo,
17:26we trust
17:27in Diddi
17:28this figure
17:30That,
17:31In short,
17:31to us
17:31it is little known
17:32but of the promoter
17:34of justice
17:35in this handkerchief
17:36which is the Vatican.
17:38Very difficult thing
17:39because of course
17:40to question
17:41they have to make a rogatory
17:42to ask
17:43In short,
17:44here or they do
17:45a joint thing
17:46Italian state
17:46Vatican State
17:47or is it really
17:48everything complicated.
17:49Gildo,
17:50Thank you.
17:51Then next time
17:51let's hear from your mom
17:52that on the bishop of Potenza
17:54he would have so,
17:56In short,
17:57he would have us
17:59entertained.
18:00But we know
18:01which is a hug
18:02to Filomena.
18:03Thanks from here,
18:04from the Rome studio.
18:05Thank you.
18:06Thank you.
18:06Thank you.
18:06Thanks, bye.
18:08What's going on?
18:09That there is a state
18:11outside
18:12that we are
18:13and there is the state
18:14inside
18:15which is the Vatican
18:15inside the city of Rome.
18:17There are some things
18:18that remain
18:19inside the Vatican.
18:20Look,
18:21no one accuses anyone.
18:22Me then
18:22I am
18:24wide open
18:25to all that
18:25which could
18:26come out
18:27because the truth
18:28there is no
18:28but the truth
18:29it has to come out.
18:30But what's happening?
18:33that we make heard
18:35When
18:36there is this famous code
18:38158
18:38which is not yet well known
18:40who he was
18:40who was calling
18:41saying he knows
18:43many things.
18:43Among other things
18:44they then join
18:45the lawyers
18:46hold press conferences
18:47your parents
18:48Together.
18:49There is this code
18:50who calls
18:51to the nuns.
18:52Why are we making you hear it?
18:53Why
18:54you can hear the nuns
18:56that I am
18:57scared
18:58and anguished
18:59because they have to find
19:00Cardinal Casaroli
19:02as soon as possible
19:02they can't do it
19:03to get through
19:04the line
19:05but then
19:05the problem
19:06is that you feel
19:06what comes first
19:08you can't hear it
19:09what comes next
19:09that is, it is not heard
19:10what Casaroli
19:12then he will say
19:12with this number
19:14of code.
19:15At that time
19:15the drama
19:16of these phone calls
19:17that were arriving
19:18in the Vatican
19:19on the disappearance
19:20of these two girls.
19:23As?
19:24158
19:25What is this number?
19:27The Secretary
19:27on behalf
19:28Secretary Casaroli
19:29One moment
19:30Excuse me
19:32a moment
19:32Alone
19:33a moment
19:35a moment
19:393116
19:41Ready?
19:43Ready?
19:44Ready?
19:45Ready?
19:465118
19:475118
19:505118
19:51Ready?
19:52Ready?
19:54Ready?
19:54Eh, I did it.
19:55Make the inclusion
19:57Ready?
19:58Ready?
19:59I didn't leave
20:00the number
20:00telephone
20:01something
20:01why didn't I do it?
20:02busy
20:02One moment
20:06One moment
20:32right away, huh?
20:32All your numbers
20:34others
20:34I'm going to see
20:35you put it
20:36by bike
20:37Oh mama
20:38Oh mama
20:38This
20:38No, stop
20:40stop
20:40Now
20:41How does he speak?
20:44No, and I said so
20:45I'm not interfering now
20:46more with him
20:47But how long does it take?
20:49are these creators coming?
20:50And I know that
20:51with the number
20:52there
20:52it's certain
20:52another place
20:56Eminence
20:57I'll wait a moment
20:58But soon
20:58How come
20:59that the other numbers
21:00it was not possible to pass
21:01Yes, yes
21:01I'll wait a moment
21:02But I can't yet
21:04And it will have closed
21:08Ready?
21:09Ready?
21:09Here is Your Eminence
21:13Afterwards you don't hear
21:14Among other things
21:15the nuns
21:15they helped
21:17your mother
21:17No?
21:17They took her for a walk
21:19No, well
21:19those were
21:20the Franciscan nuns
21:21the other nuns
21:22But that's not it
21:23At the time
21:24I remember
21:25that Cardinal Casaroli
21:27had given
21:27a direct line
21:30in his office
21:31The thing that got me
21:32always amazed
21:33it's because
21:34then there was no one
21:35we couldn't get a connection
21:37Oh god now
21:38the situation
21:39they would be different
21:40as we have
21:41us with the connections
21:42But certainly not
21:42these seconds
21:43these interminable ones
21:45But Natalina
21:45listen to this other phone call
21:47the nuns understand
21:48that there is this direct line
21:49and then
21:50they pass it to him right away
21:51and you can really feel Casaroli
21:52who responds
21:54Who wants?
21:56His Holiness
21:57Casaroli
21:57His Excellency Cardinoli
21:59158 said?
22:01I 158
22:02Yes
22:02I'll wait a moment
22:03No
22:03How much is it?
22:05Huh?
22:05Is it as fast as possible?
22:07Yes
22:07Yes
22:07I'll pass by right away
22:20Yes
22:37Yes
22:38His Holiness
22:38that we don't have
23:09what is said
23:10there are many mysteries
23:11Why
23:11because maybe
23:13maybe there is nothing
23:15Yes
23:15but if they took
23:17one by one
23:18and try to get there
23:20in the end
23:21of that thing
23:22which begins
23:23because it always seems like
23:23that something starts
23:25and then suddenly
23:26it disperses
23:28but it never happens
23:30an answer
23:31he says no
23:31it was nonsense
23:32No
23:33it could be true
23:34No
23:34let's get to the bottom of it
23:35about this other thing
23:36he let himself fall
23:39always everything like this
23:40and for this
23:42I hope
23:42that now
23:43this new initiative
23:45bring at least
23:47to solve
23:48some doubts
23:49some questions
23:51some things
23:52this is how we eliminate them
23:53we take them away
23:54among other things
23:54I have to say
23:55I hope something else
23:56that he seizes the opportunity
23:58instead the prosecutor
23:59of Rome
23:59given that
24:00Vatican city
24:02Italian citizen
24:03to delve deeper
24:04and open
24:05the investigation
24:06even on my sister
24:07in fact what I was saying
24:08because your sister
24:09she is an Italian citizen
24:10Manuela is a Vatican citizen
24:12which therefore
24:13from before
24:14they had to open
24:15why the kidnapping of people
24:16there is some confusion
24:17Yes
24:18why me now
24:19in recent months
24:20they are coming
24:20at my house
24:21Yes
24:22the requests
24:23by
24:23of Italian health care
24:26of visits
24:27for Emanuela
24:28because since
24:29he is over 50 years old
24:30it's fantastic
24:31Therefore
24:31Emanuela is a Vatican citizen
24:33first
24:35second
24:36because it's at my house
24:37Certain
24:39but this thing
24:40what does Antonietta say?
24:41it's right
24:42that is, we should
24:43we should
24:44unite
24:45seize the opportunity
24:45they are two girls
24:47disappeared
24:48a wound
24:48for the community
24:49both of the Holy See
24:50both of the Italian State
24:52so there must be
24:53a true collaboration
24:55an opening
24:55on their part too
24:56why can't we
24:57we archive
24:58our sisters
24:59absolutely
25:00a family member
25:01does not archive
25:02then why was it
25:04reopened
25:04why it was opened
25:05not reopened
25:06why it was opened
25:07it was opened
25:09this file
25:10immediately after
25:10this short break
25:29then look
25:30there have been
25:32please direct
25:33to restore
25:34this service
25:35that we had
25:36put into play
25:37because they were
25:38of moments
25:39of great tension
25:41naturally
25:41with the Vatican
25:42sometimes then
25:44there have been
25:45even misunderstandings
25:47even then
25:47an apology
25:48In short
25:48but at a certain point
25:49it had been said
25:50that the case of Manuel
25:51Orlandi
25:51it was a case
25:52closed
25:53and then
25:55the mother
25:56the mother
25:57Mary
25:57he had decided
25:58to write
25:59a letter
26:00to write
26:00a letter
26:01open
26:02and you had read it
26:03you
26:04in the studio
26:05it's a letter
26:06important
26:07because it's a letter
26:09that could have
26:10write also
26:10your mother
26:11who wrote it
26:12to the Pope
26:12he had no response
26:14he had no response
26:16then this letter
26:17if you bring it back to us
26:18because this one too
26:19we want to read it
26:20At that time
26:20mother Mary
26:22explains
26:23to the cardinal
26:23who said
26:24that the case
26:24it's closed
26:25that the case
26:25it's not closed
26:29I sit down
26:31in the Vatican
26:32I was still
26:33drinking a coffee
26:34with my lawyer
26:35when the agencies
26:36of print
26:36they broke out
26:37with his
26:39very harsh words
26:40for us
26:41the case
26:42it's closed
26:43it didn't pass
26:45not even an hour
26:46since
26:47my family
26:47had addressed
26:48formally
26:49to the secretary
26:50of state
26:51the request
26:51to see
26:52the file
26:53which concerned
26:53Emanuela
26:54and the case
26:55it was already closed
26:56I'm waiting
26:58for 34 long years
26:59to know
27:00what happened
27:01to my daughter
27:02and his answer
27:04it has arrived
27:05After
27:05just a handful
27:06of minutes
27:07my little girl
27:10the case
27:11closed
27:11he doesn't deserve it
27:13not even
27:13a few hours
27:14of thoughtful
27:15reflection
27:15and even less
27:18an answer
27:19I remember them
27:21excellence
27:21that the cases
27:22of the missing
27:23they close
27:24only in two ways
27:25or with the discovery
27:28in life
27:28of who has disappeared
27:29or with the assessment
27:31of his death
27:32tell me
27:33then your excellency
27:34how it ended
27:35the case
27:36of my daughter
27:37Why
27:38if for her
27:39the case
27:39it's closed
27:40then certainly
27:41he knows what happened
27:43Emanuela
27:43tell me
27:44where is it located
27:45my daughter
27:46excellence
27:47if she knows
27:48that is alive
27:49tell me
27:50where is he now
27:51because I want
27:52go right away
27:53to hug her again
27:54I've been waiting too long
27:56time
27:56this moment
27:57if instead
27:59she knows
27:59that Emanuela
28:00there is no more
28:01At that time
28:02excellence
28:03tell me
28:04where are they
28:04his remains
28:05tell me
28:06where can I
28:07find
28:08the tomb
28:08of my little girl
28:09I am his mother
28:11I have it
28:12given birth
28:13I have it
28:14raised
28:15I saw her
28:16grow
28:17and then
28:18disappear
28:19even before
28:20that it became
28:21woman
28:22Emanuela
28:23Orlandi
28:24it's no coincidence
28:25closed
28:26she's my daughter
28:27and I will look for it
28:29until the Lord
28:30it will keep me alive
28:34Antoinette
28:35they have passed
28:36so many years
28:37which then
28:37it is necessary to specify
28:38which Pope
28:39me for example
28:40we talked first
28:40of the Bishop of Potenza
28:41who is not the Bishop
28:42current
28:43we were talking
28:43of an investigation
28:44done I think
28:44in 2012
28:46it was about
28:47so he was the Bishop
28:47of then
28:49your mother wrote
28:50in Uedila
28:51naturally
28:52and he got no answer
28:53I wrote too
28:54in Uedila
28:55but I didn't receive
28:56answer
28:57the same
28:57I gave it to a person
28:59that was approaching
29:00much to the Pope
29:00I said so
29:01let's avoid all the
29:02dies
29:04bureaucratic
29:04but I didn't have
29:06answer
29:06but the letters
29:07you know
29:08that have arrived
29:09to the Pope
29:09they confirmed it to me
29:10which has arrived
29:11and that other one
29:12she arrived safely
29:12that of mother
29:13and mine too
29:14because he was a person
29:14which was going well anyway
29:15visiting the Pope
29:17then no answer
29:19we started from
29:20Don Vergari
29:20what does he say?
29:21that pain in the ass
29:22by Pietro Orlandi
29:25Peter Orlandi
29:26with his lawyer
29:27Sgro
29:27he presented
29:28various
29:29exposed
29:30to the Vatican
29:31and he said
29:32we would like some answers
29:33and the promoter
29:34of justice
29:34of the Vatican
29:35Didi
29:36he said
29:37these answers must be given
29:38so he opened
29:39this file
29:40What
29:41it is asked
29:43for example
29:44it is asked
29:44count of two
29:45Whatsapp
29:46a WhatsApp
29:47which among other things
29:48these are things
29:48so modern
29:49In short
29:49of which it came
29:51knowledge
29:51Peter
29:52with his
29:53lawyer
29:54I'm Whatsapp
29:55of people
29:56very close
29:57to the Pope
29:58who are talking
29:59apparently
30:00by Emanuela
30:01Orlandi
30:02everything remains to be verified
30:03but
30:04when it disappears
30:05a sister
30:06a girl
30:07an aunt
30:08In short
30:09everything happens
30:10Francis Paul
30:11Of the King
30:12he interviewed
30:13Peter
30:13his lawyer
30:14Sgro
30:15after 40 years
30:17the promoter
30:17of justice
30:18Vatican
30:18he announced
30:20the opening
30:21of an investigation
30:22on the disappearance
30:24by Emanuela
30:24Orlandi
30:25it's the first time
30:27what happens
30:27Peter
30:28if the news is true
30:30it's the first time
30:30that the Vatican
30:31opens an investigation
30:32why us
30:33the news
30:33we know her
30:34only through
30:34the press organs
30:35the Vatican to us
30:37he did not communicate to us
30:37Nothing
30:38nothing came out
30:39from the press room
30:40Vatican
30:40we are on the threshold
30:42of the fortieth
30:43anniversary
30:44of the disappearance
30:45by Emanuele
30:45it has a certain effect
30:47that the Vatican
30:47do something
30:48of the genre
30:49No?
30:51I repeat
30:51also because
30:52it's the first time
30:52they have never
30:54wanted to investigate
30:55because they said
30:55we didn't do it
30:56investigations
30:57why Emanuele
30:58she disappeared
30:58on Italian soil
30:59so it must be done
31:00occupy the judiciary
31:02Italian
31:02and this for 40 years
31:04they always have it
31:05rejected
31:05the rogatory letters
31:06international
31:07they never have
31:07wanted to collaborate
31:08we did it
31:09lots of requests
31:11but since 2017
31:12I don't know how many
31:13there was a period
31:14that I deposited
31:15one a day
31:16I went to the office
31:17I had it registered
31:18and they took her up to Diddi
31:19they were made
31:20of the exposed
31:21from you
31:21No?
31:22of complaints and complaints
31:23one in 2018
31:24the other in 2019
31:26subsequently
31:27they were also
31:28deposited
31:28a number
31:29considerable number of rooms
31:30because every new
31:32argument
31:32that concerned Emanuela
31:33we have it
31:34submitted immediately
31:35to the attention
31:37of the promoter of justice
31:38and here is the answer
31:39of the promoter of justice
31:40now we're off
31:42but from a concrete fact
31:44among many
31:45and that is
31:46these conversations
31:48happened on Whatsapp
31:50and which contain
31:51precisely
31:51of the information
31:52about Emanuela
31:53Well
31:53in our opinion
31:53they are important elements
31:54why these
31:55Whatsapp
31:56between two people
31:57very close to Pope Francis
31:59on two phones
32:00reserved
32:01of the Holy See
32:03an exchange
32:04of messages
32:05around 2014
32:06end of 2013
32:082014
32:08who speak
32:10by Emanuela
32:10they talk about documents
32:11by Emanuela
32:14they talk about it like
32:15it was a serious thing
32:17and they talk
32:19of one thing
32:20also current
32:21that is, as if the problem
32:22were binding
32:23to be solved
32:23at that moment
32:25this is the thing
32:26which has aroused
32:27particularly
32:28our attention
32:29everything hit
32:29the fact
32:30who speak
32:30of Georadar
32:32how to pay
32:33the tomb raiders
32:34referring to
32:35also to Cardinal Avril
32:37saying Cardinal Avril
32:38he said
32:38let's see each other
32:39in September
32:40and we do
32:40the inventory
32:41of that
32:41that we found
32:43so let's look
32:44to explain well
32:46the content
32:47of messages
32:47what does he say
32:48for that
32:48that can be done
32:49to make known
32:50that these people
32:51they were
32:52or at least
32:53some of these people
32:54they were aware
32:55probably
32:56at least of a part
32:58of that
32:58what could have happened
33:00because there are
33:01of the documents
33:02they talk about documents
33:03that are found
33:04in a place
33:05Exactly
33:06or that should have been
33:08to be taken
33:08from a place
33:09Right?
33:10Yes
33:10it is not indicated
33:11clearly
33:13the place
33:14but it's clear
33:15that is, from the conversation
33:15it's understood
33:16which is referred to
33:17to documents
33:17which concern
33:18Anyway
33:20Emanuela
33:20And
33:22about these documents
33:23whatever I like
33:24clear enough
33:25that he didn't want
33:25that one came
33:26involved
33:27the commander
33:28of the Vatican Gendarmerie
33:29here it is done
33:30the two interlocutors
33:32they ask themselves a question
33:33that is, they say
33:33we have to
33:35to interest
33:35the commander
33:36one says to the other
33:37we have to talk to Gianni about it
33:39because this is a serious cause
33:40this is a crime
33:41and the other says
33:42no wait
33:43Wait
33:43Why
33:43Cardinal April
33:46he cares a lot about it
33:47to this thing
33:47because the Pope cares
33:48so let's look
33:49to move forward
33:52and understand more
33:53in essence
33:54then the other message
33:56they say exactly
33:56Anyway
33:57April said
33:57in September
33:58that we meet again
33:59let's take inventory
34:00of what we found
34:02it's like they had
34:03made a sort of
34:04of internal investigation
34:05they found
34:06these relative things
34:08to Emanuela
34:08and they took them
34:10and take them somewhere else
34:11and one says
34:12to the other
34:12listen to me
34:13at the end delete
34:14all these messages
34:15luckily
34:16they didn't delete them
34:17I can see you
34:18how they came
34:18in your possession?
34:20they were delivered to us
34:22you made yourselves
34:23an idea
34:23of how this conversation
34:24can be
34:26was extrapolated
34:27from their phone?
34:29Meaning what
34:29it's one of them two
34:30that spreads it around
34:31in your opinion
34:32or is it subtracted?
34:34we can't tell him that
34:36we can say something
34:37on identity
34:38of these two people
34:38who speak
34:39among themselves
34:40of Emanuela?
34:41two people close together
34:42to the Holy Father
34:42they knew very well
34:43Pope Francis
34:44and there was
34:44and they were in relationship
34:46with Pope Francis
34:47these two people
34:50they are people who
34:51at the time
34:51of the disappearance
34:52by Emanuela
34:53they were already working
34:54in the Vatican?
34:54No
34:55these messages
34:56but they were not
34:57still from you
34:58delivered precisely
34:59to the Vatican judiciary
35:00we are waiting
35:01because of this
35:01that we give a summons
35:03and be able to verbalize
35:04because at that point
35:05let's do it calmly
35:06the names
35:07of these two people
35:09and not only
35:09these messages
35:10because in the meantime
35:11our investigations
35:12let's say
35:13they brought us to
35:14how to say
35:15to find other elements
35:16in confirmation
35:17of what is written
35:18in those messages
35:19that is, these messages
35:21I'm a piece
35:22of a puzzle
35:23in our opinion
35:23certainly important
35:25which however is much more
35:26vast
35:27and here we have
35:28necessary need
35:29of the intervention
35:29of the judiciary
35:31which is the only one
35:32which can
35:34to check
35:34if these messages
35:35they are authentic
35:36ask about the phones
35:38carry out the appropriate checks
35:39call these people
35:40because we obviously
35:41this power
35:42we don't have it
35:43so if actually
35:45there is this will
35:46by the judiciary
35:48Vatican
35:48to shed light
35:49on the Emanuela affair
35:50that he does it
35:51in a firm manner
35:53but also in an immediate way
35:54that he does it
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