00:00Now, some new information has come to light since the Vikings have signed Carson Wentz.
00:06And we were actually going to do this because it happened at the 6 o'clock hour,
00:08and then the Browns put that stupid rule forth, that stupid rule proposal
00:13that is just going to wreck this franchise if they let it happen,
00:15at which point the NFL just might let it happen because they're still pissed about the Deshaun debacle.
00:20Now, this being said, Alec Lewis of The Athletic,
00:25well before Carson Wentz re-signed in Minnesota,
00:29hypothesized that since the Kyler Murray move, because Kevin O'Connell has said
00:33this was the only move they could see being a multi-year move,
00:36that the Vikings could still look to trade J.J. McCarthy.
00:41And the conversation has to be had because I think J.J. McCarthy, as a prospect,
00:47is somehow more interesting to me than like Carson back in the fourth round.
00:50Yeah, I don't understand what the Vikings' process was.
00:53I'll just say it's a really bad one.
00:55If like J.J. McCarthy, 10 starts, you're taking him 10th overall,
00:59and then 10 starts, we're just abandoning on quarterbacks?
01:02Like I'm very quick to move off of things.
01:05Sometimes I feel like in life we act like everything's your 401K,
01:08and it just takes a lot of time.
01:10This doesn't.
01:11Like this is the type of thing you give more space than 10 games for.
01:15So I think it's in the same conversation as Anthony Richardson.
01:20J.J. has better stats.
01:22I will say that.
01:23They're not remarkably better stats,
01:26but I think he had like a 60% completion or somewhere in there last year.
01:29When you looked at all the different Shador stuff,
01:31the one name, the one reputable name that was next to Shador
01:34and basically everything was J.J. McCarthy.
01:36Yes.
01:37And listen, I think they are similar players
01:40in that I think they are gritty-ass gamers
01:44who I do think make plays.
01:46They're not always good plays.
01:48I do want to know the price.
01:49I think that's kind of a big thing right now
01:51is what's the price for J.J. McCarthy.
01:53It's a big factor in it because I'm not wildly invested
01:55in the idea that he's actually going to win the battle.
01:56I would also say I agree, by the way,
01:59but I think he's at least a worthy adversary.
02:01Like, J.J. McCarthy versus Shador gives me more juice
02:06than Shador versus Tanner McKee or Shador versus Deshaun Watson.
02:10So we'll take that.
02:12But the price does matter here.
02:14Like, Brandon Little of A to Z Sports here in Cleveland
02:17had McCarthy in a seventh to Cleveland for fifth and sixth round picks.
02:23I don't necessarily love it at that price,
02:26but if you said that or like a similar trade for Anthony Richardson,
02:30I'd actually choose McCarthy, one of its style of play.
02:33I do think J.J. McCarthy is more of a pocket quarterback,
02:37even though I think people look at Anthony Richardson
02:39as more of a true boom kind of prospect.
02:43But I like the fact that McCarthy's a little bit more pocket ready now.
02:48I also like the fact you'd get him for two years instead of one year.
02:53Before you have to make the fifth-year option decision,
02:56I like the extra time in this case
02:58because I think it would give you more time if he's okay
03:01or he and Shador are okay next year
03:03and you're outside of the spot to take a quarterback,
03:06you could at least talk about rolling that forward
03:08and have some continuity in that quarterback.
03:09I mean, you've got to go with the idea that
03:12you're not going to get anything out of him.
03:13And if you do, then it's because the Vikings gave up on him too quick.
03:17And that's an okay thing to live with.
03:18I hated even coming out of college.
03:21It's like the nicest things anybody could say about J.J. McCarthy
03:23was that, oh, he's a winner.
03:25It's like, I don't really care about that
03:27because that doesn't translate to the NFL at all.
03:28Like, congratulations, you won a lot of games in Michigan.
03:30That's not something I can really latch on to.
03:33Like, any time you had anything like a, what's his best trait?
03:36It was really hard for people to come up with things for J.J. McCarthy
03:38outside of things like, you know, a gamer, different things like that.
03:42And it's like, well, I can't quantify that.
03:44Like, give me the traits.
03:44Give me something that really, really works.
03:46That being said, I just don't think throwing guys away
03:49after 10 games is a smart process.
03:51I think Minnesota fumbled this in a big-time way,
03:53if that's what they, in fact, do.
03:55So, in more than one way.
03:56One, I think it's very interesting who their old GM used to be,
04:00Cuesi Adolfo Mensa, who we know has a relationship with our guy,
04:05Andrew Barry.
04:05So, that's nice.
04:06Yeah.
04:07So, there's like a plausible link there of,
04:10I'm going to assume that Cuesi has said nice things about J.J. to Andrew
04:14and that they might see it simpatico.
04:16Here's the other thing.
04:18Kevin O'Connell gets a pass for whatever happens in that room
04:22because he's done enough with other quarterbacks to look really, really smart.
04:27And that is fair.
04:28Like, I think he deserves a benefit of the doubt
04:31that Kevin Stefanski got and didn't.
04:35That being said, if you look at the situation that J.J. McCarthy
04:39was put in last year, I don't know that's the offense that you run
04:43for that specific player.
04:46And I do think there was a little bit of trying to put a square peg
04:50in a round hole with J.J. into his offense.
04:54And I might trust Munkin the Maximizer to actually build
04:58what I think is the right offense, which is a power run offense
05:02where J.J. early on doesn't throw more than 25 to 30 times a game.
05:05I mean, that's why I don't know that Munkin's going to be the guy for that
05:07only because Munkin's going to try to go vertical
05:09and Munkin's going to...
05:10Like, what you need with J.J. McCarthy
05:11and what he's basically been and what he thought he would be in the NFL
05:15as a game manager.
05:16I mean, that's what he was in college in many respects.
05:18And so, honestly, like, we talked about Jalen Hurts a lot today,
05:21but he needed a place like Philadelphia.
05:23That's like the ideal setup for someone like J.J. McCarthy
05:26to actually have success in the NFL.
05:29216-474-0092.
05:32So, a very respected reporter out of Minnesota, Alec Lewis of The Athletic,
05:38has said that, and I think it now has more air to it,
05:41that Carson Wentz has re-signed.
05:42I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Vikings aren't going to carry
05:44three quarterbacks this year.
05:46It's the same reason why yesterday the Tanner McKee conversation happened.
05:49I mean, they might.
05:50When they traded it.
05:51I think they just don't want to...
05:52I think they want to be done and out of the Max Brosmer business
05:54is I think kind of what this signaled to me.
05:56Well, but how many teams actually carry three quarterbacks
05:59and certainly carry two veteran quarterbacks
06:01in front of a young quarterback that they draft?
06:03You get two on game day, and then you have one that is on the roster,
06:07but obviously used more for practice squad stuff
06:09and everything else in between.
06:09Usually the third guy is like a Max Brosmer.
06:12We're really the only place that brings three miserable veteran quarterbacks here.
06:15And in some years, we bring four.
06:19But I think that, to me, it's signaled more about Max Brosmer
06:22than it did anything else.
06:22Because Max Brosmer actually had a play in games last year.
06:24And I think Kevin O'Connell wants to do everything in his power
06:26to make sure that doesn't happen again.
06:28Those games were awful to watch.
06:29I think if everything that we've heard about Cuesi Adolfo Mensah
06:33pushing J.J. McCarthy on Kevin O'Connell, if that's true,
06:38and Kevin O'Connell really does look at Kyler and say,
06:41that's a multi-year kind of guy there,
06:44I think J.J. McCarthy is probably more available
06:47than what people think.
06:50And then I think it becomes, if you're the Browns,
06:53what are you willing to give up for them?
06:55And that I honestly don't know.
06:57Like, a fourth-round pick for J.J. McCarthy,
07:01is that too rich for anyone's blood?
07:03It sounds too rich.
07:04I mean, I would prefer what Brandon Little threw out there
07:07in A to C sports.
07:08But I don't think a fourth-rounder's too rich.
07:14Considering that Sam Darnold, who played a lot more football
07:17before the Jets moved on for him, went for a two, a four, and a six,
07:21I think a fourth-rounder is well within the range of possibilities
07:25that I don't think for two years.
07:28Like, if Anthony Richardson, for some people, is worth a fifth-rounder,
07:31I think J.J. McCarthy, with an extra year of control,
07:34is worth one-round more.
07:35I think that's where you lose the Browns in this conversation
07:37because I don't think the Browns are interested in investing
07:39anything more into this season than they need to.
07:41I don't think so.
07:41I don't think so.
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