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00:00So, I see that Pietro Orlandi is already sitting, so I go closer, I thought there was another service, but
00:06I approach Peter.
00:08So, good evening Peter.
00:11You're here with us, whoever saw it, but anyway, the disappearances and everything.
00:16But this evening let's talk about your sister, it's been a while since we did it, but because there was a
00:20'the hearing that in our opinion was very important, that of Don Vergari.
00:25So, why did we invite Peter? Because probably everyone missed what our Francis Paul heard.
00:36of the King, who could listen to Don Vergari in the journalists' room.
00:41Don Vergari says something that has never been said before and where do we start from?
00:48It starts from this phone call, in 2005 we take up the case again and you know, this phone call arrives in which
00:55talks about De Pedis and the Basilica of Santa Polinare.
00:59And consider that the Basilica of Santa Polinare is very important because the rector Don Vergari, your sister, studied in the school
01:06adjacent.
01:07Investigated for complicity in kidnapping.
01:09Investigated for complicity in kidnapping, she studied in the hall, in the adjacent institute and took her music courses and
01:18that day he disappears from there.
01:21So, let's hear a snippet of this phone call that comes in.
01:27Regarding the case of Emanuele Orlandi, to find the solution to the case, go and see that he is buried in the grippa
01:32of the Basilica of Santa Polinare.
01:36So, 20 years later, we're talking about 20 years, from this phone call, well yes Pietro, we know each other.
01:45for 20 years.
01:46And what's been happening for 20 years?
01:49That the commission of inquiry asked Don Vergari if he thought such a lead was credible.
01:59And in the commission of inquiry he replies, look, this is something new that is incredible, he replies, it could have been
02:10True.
02:11And then we hear this small part of the commission of inquiry when the commissioners ask him about the phone call that is
02:18reached those who saw it.
02:22Who saw him? There was a phone call, let's say a telephone call, in which the voice that spoke said
02:33go and see that he is buried in Santa Polinare with reference to De Peris and linked the thing to the disappearance
02:40by Emanuele Traganti.
02:41Do you remember her?
02:42But what did you think when a trail came out, let's say, that connected De Peris' burial in Santa
02:51Polinare
02:52and also the story of Emanuele Traganti, what did he think? He thought it could be something credible, he thought it was a
02:58Cappatenaic thing, which was a... what did he think?
03:03Let's go and see, even carefully.
03:07However, a thread of voice can be clearly heard that it could also be true and it is incredible because at twenty
03:14Years after that phone call, Don Vergari says it could have been true.
03:19And yes, it's absurd that twenty years have passed.
03:21Twenty years have passed, but I must say that you have still managed to keep the attention elsewhere.
03:27Then there were many wiretaps between Vergari, between De Peris' wife and the fact always emerged
03:34that there was a possibility that he knew things, he definitely knows things.
03:37But he never said it could be true.
03:40No, no, in fact he always excluded any possibility that De Peris could have played a role.
03:46Instead, the inquiry commission says that it could have been true.
03:50So, what's going on?
03:53The phone call says go and see who is buried in the Basilica of Santa Polinare, there is De Pelidis,
03:59the authorization was given by Poletti, but in reality it is the rector Don Vergari who requests this burial.
04:06And so naturally we go to Don Vergari in those years and ask him for explanations because look, then there is
04:14It was a movement, people rose up and said but how come a bandit was buried in
04:20one of the most beautiful churches in Rome near the Senate of the Republic, near Piazza Navona.
04:25And let's hear what Don Vergari told us at the time.
04:29Good morning, Monsignor, can you explain to us why De Pelidis's tomb is located in a church?
04:33Look, here it is.
04:35Everything, so you know the internet?
04:37Yes.
04:38Then you go to www.vergarimonsignorpiero.com, it's all there.
04:43Do you see?
04:46Monsignor, allow me to introduce myself. We haven't even introduced ourselves.
04:50No, listen, I know he doesn't talk to me, but I'm up to a certain point in the...
04:53'he saw.
04:54I just wanted to ask you for an explanation.
04:56Listen, my goodness, you guys.
04:57No, I know, but I read what he wrote on the site, so that can't possibly be an explanation.
05:02And there is no explanation there.
05:04It's all there, it's all there.
05:06Listen father there.
05:06Is it you with the great voice you heard?
05:09No, the problem is that we started from that and it's strange, people even resented it
05:14this thing doesn't seem strange to her.
05:16Hope, have a good day, eh.
05:17No, I understand.
05:18Excellent.
05:18But why doesn't he give us an answer?
05:20Very good, that's all there is to it.
05:22HI.
05:24Well, that he doesn't want to talk to us, that we are journalists, for goodness sake, but that he doesn't want to talk to
05:29family members, well this is not exactly nice.
05:31No, he never wanted to talk to me.
05:32He never wanted to talk to you.
05:34But among other things, says the brother of the one who is supposedly you, that one is a charlatan.
05:40Why do we know what he says?
05:42Because, as you remembered, Don Vergari was invaded and was also wiretapped.
05:47And so we reconstructed his wiretaps.
05:50Here's one.
05:52He said he wants to have contact with me.
05:54That one's brother.
05:56That guy's a charlatan, you know?
05:57He writes books, makes statements and everything.
06:00When he comes to me, I will tell him.
06:01Look, I've never met your sister.
06:04I've never seen it.
06:05I don't want to hear about it.
06:06I've only seen it on posters.
06:08Enough.
06:08Until we meet again.
06:09And all the other poor people who died?
06:11That they have disappeared here and there?
06:13What should they do?
06:14Not only because this guy is making a racket, but this way they have to listen to the truth?
06:18It's so complicated.
06:22So, Peter did...
06:23Eh, I remember this sentence.
06:25It's so complicated.
06:26It's so complicated.
06:27It's so complicated, though, well, if it can be unraveled, Don Vergari could tell us.
06:31But does that mean you know the truth then?
06:33Certain.
06:33No, but then, well, this sentence that he said in the commission of inquiry, which no one took up,
06:37it could have been true.
06:38In short, this is a very important sentence.
06:40The next question had to be in what sense, right?
06:42Of course, you don't rule out the possibility that De Pellis may have played a role.
06:45Oh, that's very important.
06:46So, what's going on?
06:47What Don Vergari says is that Pietro is making a mess, he's talking to someone else.
06:53This other interlocutor, however, tells him, but look, that Don Vergari is looking for his sister
06:58and then that criminal should not have been put in that tomb.
07:03The tomb, consider, which had not yet been opened.
07:07There's this girl's brother who can't find peace.
07:10He courts all the way to the Vatican.
07:11Well, I'm not telling you what he's up to.
07:13All.
07:14He's the one who assembles everything.
07:15He had it opened...
07:16He wants to find out who killed his sister.
07:18Have the tomb opened too, because then there's nothing there.
07:21But, Don Piena, what?
07:22But why did you have that mafioso buried in this church?
07:25That...
07:26I explained it all to the thing, that one, because when he was in the summer, they had it
07:30taken to the summer, they dirtied his grave, stole his flowers, took away his vases.
07:35Every day was a prank.
07:36So he says, he remembered that once he had told him, if when once he died
07:41I would like to be buried in the church basement.
07:44In the mortuaries, huh?
07:46Down, down, in the basement, where the bones were, take note.
07:50Well, it wasn't going well there anyway.
07:52However, the cardinal said yes.
07:54He's always someone who killed people.
07:58So, then, they played pranks on De Pedis in the summer and so he decides.
08:03Now, what happens?
08:05Who, in fact, had been investigated, then he was acquitted, all the other suspects
08:08they are acquitted, this investigation is closed, among other things...
08:13They are acquitted not because they have been found to be totally innocent, but because Pignatone
08:17he decides to archive everything and therefore acquits everyone.
08:20Pignatone is the prosecutor.
08:21What's going on?
08:22That Don Vergari often and willingly speaks with Carla De Pedis.
08:32She is practically De Pedis' widow, De Pedis' wife.
08:37And what does De Pedis' wife say to Don Vergari?
08:41She tries to reassure him.
08:42He tells him something special.
08:43Let's present it together.
08:46Ready?
08:46Don Piero?
08:47Yes?
08:48She already had the notice of investigation when they seized her computer, because that...
08:53it is a necessary act.
08:55Lasciarelli also said it last night, so they're already trying to put her in 2010.
09:01in the middle, what they did to him now, here and there.
09:04But it's a serious thing, it's not that.
09:07This is nonsense, because she had us...
09:09Of course, if they open an investigation.
09:11They're giving a notice of investigation to those who know, right?
09:14To those who confiscate something from him, right?
09:17It's normal.
09:18Our prosecutor is acquitting and shelving everything.
09:23It's a matter of a few days, eh Don Pied?
09:26Resist.
09:26Yes, yes, I don't answer to anyone.
09:32Thank goodness this story about our prosecutor came to light, because when I was telling it…
09:36I was saying, no, it's not true, it's not possible.
09:38No, no, because Carla De Pedis says, we don't know who gives this information, that perhaps
09:43he's boasting, right?
09:44He's boasting, he's looking for...
09:45But all in all it's shocking to hear, I see what our attorney says to De Pedis,
09:50that is, the prosecutor should be...
09:51Who had just become head of the Rome prosecutor's office, Pignatone.
09:55Yes, the head of the Rome prosecutor's office had changed.
09:57Yes, yes, he had become himself.
09:58What's going on?
09:59She says that our attorney is about to file everything and obviously they look at each other
10:09our episodes, where Pietro is often present, then there's Natalina, in short
10:17you have always been with us and there is a strange thing that I don't know if I should take as
10:22and a compliment, because at a certain point they comment on Sciarelli's broadcast,
10:26this is the ordinance, right?
10:29Yes.
10:30Of this formidable investigation that was carried out by Vittorio Rizzi and they comment on the broadcast
10:36to Sciarelli and Marco who is De Pedis' brother admits that in the reconstruction he says
10:41He broke our ass and, well, said like that it seems like a compliment, I have to say, it doesn't seem like it
10:49a bad thing.
10:50Now, what happens?
10:52That in that period the investigations are obviously conducted by the prosecutor's office, but there is the police
10:57which is led by the head of the Rome mobile squad and Vittorio Rizzi, so it is he who
11:03he makes this amazing system, I have to say, he does a crazy job, but among other things he discovers
11:10that those of the Magliana gang, some characters continued to do what they
11:14had always done, so a lot of other criminal facts are also uncovered.
11:21Now, what happens?
11:22Which also ends up in the wiretaps, obviously.
11:27After this hearing Gasparri says that this case was, here it is, it arose from a question
11:34which was edited by a well-known television program, which obviously we will be the ones who saw it.
11:41So, we don't have the power to make a case like this, to open all the
11:46tombs, not just De Pedis's, because we had always said, De Pedis dies
11:51seven years after the death of Manuel Orlandi, so there we were saying
11:56that there should not be the tomb of De Pedis, there should be the tomb of an anti-mafia priest,
12:01but of course we never said that your sister was there.
12:03We couldn't remain in doubt, since they put this doubt in us.
12:06But there was no room for doubt, what the forensic police did was
12:09necessary, because the church, that of the Holy Trinity by Lisa Glaps has taught us,
12:16and so since your sister disappears from there, in fact all the tombs were checked,
12:21everything was checked, not just De Pedis' tomb,
12:26and so let's say that this formidable system was not assembled by us, but was made by a formidable
12:35head of the flying squad, I say this because Rizzi was recently promoted among others,
12:39So we congratulate him and he has become head of the secret services.
12:45Maybe he can give us a hand now, that he has more power.
12:48So, what's going on? What do they say about Vittorio Rizzi, recently promoted?
12:53he is head of the services.
12:58Anyway, if she can put it, she can put it on her blog, on her computer.
13:04She puts it there. She received the notice of investigation following an anonymous phone call. Period.
13:11In 2010. At the time, they gave her a piece of paper to enter his house.
13:17It's written there. That's the notice of investigation.
13:20That Rizzi?
13:21The Rizzis, the Rizzis. Yes, that one.
13:24But that, that is terrible.
13:27That's all there is to it. This new prosecutor, you've already figured out, is going to be a deputy commissioner.
13:34The new prosecutor has already transferred him.
13:38But can you imagine this girl who knew all these things?
13:43When he says he got rid of Capaldo, who was a magistrate in Rizzi.
13:48It's putting pressure on, I must say. In short, Rizzi will then go to the streets.
13:51And she adds, she assured my lawyers that he will shelve everything, always Pignatone.
13:55Well, it must be said, but we must tell our viewers, that everything is effectively archived.
14:00So they are people who were investigated and then it was really, the archiving was particular, in the sense that
14:08Capaldo didn't sign it, if I remember correctly.
14:10Yes, yes, he didn't sign it.
14:11Maisto signed it and the prosecutor Pignatone took charge of the investigation.
14:15And he had Calò sign it.
14:17He had Calò sign it.
14:19So, I wanted to ask the director, sometimes we talk about these facts, then we write down everything that happens.
14:25Then you will hear some interesting things, because Don Vergari actually wanted to change the use of the institute, that of music,
14:34and he wanted to put a school for seminarians in there.
14:37I mean, I have this obsession that he had to put seminarians there.
14:41If the director shows me those images, which I believe are from a month before the disappearance, which come from RAI,
14:47We worked with Vittoria Polato to get them, the ones from your sister who's on this show.
14:54A Tandem, here it is.
14:58The second B class of the scientific high school of the Convitto Nazionale. Applause.
15:11So, sometimes we never go back to see the person who disappeared.
15:16The second B of high school.
15:17Emanuela's last moving image.
15:19Emanuela's last moving image.
15:23So, Pietro, were you surprised by what Don Vergari said could happen?
15:28That is, it is something that in my opinion should be put in place, the Prosecutor's Office should also take it into consideration, given that there is a
15:34'investigation is open in the Prosecutor's Office now, right?
15:36Of course, there is an open investigation by the Prosecutor's Office.
15:52What could happen after these two words?
15:54It could have been.
16:16There is only one thing that is certain in this story that has lasted for so many years, and it is extremely mysterious.
16:23that Emanuela Orlandi, on the day of her disappearance, enters the Ludovico di Vittoria Institute, from Vittoria, which is practically active at
16:32Basilica of Santa Pirinella.
16:34It's a single complex, because she gives music lessons there.
16:39Francis Paul of the King.
17:01And in the end they checked everything, not just De Pedis's tomb, but the entire Basilica of Santa Pollinare.
17:18Emanuela Orlandi was in flute class.
17:20His music school is adjacent to the Basilica of Santa Pollinare, of which Don Piero Vergari is rector.
17:26Have you ever left this building?
17:28Can we assume that she returned through this door, since she didn't take the bus home?
17:37It was necessary to check.
17:39And now, surprisingly, Don Vergari replies that for him it could even be true,
17:44that is, that Enrico De Pedis could really have had something to do with the Orlandi kidnapping.
17:49But what did you think when a trail came out that connected the De Pedis sepulchre to Santa Pollinare too?
17:59the Manuela Orlandi story?
18:00What did he think?
18:01From Manuela Orlandi, me too.
18:05He meets her in prison.
18:07Then De Pedis becomes a benefactor.
18:10He gives money to the church and to the poor.
18:12In Rome, right in the city center, a man considered the leader of the so-called Magliana Gang was killed.
18:18Enrico De Pedis, 36, was on a scooter when he was approached by two motorcyclists.
18:23who fired several gunshots at him.
18:26The murdered man operated in the capital's nightlife scene.
18:29The Magliana Gang was at the center of an investigation into drug trafficking and its links to the mafia.
18:34Sicilian and right-wing terrorism.
18:36Many of its members were killed.
18:38Don Bergari writes on his blog
18:40He helped me a lot in preparing the soup kitchens I organized for the poor.
18:44When I heard on television about his death in Via del Pellegrino, I was amazed and saddened.
18:50He had also told the investigators who had investigated him.
18:53In front of the parliamentary commission of inquiry, however, he said that at the time of the murder he was about a hundred meters away
19:01distance.
19:02The room where Don Bergari worked overlooked Via del Pellegrino.
19:07I was there nearby, he says.
19:09I heard the shots and went down into the street with another Polish priest.
19:14A story never told before.
19:16He had always told the magistrates that he had learned of De Pedis' death from TV.
19:21Over the years he continues to have a very close relationship with the boss's widow and together they dodge the questions of the
19:27journalists.
19:28Well, now I'm going to say that I'm the spiritual father, right?
19:31By Enrico De Pedis.
19:32You have to tell him, if he wants, they'll go to jail, Don Pied, don't talk to him. How is he doing?
19:38No, no, nothing. Journalists never, never. I don't answer to anyone, eh? I don't answer.
19:43Don't answer anyone. Don't answer anyone.
19:46To no one. Because then they distort everything.
19:48Do as I do. I've never spoken to anyone.
19:51Mmm, good.
19:52That's the best thing. Don't worry about that, Don Pied. I've always said, though, that the prosecutor's office is there.
20:00De Pedis and Don Vergari. He celebrates his marriage to Carla. He works to obtain her consent.
20:07his burial in the Basilica.
20:09Your Most Reverend Eminence, At the request of the De Pedis family, I can ask the Vicariate of Rome for permission to
20:16their relative, Enrico De Pedis,
20:18may be buried in one of the mortuary chambers, located in the basement of the Basilica of Santa Pollinare.
20:25After those who saw it turned the spotlight on the possible involvement of the Magliana gang in the kidnapping of the girl,
20:31It's Sabrina Minardi, the boss's ex-lover, who starts talking.
20:35Among other things he tells EPM that he met Emanuela, that he picked her up by car at the Gianicolo and that
20:42having handed it over to a priest, by order of De Pedis.
20:46Enrico De Pedis cannot be investigated by the Rome prosecutor's office because he is deceased, but all the others can,
20:51kidnapping resulting in the death of the hostage.
20:54And so Sabrina Minardi herself, Don Piero Vergari, the rector of the Basilica, Sergio Virtù, the driver of
21:00Renatino, and then Angelo Cassani, known as Ciletto, and Gianfranco Cerboni, known as Gigetto.
21:05They accused me of the kidnapping, the alleged murder of Emanuele Orlandi, but they didn't ask me questions about the
21:17kidnapping, they just contested me.
21:21Investigated and then closed, before the parliamentary commission, Don Vergari speaks about Sabrina Minardi, also investigated and then closed.
21:29He denies ever knowing her and calls her a fraud.
21:33However, from the investigation documents of the Rome prosecutor's office, it emerges that the woman, as the investigators write, evidently has a
21:41credit towards the prelate, to whom he turns for help.
21:46Sabrina Minardi and her sister Cinzia were intercepted while they were talking on the phone to discuss how to contact the monsignor.
21:55Hello? I didn't tell you the most important thing, yes.
21:58Eh, what was it?
21:59And nothing, I managed to get Monsignor Vergari's number, his telephone number and his address.
22:04And I wanted to know if we could offer him something through you. Think about it for a moment, and then...
22:09But what should I ask this monsignor?
22:11Hey, if she gives us a hand. Do you understand who this is?
22:14No.
22:15It's the... the... what's his name? The Bishop of Santa Pollinare.
22:21Ah, now I get it.
22:24Sabrina Minardi actually then leaves a message for Don Vergari.
22:28Your Excellency Monsignor Vergari, I urgently need to contact you.
22:32This is the message Don Piero receives. The woman looking for him introduces herself as Dr. Minardi.
22:38So Vergari immediately calls Carla Di Giovanni, De Pedis' widow, to inform her.
22:43Listen, that's going to be a solid Minardi, right?
22:45Yes, she'll be here in Matta. They took her at the CIM.
22:49We know that she's crazy, that she did the stupid things she did.
22:53De Pedis' widow, therefore, tells the monsignor that it is not the case for him to recall Minardi
22:58and hypothesizes that the message could also be a decoy for some journalist
23:03to check if they actually know each other.
23:06He says it will be Minardi or Sciarelli playing some of their little games.
23:11Emanuele Orlandi reiterates that he never knew her,
23:14but to the parliamentary commission of inquiry, Don Vergari told something else that had never been said before.
23:19And that is that Enrico De Pedis knew Sister Dolores,
23:22the director of the music school that Emanuele Orlandi attended
23:25and that he was generous with the music school, supporting it with his donations.
23:31He had once spoken to Pietro Orlandi about Sister Dolores,
23:34Emanuele's brother, to anyone who has seen him.
23:36Which is immediately commented on over the phone.
23:39The most serious thing, Don Pied, was said last night by Pietro Orlandi.
23:44He said he wants to talk to her.
23:46Yes.
23:47As Sister Dolores, of the music school,
23:50at the time she absolutely did not want girls to come to church with her,
23:55because there was crime.
23:56Yes, all nonsense, look.
23:58No, these are slanders.
24:00No, no, these are slanderous things, Don Pied.
24:02The further we go, the more we invent that one, huh?
24:05Now he will come to her.
24:07I absolutely want to talk to her.
24:09No, no, I'm not telling him anything.
24:11But you can talk to us anyway.
24:12But what are you saying?
24:14But what are you saying?
24:15That I, that Sister Dolores didn't let girls into church?
24:19But who told you?
24:20After he died everyone talks.
24:23But is it true that he didn't let anyone into the church?
24:27He is always with Tepedis' widow
24:29that Don Vergari also consults regarding Emanuela Orlandi.
24:33Then I say, so I never knew, never met, never saw that person.
24:38There, did you understand?
24:39I can say that, right?
24:40Which person?
24:41There, there, this Emanuela, this girl, I've never seen her, never met her, right?
24:46Ah, I don't know.
24:47She knows this.
24:49I didn't know Don Pier in '83.
24:51No, for goodness sake, what was I going for?
24:53I had to do my own things in the church and that was it.
24:57The church and my things and that's it, says Don Vergari.
25:01But what are his things?
25:03Before being investigated and then acquitted,
25:05Vergari is questioned by prosecutors Giancarlo Capaldo and Simona Maisto
25:08as a person informed about the facts and tells...
25:11In the past I have carried out vocational discernment activities,
25:15that is, an activity aimed at verifying the suitability of some young people for the priesthood
25:19who came from all over the world and who aimed to become seminarians.
25:23I carried out this activity from 1988 to 2002.
25:27As many as 125 young people, among those I followed, later became priests.
25:32Young priests have always been close to his heart.
25:35In July 1983, not even a month had passed since Emanuela's disappearance,
25:41Vergari writes a letter to Father Stanislao, the secretary of Pope John Paul II,
25:46asking him to move the music school from the Santa Pollinare palace
25:50and to put in its place a college for young priests.
25:54The reopening of the Pollinare by the Holy Father
25:57it would be a great act of love from John Paul II
26:00towards the young priests who will come to Rome to study from all over the world.
26:04For a better understanding of the character, the investigators note,
26:09a conversation between Monsignor Vergari and a seminarian is reported,
26:13whose content is extremely eloquent.
26:17Hey, I'm playing!
26:18Games? Yeah, fine. As long as you're playing, things are going well, right?
26:23Eh...
26:24If you play, it means things are going well, because if someone plays, they have fun when they're happy, right?
26:29Mm, I play with my penis, though.
26:31Yes, okay, okay.
26:33Mm...
26:34So, there you go. So you're happy. How happy are you?
26:38Yes, happy.
26:40Oh, tell me. Do you study a lot? Do you study or what do you do?
26:44I play.
26:45Well, games, all right. Did I mean studying anything? College? No?
26:49No, no, I play, I play a lot.
26:51Yes, okay, okay.
26:53Every night.
26:54Yes, okay, okay.
26:56I play my penis, though, I play my penis.
26:58Yeah, okay, listen.
27:00When one is alone, like this.
27:02I play alone.
27:03Yes, that's fine.
27:04And there is no one.
27:05Nothing in the garden? Nothing in the vegetable garden?
27:08No, there is no space.
27:09Ah, there is no space.
27:11I play, play, play like this.
27:13All right.
27:14Are you playing then? I feel tired, very tired.
27:17You have to work.
27:18Do you remember when you down there...
27:21What was the name of that town we went to?
27:23What did you do with the profection?
27:25What did you do with the profection?
27:26You made your little garden and you gave me the vegetables,
27:29You gave me courgettes, you gave me eggplants.
27:32Bananas, bananas.
27:33No, there are no bananas in Naples.
27:35We don't have them in Italy, no.
27:37Bananas, courgettes, aubergines.
27:40All long, all are long and round.
27:43I play, you don't play.
27:45Okay, okay.
27:46So the...
27:47Let's play.
27:48See you next time, okay?
27:49Next time we play together.
27:52See you, we say goodbye.
27:53When will it be?
27:54But never.
27:55Why are you always so far away and then...
27:57No, I'm playing.
27:59Okay, then we'll say goodnight.
28:01What do you say, right?
28:03The seminarian, questioned by the investigators,
28:05he will later say that he made this phone call
28:08out of malice and revenge
28:09and to understand whether Don Bergari was homosexual or not.
28:18You know, Peter, then from a man of the church, right?
28:20One would expect that...
28:22That is, he came to your house when your sister disappeared.
28:25However, he was the rector of the Basilica.
28:27And your sister was there, next to you, studying music.
28:30He never came to say...
28:31Oh yes, but then they participated.
28:32...to your mother, I'm sorry.
28:33No, no, absolutely, absolutely not.
28:35Never, never, never.
28:35That is, as if not...
28:36You saw, you heard, in short,
28:38how many times one has tried to meet him,
28:41he asked De Pedis' wife for advice on Davarzi.
28:43This after, right?
28:44When the phone call comes, let's say,
28:46when we move, we of those who saw it,
28:49so this phone call arrives.
28:50But I mean right at the beginning, right?
28:52From a man of the church, of aspects,
28:54that in any case goes to a family...
28:55Never, I'm not sure.
28:56At home, especially, my mother,
28:57my father is ours, he never came.
28:59Anyway, I repeat, all archived,
29:01the position has been archived
29:04for all those who had been investigated.
29:05But it's not possible,
29:07Now I'm getting nervous,
29:08despite some of these things
29:10I had already heard and re-heard them,
29:11but hearing these things,
29:13feel...
29:13There has never been anything from the Vatican
29:16against this person,
29:17it was never heard.
29:19But now he must be listened to,
29:21because as he said it could be,
29:22now let's hope that someone
29:24don't come out with...
29:25He wasn't clear,
29:26because he was actually lucid.
29:28No, someone told me
29:29to the Commission,
29:29he told me
29:29who is a very clever person.
29:31Yes, no, he spoke in a whisper,
29:33but in reality he answered the questions.
29:36So this could have been...
29:38In short, it had to have a continuation.
29:41What we can tell you
29:42it's that he says you're messing up
29:43and you're right because she's a sister.
29:45I will do it too, I can remember,
29:47I'll do it next Saturday too,
29:49Saturday 18th,
29:52from 4pm to 6pm in Piazza Cavour.
29:55To remember Emanuela's birthday month
29:57and to remember many facts.
29:58What is Emanuela's birthday?
30:00Yes, it was the 14th, it was yesterday.
30:01It was yesterday, 57 years old.
30:03So Doro Vergari is right,
30:04and you keep going back and forth.
30:06Demonstrations.
30:07And we will continue to do so until the end
30:08why should we get there.
30:10It's a right that no one can ever take away from us.
30:13You are right.
30:14So, Peter,
30:14thanks to Peter for having so,
30:17in short, shared with us
30:18this important and necessary page.
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