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00:00Okay, also still with us, also on this side of the earth,
00:04and obviously with the Cleveland Browns, is Myles Garrett.
00:07Now, Lima said to me, quote,
00:08I don't think people here understand that,
00:11and that apparently I need something explained to me
00:14because it came out on Pro Football Talk last night.
00:18Mary Kay Cavett had reported it, that OTA start today,
00:22and that, you know, he ain't going to be there.
00:26Which he wasn't there last year, and he had 23 sacks.
00:30Yeah, it was expected that Aaron Rodgers will be at Pittsburgh's,
00:35the guy who famously doesn't go to anything,
00:37but he'll be there, and Myles Garrett is not expected.
00:40Now, why did they say they did not expect Myles to be there?
00:44Weren't there some Browns fans that were like,
00:46all right, he'll come to this.
00:47He missed that other stuff, but he'll definitely come to this.
00:50Well, he didn't go to it last year,
00:51so why would I expect him to go to it this year?
00:53Because of the new coach and the coaching staff.
00:57All right, just tell everybody what you're getting at
00:59so you don't walk me into some stupid trap.
01:01Every time anybody at the station is like,
01:04why do we have to talk about this?
01:05And I'm like, well, you...
01:06Why does anybody at the station?
01:07You mean me.
01:08Just say, why, Ken, do you always say,
01:10why do we have to talk about this?
01:11Yeah, I mean, you don't have to talk about it,
01:13but the prevailing thought from almost anybody who's not a Browns fan
01:18is the Browns are trading him after the June date
01:21that everybody has circled around the league.
01:23June 2nd.
01:24Yeah.
01:25I mean, technically it's post-June 1st,
01:27but like June 2nd would be the date that it would start.
01:30Why?
01:33I understand that people...
01:36Listen, he's a really good football player on a not-so-great team,
01:40so they want to put him on a great football team.
01:43On a team that is currently on a few of the sites,
01:45underdogs in 15 of the 17 games coming up.
01:47Guys, I don't think they're trading him.
01:48I just don't think they're trading him.
01:50Sure, but the people outside of Cleveland think they are trading him.
01:53But there's a...
01:54No, I think there's a difference between they are and they should.
01:57I think there's a difference.
01:58I think there's people outside of Cleveland
02:00who think they should trade him
02:02and that it would make sense
02:03considering you get three first-round picks.
02:04Hell, I think there's also plenty of people in Cleveland
02:07who think they should trade him.
02:08I just don't think they're trading him.
02:10I really don't.
02:12Is that naive of me to say?
02:13It probably is.
02:15You think I'm naive to say that?
02:16I think all of us.
02:16You've seen this team make these moves?
02:18I think most of Cleveland...
02:19So what do you think is going to happen?
02:21You think he's going to start the season with the Browns?
02:22You don't think he's going to start the season with the Browns?
02:23You said you saw the team make these moves.
02:25Aren't all the NFL teams making moves?
02:28I mean, other teams have free agency too
02:29that are expected to be really bad.
02:31We have evidence of this organization
02:33punting on a season before.
02:34Punting on two seasons before.
02:37There's no evidence to show that there.
02:38They could punt on this season if they wanted to.
02:40The Browns don't need to punt on seasons
02:42to punt on seasons.
02:43Bad teams don't need to overtly try to go 0-17
02:47to have a bad season.
02:48Well, Miles Garrett won a game
02:49just by being on the field last year.
02:51So if you're trying to do what...
02:53Or if they're trying to do what you think
02:55they may be trying to do,
02:56he would not be an advantage to having...
02:59to being a football team...
03:00That's why people think they're trading him.
03:01...to getting there.
03:01I think they think it's a good idea to trade him.
03:04I don't think...
03:05What tells me that they're going to trade him?
03:07What has told you that they're going to trade him?
03:09Oh, just the window.
03:10Like, you're starting over with...
03:12The window's the window schmindo.
03:13It doesn't matter.
03:14With two rookie classes,
03:16you're going to be one of the youngest teams
03:17in the NFL this year.
03:18Those teams with a guy in his prime,
03:22and we don't know how long the Miles Garrett prime...
03:24You seem befuddled when it's...
03:25I am.
03:26It's not...
03:26I am.
03:26I'm glaring at you with...
03:28I'm incredulous.
03:30I've said for three years now
03:31that if a new GM came in,
03:33the first thing he would do is trade Miles Garrett.
03:34Well, we don't have a new GM.
03:35We have Andrew Barry.
03:36I know.
03:36He's a seventh-year GM.
03:37But you're acting like it's crazy talk
03:39when everybody outside of Cleveland
03:40thinks he's getting traded.
03:42And I still say to you,
03:43words matter.
03:44But you follow the league, right?
03:45You would think,
03:46if the Jets had Miles Garrett,
03:48wouldn't you assume...
03:49If you were on CBS Sports Radio,
03:51wouldn't you come on every day and say,
03:52the Jets,
03:53it's just a matter of time
03:54before they trade Miles Garrett?
03:55Wouldn't you say that?
03:56You would.
03:57You wouldn't say,
03:58look at all the moves that they had.
04:00They're trying to win.
04:01If I sat there watching the Jets
04:02do the same thing as the Browns,
04:05no, I would not say that.
04:06Yes, you would.
04:07No, I would...
04:07Okay, you know what?
04:08I'm telling you the truth.
04:09This is such a clear case
04:10of you're in the Ken Carman-Clevelon bubble right now.
04:12There's no way you would say that.
04:14This is such a clear case
04:14of you having your head up your ass
04:15and not listening to what I'm trying to tell you.
04:17Which is what a bubble person would say.
04:19That is what a bubble boy would say.
04:20So I can't even get an opinion off because...
04:22You can.
04:22Well, no, because I'm in the bubble.
04:24So I can't even say what I feel.
04:27I can't even tell you how I feel about it.
04:28You are restrained by the bubble.
04:30So just do the show by yourself then.
04:32Do the segment by yourself.
04:33That wouldn't be much fun.
04:35Although if you were dressed like a big bubble
04:36doing the show with me on YouTube,
04:38that would be entertaining.
04:40Your words would come out funny in the bubble.
04:42There is the Bubble Boy movie.
04:44Was John Travolta in the Bubble Boy movie?
04:46The movie was terrible, wasn't it?
04:47Please give me something here.
04:49I grew up on the Bubble Boy movie.
04:50I can't...
04:51Well, there was one in 2001, if that's what you want.
04:54They redid the Bubble Boy movie?
04:56Now, LeBron James won a championship in the bubble,
05:00but it widely has an asterisk.
05:04I'm not going to do it.
05:05I'm not going to sit there and get all red-faced
05:07and bust my blood vessels over words.
05:09It's not going to happen.
05:10I know from what they're doing,
05:13I don't believe that they have any intention to trade him.
05:16And I think you're confusing,
05:17because I think you're so obsessed with being outside of the bubble,
05:20but you've put yourself in your own bubble.
05:21Wow.
05:21You are confusing what people's opinions are
05:25compared to what they're going to do.
05:26We have dueling bubbles right now.
05:28You've had the PR guy, excuse me,
05:30the insider Adam Schefter say over and over and over again,
05:33the Browns have no plans on trading him.
05:35And you're just going to this day in June
05:38saying, well, once we get to June,
05:40all right, what if we get to July and he's still not trading?
05:41What if we get to August and he's still not trading?
05:43The Micah Parsons month,
05:46what if we get to there and he's still not trading?
05:47Will you believe them then?
05:48Is it because I don't think they're trading him.
05:50I'll believe it when he's on the team week one.
05:52Yeah.
05:52So I have to sit here and have these stupid conversations
05:54over the next few months.
05:56I don't have to have the conversations at all.
05:57I just, I just don't think.
05:58You wanted to have the conversation today.
06:00You wanted to explain to me the truth today.
06:02I think it's the least great.
06:03You're, you're acting like it's crazy.
06:05And I'm like, it's the least crazy.
06:07Do you think the conversation would not exist
06:09if he showed up today?
06:11Right.
06:11I think, I think actually that would do a, do a, a, a very, very reasonable job
06:16of suppressing that.
06:17It would have a much better chance of not, not having air.
06:19Okay.
06:20That's true.
06:21That is true.
06:22It would, it would have a much better chance.
06:24Is there a reason he's not going to anything?
06:26Because remember, we, we all said this at the time.
06:29I need to clarify something too.
06:30He was lobbying for Jim Schwartz and Jim Schwartz didn't get the job.
06:33And we did ask the question at the time,
06:35how was that going to go over with miles Garrett when the guy he wanted
06:39the vouch for did not get the job.
06:42And now he's still not showing the stuff.
06:44What do you think?
06:45He didn't show the stuff last year.
06:47I know, but they had the same coach for the fifth straight year.
06:50This is a new coach, a new defensive coordinator.
06:53At some point, it'd be nice to have everybody.
06:55What's he supposed to do?
06:56Well, supposed to be, no, I'm a, what's he supposed to do
06:59with the new defensive coordinator?
07:00I think you could line up a million guys on defensive coordinators.
07:03Oh, and you ran offense with the youth football team, right?
07:06Both of them last year.
07:06Okay.
07:07I've run defense before.
07:08And if I had miles Garrett, I would just go, Hey, go after that guy.
07:11I, I, all right.
07:12Do you really need to be here to go after him football?
07:14If we had miles Garrett, like we go,
07:15they'd be leading me out of there in cuffs, but we'd win the damn game.
07:18I'll tell you that we've, we've obviously had the con you're being funny.
07:21We've had the conversations forever about now.
07:23I'm the one being obtuse about this.
07:25Okay.
07:25About what that would be the embodiment of how that would look.
07:29Look, the coach, the defensive coordinator, the new staffers,
07:34everybody doing this for the first time.
07:36And then their star defensive player.
07:38Like, I think it would go a long way.
07:40Sometimes it is more than just like the physical, Hey, we're going over plays.
07:44Yeah.
07:44Miles doesn't need to do that.
07:46Miles could show up at halftime of the first game.
07:49I don't think anybody would be wondering if miles Garrett would have an impact on the game
07:52or that the defense would be really good.
07:54It's, it's so much more than that.
07:56And I think there's a symbolic nature of that stuff from somebody who's supposed to be a
08:00leader who is, you know, one of the highest paid guys, you know, in the league.
08:05I think that stuff does go a long way.
08:07And I think you guys are lying to yourselves.
08:09If you're acting like you wouldn't love it.
08:11I've had this conversation with you so many years in the past and it's never mattered.
08:14And he's always been one of the top players in the NFL.
08:16And I'm still time.
08:17And I'm not saying he would player of the year.
08:19He's an MVP candidate for crying out loud.
08:20That's not the conversation.
08:21Yes, it is.
08:21We're not wondering.
08:22It is part of the conversation.
08:23Nobody here is saying miles wouldn't be good.
08:24I don't want him to be some sort of Mr. Miyagi type figure to everybody else out there
08:28where it would mean this, that, and the other.
08:29And it really wouldn't.
08:30He's a defensive end.
08:30And he's paid to go after the quarterback.
08:32I guess nobody should show.
08:33Nobody should show because nothing matters.
08:34No, it's Miles Garrett.
08:35Are they as good as Miles Garrett?
08:36We're on year.
08:37Are they as good as Miles Garrett?
08:38We are on year what?
08:39Are they as good as Miles Garrett?
08:4015 of the station of Ken Carman saying none of this stuff matters.
08:43Be difficult.
08:44And what is the one common theme with the Browns?
08:45I didn't say none of it matters.
08:46All of it matters because they're bad every year.
08:49I didn't say none of it matters.
08:49They're bad almost every year.
08:50They've been a good two years.
08:51So what matters?
08:51And they look like they're getting better this year.
08:53Oh, they look like they're getting better.
08:54But they've been good two of those years out of the last ten years we've been together.
08:56Vegas has them for six wins this year.
08:58Congratulations on all Vegas' success.
09:00And Ken thinks they're going to win how many games?
09:01But I didn't say everybody.
09:02I said six.
09:03I said six.
09:04I said seven last week.
09:06And it'll be eight next week.
09:07And it'll be 11 before the season starts.
09:09Well, you know what?
09:10Maybe we'll see where that goes.
09:11And then Miles will be mad.
09:12And he'll probably ask to be traded again.
09:14And Ken will go, where did this come from?
09:16Oh, I don't understand.
09:17That's not how that goes.
09:19You'll be bowled over.
09:20I don't know.
09:21I never saw this coming.
09:22This is a runaway freight train.
09:24You did a typical move that's in most arguments.
09:27And I'm actually appalled that you would do it.
09:29I thought I would hold you to a higher regard.
09:30You took one little thing and then took it to the umpteenth degree.
09:34Are all the other 52 players on the team named Miles Garrett and play like Miles Garrett?
09:37Are they like Miles Garrett?
09:38No, they're not.
09:39There's Miles Garrett and then there's everybody else.
09:41So, yes, it is important that they all do it.
09:43I would expect Aiden Huntington to be there for all this stuff.
09:48I would expect Alex Wright to be there.
09:52If you were in Pittsburgh doing radio today, you would say what about Aaron Rodgers coming?
09:56I'm sorry.
09:57Does Miles Garrett play quarterback?
09:57Does it matter or it matter?
09:58Does Miles Garrett play quarterback?
09:59Does he have to do what everybody else needs to do on offense?
10:01Ken has found his one saving grace.
10:05Oh, Miles isn't the quarterback.
10:06It doesn't matter what he does.
10:07Yes, it does matter.
10:08It's not a one saving grace.
10:09Yes, it does.
10:09It's the win in the argument.
10:10That's what it is.
10:11Oh, yeah.
10:11You're really winning this one.
10:122-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
10:14How am I losing it?
10:16By the way, you're confusing something else.
10:17Because you tell me these things never matter and then all season you go,
10:20well, he's not a leader.
10:21It doesn't matter to him.
10:22What would make him a leader?
10:23It doesn't matter to him.
10:24What would make him a leader?
10:25Because, no, no, no, no.
10:26Maybe showing up to stuff?
10:27Would that make him a leader?
10:28No, no, no.
10:28This is where you got confused again because you're living in your own world.
10:31Maybe you've had a little bit too much bourbon at night watching the NBA playoffs
10:34because you don't know what I'm saying.
10:36Oh, bourbon bomb.
10:36Listen to what I'm saying over here.
10:39Bourbon bomb?
10:40Bourbon bomb.
10:40I have had a lot of bourbon throughout the playoffs.
10:43Were you drinking last night?
10:43No, I actually was not.
10:45I was not.
10:46Look at my eyes.
10:46Look at my eyes.
10:47Do you want me to walk the line?
10:49I have a breathalyzer in here you can come take.
10:51Our breathalyzer test brought to you by?
10:54Shyman Jewelers.
10:57That'd be an amazing bit.
10:59Who would be?
11:01A couple things.
11:03One, I said he's not a leader because I get tired of hearing people expecting leadership out of him.
11:08It ain't happening.
11:10It ain't happening.
11:11It ain't going to happen.
11:12It hasn't happened.
11:14The other thing is, he's Miles Garrett and the other ones ain't.
11:17And they pay him to do one thing.
11:20Everywhere, everything he's done, it's been against the grain.
11:23Think about his entire career.
11:25It's all been against the grain, Anthony.
11:27Everything has not been the way that we wanted it to be from when he first got drafted by the
11:32Cleveland Browns.
11:32And every year, he's answered the bell and he's had more sacks this last year than he ever has in
11:38a season.
11:39So, there comes a point where I throw my hands up and I go, he wins.
11:43He wins.
11:44Do you think Bill Belichick, now I know that Lawrence Taylor had a completely different set of circumstances than Miles
11:49Garrett, okay?
11:50But do you think that Bill Belichick and Bill Parcells were just thrilled with all the things that they were
11:55hearing about Lawrence Taylor?
11:57And Lawrence Taylor's showing up late, Lawrence Taylor's showing up maybe a little bit under the influence, Lawrence Taylor showing
12:03up and falling asleep?
12:04Do you think that they liked that?
12:05Hell no, they didn't like that.
12:07But there comes a time where you go, well, I got to do what I got to do because he
12:10shows up on Sundays and he wrecks everything and he helps us win football games.
12:13And even the lowly Browns, where they shouldn't have won that game against Pittsburgh last year, I'll admit that.
12:19I was in the stands for it and loved the experience.
12:22Yes, they shouldn't have won that game.
12:23He won the game by just being on the field.
12:25And before this segment ends, let me explain something else to you.
12:29I'm not saying it's dumb if they did trade him in June.
12:32I would just be surprised.
12:34I'd feel bad for Todd Munkin.
12:35I'd feel real bad for him because he seems like a good guy and that just shot everything dead right
12:41there like Mikey Palmese over on Sopranos.
12:44That's about it.
12:45I don't know why I used that experience.
12:46I'm sorry.
12:46Let's strike that from the record.
12:48Let me tell you that.
12:49That's the truth of the matter.
12:50I'd feel bad for Todd Munkin.
12:52They got three first-round picks.
12:53I'm going to get on the radio and say it's stupid.
12:55What?
12:57I just don't believe it's going to happen.
12:59That is why I get so frustrated.
13:02You're convinced it's going to happen because I think that you and a lot of other people go, well, they're
13:06not going to be that good, so why are you even trying?
13:08Let's go and get the draft picks.
13:09Which actually, I've entertained that conversation with everybody.
13:12I'm not calling those people stupid.
13:14They're trying to see it from a 30,000-foot view.
13:16The only other part of it would be that he's doing this until he gets the largest non-quarterback contract
13:22in the NFL.
13:23And quite frankly, he could do that every year.
13:24Here we go.
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