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00:00It's news that has shocked everyone, because after all, reading that there is a Vatican dossier in which
00:06It is written that Manuela Orlandi, Natalina's sister, thanks Natalina for being with us,
00:12and as usual there is with you Andrea Ferraris who is also President of Penelope Lazio, I
00:17I remind them of these things because they are important, so they turn to you.
00:21So the Vatican even has receipts etc., this would be the evidence, but these receipts for one not
00:31we saw them,
00:32I managed the citizen Manuela in the sense that I would move her from one part of Italy to another in two
00:38different cities,
00:39then they would have sent her to London to a clinic, to a convent, in short there would be some receipts.
00:46It's something that makes an impression on all of us and think about the family, all this is written, it's written in
00:53a dossier that at this point we ask ourselves,
00:57but is this dossier true? So with Francesco Paolo del Re we start from this dossier, which has suddenly arrived in our
01:06houses.
01:11It's a document dated 1998, here it is.
01:16It contains an account of the expenses incurred by the Papal State to manage the town Emanuela Orlandi,
01:22who for everyone is a missing girl.
01:25Five typewritten sheets, which were supposedly compiled by Cardinal Lorenzo Antonetti
01:30and destined for the Vatican Secretariat of State.
01:33The document covers a period of 14 years, from 1983 to 1997,
01:39and in these years almost 500 million lire would have been spent.
01:43To do what? To host Emanuela Orlandi in some religious facilities in Rome and Parma,
01:50and then transferred her to London to cover medical expenses at a clinic in the British capital,
01:56and even those of a gynecologist, right down to the last sentence with its truly sinister content.
02:00Transfer to the State, Vatican City, with related processing, paperwork and finalization.
02:09So Emanuela would have been alive until 1997,
02:12and the Vatican would have hidden and cared for her on English soil.
02:16Then the return to the Vatican, closed in a tomb.
02:20Faced with such serious crimes and the disappearance of a 15-year-old girl that everyone is looking for,
02:25Would the Vatican really have kept such a compromising document?
02:29The secret dossier is revealed by a journalist from L'Espresso, Emiliano Fittipaldi,
02:34in his book which he presented the day the dossier came out.
02:37It may be an apocryphal document, that is, one where they mix true and false things,
02:43it may be a false document, completely false,
02:47but actually done by someone who knows this story very well
02:51and knows the history of the Vatican very well,
02:54or it may be a very similar document.
02:58According to Fittipaldi, the dossier comes from within the Vatican itself,
03:02first stolen and then returned to the coffers of the Holy See
03:05and delivered by someone into the hands of the journalist.
03:08But is the document authentic?
03:11The Holy See brands it as false and ridiculous.
03:13It is saddening, adds the Secretary of State,
03:16that with these false publications which among other things damage the honor of the Holy See,
03:20the immense pain of the Orlandi family is heightened,
03:23to which the Secretariat of State reiterates its heartfelt solidarity.
03:27Pietro Orlandi's lawyer, Laura Sgro,
03:29he had asked the Vatican if there were any secret documents.
03:33The Secretariat of State had responded by denying that there were any unpublished documents.
03:37and declared that Emanuela's case was closed.
03:41But now this disturbing dossier comes out.
03:43This account of the expenses that the Vatican City would have sustained
03:47Is the disappearance of Emanuela Orlandi a fake?
03:51I am not able to tell you whether the document is true or false.
03:54It is certain that it is in one direction in another
03:56I find this an absolutely disturbing document.
03:59There are many elements that suggest that this is a fake document.
04:04First of all, the content is abnormal and very serious.
04:08So this already suggests that this is not true.
04:12And why then? Because of how it's composed.
04:15We showed the document to Don Filippo Di Giacomo,
04:19a journalist with expertise in the Vatican.
04:21I have never seen anything produced by the State Secret Service that had the addressees listed in the epigraph.
04:27The header to His Reverend Excellency Archbishop Giovanni Battista Re makes me laugh a lot.
04:33and to his revered excellency Archbishop Jean Luis, written in Spanish Toron.
04:40Now I have had the honor and pleasure of meeting the signatory of this letter,
04:45the sadly deceased Cardinal Antonetti,
04:48who was one of the best diplomats of the Holy See.
04:52If there was one thing that Cardinal Antonetti would never have made a mistake in writing in the name
04:56of the then person in charge of relations between states, Archbishop Toron.
05:01Don Filippo Di Giacomo explains to us that if this document had actually been produced
05:06from the Roman Curia...
05:07Here it would have had the coat of arms, here it would have had the date.
05:12It would have been paginated starting from here, it would not have gone beyond this last line.
05:18After that he would have a line where the account holders were
05:24and this wording is never used, the Vatican was cited,
05:27anno domini thus unhooked, month of March, day 28.
05:32The signature is always accompanied by the seal,
05:35but then among other things he would always put the cross in front and then he would use card.
05:42Is it customary for a document not to be registered?
05:46It is explicitly written in the final part of the text that this document,
05:49as requested, it is not recorded.
05:51As far as I know, not only is everything that comes out recorded,
05:56but everything that comes in is also recorded.
05:59In addition to the absence of the papal coat of arms, the watermark and an autograph signature,
06:04There are two inappropriate and anachronistic statements in the document.
06:08It's very funny because the prefecture, the administration,
06:13the patrimony and the apostolic see do not exist.
06:15At the time the document was written, this office did not exist.
06:20But there is also another element, here is the good soul of Commander Cibin,
06:27who is here defined as the commander of the Vatican gendarmerie,
06:31which at that time did not exist because it had been discovered in the 70s
06:35and there was a Vatican watchdog.
06:38It certainly does not come out of any office connected near or far
06:42with the Vatican State and City.
06:44If it were true, only 5% of what this document says,
06:49the Roman Curia should not be reformed, but should be abolished.
06:54I am convinced with the experience I have of ecclesial life
06:58that this is a poisoned meatball.
07:02What the Orlandi family wants to know is what happened to Emanuela.
07:06According to the document, Emanuela Orlandi may have spent many years in London,
07:11from the mid-1980s to 1997.
07:14But this isn't the first time that London has been mentioned in this story.
07:17We've been going there since 2011,
07:19when a spy who calls himself Lone Wolf
07:22and he says he was a secret service man,
07:25contact some editorial offices, including ours and that of Le Iene,
07:28without being heard.
07:29Then he calls Roma 1 and reveals during a live broadcast that Emanuela is...
07:34...in England, in a private, secure facility.
07:37Inside a... let's say a mental asylum, but from the beginning until now it has been sedated.
07:44Obviously we decide to go and verify the revelations of this lone wolf for ourselves.
07:49With Pietro Orlandi, Emanuela's brother, goes the envoy Fiore de Rienzo.
07:54Emanuela isn't here.
07:55They told us that there was this person who had the name Orlandi,
07:58but at least the age didn't match.
08:01He was an elderly person, sorry Peter, as far as I understand.
08:04No, an older person.
08:07Then we further investigated that it must have been a person born in 28.
08:12Luigi Gastrini, this is the name of the lone wolf, is investigated and revealed in court
08:17and then he was convicted in 2013 in Bolzano for simulating a crime for his statements on the Orlandi case.
08:24He had made it all up.
08:26And now, for the record, we are back in London, with Andrea Gentile.
08:32Whoever drafted the document indicated actual places.
08:35We went to check these addresses.
08:38Andrea Gentile spoke with the mother superior of a convent mentioned in the dossier.
08:43There has never been an Emanuela Orlandi here.
08:45We checked our lists and it would have jumped out at us.
08:49This is completely unfounded news.
08:50This is what the nun, who has lived there since 1987, told us.
08:56So in London we have not found any confirmation of Emanuela Orlandi's stay
09:00and no confirmation of what is reported in the document.
09:03Which, rather than being a shocking revelation, appears more and more like a weapon
09:08used for a war that is perhaps entirely internal to the Vatican.
09:17But maybe not so much, because it's so poorly made.
09:20No, because Andrea shakes his head.
09:22Of course, if this poisoned meatball is made so badly.
09:25In short, those in the Vatican, let's say, those from one side to the other, but they are better.
09:30Or not?
09:30Exact.
09:31The concept is exactly this.
09:33It's a poisoned meatball that I believe comes from the outside, not from the inside.
09:37Maybe it's a hoax, let's say.
09:38It's not even a poisoned meatball.
09:40I got very squalid.
09:41It's certain.
09:41Really, but it's very sad, also because the last time I was here in May,
09:47I have once again made my appeal to this tide of cowards who are now circling around our
09:54history,
09:56that if anyone had concrete evidence, they should come forward and not hide.
10:01Of course, then the evidence that comes out is this, which is not evidence, it is absolutely useless.
10:08But the thing that saddens me, personally, like Natalina, is that everything is transformed in a very ridiculous way,
10:18of a very painful story.
10:21Tragic.
10:22Tragic.
10:22We have been having to endure these situations for 35 years, which begin with various characters and then end in nothing.
10:33and we get hit all the time.
10:36Many say it reopens the wound.
10:38The wound has never healed because we have been suffering these things for 35, 34, 35 years.
10:45But of course the family then latches onto whatever word may come and they tell you
10:51ah this happened, there you try to get to the bottom of it, to see, to check as much as possible,
10:57otherwise you are helpless.
10:59If you are helpless you can't do anything, you just have to wait.
11:02Waiting for someone...
11:03Your sister is in her prime, that is, you can, well, make it possible, because you can, I mean,
11:09You lived in the Vatican, didn't you?
11:11So you know, your mom is in the Vatican.
11:13I find it unlikely.
11:15Then if it had happened, really, we are another planet, I don't know where we live, I don't know who we are,
11:23because really with all the stories we've heard here this evening,
11:26I'm starting to think that our society is truly falling apart quickly.
11:33Natalina, rightly, listening to the report, you say the only one they condemned is this spy
11:39who said he was a lone wolf, who tried like this...
11:44Yes, he had taken us to London, then he was 60 years old, the only one, let's say...
11:49The only one was this lone wolf who was convicted in the affair for the year.
11:55Anyway, what can I say, I can't even call the question of who wrote it,
11:59Who saw this document, if it tells us anything, who brought it.
12:01Then they talk about there being attachments, there being attachments.
12:05So, one only photocopies the three pages, but not the attachments.
12:09I mean, I worked in an office.
12:10When making three copies of documents, three copies of the document attachments are also made.
12:15And then they should take out the attachments, since they are so safe,
12:19that this might be the right way.
12:22Then, in short, this zero-zero point that makes us think of the euro and not of the elite...
12:27It's all a fake.
12:28It's all a fake, Andrea.
12:31We continue, I mean, it makes an impression on us because we see ourselves younger in the videos, right?
12:35Yes, unfortunately yes.
12:37Unfortunately yes, it's Natalina, Andrea.
12:39But from a certain point of view it seems that time has not passed.
12:43It is true.
12:43That is, let's always remember, at least for us, that Emanuela is always 15 years old.
12:48She's a minor one for us, eh.
12:50I can...
12:51This is why the figure and image of Emanuela offends us.
12:55Because these are people who take advantage, and have always been taken advantage of.
12:59You know this because you've followed us all these years.
13:04Outside figures who gave clues that were ultimately completely false
13:09and we don't even know why.
13:11It's never to the family.
13:13Oh, sure.
13:14Because the family was never asked for anything.
13:17Then they bring the documents to the journalists.
13:19I mean, it's even more embarrassing.
13:20Which is even more embarrassing than those who write books and those who...
13:24Maria is there, inside the Vatican, so, in short, between one theft and another
13:28these documents go back and forth,
13:30they are dropped off in mom's mailbox
13:32who had left the door open.
13:35Exact.
13:35No, but you know what I mean by saying those things that I always say on camera.
13:39Look, the problem is that someone knows what happened to Emanuela Orlando.
13:42Many years have passed.
13:44I tell you, go to hell, but clear your conscience.
13:47I mean, who knows something.
13:48She was a girl who was 15 years old
13:50these family members.
13:51I mean, Natalino is right.
13:52It's not that the wounds are reopened.
13:54But think what a nightmare for a sister
13:56who must think about that day.
13:58The day of the kidnapping.
13:59What happened?
14:00They raped her, they killed her.
14:02What...
14:02We think about it every day.
14:03A family member thinks about it every day.
14:05I can only say
14:06hope...
14:07Because we who have seen it continue week after week,
14:10years after years, the conductors change,
14:11but we always say the same things.
14:13That the hope is that someone who sees himself, precisely,
14:16close to hell,
14:17decide to confess,
14:19that a little courage emerges from him.
14:22Because at this point...
14:22And let him not be such a coward
14:24to leave without saying
14:25what happened
14:26to this fifteen year old,
14:28at least to mom.
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