00:00It doesn't sound like, now Masai Ujiri kind of tricked us already with Jason Kidd,
00:05it doesn't sound like they have any interest in dealing Kyrie.
00:11It doesn't.
00:12Hang on, Peyton, play the clip please.
00:14You know, Kevin Durant once told me that there's only one Kyrie walking around in the world.
00:22Yeah, I think we have to figure out a way, you know, like to, you know, how Kyrie fits with
00:31our program.
00:32And I've had those conversations with Kyrie up till yesterday.
00:36And I think Kyrie will fit.
00:38You know, as I said it before, there's a huge curiosity in our minds to see how Kyrie fits playing
00:46with Cooper Flagg.
00:47He's just that kind of like an incredible talent and player.
00:51And I think we owe that organization and we owe this organization that.
00:57New GM Mike Schmitz, who was on with KNC yesterday, said the pairing is beautiful.
01:02That's like something you dream of.
01:05Having a magician with the ball like that who can pass, dribble, shoot,
01:07and someone with the connective qualities of Coop, that's a match made in heaven.
01:12So he didn't call him a mentalist with the ball.
01:14So I think it's, he says, you know, Kevin Durant told me there's only one Kyrie walking around this earth.
01:22Well, the problem is he hasn't been walking.
01:23Yeah.
01:23And it's been two years, basically.
01:24But he's literally only going to be able to walk.
01:26If we're all talking about the guy Kyrie was when they went to the finals, not the guy in the
01:31finals, of course, not at the garden.
01:33But if we're talking about the guy that went to the finals, yeah, everybody would be like,
01:36that'd be awesome to have around playing with Cooper Flagg.
01:38The problem is that's going to be going on three years ago, post-injury.
01:43You don't know if that's the same player anymore.
01:45I still wouldn't.
01:46If you told me he was going to be that guy, I still wouldn't.
01:48And he is going to be.
01:50That's what I was going to clarify.
01:51If you told me he could be that guy for five years, I'd be in favor of him sticking around.
01:54He's not going to be.
01:55Yes.
01:56Even if he's that guy, it's not going to be for long.
01:57I want to be clear.
01:58He is going to come back and drop 24 a game, in my opinion.
02:02While he's running around, he'll drop 24 a game.
02:05And my point is he's not going to do it long enough after two years to matter.
02:15You could tell me that he's going to be.
02:16They're not going to win a championship.
02:17Kevin Hagelin, I mean, I could nominate him for worst take yesterday in crosstalk when he's like,
02:22they could be maybe a contender next year.
02:26Yeah, a contender for the play-in.
02:28Like, you need assets.
02:30Well, he was probably a factor in all his dookies.
02:32He couldn't say Kyrie wouldn't be a championship contender.
02:34And John Shire coaching him with Cooper.
02:37What kind of position are the Mavericks in, though, because they do need assets?
02:41Like, I wonder if because of where Kyrie's at, does that make teams a little more like,
02:46what are you going to do?
02:47You need assets.
02:48I don't have to give you top of the market at all.
02:51I don't think that'll work against them because, I mean, do you want Kyrie Irving or not?
02:57You're desperate to win a championship, too.
02:59Right.
03:00They both should have the same level of desperation.
03:01Teams have never lost leverage when a player asks out.
03:04They still get fair value a lot of times in the NBA.
03:08I don't think that's going to make.
03:10I mean, these guys still get traded.
03:12They still get traded to where they want to go, and they still get a lot of assets.
03:14I think the NBA historically has been the most lopsided.
03:16If a player demands out and just goes, you've got to move me, then teams a lot of times don't
03:20get fair value.
03:20Well, first of all, I guess to clarify, there's no such thing as fair value when you're trading the star
03:27of the deal.
03:28The team that trades the star always loses, but I think you'll still be able to get plenty because teams
03:33also don't value draft picks the way they do necessarily in the NFL.
03:35So Sam Quinn over at CBS came up with Kyrie Possibilities.
03:40Yeah, he has five spots.
03:42Number one is Minnesota.
03:45You brought them up yesterday because of my great point.
03:49This is an all-in team.
03:50Yeah, Anthony Edwards apparently wants them, too.
03:52They've invested basically all their draft capital into building their current roster.
03:57They were non-competitive with the Thunder last spring, non-competitive with the Spurs last round.
04:03They lack assets to pursue a younger, healthier star.
04:07They tried for Giannis, but they could take a step back.
04:13They don't have a two.
04:14No.
04:14They just don't have a legit two to win a championship.
04:17The problem is they could match the money with Randall and DiVincenzo.
04:21Do you want those guys?
04:23All right, so they can offer 28 this year, first-round swap rights in 2028,
04:30and an unprotected pick in 2033 when Kyrie will likely be retired.
04:36So just factor that in.
04:38We'll kind of simmer this down to the basics of this year, next year with draft picks.
04:42Number two on the list is Houston.
04:44Makes a lot of sense for Minnesota, by the way.
04:46Minnesota!
04:47A ton of sense, absolutely.
04:50So the Rockets had the second-worst per-play half-court offense in the playoffs, right?
04:5619th in the regular season.
04:58Kyrie would obviously help their half-court, but they're a team.
05:02We know Durant, if he stays, hates the rest of their roster with the leaked, with the burner account.
05:07He loves Kyrie.
05:08Now, the thing is, they have the resources to pursue Giannis without gutting the rest of the team.
05:15So, if the price is low enough, they're an asset-rich team.
05:19They can afford to be picky, and they can afford to get him if they really wanted to.
05:23They're deep.
05:24Houston's got, like, a lot of young, talented players.
05:27Number three on the list is another team I think Bobby mentioned, or I was mentioning yesterday,
05:32maybe it was Sean, it was Detroit.
05:34Oh, yeah, you mentioned Detroit.
05:35Yeah, because Tobias Harris is the number two right now, or at least was during the playoffs.
05:40Now, that's the problem, because their easiest salary-matching contracts are Tobias Harris and Kevin Herter.
05:46I think it's Herter.
05:47And they, you know, I'm sorry, they have both expired.
05:51Duncan Robinson, Isaiah Stewart, foundational role players.
05:55So they have a little bit of wiggle room and the ability to come get Kyrie.
06:02Now, also, if you're the match, like, do you want to send him east?
06:05Would you prefer to send him to the east as opposed to sending him to Houston or Minnesota?
06:09It doesn't matter.
06:10That feels like it matters the least to me in any sport would be the NBA.
06:14I'm not competing with Houston.
06:15I don't think.
06:16Not right now, yeah.
06:16I'm not competing with the Wolves next year and probably not the year after, or definitely not next year.
06:21Number four is Milwaukee.
06:23And the strategy here would be to trade the 20, 31, and or 33 first-round pick, but hold on
06:29to number 10, which they have this year.
06:30They have the 10th pick this year, which they could use on a cheap rookie.
06:34But this would also be determined based off of what they do with Giannis and his willingness to extend his
06:41contract.
06:42Yeah.
06:42I mean, basically, this boils down to Giannis, if we trade for Kyrie, will you stay?
06:46Yeah.
06:47That's what it is.
06:47And I don't see that happening.
06:51Milwaukee doesn't make sense.
06:52Giannis is going to be moved.
06:53And then number five is Toronto.
06:55And I don't know that Kyrie would really kind of accept a deal to Toronto.
07:00Why?
07:01Why'd you say that last night?
07:03It doesn't feel like he would want to go there.
07:06I don't think they're all that close to winning at all.
07:09Oh, I thought you meant the city.
07:11I was like, the city seems like a good fit for him.
07:13I mean, it's great if you just like a colder Detroit.
07:18Oh, I've never heard Toronto insulted like Detroit.
07:23Big Ralph told me that.
07:25He used to go to Toronto a lot.
07:26He goes, what's Toronto like?
07:27He goes, he's like Detroit.
07:28I thought this was a...
07:30Never mind.
07:31I'll keep it to myself.
07:32Oh, I mean, yes.
07:32I mean, there's that.
07:33But fortunately, that's Ottawa.
07:35That's where you are.
07:35Everyone has hated.
07:36Everyone has loved Toronto.
07:38Amazing.
07:39They say amazing strip clubs.
07:40Or is that Tampa?
07:41That's Montreal.
07:42Montreal, okay.
07:42That's Montreal.
07:42Amazing strip clubs.
07:43So, yeah.
07:44I mean, if it was Toronto, that would 100% be the way that when Masai Ujiri got hired,
07:50everybody immediately went, Jakob Pertl incoming to the Dallas Maverick, whatever.
07:53Don't know how it's going to happen, but Jakob Pertl will end up there because nobody loves
07:57him more than Masai Ujiri does.
07:58Minnesota.
07:59I love their desperation.
08:02That's the one.
08:03They're the most desperate.
08:04They're probably willing to overpay the most.
08:06They have to push it over the top.
08:08And, like, the question is, like, do you want back Randall and DiVincenzo?
08:14You know what I mean?
08:15Like, Randall would probably want to be here.
08:17Or are you just on the picks?
08:20Just stockpile picks?
08:21Oh, we start with the picks.
08:22Yeah.
08:23And then, you know, we kind of...
08:25Julius Randall's a nice player.
08:26Mm-hmm.
08:27You know, DiVincenzo, he can be a little role player for you, but we start with all those
08:32selections.
08:32So, there it is.
08:33The Kyrie possibilities.
08:34All right.
08:35Guess what Masai will do with it?
08:38We know.
08:38I mean, I know what the smart thing to do is.
08:42It's a no-brainer to me to trade him.
08:44I think he's going to trade him.
08:45He will trade him in the middle of the season.
08:48He will.
08:48He'll come back, and he'll play a little bit here, and then they'll trade him.
08:50That's the smart thing to do, I think.
08:52I don't think that is the smart thing to do.
08:54You're right.
08:54He might get hurt in the first half.
08:56Or he might be slow and ruin his value.
08:59The element of surprise to trade him now.
09:01So, if he doesn't, then I feel a lot worse about...
09:04And don't we want to...
09:05Like, is this...
09:06Don't you want to see...
09:08Has to happen before the draft?
09:10I mean, if you're...
09:11Are we just eliminating players being traded before this NBA draft?
09:14If you're hell-bent on getting a pick this year, or do you want to space it out?
09:18You want this draft?
09:19Yeah, I would.
09:20Because, I mean, let's just say it's Minnesota.
09:22Or Milwaukee, right?
09:23Milwaukee with the 10th pick.
09:25I would want that.
09:26Right?
09:26I would want three first-round picks this year.
09:28Next year, you don't know what the draft is going to be like.
09:31Now, I guess you could sit here and say, well, if it's Minnesota, what happens if there's
09:35an injury and they're automatically in the lottery?
09:37Okay, that's cool.
09:39Why?
09:40I was just going to say, I think it's similar to the Anthony Davis question, though, that
09:43existed, where it's like, well, why would you give people an opportunity to see him
09:46potentially get hurt or do other things?
09:47I was like, well, they're going to think the same thing on the flip side.
09:49Like, I want to see him play and not get hurt.
09:51I want to see him play and see that he's back before I go invest in it.
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