00:00Three big dogs in the NFL draft world all had the Dallas Cowboys making the same move in their latest
00:08mocks.
00:09Mel Kuyper, Todd McShay, Dane Brugler having the boys moving up to six to draft Sonny Stiles, Charles Robinson,
00:18and now Jonathan Jones, CBS Sports, saying pump the brakes.
00:22I think they could stick and pick and not move up.
00:26Slightly different, too, in the ways that they projected it.
00:29But Mel and Dane projected the same trade.
00:33McShay projected a little different.
00:35He had said 12, because everybody said 12 and 20 for six and 39.
00:40That's been the common one.
00:40Yeah.
00:41McShay had done.
00:42And Nick Harris agreed with someone on Twitter who was like, guys, that's too light.
00:46That's not getting it done.
00:4712, 92, and next year's second is what he had put in there for six only.
00:54So you'd pick six and 20.
00:56And then at 20, McShay mocked Jermon McCoy, which is not happening.
00:59So that made me feel like, OK, well, if you're wrong about that, you might be wrong about Dallas going
01:04up, too.
01:05Yeah.
01:06Well, I would not be a fan of moving up for Stiles.
01:09Me and Brian brought us kind of in the same camp.
01:11Ten-minute YouTube expert that I am.
01:15And the one guy who kind of had me changing my mind, got me hyped last night off this clip,
01:21was Louis Riddick.
01:23I think about the importance of that position and the makeup of that position and what that guy needs to
01:29look like, how he needs to carry himself, you know,
01:31and how he needs to affect the rest of that side of the ball and the team overall.
01:35I go back to my days when I was with the Cleveland Browns and Bill Belichick brought in Pepper Johnson,
01:40who was on the backside of his career at that time.
01:44But it's just the presence of a big, stoic, athletic, playmaking, in-control Mike Backer that when he walks into
01:53the huddle and you're standing there and you're looking at him,
01:56and it's third and seven and you've got to get a critical stop in late November, December, because, you know,
02:02the game is on the line.
02:03You get this sense of confidence when you see a guy who has that kind of resilience, that kind of
02:09horsepower, that kind of stick-to-itiveness that says,
02:12I know he's going to get the job done, and he's talking to us and making sure that we know
02:16that we need to get the job done.
02:18And when you talk to Ohio State, you get the feeling that that's what Sonny did for that football team.
02:24And then it kind of like carried over off the football field when he had to have media responsibilities and
02:30be kind of the spokesperson for the team and for the defense overall or for the linebacker room.
02:34I just think he's made for big roles, for big moments, on big-time football teams like the Dallas Cowboys.
02:42I just think he'd be a superstar in that uniform in particular.
02:46Oh, that one got me.
02:48And then McShay, McShay, I was on ESPN, and McShay also saying that someone in the league told him that
02:54Stiles, one of the smartest players, he'll run a company when his football days are over.
02:59You can tell me you get a straight, no-doubt captain that's that football intelligent to line up all these
03:06guys who were zigzagging last year.
03:08That makes me not mad if they get him.
03:11I don't want to do it.
03:13I don't prefer it.
03:13But I'm not mad if he's that leader.
03:15I'm a big leadership guy.
03:16What if he's a fifth-rounder like Brian Broaddus seems to think, which we referenced earlier?
03:21I should share what Vach said.
03:23And so Vach texted me, and Vach Lombardi, who Brian Broaddus does a podcast with, and he's on the draft
03:30show.
03:30You think Vach knows where Stiles is on Broaddus' board?
03:33Yes.
03:34Unlike Zach?
03:34Yes, he does know.
03:36He said, listening to the playback of our show, he said, I also have a two on Stiles.
03:41He said, I don't think he's Sean Lee, Fred Warner, or Luke Kuechly.
03:45A fun exercise is to see where you would draft Stiles in the 2021 draft.
03:49Good combo.
03:49So he is Vach is of the opinion as well that, similarly, he thinks, and I said earlier,
03:54I think there are plenty of evaluators who probably do view Stiles in the second round,
03:58but second round of them also could mean 15th overall player, and it's somebody that would
04:03still potentially take in the first round.
04:04Broaddus has him at 16.
04:06I mean, just 1,600.
04:10I can understand the comparison he gave to Pepper Johnson.
04:16Like, that dude was always on a good defense.
04:19Always.
04:20Always.
04:20Whether it was the Giants, the Browns, the Jets, that defense was always good.
04:24I could see the importance that you would put on the adult in the room.
04:29Now, not necessarily, like, you know, whether, you know, from the brainpower, the ability
04:33to make all the calls.
04:35The talent is one thing.
04:37Yeah.
04:37And it's obvious that the talent of Stiles is there.
04:40Game Brugler with more on Sonny via All-City.
04:43And no disrespect to the linebackers on the roster, but there is an opportunity here for
04:48them to go upgrade that position.
04:50And a guy like Sonny Stiles, who 6'4", 245 pounds, the athlete, the person, the intangibles
04:58are off the charts.
05:00He wore the green dot for Ohio State a little bit as a junior and then full-time as a
05:04senior
05:05this past year.
05:06So there's just a lot to like about the player and the fit with what the Cowboys could be
05:10looking for in the first round of this draft.
05:14I think he's somebody who I really, really like.
05:18I do have him as a first rounder.
05:19I think that he's somebody who could really immediately help improve their defense and
05:25would fill what is their biggest need right now.
05:29There are players I like more that I would take above him if they were sitting there, but
05:33he's somebody who, if they pick him, I don't think anybody should feel like this was a
05:37bad day.
05:38I think everybody should feel like you got something that is going to objectively improve
05:41your defense next year.
05:42Dane was also on the G-Bag Nation yesterday, and Pepe has gone through that audio to set
05:47us up with.
05:48Yeah, so we talk about Sonny Stiles, and obviously the Cowboys want him there, you know, maybe
05:52at No. 6 or later on.
05:54But what other linebackers are available if Stiles gets taken in the top five?
05:58The G-Bag Nation asked Dane Brugler this yesterday.
06:01Well, C.J. Allen, for the Georgia linebacker, he ran today.
06:05It's kind of an interesting thing.
06:06There was one scout there, and so that one scout kind of shared.
06:12The numbers were between like a 4-4-4 and a 4-5-2, and so I think teams are
06:19going with
06:204-4-7 for C.J., and that's a good number for him.
06:25That's, you know, hearing from teams, they think he has an outside shot of getting into
06:31the first round.
06:32So, you know, think about this linebacker.
06:34Is a linebacker 2 going to go in the first round?
06:37Could it be Jacob Rodriguez?
06:38Could it be C.J. Allen?
06:40And there's a chance one of those two could get in there.
06:43Could they go as high as 20?
06:44I think that'd be a little surprising.
06:46But at the same time, like we said before, the grade you have on the player at 20 isn't
06:52all that different than who you have at 40.
06:54And so, I think there's room for some volatility in those final 12 picks of the first round,
07:01just because I don't think teams are going to be worried about the quote-unquote reach
07:05at that point, because grades are going to be so similar.
07:08Why would there just be one scout?
07:11So, this late in the process, if you're talking about individual pro days, there may just be
07:14reasons why, oh, somebody couldn't get out there, or it's a late scheduling.
07:19Because initially, this was not even supposed to be on the calendar.
07:21He was supposed to run at Georgia, and then something had happened.
07:23So, this may have just been kind of thrown together at the last minute, and there weren't
07:26a bunch of teams that could fit it in on their schedule.
07:28What do you think of him?
07:29I like him a lot.
07:30I think that he's somebody who, you want to talk about like high mental processor and somebody
07:35who the brain works whole line about Christian Parker that Will McClay talked about.
07:39I think that's C.J. Allen.
07:40I think that he's somebody who improves their defense pretty significantly.
07:43So, you have all the talk about the Cowboys moving up to No. 6 in the first round of the
07:47draft, but Dane was asked, how confident are you about picks 1 through 5, where training
07:51up to 6 will actually help the Cowboys?
07:53You know, again, I wouldn't say that we have a high confidence level, and just a week out,
07:57obviously, we know that a quarterback will be 1, and then at 2 is going to be an edge
08:02rusher.
08:02And then the Cardinals at 3 become a little bit of a conversation.
08:05Do they go to the right tackle, or do they go with the edge rusher that doesn't go at
08:10No. 2?
08:10And let's just say it's the edge rusher, then all of a sudden 4 and 5 become pivot points
08:15in the top 10, with Tennessee at 4, Giants at 5.
08:20Do you think about the Titans and Robert Sala, and he had Fred Warner in San Francisco.
08:27Does that mean that he would lean towards a guy like Sonny Stiles, and what that could mean
08:31for that Titans defense?
08:33Would they go with Reuben Bain there?
08:36We know they want a full stable of pass rushers.
08:39Or would they go with the most explosive offensive weapon in the draft, with that being Jeremiah
08:44Love?
08:44And so, then with the Giants, John Harbaugh, this is a John Harbaugh pick, but John Harbaugh,
08:50he's not an offensive guy, he's not a defensive guy.
08:53He's a CEO type of head coach.
08:55And over his time in Baltimore, they were all over the place in terms of where they
08:59went in the first round.
09:00They drafted a safety three times in the first round over his tenure in Baltimore.
09:05So, I don't think there's anything that we can point to to say, yeah, they're definitely
09:09going to go offensive line here, definitely going to go with Love if he's there, definitely
09:13going to go with Stiles or Downs.
09:15Those picks 4 and 5 really are a little unpredictable at this point.
09:18And speaking, R.J. Choppy of Arizona, they are not entertaining, but they're visiting
09:27with who would be the R.J.
09:29Choppy pick at 3 as the Cardinals are meeting with Ty Simpson.
09:34Yes, they are.
09:35That would be the R.J.
09:36Choppy plan.
09:37Yes, it would.
09:37Let's just go.
09:38Well, no, because of the R.J.
09:39Choppy plan, he'd have been off the board at 2 to the Jets.
09:42That's right.
09:42Right?
09:43So, you know, I see our articles, which team controls the draft?
09:48And, you know, teams with two picks, right?
09:49The Giants control the draft.
09:51Who the Giants pick dictates how a lot of the rest of the draft goes.
09:55Right?
09:56Because the Giants draft, like Bobby said, if they draft an offensive lineman, the whole
10:02draft takes a different trajectory at that point.
10:05But if they take Downs or Stiles, then the whole draft takes another trajectory at that
10:10point, too.
10:10Because what the Cowboys do then depends on that.
10:13Maybe what Kansas City does, whether the Cowboys move up or down.
10:18But it is interesting about Arizona meeting with Ty Simpson, but they've got an early
10:21round, early second rounder.
10:22We got more from Dane on G-Bag?
10:24Yeah, we got one more clip here.
10:26So we heard the other day about Keldrick Falk.
10:28And Dane was asked, how could Keldrick Falk help the Cowboys if they do end up drafting
10:32him?
10:32Yeah, I mean, look, you're dealing with a guy that's 6'6", 275 pounds, almost 35-inch
10:38arms, 21 years old.
10:40And what he was asked to do at Auburn, where playing in a three-man front, a lot of 4
10:46-I,
10:465 technique, wasn't asked to just scream off the edge.
10:49And so I think that explains why the production, the backfield production, wasn't greater.
10:55But I think you have somebody that's just kind of scratching the surface of what he can
10:59be.
10:59Now, I mean, he's not the most twitchy.
11:01He's not a super bendy guy either.
11:04But he wins with his hands.
11:06He's an instinctive player, especially in the run game.
11:09So I don't know that he's ever going to be a double-digit sack guy.
11:13But I think he's going to be someone that you can win with.
11:16Somebody that is going to make your defensive line better versus the pass and the run.
11:20And somebody that ends up being a positive for anybody's defensive line.
11:25So there it is.
11:26Dane Brugler on yesterday with the G-Bag Nation, the Red Zone, your football fake.
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