00:00I'm pretty decent, I feel like, at reading people,
00:02but when I heard that, it was almost kind of like a,
00:07oh yeah, I have to go to him type thing,
00:09as if Deion's a big shot, I gotta see him on his commercial shoot.
00:13I don't think he was trying to weasel into it,
00:15almost like a, I have to visit him on his time
00:18if we want to make this thing done,
00:19which then is obviously kind of insane, all things considered.
00:24I'm gonna say this as respectfully as possible.
00:28If Deion Sanders wants to talk to Todd Munkin about his kid,
00:33Deion's gotta come to Todd Munkin.
00:34Deion can bring his ass to Cleveland.
00:36But I think that's what, that was my read on it with Munkin,
00:38was that, that's kind of what he was saying there,
00:39is like, oh we, yeah, we, did he even say we talked
00:42or tried to line up something and then he was at a commercial?
00:44Yeah.
00:44Is that kind of what he was saying?
00:45Yeah, they were supposed to get together and then had to cancel.
00:47And so, like, I don't know, I just, like, if you're Deion,
00:51if you really want this meeting to happen, sorry,
00:53you gotta be the one out there making the hard work happen.
00:56You gotta be the one putting in the air miles.
00:58You gotta be the one staying in the hotel.
00:59Todd Munkin's the head coach.
01:01He's not coming to you.
01:02Todd would be doing you a favor,
01:03as much as I know everyone looks at it like,
01:05as if Deion would be helping out Munkin
01:09because it would somehow make Shador a better quarterback.
01:11The reality is, is that Todd entertaining Deion in this fashion
01:15is in fact Todd doing a favor to Deion.
01:18Correct.
01:19What is this?
01:20Peewee football?
01:21High school football?
01:22I don't know what's going on.
01:23Daddy's gotta go talk to the head coach to have his son's back?
01:27I feel like if everyone really truthfully thought
01:32that there was value to be had
01:34with Deion teaching something, anything to Todd Munkin, right?
01:39With all due respect.
01:40Then he would have done it, though.
01:41Well, that's the point.
01:42He would have done it.
01:43It's not even with an all due respect.
01:44Like, he would have done it.
01:45If you legitimately thought, if both sides legitimately thought
01:48that they could help each other out in this capacity,
01:51a meeting between the two minds would help out,
01:54then they would have already done it.
01:55It'd be something that teams do every, I don't know, March or February.
01:59It'd be on the docket.
02:01Like, this would be something that would consistently have.
02:03You know how much money the NFL spends?
02:05And how many people in power?
02:06How much people in power spend?
02:08So much resources towards finding that little edge,
02:12that little thing that makes and breaks the difference.
02:14They would be doing it already.
02:17Every time people in Shadour's family open their mouths,
02:20it does nothing but hurt Shadour.
02:23That's what I've, this is just my opinion, my observation.
02:26Okay.
02:27Yeah.
02:28It hurt last year leading up to the draft.
02:31That did, yes.
02:32Hurt after the draft.
02:35Certainly has hurt this offseason.
02:37It creates unnecessary, listen.
02:40I mean, the Shiloh stuff was ridiculous.
02:41Yeah, Shadour Sanders has enough on his plate right now trying to win this job.
02:46Okay?
02:47Because it's not going to be handed to him, nor should it be.
02:50But he's learning a new offense.
02:52He's trying to fix the holes that were shown to be in his game last year
02:57when he got thrust into the situation that he did at the end of the season.
03:03Like, life is hard enough on this kid, as it is.
03:07Why do you have to go make it harder?
03:09And I know, I think that Deion believes that he's making it easier on Shadour by,
03:14hey, I'm going to show you the things as his coach, not his dad,
03:17which I don't know how you separate those two.
03:19But as his coach, I'm going to show you, here's how you make my son successful.
03:22As if Todd Munkin, who's been in the NFL for like three decades,
03:25wouldn't know what the hell to do with Shadour Sanders.
03:28Do you know how patronizing and insulting, if I were Todd Munkin,
03:35I would honestly feel a little insulted.
03:40Now, if you want to email me some game clips or whatever and say,
03:43hey, here's this play we ran for Shadour, Colorado, it was very, very successful.
03:48That's one thing.
03:49But if I've got to fly to go see you, or even if you've got to fly to come see
03:54me.
03:54You just can't ask Munkin to be the one to fly.
03:55I know. I just, I don't, I don't see the benefit of Deion Sanders talking to Todd Munkin.
04:02I just, I don't.
04:03I don't think it can hurt.
04:05I just don't think that it's that great that it has to be this type of ordeal.
04:09I respect.
04:11Because if it was that great, they would have already done it.
04:13I respect Deion in two ways here, okay?
04:16Because I don't want it to come off like I'm just ripping Deion a new one.
04:19Because that's not what I'm doing here, okay?
04:21I respect the success that Deion had as a player.
04:26I loved Deion Sanders growing up.
04:28I did.
04:29I loved watching him.
04:30Yeah, there's an acknowledgement there that he's just not any old D1 football coach.
04:33Yeah, he's just not.
04:35It's one of the game's great.
04:36Right.
04:37So there's that element.
04:38I also respect and acknowledge the success he's had as a coach.
04:44I do sometimes feel like maybe he was a little too much of a dad to his kids at times.
04:51Like protecting them and things like that and not maybe giving them the what, you know, the...
04:57I won't fault him for that necessarily.
04:59That's such a hard line to traverse.
05:01All parents do it.
05:02I believe Deion has really good intentions with this.
05:05And that I think is the most important part of that.
05:07A hundred percent.
05:08And that's what I'm trying to get at.
05:09Like, I believe his intentions here are pure, okay?
05:12He wants to be a good dad to his son and help his kid out.
05:16Maybe he sees some things that we don't as far as like his son struggling with some things
05:20or maybe some concepts when he went back and watched some of those games last year, whatever.
05:24Maybe he's seeing some practice film and seeing some things that, right?
05:28He wants to help him, right?
05:30I get all of that.
05:32But I just, I worry.
05:33My fear is that you do more harm than good.
05:36You mean well.
05:37I get it.
05:38You mean well.
05:39I get it.
05:40And it's not, I'm going to take it to an extreme here.
05:43It's not the 23-year-old that goes and interviews at a job and then the parent shows up in
05:48the
05:48job interview process and you're away.
05:50Because that's a thing now.
05:51It happens way more often than people want to discuss.
05:54The parents showing up to these job interviews.
05:56And it's like, I would instantly not hire somebody if they did that.
06:00It's not that.
06:01It's not, there's, I don't think it's that same world that we're living in, but it's also
06:06just a little bit much for myself.
06:09I just think, let Shadour be.
06:12But on that, Mary Kay reported today, Deshaun Watson's Clemson's coach, Dabo, watched OTA
06:17number nine at Browns today with his staffers and talked to Todd Munkin and assistants.
06:21Why was Dabo Sweeney there?
06:23Like, is this going to be, does Dabo think, or does Deshaun think he's in like an arms race
06:27versus college head coaches to try to, my college head coach can discuss things with
06:31you too?
06:32Well, what's Markin going to say?
06:33Do you still think he's the Michael Jordan of football?
06:36Is that what you, do you think that's Sweeney?
06:37Like, I, I, I don't, this has not been a thing across NFL history.
06:42Yes, some coaches have met with head coaches, some D1 coaches have met with head coaches.
06:46It has happened before.
06:47Nick Saban's met with all sorts of different people, but it is not a, it's not a constant
06:51throughout the NFL.
06:52Yeah.
06:53I thought I read somewhere and if I'm mistaken, I apologize, but I could have swore I read somewhere
06:58that the Houston Texans went to Clemson to just kind of figure out, Hey, what can we
07:03do to help Deshaun here?
07:04Uh, get, you know, get his career off the ground and get this, this boat rowing in the
07:09right direction.
07:10That does happen and that's okay.
07:11That's fine.
07:12And maybe that's the whole thing.
07:13And even within that, uh, I've, the Browns have hosted numerous Colorado assistants.
07:19Yes.
07:19In order to, and there's a, there's a whole partnership attached to them.
07:23Or do they always wear all Colorado stuff all day?
07:25They're pretty easy to spot.
07:26Yeah, but there, there's like a constant presence of that.
07:29And that's like, there's, there's an, there's a relationship there between Colorado and the
07:32Browns that is existing now that I think is working in good partnership and good concert
07:36for both.
07:37Yeah.
07:38I, like I said, and I said, good concert is if I'm like a part of the Browns, see what
07:41happens there.
07:42I just worry that sometimes you can just do more harm than good in these types of situations.
07:49I hope I'm wrong.
07:50I hope I'm wrong.
07:51I think this being a story as much as it has been has done the more harm than good.
07:54I, I feel like if we never hear anything about it from down from Munkin saying that
07:58he had to fly out or would have had to fly out to meet Dion, but if Dion wants to
08:02come
08:02here, then great all the way down to the initial conversation about it all to begin with, begin
08:06with like, this shouldn't be this big of a deal.
08:09Well, but ultimately where I stand on it, Daryl is I don't, if it were to make or break
08:13the chances for Shador to get the job, then Dion should have already been there.
08:17Yeah.
08:17If it was that important and it would have been something that would have tipped the
08:21scales in Shador's favor, if they'd had this all knowing, all powerful meeting, well
08:27then Dion, you probably should have already had the meeting.
08:29Yeah.
08:29You really fundamentally believed it was going to be the difference between him getting the
08:33job and not.
08:34And that was going to matter that much should have happened two weeks, two weeks ago or
08:37two months ago, two months ago.
08:39It should have happened before Deshaun Watson ever even threw a football around the Browns.
08:42It should have happened long before they took the field in the off.
08:46Exactly right.
08:47It should have happened in the very beginning part of this when Munkin got there.
08:51Yeah.
08:52Like I just, if you really thought, I don't know how much value is in this meeting.
08:56That's probably why it hasn't happened yet.
08:57The reality is it probably hasn't happened because both sides understand there really isn't that
09:01much that you can gain from doing it.
09:03But if Dion really believed that his kid was going to get the job or not, and it was going
09:07to be the difference between him getting the job or not, dare I say, shame on you, Dion,
09:12for not doing this soon enough, for not getting out there and making the time for Todd Munkin.
09:15And then there's part of me that Dion is, Dion's the ultimate showman.
09:19And that, that's a compliment.
09:21Like he, he knows how to work the media.
09:24He knows how to build programs.
09:27He's like, he's the ultimate showman, right?
09:30And I kind of feel like he's doing a little showman thing here.
09:33And that's, that's what concerns me because Shador doesn't need any showman nonsense right
09:39now.
09:40Shador needs a support system right now.
09:42That's what he needs.
09:43And yeah, if you're going to meet with Todd and you want to go over schemes that are going
09:47to help Shador be a more successful NFL quarterback, fine.
09:52I'm all for whatever it takes to help Shador Sanders be successful, right?
09:58Can we leave the showmanship out of it?
10:02That's, that's where I'm at with it.
10:04You're going to meet?
10:04Fine.
10:04Then go meet.
10:05We don't all need to like know about this.
10:07We don't need a play-by-play as it's happening.
10:09Although we don't.
10:09No, hang on.
10:10Although I do want the play-by-play it's happening.
10:12I mean, I'll take it.
10:13We don't need it, but I'll take it.
10:15Right.
10:16And so, you know, to what you were saying, this should have already happened.
10:20If it was that important, it would have.
10:21That's what Todd, Todd Munkin already drew up the offense.
10:23Again, if it was that important, it would have.
10:26They're, they're installing the offense now.
10:28Dion not being there already is telling everybody it's not really that important.
10:33The meeting itself is not really that important.
10:35It's so that he can say, I met with Todd Munkin about my son.
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