00:00I will tell you, I thought Dexter Lawrence was going to get traded,
00:03and yet it still shocked me for two reasons.
00:07One, where Dexter Lawrence got traded, which was to Cincinnati,
00:10because it meant they would have to pay him,
00:12and they'll pay a couple guys, but they'll pay everyone.
00:15And for what he got traded for, Dexter Lawrence going from the Giants
00:19to the Bengals for the No. 10 pick in the draft.
00:22And I do think Bengals fans' reaction is proof
00:25that if you just get restless for long enough,
00:28fans will sign up for any sort of news in the NFL,
00:31because there's no other way to look at it than a massive overpay.
00:34Well, yeah, I mean, it's an overpay,
00:35especially since the Browns, I guess they were rumored to have sent out
00:38or wanted to send out No. 39 overall, as you get No. 10.
00:42But here's why, if I was a Bengals fan, I'd be thrilled,
00:45because that's got to make Joe Burrow happy.
00:46And that's the thing that the Bengals haven't done.
00:48In the three years of missing the playoffs,
00:50maybe they've done so on the offensive side of the ball,
00:52but they've done nothing defensively,
00:53and you can tell Joe Burrow's getting restless at the whole operation.
00:56And so they had to do something to make Joe Burrow happy,
00:59and I feel like this at least goes not the whole way,
01:01but it goes some of the way.
01:02I feel like if you had paired this with re-signing Trey Hendrickson,
01:07oh, that's a really nice offseason.
01:09You figured it out with Trey, you mended the fences there,
01:12and you got Dexter, who's only going to make Trey better.
01:14They're still too poor for that conversation, though.
01:17I don't think it's poor.
01:19I think they're complacent.
01:21The Bengals are just a really cheap operation.
01:23That's all that really is.
01:24Okay, so there's a difference between cheap and poor.
01:26Even like putting the money into the escrow
01:28in order to pay off two different people,
01:30that type of money has been a problem for them in the past,
01:32while also paying Joe Burrow the money he's making
01:35and Jamar Chase the money he's making.
01:36But I look at this and I go,
01:39and listen, one way to look at this is,
01:41well, the 10th pick in this draft isn't like the 10th pick
01:44in, say, last year's draft or maybe next year's draft.
01:47I don't care.
01:47Dexter Lawrence is going to be 29 in season.
01:50You had to pay him a contract extension,
01:52and he's coming off his worst season as an NFL defensive tackle.
01:56I get that you can skew the analytics to go,
01:59well, look at how many double teams he's faced.
02:01Or, well, you know, last year they stuck him in the nose tackle role.
02:04Maybe if you move him to a different way on the defensive line.
02:07And a weird twist, they were doing on-off splits for him,
02:10which I've never seen us do that in the NFL before.
02:12I don't think we should start now, by the way.
02:14Warren Charm had a whole thing on it,
02:16and it was like, again, like the on-off numbers, okay,
02:19you want to make that case.
02:20There's probably a reason we don't use that as an analysis ever.
02:23But, like, it's funny.
02:24I think Bengals fans were desperate for this news.
02:27So because they got any news that was positive,
02:31it was an immediate, hell yeah.
02:33And I kind of feel like that's the same thing
02:35maybe the Bengals are trying for with Joe Burrow.
02:38Maybe Joe Burrow's been so devoid of a big move,
02:42a, hey, we're going to try and win with you move,
02:44that he's just like, it doesn't matter if it's a 29-year-old fat nose tackle
02:48with shape issues and coming off a down year.
02:52Listen, he's not asking for much, Joe Burrow.
02:54In this relationship that they have, he hasn't asked for much.
02:57And it feels like he just wanted some breadcrumbs.
03:00That's all he wanted.
03:01He wanted them to, like, seem like they give a damn,
03:02that he's in his prime, and he's missed the playoffs three straight years.
03:06That's all.
03:06And so, yeah, I would bet this goes a long way for Joe Burrow.
03:09It has to go a long way for Joe Burrow.
03:11He wants Cincinnati to work.
03:12Cincinnati has just done no work themselves in trying to make it work.
03:16Now, this is either a really good thing for the Browns
03:19or a really bad thing for the Browns.
03:21We're not going to really know until Thursday.
03:24The big name the Giants have been kind of tied to
03:29that might intersect with the Browns is Carnell Tate.
03:33My first initial thought was, oh, damn, now they can take Tate at five
03:37and wait to see if an edge rusher falls to them at 10.
03:41And I think everybody else's reaction was, well, maybe now you take a Reuben Bain,
03:46a David Bailey, or...
03:48They were thinking Sonny Stiles was the big name that kept being thrown around.
03:50Thank you for mentioning that one.
03:51I was not going to get that in a million years.
03:53And then maybe you wait to see what wide receiver falls to you at 10.
03:55Yeah, and I just don't know what I believe at this point, Nick.
03:57That's really what it...
03:58Because it seems like they love Tyson.
04:00They were all about Tyson.
04:01All they've done is talk about Tyson.
04:02And then it's like, well, okay, we make this trade,
04:04and are you just going to leave it up to fate that Tyson's there at 10 overall?
04:09I wouldn't.
04:10Think about their team.
04:10Think about what the direction they just tried to tell everybody they're taking
04:13and getting rid of a defensive player that is...
04:16He's better than any interior defensive lineman you could take in this draft, right?
04:20What they're telling you is they're focused on Jackson Dart and the offense,
04:23and they're trying to get that thing going.
04:25So then they're just going to sit back and, I don't know,
04:28let the Browns take Tyson instead?
04:31It doesn't add up to me.
04:33I mean, we don't know who they favor between Tyson and Tate,
04:36which would be an interesting part of this.
04:39But yeah, I mean, I think the fact that now they have flexibility,
04:42not only does it impact the Browns maybe at six,
04:44I also think it impacts the Browns and the idea of maybe trading down.
04:49If, again, like everyone seems to be pointing to the Browns taking a tackle first
04:54and then going wide receiver later,
04:59it's such a strong current with that that I actually believe maybe the opposite
05:03is what they really want to do.
05:06There was a moment where I thought maybe one of Tate, Tyson, or Lemon
05:10could be there at 12 or 13 if you trade it down with the Rams or Cowboys.
05:13It's getting harder to believe that now that the Giants have kind of got
05:16that second first-round pick.
05:18Yeah, I mean, it definitely feels like the Giants are going to take a wide receiver.
05:20If not at five, it's going to be at 10.
05:22And so, yeah, if the Browns don't go wide receiver at six overall,
05:26you're playing in the second tier at 24.
05:30That's not great.
05:33I could really just use Jordan Tyson or Carnell Tate here.
05:35I really could.
05:37I know, I get it.
05:38And, like, I don't know, if neither of those guys are on the board,
05:43because theoretically either could go earlier.
05:45I mean, Tyson is, for all the things people have said about the injuries,
05:48Tyson is a top-five talent.
05:51Like, he is a game-changing kind of talent, the one wide receiver in this class
05:55that definitively is, if both of them are off the board at six,
05:59can we do what the Vikings did a couple years ago?
06:02About 20 years ago, where to try and get the salary cap lower,
06:06they let a couple teams – they literally let the time expire
06:09and then let a couple teams pick after them and then send in the pick.
06:13They saved, like, $300,000 or something stupid like that.
06:16They saved them to think about it more?
06:17Yeah.
06:17It was a Kevin Williams pick.
06:19Yeah, yeah, I remember that.
06:20As everyone remembers the Kevin Williams pick.
06:24I would slaughter the Browns if that was them.
06:26I mean, I would absolutely slaughter them.
06:28Well, no, you've got to understand the verticals.
06:29I would destroy them.
06:30JP, you're not thinking about the verticals on this.
06:32I'm thinking about the verticals on this.
06:33No, if you were thinking about the verticals, you'd be loving the verticals.
06:36You've got four months to put your board together, figure it all out.
06:38I get to give you a 10-minute time crunch,
06:39but you've got to have these scenarios all played out.
06:42It's just a laughable mistake.
06:44Now, when this trade was made, did I automatically go, damn.
06:48Yeah, yes.
06:49When it comes from the Browns' perspective.
06:51I was going to say, from the Bengals' perspective?
06:52Or was it, I mean, you kind of got hit both ways.
06:55I think the Bengals totally overplayed.
06:56I think this could age terribly for them.
06:58I think this is a silly trade by them, no matter what your intentions are.
07:04But from the Browns' perspective, it was only the draft side of things.
07:08Like, the people who were like, man, they just made the AFC North tougher.
07:11It's like, I don't know, man.
07:13The Browns are kind of battling themselves this offseason.
07:16Yeah, and we're not really in the AFC North convo.
07:19Like, maybe the wild card.
07:21All things going well, maybe the wild card spot.
07:23But the AFC North, what are we doing here?
07:25Yeah, but this is the first year in how many years you could say that the AFC North is as
07:28weak as it's been.
07:30We don't know what the Ravens are going to be.
07:32The Steelers, I guess they're just going to start Will Howard.
07:35Make that one make sense.
07:36They don't even know what's going on there.
07:37Do they have to draft Ty Simpson?
07:39Is Aaron Rodgers going to decide?
07:40Is it going to be during the draft?
07:42Like, he's done in years past where he just tried to take over the draft and make his big announcement
07:45then?
07:45Nobody really knows what's going on there.
07:47And the Bengals are actually trying to do something in the corner.
07:50I just think it'd be really funny.
07:52Well, that's, well, okay.
07:53So what I will give it is that it does feel like the Bengals are the one team going, we're
07:57trying to claim this division.
07:59Yeah, like it's open.
08:00It's open for him.
08:01Like, I don't consider, like, because people say, well, the Ravens signed Trey Hendrickson.
08:05One, Trey was actually not that prolific from a sack, from a pressure side of things last year.
08:10He actually had a big step back, which nobody's talked about because he's a big name.
08:13And two, he assigned him in free agency.
08:16Like, to me, you put skin in the game when you make these trades.
08:20When you assign somebody in free agency, that's a, hey, we're going to sign this contract in a year we
08:25could rip it up,
08:25or two years we could rip it up because it's just money.
08:28When you give somebody money and you commit a top 10 pick, at least you can say, we're trying to
08:33do it.
08:34At the same point, like, I don't know.
08:38If Dexter Lawrence swings this division, I'm just going to assume that it's because the division isn't that strong in
08:43the first place.
08:43Yeah, and that might be the result we end up getting to, is the idea that this division isn't that
08:47strong in the first place.
08:47But that's why the Bengals have had the worst defense in the NFL over the previous three years.
08:51Like, legitimate, worst aggregated over the three years, worst defense in the NFL.
08:55Like, they just, they understand you can have Joe Burrow.
08:58If you have nothing defensively, it's not going to matter.
09:00The problem is...
09:01I wish they'd go further for their own sake.
09:03I wish they'd go further.
09:04The problem is, whether it's the Delaney kid from LSU or Caleb Downs, man, those are impact positions to kind
09:14of pass up.
09:16I think Delaney might end up being like a best in the division kind of corner.
09:20Like, he could be the next...
09:21And, like, it's really tough to pass that up for a great player.
09:26But I don't, like, if we put the top 20 defensive linemen in the NFL on a big board, maybe
09:33Dexter's in the 11 to 20 camp, depending on who you talk to.
09:37But he's certainly not in the top 10.
09:38And you gave up top 10 value for him.
09:40Yeah, well, again, that's why it's this draft that I think matters so much in this.
09:43And because any of the draft community people that have talked about this have been like, yeah, Dexter Lawrence is
09:48better than anyone you take as far as on the interior defensive line.
09:51And it's not even close.
09:52216-474-0092.
09:54Two, the Bengals trade for Dexter Lawrence.
09:58And, again, I don't think it was just Bengals fans who were restless and thirsty for this.
10:02Did you think the Browns were going to pull it off?
10:04No.
10:04I didn't either.
10:05There was a lot of smoke there all throughout the day, though, leading up to that trade.
10:09Also, giving up the 39th pick when you have Malik Collins and Mason Graham.
10:16And you have long-term holes at left tackle, wide receiver, and then even, like, future edge, future cornerback, linebacker.
10:24Like, you start to get into, like, the long-term depth plays that might grow into future starters.
10:29Giving up the 39th pick for a 29-year-old nose tackle really just would have been an interesting choice
10:34by Andrew Barry.
10:35Well, I feel like Andrew Barry was going to try to do what he always does, which is weird.
10:39It's like he doesn't even think about, like, sometimes I worry about whether he thinks about roster construction or anything
10:44like that.
10:46If he would have made the trade, it would have just been about value.
10:49That's like his whole MO is, like, can I get value?
10:51And at 39, he clearly would have gotten value out of it relative to trading the number 10 overall pick.
10:56But that's, like, his whole game is how much value can I get in life?
10:59It's just odd that we know that much about Andrew Barry and how he thinks.
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