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00:00I'm not denying that it's a story and I'm not ignoring it's a story because you and Keith and
00:06all my friends won't let me. Peter Schreger, nice guy, real nice guy, dead serious. Eraser phrase,
00:15real nice dude. Peter Schreger won't let us forget about it. Peter Schreger on ESPN,
00:22mention the station, mention the guys in the afternoon about you know who because we got to
00:28keep doing it. So the Cavs play the Knicks in the Eastern Conference Finals game one. I'm scrolling
00:32Twitter. I see 92, three, the fan. I see my guys, Nick Wilson and Jonathan Peterlin. And what are
00:38they talking about? They're talking about miles Garrett and the fact that he's not there. And
00:42their point was, this is not a story. Let's not make a story out of this. This is what he
00:46did last
00:46year until June 9th when it's mandatory. Why are we even talking about this? I think it could be a
00:52story. New head coach, new defensive coordinator, new fresh blood. Maybe it's Deshaun Watson playing
01:00at quarterback for the first time in four years. Why isn't it a story that their star player and the
01:07best player for the franchise in the last nearly two decades, maybe since Joe Thomas wasn't there
01:13at OTAs. Could he have shown up? Look, I know it's going to be nearly impossible to get us riled
01:19up and
01:19ready to go about doing miles Garrett trade talk in May after we went through all the free agency
01:25and all of the draft, but it all goes away. If miles Garrett shows up with a happy face,
01:30audio courtesy at ESPN. It's not me trying to deny the story or trying to ignore the story.
01:37Obviously it's not going to go away, but I think it's a lot of people who the real truth of
01:42this
01:42is don't believe the Browns have a chance at hell. Like yet, like a couple of days ago, you and
01:46I went
01:46after each other to the point where we almost came to blows for the first time in 10 years.
01:50It came as close as it ever did. And I called you whammer and that was a trigger and you
01:55can call
01:55me Kenny Haslam and things like that. But we had the conversation about the quarterbacks yesterday
02:00and I said, yeah, if Todd Munkin ends up being that Todd Munkin ends up making the decision,
02:05it's probably going to be the veteran quarterback here. And a lot of people disagree because they
02:08don't want to see him out there. And I'm just looking at it going, well, guys, this is what
02:12this is what they're going to do because he's going to go with the veteran. And there was a lot
02:17of, well, Kenny thinks that they're going to be such a great team anyway. I go, I thought they're
02:21going to win seven games right now. I think there are seven, seven game winner, which more on that
02:26coming up here in a little bit, because I don't know what credit Todd Munkin could take for winning
02:30seven games, but we'll see where Jonathan comes out on that. And I think a lot of fans, I think
02:35a lot
02:35of the media thinks the same way, seven or less over under what in Vegas is what? It's five and
02:39a half,
02:39six, six, I think it was six and a half. Wow. It's okay. It's popping up. Yeah. I don't think
02:45they're going to be very great. And if I were in Chicago, if you and I were at the score
02:51and the
02:52Browns got brought up, you would go, well, they're kind of running in place. I won't deny you have a
02:57great quarterback class coming up. America doesn't think any bit of your quarterback room. So there's
03:03no real Deshaun fenders who are listening. They don't care. They won't get upset about Deshaun.
03:09The Shador fans, guys, you guys know the truth. They think none of the quarterbacks are going to
03:14be here in 2027. And the odds are they probably won't be here in 2027. So they're looking at it
03:20going, you're either living or you're dying guys. And you got a guy who they believe is clearly not
03:24happy. I'm just going by the history. That's all I'm doing. And I'm going by everything the Browns
03:29have done this off season that tells me that they think they're closer and they think that they are
03:35over seven wins or over six wins, as you've predicted so far, they think that they're going
03:41to be a lot closer to be competitive. That's why they only got rid of one guy. They're a lot
03:45closer
03:45to being competitive than everybody else thinks. Does it matter to you what they think? Who?
03:50The Browns. There's been plenty of Browns teams that thought they were going to be good.
03:54No, I'm just trying to tell the truth as I see it. Guys, I can buy if the Cowboys come
04:00to us in August, because Nick had brought up a couple days ago, well, you know, after
04:04June 2nd, I go, boy, I want to say the same thing, but I can't bring myself to do it,
04:08buddy.
04:08He's like, I'm just going to put a moratorium on the whole Miles conversation. It ain't
04:12going to happen. Well, when Micah Parsons gets traded in August, I have to be on high
04:16alert all offseason for the possibilities of Miles Garrett, because somebody who thinks
04:21that they're going to compete for a Super Bowl will probably come calling, will probably
04:25make a call. And if they make that call, and if they're willing to do an obscene deal,
04:31of course, I got to buy this.
04:32Yeah, you're not saying the Browns shouldn't pick up the phone.
04:34No, no, I'm not saying that.
04:36I think there are fans that say they shouldn't pick up the phone, but that to me is outrageous.
04:39You have to pick up the phone. If somebody calls you and offers you three first-round
04:41picks and tells you, Kenny, we're going to give you, I know they're back-end first-round
04:44picks more than likely, but it's still currency that you can use and move around and things
04:48like that. If Miles is clearly unhappy, it doesn't seem like he's thrilled, but I don't
04:54think that Miles has really been thrilled in three years since they went to the playoffs.
04:59I don't even know how thrilled he was then. I just look at his history and the same conversations
05:06that we've been having for now a decade with Miles Garrett. He doesn't come to OTAs.
05:12He doesn't come to off-season workouts. The only thing he really comes to is mandatory
05:16things, and it's not like he's a bad guy or has a horrific attitude because he goes out
05:21there and he sacks everybody and he sets records.
05:23Well, to be truthful, though, you could be a bad guy and be a terrible teammate and still
05:28get 18 sacks, 19 sacks, 20 sacks. You could just be that good. I'm not saying he is, but
05:32I'm saying one has nothing to do with the other.
05:33Okay, fine, but I'm just looking at it in his situation. You'd be a bad teammate, get yourself
05:38suspended, all that stuff, and go out there and still be an all-time legend. I mean, good
05:40God, look at other guys. With him, I just look at his history, and I see what the Browns
05:46are doing, and I go, man, I think you guys are hoping instead of really looking at it
05:49for what it is. He could calm a lot of things down by being here. That's just not him.
05:55Well, here's my thing. Like, okay, fine. Not going to be bothered to show up to anything,
05:59although when he does come into Cleveland, he does everything but go to the facility.
06:03Like, I thought that was kind of interesting. That was kind of bizarre to me. I'm not saying
06:07you have to, like, go to practice or do it, but you can, you know, there could be some
06:10pictures of you on social media, you know, at the team facility. The other part of this
06:15is, like, these players have platforms that they didn't have 20 years ago. Like, Miles
06:20could diffuse all of this so easily and go on Instagram, go on someone's podcast. Remember
06:26he did the one with Micah Parsons, and it was awesome. He's so good at it. He could do all
06:31of this to alleviate it, which goes to show he kind of likes the conversation. Let's
06:37be honest. Miles likes being talked about. He loves that Peter Schrager just mentioned
06:42him on national airwaves and brought it up as a story. He's not doing anything to diffuse
06:47it. Like, he could go, he could go out of his way and make all this disappear immediately
06:52by doing a Zoom call with, um, with the head coach and then boom, they can put that out.
06:58Now, for the first time in a while, I think I'm going to agree with you on something because
07:02he very well, you know what? Record this. This is where I'll, this is why I'll come with
07:07you on one of these things. The more conversation that happens, the more these other general
07:13managers kind of kick around and go, you know, we offered him two ones a couple of years
07:17ago and they didn't, they weren't going to bite it. Guys, how, how, how close are we?
07:21Steven Jones, use Dallas as an example, because everybody thinks Dallas is crazy. So go ahead
07:25and use Dallas as an example, right? Steven Jones looks at the old man and goes, well,
07:29you know, dad, you ain't getting any younger. Ain't getting any younger. We got the Dax
07:33back. We got these guys on defense again. This, whether or not a Browns fan believes
07:38that Dallas is close to a championship is beyond the point. The point is, is that the more conversation
07:43that happens, if you got a bunch of people talking in your neighborhood about selling
07:47their houses, you, you'd think you're, you and your wife ain't gonna sit down and go,
07:50you know, well, what could we get for ours? The neighbors buy a new car. Hey, you know
07:55what? That van, I don't know if that van's really the, like what, what, what my wife wants
08:00anymore. Like you, you have these and everybody's talking about these things. You can't help but
08:05have the conversation with yourself. So that's where I think you're right. Miles, if he came
08:09out and said, there ain't no way I'm a Cleveland Brown for life, this, that, and the other, maybe
08:13it kills it. Maybe it helps kill it. Probably not because it's a long off season. We have
08:17to have conversations. And I think a lot of people will just go out there and say,
08:19yeah, Miles can say whatever he wants. I don't believe him, but he could kill a lot
08:23of that by saying it. You're right. The more the conversation is out there, the more maybe
08:28miles goes, Hey, maybe some of these guys have this conversation and say, maybe they
08:32will give up three first round picks. And maybe it's a place that I want to go a Dallas, a
08:36Philadelphia, et cetera. Maybe it would be green Bay, green Bay, Buffalo, like those
08:41things. So that I won't deny because it is the chance to make a lot of money because the
08:46second he got traded, it would probably be top end. Again, you would probably be
08:50resigned to it. You would have a different contract. You would have a reword contract.
08:54So you should be able to get there too and compete as well. It's tough to me because
09:00when, when a guy like Peter Schrager, who we really like, and when a lot of these guys
09:05who we'd like Albert Breer, Robert Breer is good. When they bring it up, it sounds like
09:10I'm fighting the truth. I'm not fighting the truth. It makes sense. If you don't
09:15think that the football team is going to be good and you don't think that they have
09:18a quarterback. Yeah. You better get ready to, for the future. 2027 has a great draft
09:22class. We believe so right now, 2027 has a great class. You guys need to get
09:26yourselves ready. You guys got a good young football team here. Spend another year
09:29kind of on the mat. Then you guys get yourself a rookie. Then you guys get ready to
09:33go. But I just see what the Browns have done. And I go, I don't think they have any
09:36inclination about that whatsoever. And Miles, if the Browns are, are, are so strong about
09:41not trading miles, what's miles going to do? He ain't going to stay home and cost
09:44himself money. That's bad business. So he'll come to work. He'll show up, cost
09:49himself $50,000 a day. I understand that the Browns could just waive that if they
09:53really needed to. And it seems that they'll do anything for miles, but I don't
09:56think that miles is even going to question costing himself money. So he'll still come
10:01to work for the mandatory stuff, but he's never really showed up for the
10:04voluntary stuff. Not since what is rookie year? Well, that's the hard part of this
10:08is we have no idea. The Browns probably do, but we have no idea whether or not
10:13miles truly wants out. Right. It's an assumption from everybody outside of
10:18Cleveland. Like, of course he wants out. Of course he wants to go to a team like
10:21the Cowboys or an actual contender and, and, you know, have a chance right now.
10:26Like the Browns would have a quarterback and until they have a quarterback, like why
10:29would he want to waste years of his career when you see an injury happens and
10:35you're never the same, and then you lose all the leverage and these teams, they
10:40turn on you quicker than ever. So, you know, that, that is part of the dialogue.
10:44Let me ask you this. And this is where I think the Jim Schwartz stuff is
10:47overblown. He said this stuff when Jim Schwartz was his office, was his
10:51defensive coordinator. Could Jim Schwartz end all that conversation? Do you really
10:56think he'd be here for Jim Schwartz? Do you really think he would be at the
10:59voluntary stuff for Jim? He may like Jim Schwartz. He's going to be about his
11:03business. He's going to be about his legacy and his greatness. Oh, that's a good
11:06question. Would he have shown if Schwartz got the job? Would he stop any of these
11:08conversations if Jim Schwartz actually got the job? I don't think he would. Yeah, I
11:12don't know. I don't think he would. He's, he's, he does his own thing. He is a, he is
11:17a guy that I think frustrates a lot of people because he, he marches by the beat of his
11:22own drum. He doesn't do the classic rah-rah crap. He doesn't do it. And that
11:26bothers a lot of us because we all stopped playing football in high school and we
11:30all did that. Well, and when Aaron Rodgers wasn't doing that stuff for many
11:32years of his career, everybody called him a bad leader. And that's true. And Aaron
11:36Rodgers is a quarterback like Lamar Jackson. Lamar's a quarterback. I think that
11:39those are issues. If those guys aren't at those places like Lamar, they did get
11:44called all those things. Like you're a bad leader. You're someone who the other
11:49teammates can't relate to, but they're still in a different position. They are
11:54the supreme position, maybe in sports, certainly in their sport where they got
11:58to know where everybody's going at all times. Miles. Yeah. He's got to know where
12:01other guys are going on the defensive line and certain stunts and things like
12:04that, but he don't need to know what they're doing on D offense. He don't need
12:07to know what the Browns are doing offense. He doesn't need to know what they're
12:10doing behind him. He's got one job and one job only. And he's really, really good
12:13at it. And he'll be wearing a gold jacket the first chance he gets because of what
12:17he does. But I don't think that this Jim Schwartz stuff I think is completely
12:20overblown. I think he'd still be feeling the same way because I'll tell you what
12:24Tone, I think that you have a very hell of a point right there that I can't
12:27fight. I can't get into Miles Garrett's headspace. It's been over a year since I
12:31said anything to the guy. Well, no, it's been since last year since I said anything
12:34to the guy. So it's been seven months since I said anything to him. And I think for
12:38him, he may very well go, Hey, let's keep that conversation going. Maybe
12:41somebody does decide to do it, or I'll just go back to Cleveland and make a hell of a
12:45lot of money and go stack sacks. And maybe if we're not a good football team,
12:48someone will call it the trade deadline. Still. I'm just looking for some evidence
12:53either way. It works out for him. I'm looking for any evidence that's out there. And if
12:56you guys can find it, I'm looking for any evidence whatsoever that he's excited to
13:01be a Cleveland Brown. He's excited to play for Todd Munkin. I'm just looking for some
13:04evidence. He has not volunteered any of that. When's the last time you had evidence
13:08that he's excited to play as a Cleveland Brown though? A couple of years. Be nice to hear
13:13it now. Has been a couple of years. It'd be reassuring to the fans. I think it would
13:16be nice. It might be reassuring, but I do think that, that as the time grows in the
13:21conversation, as the conversation continues, I mean, you're kind of seeing it right now
13:26on the social media stuff. I think there's plenty of people kind of changing their mind
13:29on that going. Maybe I wouldn't feel so great. Maybe they should be picking up the
13:32phone. Maybe we should take the value for what we got guys. There's plenty of people
13:36who think we are wasting our time talking about any of these quarterbacks are in this
13:40quarterback room. And by the way, more than likely considering the Browns history, you
13:43guys are right. You guys are right. And look at the rest of the world and how they think
13:48about the quarterback situation. At least in major media, they just think that we're
13:52wasting our time with the quarterbacks. Hence, that's why we're talking about Miles Garrett
13:55so much. Because every way we do this, it just works out well for Miles. Miles can be
13:59traded to a competitor. He can stay here and make a lot of money. And honestly, the
14:02Browns would probably give him another contract to make sure he's the highest paid
14:06non-quarterback. Or he can be traded to a competitor and still get a contract. Either
14:10way, Miles wins. So what good is it to his business? I think he's just being a businessman.
14:16What good is it to his business to stop any of this?
14:19You just knew when Adam Schefter retweeted that yesterday, this is not going anywhere in
14:25terms of this is always going to be a story now.
14:27I'm not denying it. I'm not going to sit there and say Albert Breer's a liar or Peter Schrager's
14:32a liar because they ain't lying. Because if you were to look at it from any individual,
14:36if somebody calls you, Anthony is the GM, me is the GM, I like Miles and I know you like
14:40Miles too. But if somebody calls up and gives me three first round picks, is willing to give
14:43me three first round picks, I might have to consider calling Miles and say, hey, because
14:48you have the no trade clause, you want to go to this team? I got to kick this idea around.
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