00:00Emanuela Orlandi was the uncle, the Vatican had nothing to do with it, a bad family story.
00:06He molested one of the sisters, Natalina, and he is exactly the same, identical to the identikit that was made.
00:12of the man who had spoken to Emanuela Orlandi before she disappeared.
00:18The comparison was made by Tg della Sette, an authoritative news program,
00:25I wonder if we can see the comparison. Here it is, broadcast on the Sette news,
00:30an authoritative news program directed by Enrico Mentana.
00:34And so a new trail opens up, that of the uncle, this is how we can summarize what happened.
00:41But it must be said that the trail is not new at all.
00:45And Natalina and Pietro, what did they do then?
00:47They presented themselves to the foreign press, a very tough press conference for them.
00:53A difficult moment especially for Natalina, who however does not shy away from questions.
01:00What happened between her and her uncle?
01:04It's something that dates back to '78, since we worked together with my uncle.
01:12My uncle made some simple verbal advances, a small gift.
01:19But when he realized there was no chance whatsoever, that was the end of it.
01:26I was certainly shocked the first few days.
01:29And the first thing, the first person I talked to was Andrea, who was my boyfriend, who
01:34now he is my husband.
01:36So he and I knew it.
01:38Undoubtedly I would never have gone to talk to my father about this thing, also because it was something so
01:44fast, which closed in a short time.
01:49The only person I confided in was our priest, our spiritual father.
01:58And that was it, that was it.
02:01There is a ninety-year-old wife of my uncle, with whom I am very close, and her children, who are not
02:10they knew nothing.
02:12Because I kept this thing to myself, Andrea and the spiritual assistant.
02:19And that's it.
02:21Then over time, in '83, when Emanuela happened, they called me and Andrea to the Carabinieri.
02:31He remained there with the Carabinieri, they took me with a car and took me to the doctor.
02:36Sir.
02:37Where I was interrogated as if she were guilty, reticent, and about whom I didn't want to say things.
02:46When he asked me the specific question, or rather he had called me for a simple reason at the beginning,
02:51to make me listen to that horrible cassette of Emanuela's moaning voice.
02:58Then after he told me, okay no, this is not Emanuela's voice, because her music teachers
03:03they said it isn't.
03:05I'm interested in something else and he asked me if this situation that had been created was true.
03:11in 78.
03:13We are honest people, of course I couldn't say no, even though I knew that I, Andrea, the priest, knew it.
03:23So I said yes to him, also because the thing was already over, closed, and for me it was over.
03:29They did their investigations, I know they moved, they checked, they checked everyone.
03:36And that was it, because they found absolutely nothing.
03:41So now that people are saying that this is the scoop of the moment, that it is the sensational story, that
03:48will solve the case, I dare.
03:52Solve the case.
03:54Then Natalina continued her story, she said that it was the priest himself who advised her to be clear,
04:00to be firm, but to move forward.
04:01And so she did. But who is Emanuela Orlandi's uncle? His name is Mario Meneguzzi, he can no longer
04:08talk because he died.
04:11Here he is on television, we see him together, because he has been on television several times.
04:16Those were the days of the yellow telephone, of Augas, he didn't exist yet. Who saw him?
04:21And we put up these posters. After the posters came the appeal from the Holy Father, which attracted a bit of attention,
04:32begging these people who had, Emanuela, a 14 year old girl, a little more, etc.,
04:40to let the family live too, to do it on foot.
04:45Why is this detail important? Him speaking on television and then becoming the family spokesman?
04:50Because Sambuco must have seen it too. Sambuco is the policeman who sees Emanuela Orlandi speaking before disappearing with a
04:55man in front of the Senate.
04:57He was there, on duty right in front of the Senate, and he sees Emanuela with someone, with a briefcase.
05:04He was in the company of a gentleman. The gentleman seemed to have a briefcase, he had something, but not a
05:11bag, a briefcase.
05:13So they asked me, he says, listen, but the car here? I say, no, no, absolutely, the parked car can't
05:18to stay.
05:18You can't here, you can leave it also because there was a strict no parking sign.
05:22Today there is a parking lot, but back then there was a strict no-parking law.
05:24What kind of car was it?
05:25The car was a BMW, a dark BMW, a metallic BMW, but dark. A dark green, a brown, but a
05:34dark.
05:35Can you describe this man to me?
05:37This man, let's say, a man of about 35 years old, 1.75 m tall or something more, quite slim, long, with
05:47a face that is a little, let's say, long, but with a receding hairline.
05:52So, what happens with a receding hairline? Naturally, a facial profile is taken, three to be precise.
06:00One by hand, one by hand drawing of this man. Let's see it.
06:06Here he is. Then another sketch is taken, an hour later.
06:10The other identikit is done with the help of graphics.
06:13Then there is a third, full-length, practically the man who was talking to Emanuela Orlandi, with his back turned.
06:20Here it is.
06:22So, what's the problem? That Sambuco, the traffic warden, definitely saw Emanuela Orlandi's uncle, because the uncle
06:29he has appeared on TV several times.
06:31We can see, we'll show the images of the uncle going to the press conference, all the news programs here.
06:37These are the shots from Tg3 Lazio, but it goes to Tg1, Tg2, Tg3, Enigma, you see?
06:43In short, it goes practically everywhere.
06:45So, what we ask ourselves, but Sambuco, seeing Emanuela Orlandi's uncle, could have said, is he that man?
06:53that I saw in front of the Senate.
06:55Instead, no, Sambuco makes three identikits and never recognizes Emanuela Orlandi's uncle, who is seen several times
07:02on television, that man who was in front of the Senate.
07:07So, what does this news mean, this really disruptive news?
07:15What we are wondering is that Didi, who is the Vatican promoter and then the Rome prosecutor's office, have decided to
07:21take up this trail, take it up again, because this trail is not actually a new trail.
07:28Let's hear what Didi said on Tg1.
07:32We have certainly found data that has never been worked on and I think now is the time to bring it to light.
07:41to complete this new line of investigation.
07:47They had never been, let's say, investigated in depth. If he was talking about these documents, this lead has actually been explored further.
07:55So Natalina herself tells the story, because Natalina meets Becciu, who is part of the Secretariat of State.
08:01Listen carefully to what Becciu tells him, but Natalina also says that Sica calls her and asks her about this
08:09what had happened with the uncle.
08:11And this happens in '83.
08:13Becciu called me.
08:16I was wondering why he wanted to talk to me about the file that Pietro and his lawyer had been clamoring for for some time.
08:22Instead he just told me that he had this file in the safe in the Secretariat of State, which concerned me and
08:33what happened with my uncle.
08:36And what if my brother had continued to insist on the documentation, which until then they had
08:45said they didn't have,
08:47he should have spread this news too.
08:50Since it seemed to me a bit like blackmail, and since I don't like these things,
08:55I told him that I'm sorry for my aunt, for my cousins, but if she thinks it should be disclosed,
09:01you spread it.
09:03But five years have passed.
09:05But he didn't disclose it and didn't give any kind of document to my brother.
09:08Then the promoter of justice Diddi announces the discovery of these dusty papers in the Vatican
09:15and announces its collaboration with the Rome Public Prosecutor's Office.
09:17And this news comes out.
09:19Yes, and what's more, they weren't too dusty because they were inside the safe in the Secretary of State's Office.
09:24But above all, it's nothing new.
09:27It's like it's something new.
09:29It wasn't anything new, because the Prosecutor's Office already knew about it, they already have the documentation, I presume.
09:34In relation to this matter, you were heard in '83, right?
09:38Yes, yes. In '83, right from Sica.
09:42He asked me to confirm that he knew about this.
09:45I'm not the one who went to Sica to tell him this thing.
09:49It was Sica who asked me if it was true because he had heard these things.
09:55Because we are a clear family, we are a sincere family,
09:59that we have always trusted the institutions,
10:02I told him yes, because in the end nothing had happened.
10:07So there's another thing that was said about Natalina Orlandi,
10:10which, in short, this family has already approved.
10:12It was said that she had not spoken out for fear of being dismissed from the House.
10:16where he worked and where his uncle also worked.
10:20Out of fear he wouldn't speak.
10:21In fact, as you can see, Natalina didn't just talk about it.
10:24These not-so-dusty documents were there in plain sight.
10:28And Natalina actually worked in the Chamber, but she won a competition.
10:35In that article it also says that I would have been scared by the fact
10:39which could get me fired.
10:42But I took part in a public competition.
10:44Fire from what?
10:45My uncle was at the same level as me, they were just older.
10:50So it's madness, it's another madness.
10:55So, let's continue with the uncle.
10:58What's going on?
10:59That Sambuco and another policeman see this person talking to Emanuele Orlandi
11:02before disappearing and getting into the car.
11:05Why do they notice that this person is there?
11:07Why does this person park his car where it can't fit,
11:12that is, in front of the Senate, and he could not stay there.
11:14So he gets in the car and drives off.
11:16Elderberry says that car is a BMW.
11:18So, let's see what kind of machines the Meneguzzi family used,
11:25that of the uncle.
11:26You see, this is the wife, she has a Fiat 128, a Citroen Visa,
11:30then a Mercedes 200, but it had been stolen in '82.
11:34So no BMW.
11:37What was said then in this press conference,
11:41that the uncle was not, not only was not in the Senate,
11:44but it wasn't exactly in Rome because it was in a small town in the Rieti area
11:48and Ercole Orlandi, they call him by phone
11:53because there were no cell phones at that time and there were landlines.
11:57We also took the phone book
11:59and in fact there is a landline they could call right in Torano.
12:07So, this is what we owed you,
12:10but of course you know we will continue to talk
12:14of course of this story.
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