00:01and then there are cases that last for years and years and years.
00:05Peter, when you come here you hear the family members who have been worried since Sunday and you have been worried since...
00:14How many families are there who live similar situations.
00:17So, listen Peter, thanks for coming.
00:20So, with Pietro, then everyone announced it a bit, in short, everyone was curious about this audio.
00:26What happened? Thanks to our mother Giuliani, we were able to get an unreleased part.
00:31which you confirmed to us, he says I was looking for it, I hadn't found this audio.
00:36Yes, I had only read the transcript but I had never heard it, also because it is part of a single cassette.
00:42of the time.
00:42Make a single one, because then these cassettes are strange because they have some...
00:45It's a cassette that we had recorded at home, from when he was called the American, the famous American.
00:49Which is thanks to Natalina's husband, right?
00:51Yes, he had this tape recorder.
00:53Who put this recorder and you can record...
00:55And the strange thing is that the audio that has always been released, that we all know, is part of the same audio cassette.
01:00So it always seemed strange to me that only one part of it was ever released.
01:05And I had never listened to the other one, I never listened to it.
01:07And this is the magic of those who have seen it and continue to work on cases year after year.
01:15So, for viewers there is a phone call that arrives at Manuela Orlandi's house.
01:20We are a few days away from his disappearance, because it was July 5th, so June 22nd, July 5th.
01:28It's been 13 days, if I'm not mistaken.
01:31And there's a part of the phone call that you've heard several times, we'll play it again for you.
01:36Then we hear the longer one.
01:38So, listen carefully to this recording.
01:45Yeah, I make it feel good though.
01:47Listen carefully, we have a few moments.
01:50This is his daughter.
01:52Yes, but I make it feel good.
01:54Okay, wait a moment.
01:56Okay, over to you.
01:57Put it on now.
01:58Yes, school, convinced national Vittorio Manuela Givani.
02:07I should be in my third year of high school in Santa Anna, majoring in science.
02:39Well, they are obviously sentences.
02:41recorded, repeated.
02:43You say that's your sister.
02:46No, that's for sure, but I'm saying this now after 41 years, but this cassette, as I said,
02:51it arrived right away.
02:52It arrived immediately, so it was clear to everyone, there was never any doubt.
02:56Maybe, no, it was Manuela in fact.
02:58That was Manuela.
02:58But also for the Nazi analysts, you know that they analyzed it with other cassettes that arrived later
03:03July 17th?
03:05And for them it was the same voice.
03:06It was the same voice.
03:07So, let's hear the other side.
03:08Now we've split it in two.
03:09Why is it important?
03:11Because there are other elements, other additional elements, that can help us understand something.
03:15more.
03:16Then our viewers always help us.
03:18For example, at a certain point there is talk of Santa Marinella, a remote village.
03:23But let's listen to it and then this first unreleased part, then we'll talk about it with Pietro.
03:28with the other side.
03:32Ready?
03:33I should make a text of certain.
03:37I would feel sick, deep down.
03:41I should make a text of certain.
03:43Keep your soul, I would hear.
03:46I should make a text of certain.
03:48Keep your soul, I would hear.
03:49Makes you feel better, right?
03:51Of particular.
03:52Ready?
03:53Of particular.
03:55Ready?
03:58Ready?
03:59Ready?
04:09Ready?
04:10Ready?
04:15But he doesn't feel well.
04:19I'll make myself a better offer.
04:32Ready?
04:34Shall I make myself a song, eh?
04:35My e�idade assaults.
04:37Lost Praesino.
04:39Of the Holy King Yeah
04:42Ready?
04:43My rao isn't feeling well.
04:46Oh lost little village.
04:49Of the Santa Maria
04:51But he doesn't feel well.
04:51But he doesn't feel well.
05:05Hello? Let me make myself feel better, I don't understand. Hello? The newspapers, okay?
05:1315 what? Yes, but 15 what?
05:35Pietro, what you notice in the meantime is this Santa Marinella and it talks about Santa Marinella, it is a remote village, which
05:41is he telling you?
05:42No, but even at the time, I remember when we heard this thing, the first to realize it was my uncle because
05:47Emanuele often went to Santa Marinella because they had a house there and sometimes they went there, so it struck us
05:54this thing.
05:55From Santa Marinella.
05:56The fact of this, I remember this fact, because they called our house and made us hear this
06:04'audio, I remember that the message said it was not clear, then they hung up and called back after a few minutes
06:10and they played the audio that we all know, the one that repeats seven times.
06:14What we heard first, this instead is the phone call, it's the complete phone call so to speak.
06:19Sure, complete. Peter, one thing, your sister spoke with a Roman accent because that's what surprised me.
06:24what does he say...
06:25They will die.
06:26No, not so much they'll be leaving because they say they'll be leaving, they're accompanying me...
06:30But yes, yes, he had a Roman accent, of course.
06:33He had it, I mean, he's there, no, because they say they'll be there but they're accompanying me...
06:37So, what's going on? Now, this is the other part of the unedited phone call we heard with Pietro Orlandi.
06:45who feels it with us for the first time, of course I also called Natalina, you know, your sister, I
06:49I always warn you of what we do.
06:52So, we heard, I'm 15 years old, which turns out, no, I have to turn 16.
06:58No, in January 16 years, then here, the only strange thing at a certain point it says 15 years in January.
07:02Yes, it looks like, I'm 15 in January.
07:04And then in January I turn 16.
07:06It's fair enough, because if anything, he's 15 years old and should have turned 16 in January.
07:10There is this fact of Santa Marinella, therefore, that also fits in.
07:15Now, however, you hear a man speaking, there is a man's voice saying Mr. Orlandi, Mr. Orlandi.
07:24Continue the call like this.
07:51I don't understand, what is the tram?
07:55Yes, that's fine.
07:5915, during the wires in January.
08:0515, during the wires in January.
08:12Ready.
08:13National Combat Vittorio Manual of Rome.
08:16Mr. Orlandi, Mr. Orlandi, Mr. Orlandi.
08:19Mr. Orlandi, Mr. Orlandi, Mr. Orlandi, Mr. Orlandi.
08:26Yes, that's fine, but tell me, make me feel better.
08:31Make me feel better, I'll make myself a more complete proposal.
08:37Make me feel better, okay?
08:41Yes, he should complete the third year of high school.
08:51Ready.
08:54Yes, tell me.
09:00I didn't understand, I didn't understand, sorry.
09:11Then they attack, right?
09:13Yes, and then they call back after a few minutes and make them feel good about that part.
09:16But she was definitely more disturbed at the time.
09:18Now I don't know if the prosecutor, whoever had it, certainly cleaned it up a bit more, because
09:22I remember that fact that my uncle said that nothing was understood.
09:26And yes, in fact it is understandable, because your uncle always says that they don't understand, they don't understand.
09:28Yes, at one point he says 15 things, as if he were talking to a person.
09:32There's a man who intervenes, did you see?
09:34Yes, which is still the voice of the same one who called after, the one we called
09:37then the American.
09:38But what strikes me is that the person making such a call makes an audio sound.
09:43But why do you have to make him feel all broken up?
09:44You can tell they're all little recordings, right?
09:47But it's clear.
09:47Why does it feel like it's on, off, then stop, start?
09:50Listen, what we noticed is that at the minute, I don't remember which one now, at three minutes
09:59and it passes, you practically hear it as if it were a piece of a song, some comments.
10:07At minute 3.45, Chiara Grigoletto who studied it, tells the teller to me, let's play it again
10:14because we didn't understand it, if it's a song it could be Baglioni Cocciante or
10:18if it's an interference, I don't know, it's in a house and there's the sound of something, our
10:23viewers
10:24they usually help us, we feel.
10:27I did not understand.
10:30I did not understand.
10:32I did not understand.
10:35I did not understand.
10:37I did not understand.
10:40Yes, yes, in fact it is a thing...
10:42Sounds weird, huh.
10:43Listen Peter, I think this, I told you before.
10:46So, since no one said that recording is mine, right?
10:51Nobody took credit for it, nobody said that's mine.
10:54Because it could be a recording made, for example, when an interview is being done
10:58for a school.
10:59But nobody said, no, no, but we had that, outside of school, etc.
11:03I think, right?
11:05Maybe that guy who hooked up with your sister, the one who said I'm from Avon, because
11:09She then calls Federica, calls home and says...
11:34From the recordings, the surveys, the interviews, you have to tell me how old you are, what school you go to.
11:40Yes, it's possible, because that person must have had a role.
11:45So it's possible in a situation like that, because he had reassured her as much as possible.
11:49Anyway, he called home, not before going to school, but before going out, because
11:52he called around 7pm in the evening.
11:55And he... he recommended, call home and explain the situation.
11:58In fact, your mother can even come and accompany you to this parade.
12:01She was a normal-looking person, she was calm, she had to go to this show.
12:04Indeed, yes, that's what you're saying, that is, it's possible.
12:07Because he is the only person who has never been found, but who certainly entered
12:12in your sister's story, because she...
12:13Yes, he certainly had the role.
12:14Because she speaks before she disappears, she speaks about it, so this person is there.
12:19But he also told me another interesting thing, which obviously does not concern honest people.
12:24who work at RAI, right?
12:25There is a show that Manuela is on.
12:28Yes, tandem.
12:30Which is called tandem.
12:31We, among other things, with our victory had managed to find...
12:34Yes, I remember when they found it, they had to wash the ribbon.
12:38Yes, it was a feat.
12:39But we managed to find these images.
12:41If we can see them together, why do we see Manuela Orlandi, why...
12:45Here it is, we can scroll through the images while Pietro and I talk.
12:49Here we can really see this sweet girl.
12:54your school is introduced, right?
12:56Here it is, it's on the right.
12:58I remember seeing it here for the first time.
13:00Well, you saw it again here because it was very difficult for us to get these images too.
13:05So, Peter had a thought, but it's not that someone, but not a RAI employee,
13:11in case outside, etc., whoever knew that these school groups were there, recorded it.
13:16Yes, maybe...
13:17And then he kept the tape.
13:18But this means that they had premeditated...
13:20No, they must have premeditated beforehand.
13:22That's obvious.
13:22That's obvious.
13:23I remember when she goes on this show.
13:26Eh, she went anyway...
13:27School was probably ending because it was the end of May, because it was the summer period.
13:34It would have been a month ago at most, no more than a month ago.
13:37But I, since I listen to you family members...
13:39But it's weird that no one ever comes out and says yes, I did it because...
13:42Exactly, I listen to you family members.
13:44If by chance there is some girl who has made a similar recording...
13:49Yes, who was asked the same thing.
13:50Which one was asked?
13:51What school do you go to?
13:52How old are you?
13:54Where are you going on vacation?
13:56Maybe from the same class.
13:57Maybe from the same class.
13:59Anything can be.
14:00Okay, we...
14:01And then let's always remember that when Emanuele was made this job offer...
14:05Yes.
14:06This is in a document from his friend Raffaella Monzi that she released to Sica.
14:10That is, Sica's handwritten document, the report, where she says...
14:14which tells the story of the meeting with Emanuele.
14:16He says, Emanuele told me that while he was coming to school he was made this job offer
14:21and she was with a friend of hers.
14:24That is, Emanuele, when you were made this job offer, you weren't alone.
14:28Monzi says this because Emanuele told her.
14:30But we don't know this friend.
14:33And above all, this man who is approaching, well, we never found him.
14:37But he clearly tried to hook up, right?
14:41And it may be that he was the one who made this recording.
14:44Because otherwise someone...
14:45But you never know, after all, someone can say
14:47no, no, we have these recordings made.
14:51But it's true, it seems like an interview as you say.
14:52It sounds like an interview, you know?
14:54That they asked him things.
14:55Even though I was always struck by Emanuele's voice
14:58he saw her a little sleepy in one part.
15:00A little sleepy.
15:01It seems a bit...
15:02That thing really struck us because at that moment I was thinking about myself Emanuele
15:06the kidnapped one.
15:08That is, we thought she had been kidnapped and she had made those statements.
15:11But it's fragmented, right?
15:14Yes, all the little bits that are anomalous as a recording.
15:17If you want to make someone's voice heard, you just make them heard.
15:20You don't send all the little pieces.
15:21Start stop, start stop.
15:23So, let's see if Ima Giuliani and Francesco Paolo del Re can find something else.
15:26We follow.
15:27Thank you.
15:28Thanks to you, Pietro, who ran to us as soon as you heard.
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