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00:00I'm moving because we have a wonderful lady with us named Laura Barbieri.
00:06This is the only way I can introduce you, Laura.
00:11So, Laura, all our viewers know you because for ten years you...
00:16Who happened? Is this wonderful woman not working for him?
00:19He touches the microphone like a war correspondent.
00:24Listen, Laura, you're Davide's mother.
00:28For ten years we and our viewers have tried to understand what happened to your son.
00:33It was 500 meters away, right? Where he disappeared from.
00:37I asked you to come because we often have these kids who disappear.
00:42How did the fact that Tatiana was feared by everyone make you feel?
00:48Yes, no, I certainly also participated in the collective anxiety.
00:55For goodness sake, I respect everyone, I don't allow myself to judge, I don't think it's right to do so.
01:05But the cause of the missing is real.
01:10And it is a very sure cause.
01:12And it shouldn't be underestimated if a sporadic case occurs, for goodness sake, which can have...
01:20And voluntary disappearance, because then they tell us, no, no, no, look, there are voluntary disappearances,
01:24so don't bother us, right?
01:26Here you are.
01:27But, in short, we saw her as very fragile.
01:29That wonder.
01:31This is your son's wonder, the editorial staff asked me, can we put it in a photo?
01:35Thank you.
01:35I said, but it will only please Laura.
01:37Laura, I would like you to follow this service with us, which is very, very special.
01:43It's about Manuela Orlandi, you obviously follow everything, and you're also president of the Penelope Association in Lazio.
01:49And what's happening?
01:50That this trail of the uncle, which had been set aside, is being re-proposed,
01:54some cassettes were seized, but in 2024 they were viewed,
02:00Now who knows what was seized is coming out.
02:03And a bit about these relatives, Natalino Orlandi, who finds himself on camera outside his house,
02:08in short, they become executioners rather than victims, that is, in a flash.
02:12Also because, apart from the fact that it is a story, granted and not granted, that dates back to 45 years ago,
02:21Natalina was 20 years old, now she is a lady of a certain age like us,
02:30and therefore it is unproposable, it is incomparable,
02:35and then I think there is a completely old-fashioned word, respect,
02:41because for goodness sake he has the right to information, to news,
02:46We live in a democratic country, and thank God, but we should know when to stop.
02:57There are situations where the axe must be placed on purpose,
03:04you can't exploit everything, commodify everything.
03:09First there are people, Emanuela is missing,
03:17There are hundreds of thousands of families waiting.
03:23You, Federica, who deal with this topic,
03:27I don't even know how you can handle it, because I know what the burden of these stories means,
03:33that I know you carry with you.
03:36It's as if the world stopped, there's the emptiness of this immobile uncertainty.
03:48No, and then the family members suffer in a way that we cannot,
03:52there is immense pain.
03:53What is each of you're motivating to torment this family?
03:59Well, what I want to say is that Natalina, among other things, did not avoid the questions,
04:03he even held a press conference on this issue of his uncle.
04:07But today I was live on the phone with her when she was attacked.
04:12Yeah, I know, he told me he was on the phone with you when he had these cameras under his house.
04:17Well, it's a good thing he was on the phone with you.
04:20I want to tell you this, I have to thank Pietro Meneguzzi.
04:22Who is Pietro Meneguzzi?
04:23He is the son of this uncle who died, who obviously cannot say anything, cannot defend himself, not
04:29can say nothing.
04:30And so this interview is particularly important to understand how united families are.
04:36There is Pietro Meneguzzi who is next to Pietro Orlandi.
04:39That is, this story of the uncle has not dented the union between these two cousins, between these two families.
04:45And Pietro Meneguzzi also said, look, I'm here to tell you how things are.
04:49It's true, they searched my house, but there were some cassettes with some films, there was the yellow telephone, Canale
04:555 on a Bulgarian track.
04:57In short, things that have been viewed, that have been set aside.
05:02An important interview and we thank Pietro Meneguzzi, the son of this famous uncle of Manuele Orlandi,
05:10who decided to talk to our Francesco Paolo del Re, who is dealing with this case with Imma
05:15Giuliani.
05:21Peter, how many years has it been since your father passed away?
05:24My father passed away in July 2009.
05:28What would his father have thought, the fact that his name has its own newspapers, on television today?
05:37Considering that if he were alive he would have been 90 years old, 92 years old, I don't know what he would have now, but
05:47surely perhaps these things wouldn't even have come out.
05:53Pietro is the son of Mario Meneguzzi, the uncle of Emanuela Orlandi, who finds herself, against her will, at the centre of
05:59a mysterious family trail,
06:01imagined behind the kidnapping of the 15-year-old Vatican girl.
06:05An old suspicion, evaluated at the time among the many leads that emerged and then set aside.
06:10We talk about the uncle again when a confidence from Natalina Orlandi, Emanuela's sister, comes out.
06:16priest.
06:16A verbal advance but nothing more, 5 years before her disappearance, when Natalina was 23 years old.
06:23Natalina, who has never shied away from any question, held a press conference in 2023.
06:29It's something that dates back to '78, since we worked together with my uncle, my uncle made some simple leftovers
06:41minutes,
06:43small gift, but when he realized there was no chance whatsoever, it all ended there.
06:51Undoubtedly, I was shocked the first few days and the first thing, the first person I spoke to
06:58It was Andrea who was my boyfriend, who is now my husband.
07:01So he and I knew it.
07:04I would certainly never have talked to my father about this,
07:08also because it was such a quick thing that it was over in a short time.
07:14The only person I confided in was our priest, our spiritual father.
07:22A path that was therefore set aside and now relaunched again, without any foundation, without any new developments.
07:29But that doesn't make it any less painful.
07:32Mario Meneguzzi, an employee at the Chamber of Deputies, was a point of reference for Emanuela's parents
07:38in the hardest and most difficult moment of their lives.
07:41Now he can't talk, not anymore.
07:44This is why his son Peter chose to speak.
07:47He is calm, even if his family is discredited.
07:50It's always and absolutely the same stories for 42 years that they bring out every now and then
07:58to make the truth, the real truth, go away.
08:04Absolutely.
08:05But we are here.
08:08July 22, 1983, a month after Emanuela's disappearance, the SISDE wrote a confidential note.
08:16Highly confidential investigations are underway into the Orlandi family,
08:21of the children's friends who frequented the house and on the account of Emanuela's uncle, Meneguzzi Mario.
08:27The family is being investigated, as happens in all missing persons cases,
08:31in a confidential manner, as is right.
08:33It is advisable to look in every direction.
08:36But nothing is found, there is no ogre among the relatives.
08:392023, 40 years later, with a new PM, Stefano Luciani, the Rome Prosecutor's Office returns to investigate.
08:45We start from scratch and listen to everyone again, especially family members.
08:50Precisely starting from Natalina's confidence, brought to light.
08:53The Rome Prosecutor's Office is opening an investigation, and that's normal, I think, and rightly so; it's starting from scratch.
09:01That is, Luciani, Dr. Luciani found himself faced with the same thing, he starts from scratch.
09:03So it's entirely up to everyone to investigate, of course, so from us to them for sure and so on.
09:09So we were called, I think we were called, by the way,
09:12I first, my brother and sister second and third, but still very close in the Rome Prosecutor's Office.
09:18But why those things, if I may say so?
09:20But no, no, no, because he would be missing the PM.
09:23He wanted to understand the situation a little bit, what I knew.
09:27Do they also ask you about your father? Do you support your father's claims?
09:30But yes, of course.
09:31Another year passes and on April 12, 2024, the judicial police show up at Pietro Meneguzzi's door.
09:38To clear up any doubts, a search was also decided.
09:42And what is found at Uncle Mario's house?
09:44I had to go with them, I had to go with them immediately.
09:48Leave everything here, the stone, go with them for a search in Rome.
09:52Okay.
09:53And we go to my mother's house for rent.
09:56In this search in Rome they took some cassettes, some micro cassettes.
10:01So at his mother's house?
10:03For rent in Rome.
10:04That's not the house of '83?
10:06No, no, no, no, no, my house.
10:10They take these boxes, I repeat, these boxes are also found in the cellar.
10:14Are we talking about video material?
10:16Micro cassettes, those micro cassettes that go, no, no, no, no, not video.
10:20Audio?
10:21Audio, micro cassettes, yes, audio, in the cellar.
10:24There were also stamps, stamps, stamps, with Mario Meneguzzi, member of the Chamber of Deputies.
10:31Old forgotten tapes, passed to the new house, from the old one, the house where Mario Meneguzzi
10:37and his wife Lucia Orlandi lived before, ended up in the cellar among the useless junk,
10:42as all families do after a move.
10:45Some cassettes are blank, never used.
10:48Others were used for recording.
10:50They are found.
10:52Here is the list.
10:54Analyzed and subjected to unrepeatable tests by Iris,
10:57The tapes contain nothing of significance.
11:00Then, six days later, two other properties were also checked.
11:04The house previously inhabited by the Meneguzzi family, also in Rome,
11:08and the current house in the mountains, in Spedino.
11:11Based on the discovery of cassettes, they thought,
11:15let's check the other situations too.
11:18They are asking for other situations.
11:20And I say, look, there's a house in the mountains, the real one,
11:22the real one now.
11:25Which is not the October one.
11:27The real and current one of now, house in the mountains,
11:30and the house that was now my sister's,
11:33that is, the family one in Rome.
11:35So the prosecution is interested in Spedino's house
11:37and of the house, of the former family home.
11:40Perfect, perfect.
11:42And on the same day, at the same time,
11:44they come back to us and my sister.
11:47Mountain search, my sister's house search.
11:50Verbal, mountain, verbal, my sister.
11:52At my sister's they find, no, only VHS video cassettes,
11:56VHS cassettes, I repeat, and there is, I give you,
12:02about this film, various things, of course.
12:04And various stuff.
12:05This is the list of the video cassettes found,
12:08among which we see one dedicated to the musical group
12:11of the Backstreet Boys,
12:12a recording of the television series
12:14You're Strong Maestro with Emilio Solfrizzi
12:17and an old episode of Telefono Giallo.
12:19Things we could all keep
12:21in some forgotten corner of our home.
12:23Some tapes need to be turned over
12:26to understand what they contain.
12:28They call the Meneguccios and the Orlandis
12:30to see why these two had to be poured out,
12:32they had found the system, you can see.
12:34My brother, the only one, stands there,
12:36look, these boxes poured,
12:37these two, three, the others, yes, but,
12:40the others poured out,
12:43my sister's wedding,
12:45my sister or us at the seaside,
12:48a boy, the son, he's 35 years old,
12:51he was 34, now I don't want to say,
12:54at that time, period, that's it.
12:56But, I mean, so,
12:57I feel, and I wanted to say it,
12:59precisely because I want to anticipate,
13:01maybe, the scoop of the century,
13:04they found the boxes,
13:05the video cassettes,
13:06it's ugly, it's ugly,
13:07exactly, no, the most beautiful thing in the world
13:11for those who don't want to report,
13:15for those who don't want to report,
13:17and wants to do something else.
13:18No scoop,
13:19after having collected the testimonies
13:21and carried out the searches,
13:23there's just a bunch of old tapes left
13:25that no one had listened to
13:27nor looked at for a long, long time.
13:29Pietro Meneguzzi and his brothers on one side
13:32and Pietro Orlandi and Emanuela's sisters on the other
13:35they are very angry and bitter
13:37because after 42 years of no answers on the kidnapping,
13:41the only ace up your sleeve to bet on
13:43it seems to be an old suspicion,
13:45without head or tail,
13:46an old suspicion that comes back cyclically
13:48as a novelty,
13:50even if it's not a novelty,
13:51fueling suggestions,
13:53conjectures,
13:54allusions,
13:55insinuations.
13:57In 2023,
13:59old confidences made public
14:01by Natalina about her uncle,
14:02it has been suggestively combined
14:04from the press to the face of Uncle Mario
14:06one of the identikits of the never identified man
14:10who had stopped Emanuela on the day of her disappearance
14:13in front of the Tommaso Ludovico da Vittoria music school
14:16to offer her a job.
14:18She herself had told it on the phone
14:21to his sister Federica shortly before she disappeared.
14:24An impossible combination,
14:26Uncle Mario was not in Rome
14:28and Emanuela would obviously have recognized her uncle.
14:32After it has been insured
14:33that he was not in Rome,
14:34there are still those who continue to put up the identikit
14:37with my uncle's face
14:38and to say that he could have stayed there.
14:40That is, how should I tell him?
14:42But then you tell it.
14:44And then what does Emanuela do?
14:45Did you get it to Federica?
14:45Say, is there a gentleman who stopped me?
14:48A man stopped me, says Emanuela,
14:51not the uncle.
14:52Where is Mario Meneguzzi located?
14:54the day of your granddaughter's disappearance?
14:56We asked his son Pietro.
14:58His memories are vivid.
15:00I was at home, still living with my parents
15:02and I remember it well because a girlfriend of mine at the time
15:05His birthday is still on June 23rd.
15:09We were at home, we would have a bite to eat
15:11and then we would have gone out to celebrate with friends.
15:16And at about 10, half past 9, 10,
15:20they write down his phone number
15:22call uncle Ercole, it was uncle Ercole.
15:24Is dad there?
15:24I say, no uncle, there is no dad.
15:26I mean, what happened?
15:27He says, but Emanuela hasn't come home
15:30from music school without entering.
15:32But it's not that uncle, rightly so.
15:34I mean, I'm coming in the meantime.
15:35But dad, uncle, is in the mountains.
15:37Oh, that's right, you're right.
15:39When she says in the mountains
15:41Sorry, sorry, sorry.
15:42I say mountain, the house in Torano,
15:47it is not without a path because that path did not exist,
15:50there is also no text, the chalet.
15:52Let's call it the chalet.
15:53By the way no, chalet Lucia
15:54because the license plate at the time, I don't know if it's still there,
15:56I don't think so, chalet Lucia.
15:58Yes, he was in that house there.
15:59It was our mountain house, a holiday home.
16:02So on June 22nd Uncle Mario
16:05he is in Torano, in the mountains, on holiday.
16:07After speaking on the phone with Ercole Orlandi,
16:09Emanuela's father,
16:11he leaves his wife there who is recovering
16:13from a minor surgery,
16:15her sister-in-law who is with her and her daughter,
16:17and rushes to Rome.
16:18So, dad arrives in Rome,
16:20I'll tell you why he's coming to Rome
16:22in the very, very, very early morning.
16:24From this moment on,
16:26Mario Meneguzzi and his son Pietro
16:28they practically move into the Orlandi house
16:31to help however they can.
16:32I slept at home for a month.
16:34But also your father, also your son.
16:35No, me more, me more.
16:36I'm right at home, at home, at home.
16:38So they moved into your house to help?
16:40Well, I stare, yes, yes, yes.
16:42But I still remember.
16:43But your father too,
16:44in the end he was there,
16:45he was in the bedroom with my father,
16:46they were both standing near the telephone.
16:48So this explains why
16:50Mario Meneguzzi answered the phone.
16:52He was physically there.
16:52So from that point on,
16:54let's say, for a while,
16:55Orlandi's house becomes your home too.
16:58That is, his house and his father's house.
16:59Definitely mine, my father's and my mother's.
17:04Ercole Orlandi's message
17:06for the kidnappers of her daughter Emanuela.
17:08The relationship between the two families
17:10and between the two brothers-in-law
17:11it's so tight
17:13that in a moment of confusion
17:14and extreme pain
17:15Mario Meneguzzi arrives to replace
17:18Ercole Orlandi
17:19and speak in his place.
17:21Be on the phone with so many strangers
17:23that immediately after the disappearance
17:24they claim to give news of Emanuela
17:27both in relations with the press.
17:29The message from the Orlandi family
17:31per person, people or group
17:34who are holding Emanuela Orlandi.
17:37We, Emanuela Orlandi's family
17:40we address this precise message
17:42to the two interlocutors
17:44who claim to be spokespeople
17:47of those who detain Emanuela Orlandi.
17:51I can say that after 42 years
17:54Mario and Ercole again, right?
17:56That is, this unity of purpose
17:58among your families
17:59there's nothing that can scratch it.
18:02I've always said it
18:03and I repeat it here truly.
18:05Since that June 22nd
18:07when did this thing happen
18:11I don't know what would have happened
18:15if they hadn't been at home
18:16to help us.
18:17You can imagine
18:18my father and my mother
18:19and I remember my mother
18:20that evening
18:21he called Emanuela in the void like that.
18:23My father for that kind of character
18:24that he had
18:25which was very closed
18:27he asked for uncle's help
18:28because he knew that his uncle
18:29he was a more practical person
18:31in things
18:31and they were of great help to him.
18:33I say about Peter
18:34who was the person
18:35who was closest to me
18:36in those days
18:36and it has been for
18:37continue to be for 42 years.
18:39I really
18:41in dark moments
18:42he's like
18:42very joking
18:46and he
18:46the only one who managed to tear me away
18:48of smiles in those times
18:49me when I was sick
18:50I knew there was support
18:52even if he was smaller than me.
18:53Who thinks absolutely
18:55that our family
18:57go against Peter
18:58who is 42 years old
18:59who does this
18:59that is, that Emanuela
19:00he understood very badly.
19:06Listen Laura
19:06At that time
19:07these boxes
19:07which have been seized
19:08then it was understood
19:09which are memories
19:10of the family
19:11films etc.
19:12these identikits
19:12which is incredible
19:14because the uncle
19:14it is clear that he recognized it
19:16Manuela Orlandi
19:17how do you cost it?
19:19We fall into ridicule
19:20really
19:21but then Natalina
19:23he said today
19:24a very right thing
19:25there are investigations
19:27there is a power of attorney
19:28and despite everything
19:32we have faith
19:34woe betide if it were not so
19:35in the course of justice
19:39why a journalist
19:43must be replaced
19:45okay but this is the information
19:46right
19:47etc.
19:48the problem is that it is clear
19:49that can be asked
19:51the interviews
19:51don't go under the house
19:53from his sister
19:54of a missing person
19:55because they can be asked
19:57the interviews
19:57one can say yes
19:58or not
19:59then put it like this
20:00precisely
20:00they create
20:02anxiety
20:03suffering
20:04it's a torment
20:06which is added
20:07to torment
20:09Meaning what
20:09which then
20:10They
20:11let's not forget
20:13they are the victims
20:14Meaning what
20:15me for goodness sake
20:16then you become
20:19even maybe
20:19bad guys
20:20Why
20:21that you need
20:23think
20:23maybe because
20:25at the origin
20:26there are powers
20:28strong
20:28and then
20:29it's to confuse
20:30the waters
20:31but after so many years
20:33what meaning
20:34would have
20:35this too
20:36reappears
20:37the family track
20:39because then
20:39actually
20:40it was not understood
20:41what happened
20:41but one thing is certain
20:42we are close
20:43to Natalina
20:44his family
20:45as always
20:46she was mine
20:46president
20:47and it will always be
20:49anyway thanks Laura
20:50because you are part
20:51of this family
20:51of the missing
20:52and it's important
20:54have
20:54his voice too
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