00:00Hey, it's Lance Reisland of 92.3 The Fan in Cleveland.
00:02Hey, I'm here. I'm here. What's going on, guys?
00:04Living the dream. How about yourself?
00:06I'm loving it. I'm not going to come in quite as hot as Spencer did when he got here today.
00:09It came in hot when I was driving home today.
00:12Entrance was hot, so come in a little calm.
00:14Now, Spensito got the spicy garlic parm wings.
00:19I got the sweet chili.
00:21Are we eyeballing wings today?
00:23Oh, absolutely.
00:23You've got to fuel up for the mock draft, right?
00:25Yeah, the sweet chili sounds good. I'm going to take a look.
00:26I didn't look yet, but I will do a scouting report here next break for sure.
00:31Oh, I like that.
00:32Scouting report. He scouts football players and wings.
00:35Oh, absolutely.
00:35I just scout wings.
00:37What'd you go with? What'd you go with? What's your go-to?
00:39Sweet chili.
00:40Actually, you know what I've been on recently?
00:43There's like a spicy peach flavor that's out there.
00:48And I got to tell you, I'm not a big peach guy, although peach crown.
00:51Come on, guys. What are we doing here?
00:52I mean, is that like pineapple on pizza?
00:55Coach, do we have to step outside?
00:56If you're going to be smirching wing flavors, you and I are going to have to.
01:00I know you're an all-time nice guy, but I will fight over this.
01:02I got you. I got you.
01:03I don't know if I want to mess with Coach, though.
01:05I think I could take him.
01:06Coaches are crazy, though.
01:07Yeah, but he's a quarterback.
01:08Listen, we've all seen...
01:09It's a long time ago.
01:10We've all seen Lance...
01:11I've heard they don't like to get hit.
01:13We've all seen Lance buttoned up and like all nice and on his best behavior.
01:17But listen, if he was a football coach, for as long as he was a football coach,
01:20you know that he's got something crazy in there.
01:22Yeah, you've got to leave those days behind, though, a little bit.
01:24There's some crazy in there.
01:24All right, here's the thing.
01:25I've heard stories.
01:26You've told me stories about your wife having to calm you down.
01:28I've heard some things.
01:29I've had some issues.
01:30I've heard some things.
01:30Here's the thing.
01:31If you and I fight in a telephone booth, I got a chance.
01:34If there's any way you can tire me out...
01:37We need a time limit.
01:37We need an immediate time limit.
01:39Like, if you can go even five feet away from me, well, I will exhaust myself getting to you.
01:45Play the long game?
01:46Just play the long game.
01:47All right.
01:49That's actually half of the threat I have with my kids now.
01:51If I have to come get you, it's going to be worse, because I'm going to have to walk
01:55over there, and I don't want to do that.
01:57I'm sitting in this chair for a reason.
01:59I understand that completely.
02:00All right.
02:00So we were just talking about, you know, the safe pick at six earlier in the show.
02:05And so Spencer asked what I think is a fair question.
02:08I don't think there's just one safe pick.
02:11But I think if we get under the umbrella of safer picks, I think Carnell Tate's there.
02:16Do you agree that Carnell is or isn't a safe pick?
02:19Well, I think he's a safe pick.
02:20I don't like safe at six.
02:22I don't.
02:22I've never liked safe at six.
02:23I like guys who make a difference.
02:25And I think Carnell Tate can.
02:27But when I'm at six, I'm looking for, with Munkin, I'm looking for a weapon.
02:31And I'm not looking for a receiver or a running back.
02:33I'm looking for a guy who can make it easy on the offense, right?
02:36A guy who, when he gets it, the other ten don't have to be perfect.
02:39And that's what it's been for, you know, it feels so hard.
02:42The offense feels so hard and drudgery when you're watching it.
02:45Be nice if somebody can break a play, you know.
02:47And when I think of Carnell Tate, it's still an outside receiver who's legit.
02:50But you've got to have good pass protection.
02:52You've got to have a little bit of a run game.
02:54You've got to have a well-thrown ball.
02:55If you get a guy who can touch a little bit, those things can go away, right?
02:59You can miss an end.
03:01You can, you know, the quarterback doesn't have to throw it as far.
03:03But in terms of a guy who, that being said, I think Carnell Tate's going to be an outstanding pro.
03:08But if I'm at six and Jeremiah Love's there, I'm jumping all over it.
03:11So, because we will get to the Jeremiah Love thing.
03:14So, if Carnell Tate was Tett McMillan, right?
03:18I don't think Tett McMillan's going to be a top ten receiver.
03:21I think he's going to be somewhere between the 11th best receiver and 25th best receiver.
03:25I still think that's more valuable than the best running back you have in the NFL, no?
03:31Well, Aiden, here's the thing.
03:32I don't think of, I think this is a special guy.
03:35And I don't think of him as a running back.
03:36And I think of him as a touch guy.
03:37And everybody's like semantics, semantics, semantics.
03:40I really don't think so in this offense.
03:41Now, if it was Kevin Stefanski's structure, we're going to be wide zone.
03:45Ten guys have to be, all 11 have to be really good.
03:48That's not the case.
03:49So, if you get a guy in space touching the ball, he can be very good.
03:52So, though I think he's a running back by name only, this is a guy who can split out.
03:58This is a guy I've seen run routes from the slot.
04:00This is a guy you can motion out.
04:01And when you're talking matchups, this is a guy that can do all that from different spots.
04:05And that's what Munkin does well.
04:06I think you bring up a good point with, like, Kevin Stefanski's offense versus Munkin's
04:10and what Munkin's priest just about, like, wanting to score points in any way possible.
04:15I think that's well said in terms of, like, not seen position.
04:18So, I like where your head's at with that when it comes to somebody like Jeremiah Love.
04:22It's still a running back.
04:23Yeah, but here's the thing.
04:24Like, for instance, Christian McCaffrey.
04:27Yeah.
04:27Do I think he has more impact on winning than a typical running back?
04:32Even, like, a dual-purpose running back, a guy that can catch out of the backfield
04:35but can't go line up on the line of scrimmage.
04:38Yes.
04:39Is it still, like, is the most impactful version of Christian McCaffrey more impactful than T. Higgins?
04:45And that's more of a question.
04:47Like, I would say no.
04:49But, again, I think it's at least a good conversation.
04:52Well, I think to go off of that, like, I guess I would just ask,
04:55if you're building an offense from scratch,
04:58would you rather start it with T. Higgins
05:01or would you rather start it with Christian McCaffrey?
05:02I'd rather start it with T. Higgins.
05:05For me, you know, so I don't think of him as Christian McCaffrey.
05:07I think of him more as Marshall Falk, right?
05:09And what I mean by that is that a guy who –
05:11That's a good name point, though.
05:12So, that's exactly what I like.
05:13We use Christian McCaffrey because that's what Andrew Barry said today.
05:16Okay.
05:16In comparing him.
05:17I'm showing my age a little bit here.
05:19Greatest show on turf, right?
05:20I've heard people say Marshall Falk.
05:21And what I mean by that is he's not just a guy out of the backfield,
05:24a guy you put in the slot.
05:24This is a guy that can run legit routes.
05:26And what I always like, if you're in a structured offense,
05:29these kind of guys become gadget guys, right?
05:31Because that's not built into a structured offense.
05:33Now when you have a guy who is a space guy,
05:36now you're talking pace and space.
05:37I don't care where I line up.
05:38I'm going to find a matchup.
05:40And the interview that I liked with Munkin is when he said,
05:43what are you guys going to do schematically?
05:44And he said, I'm going to score more points.
05:45And you and I were talking about Monday.
05:47That's what I like because that means I'm going to find a matchup.
05:49I'm going to do what Munkin did to the Browns, right?
05:51I'm going to trap them.
05:52I'm going to run crunch.
05:53I'm going to run things against this aggressive front.
05:56I'm going to make the linebackers cover.
05:58I'm going to make the safeties cover.
05:59I'm going to stay away from Denzel Ward and Tyson.
06:02So I think that's, in this offense, for me, that's why I like Jeremiah Love.
06:06In their old offense, I don't because it's a traditional dot-the-eye tailback.
06:09This is a touch space guy.
06:11All right.
06:11So we talked about this earlier.
06:13I'm going to give you three names that I'd said.
06:15Ben Solak wrote this big write-up on how the Browns can crush this draft, and he did it for
06:22all 32 teams.
06:23And I'm going to put definitions on it.
06:25I'm going to say Carnell at six.
06:27I'm going to say Caleb Lomu at 24.
06:29And then Ihan Chor at 39.
06:33So I get my starting left tackle.
06:34I get my starting future right tackle.
06:36And I get an immediate plug-and-play top two receiver.
06:39That, to me, is crushing the draft.
06:42We'll just do the first three picks.
06:43You can put names on it, or you can go kind of positional outlook.
06:46What does crushing the draft look like for the Cleveland Browns?
06:49Well, first, with pick six, I am figuring out a way to get a guy who's a weapon.
06:53So for me, that would be love, right?
06:55I like Tate, though.
06:55I mean, I do.
06:56I think Carnell Tate's solid there.
06:58I think I like him more.
06:58But I want the ceiling.
07:01I don't want floor.
07:02I think a guy who can change the game.
07:04Real quick, I was going to say, I know early on in this process,
07:06you were on the Caleb Downs thing.
07:09Are you at a point right now where, like, if both those guys are available,
07:12you would take love over Downs?
07:13No, I would take Caleb Downs.
07:14You would take Caleb Downs over love?
07:16Absolutely.
07:17I like guys.
07:18When I think of guys who change the narrative of a football game,
07:21I don't look at my roster.
07:22And I'm looking for guys who, when I watch film, and once again,
07:25when people go, you don't understand roster construction.
07:27That's all true.
07:27I just know when I watch the film, and when I watch the film,
07:31I want the guy who's the best player.
07:33In the last two years, I've watched more film than I probably should admit.
07:37Caleb Downs is the best football player I've ever watched.
07:38So I'm stacking talent.
07:40I'm sorry to interrupt you.
07:42No, no, no worries.
07:42You're a dream draft.
07:43It doesn't seem like he's really sorry at all.
07:45It seems like he did that within 10, yeah.
07:47We've known each other a while, all right?
07:49It's all right.
07:49So I would take, so if love is there, I'm taking love at.
07:54No, let's go this.
07:55I'm taking Downs.
07:56If we're going what I want, I'm taking Downs at six.
07:58I'm taking Makai Lemon, who's my number one space guy, at 24.
08:03And at 39, I'm taking Iheanacho, because I think he's a super talent.
08:07So it's funny.
08:07We've had a few conversations on him.
08:09And I get the new-to-football thing.
08:13And I also get, like, Brian Baldinger put it perfectly.
08:15Like, you can look at 20 plays.
08:18He's awesome.
08:18And 15 of them are going to be, oh, my God, this is your guy.
08:22And the five are what scare you.
08:25And I actually had somebody who was pretty good with the offensive line tell me when he
08:29texted me about Iheanachor.
08:31Or Iheanachor.
08:33I'm going to say it right.
08:34You started throwing me off.
08:36It's Iheanachor?
08:38Iheanachor.
08:38Yeah.
08:39It's not Iheanachor?
08:40Iheanachor.
08:41Iheanachor.
08:41Okay.
08:42I've got to get that right.
08:42I've been wrong.
08:43I've said his name wrong 4,000 times.
08:46All right.
08:46No, no.
08:47JP has become the grammar Nazi of NFL names.
08:50And so he's leading you to a better way.
08:52Maybe we should ask Max, since he knows everything there is to know about every college football
08:55play.
08:55All right.
08:55No, we're laying on the plate on this.
08:57But I do think the way he described it to me, this ball knower that I was texting with,
09:04that, you know, with Iheanachor, you could get, you know, three months in and, oh, my God,
09:09he's ready now and he's a star.
09:11You could also get three months in and go, oh, he might not start this year.
09:15He might not start next year.
09:16And so, like, basically, high upside, incredibly low floor.
09:20Do you agree with that assessment?
09:21Yeah.
09:22If I have one, the film I watch on him, there's the definite wow, right?
09:26His ability.
09:27And for me, offensive line play.
09:28First of all, I deal, when I do offensive line, I never try to step over my bounds because
09:32that's a unique position.
09:34And I always kind of rely on guys who have done it.
09:36And so, Iheanachor, to me, is a guy he's liked.
09:39He's a big guy, but he plays light.
09:43You said the same about me.
09:44But there's some lower body functional strength issues.
09:49Same.
09:51So, guys who are.
09:52And upper body strength issues, too.
09:54Mid-body.
09:56So, when you talk about a guy who's, when they say that, that's a great way to say it.
10:02Because 15, it's about right.
10:03You watch 15 plays, you're like, this is a guy.
10:04And then there's five where he'll go against a guy who goes from speed to power, and he
10:08gets bull rushed.
10:09And then there's time where he's not stepping with the correct foot.
10:12And those are all, but for me, all the things he messes up are functional.
10:15And those can be fixed.
10:16He's a superior athlete who's laid on his feet.
10:18On the subject of the tackles, I know we asked Brian Baldinger about this earlier, but how
10:25difficult, Lance, is it for a guy who's played primarily right tackle, even if it was left
10:31tackle making the switch to the other side, to make that jump?
10:33Because it seems like Andrew Barry and the Browns give off a sense that that doesn't bother
10:37them.
10:38They just see a tackle as a tackle.
10:40But we also know there's examples of guys, especially here in Cleveland, that haven't been
10:45able to make that switch.
10:46So in putting it maybe more in perspective, how difficult is that switch to make for a
10:52guy?
10:52Well, I think it's difficult for a guy who's a tackle his whole life.
10:55So if you look at a guy who, like a DeJuan Jones, he's 383, you know, he's got to get
10:59down.
11:00The guys who they're looking for, they're guys like the Iowa tackles that go to Iowa
11:05at 6'6", 240, and then they grow into their bodies, and they still have those light feet.
11:09Those kind of guys really transition well from right to left tackle or left to right tackle.
11:14That's the kind of guy they're looking for.
11:15But it's not always, it's not a perfect science, and guys have struggled with that.
11:18I thought DeJuan Jones with his basketball background, that would be a much better transition.
11:22But if you look at him at the right side when he kicks, it's a lot different from the left
11:27to right side.
11:27Some guys, it's not different.
11:29So it depends on what type of guy you like.
11:32I always like the guys that have to keep their weight up.
11:34I never like guys who have to bring it down.
11:35Because it's hard for those guys.
11:36I'm right here.
11:37I'm right here.
11:38Coach, great stuff, buddy.
11:39Appreciate you.
11:40Absolutely.
11:41Thanks for having me.
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