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Shan, RJ, and Bobby reacted to Jerry Jones’ “bust the budget” comments and debated whether the Cowboys have actually followed through this offseason. They discussed Dallas’ moves so far, including the addition of Rashan Gary, while also reacting to other signings around the league and questioning if the Cowboys have been aggressive enough to truly improve the defense, and more.
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00:00Osa Odigizua to the San Francisco 49ers for a third-round pick, number 92 overall.
00:06So the Cowboys can now play some draft ball in the middle rounds.
00:10It's this year's draft, and the internet is split over this.
00:15I like it. I was underwhelmed by Osa.
00:18Get a third, save $5 million, and he was not a fit for Christian Barker.
00:24I'm fine with it.
00:25They've got other players that play a similar position or the position.
00:31If he's not going to fit, he's not going to fit.
00:32I would like to have the coordinators fit the scheme to the player.
00:39I know that's not always the case. It's not always going to happen.
00:42You're going to have guys like this that are just, you know, it's a numbers game.
00:45If you get a third-round pick for him, that's fine.
00:48I don't really care that it's San Fran.
00:50That's my least favorite aspect of it, is that it's San Fran.
00:53I would have preferred somebody else.
00:55You know, would I have dropped 10 spots to send him to Cleveland instead?
01:00You know, sure.
01:01But you can't eliminate every team.
01:03They already eliminated Philadelphia.
01:04You can't keep eliminating teams.
01:06Bobby's putting up the wind horse fingers over a deal that usually we skip past pretty quickly.
01:13Solomon Thomas and a seventh to the Titans for a seventh.
01:18So you send a player and a seventh in exchange for a seventh.
01:23Yeah, you really want to move up those seven spots to get your punter, your next punter.
01:27That's an important thing.
01:28Your Aubrey replacement.
01:29It doesn't make sense.
01:30Look, I mean, I don't even need to get that in the draft.
01:32I can literally go find that at Home Depot.
01:36It's just bizarre.
01:38I'm like, you can't.
01:38He was on a soccer field.
01:40So he's really good, but whatever.
01:43This is just that's a guy who, as soon as you traded Osa, is a functionally, if we have to
01:49that whole roll the ball out there and play thing.
01:51He's starting tomorrow.
01:53Solomon Thomas is.
01:55And when you move him for seven spots in the seventh round, you've created a liability that you have to
02:03cover.
02:03And so the only thing is that if they know they're getting somebody, whether big or small, again, I'm not
02:09saying that means it's Max Crosby.
02:10It could be somebody like Solomon Thomas.
02:13But you don't generally just create that hole six weeks out from the draft without knowing in the next six
02:19weeks that's being addressed somewhere.
02:21And generally, you're not guessing.
02:23You know where you're going to get it from.
02:24And so moving Solomon Thomas to me right after the Osa thing, if they moved Osa, I could have been
02:29like, yeah, they're not going to add anybody else.
02:31I wouldn't have necessarily, like, guaranteed it.
02:34This feels like a guarantee they have to add a veteran.
02:36I would bet my life they add a veteran on the defensive line over the next six weeks.
02:39Speaking of Brandon Aubrey, Fox 4 caught up with him and asked him yesterday, any updates on your deal?
02:46No waiting pattern.
02:48There's a lot of moving parts with the Cowboys at the moment.
02:51And, you know, there's players that aren't restricted that they got to sort through first because with that restriction, movement
02:57is significantly more difficult.
02:58So they go through and, you know, there's more important fires to put out.
03:03And then, you know, they can circle around when things calm down and talk to me.
03:07It doesn't sound like the golf course.
03:09No, it was like, I think it was an Indy car event, some racing event.
03:15So that's right here, right?
03:16The one in Arlington.
03:17Mm-hmm.
03:18Yep.
03:18That's one.
03:18So that's Aubrey with his update.
03:21Yeah, he sounds a little more resigned to the fact that he has no power.
03:25And that's the reality that Todd France, who throws his weight around every opportunity he gets, not going to be
03:31able to do it this time.
03:32But, like, if they want to play ball with you and be kind to you, they can.
03:37But otherwise, they can say, you're playing for a million under the top of the market this year if we
03:40want you to.
03:41I mean, it really does suck.
03:43I mean, I'm not going to, like, I'm not feeling bad if he's making $5.5 million or $5.75.
03:48But that really stinks that you have literally no power.
03:52If it started in August and you went, give me $10 million, then I don't feel bad for you.
03:57You did this.
03:57You could have had your deal done.
03:58You could have had $8 million probably.
04:00Okay, well, why didn't the Cowboys just counter at $8 million?
04:03And then it could be done on both sides.
04:05Because when you come in and go $10 million, they go, what?
04:09You'll play at $5.7 million then.
04:11It's just, if you would have been willing to play a little more ball, it probably could have been done
04:14already.
04:15Other deals yesterday.
04:17Bradley Chubb, a name that we've discussed a lot here on the program, the former Dolphins defensive end,
04:24reaches a three-year, $43 million deal with the Buffalo Bills.
04:29It's up to $52.5 million.
04:31It includes $29 million guaranteed.
04:33So, basically, three for 30.
04:35And I kind of went on a cowboy tangent yesterday after this deal got announced.
04:42And it just made me bitter.
04:44And I said, oh, dump.
04:48Are you going to dump that, Peyton?
04:50My God.
04:52My phone went off.
04:53So, Bradley Chubb signs with the Buffalo Bills.
04:57And I tweeted, oh, we're fine, though, because we got Rashawn Gary.
05:01We're fine.
05:02Just like Max Crosby.
05:03We're going to move forward.
05:04We already got Gary.
05:06And people are like, well, Bradley Chubb is washed.
05:09What are you doing?
05:09Gary's better.
05:10And it wasn't really about Chubb.
05:12It's just another one of these deals that's lining up that I'm getting bitter that the Cowboys did not get
05:19involved in.
05:20At some point in time, you have to pull the trigger.
05:23If you're going to follow along with this whole bust-the-budget thing, and I'm going to line up some
05:27apologies.
05:27I'm not going to issue them yet.
05:29I'm lining them up in my drafts towards the Cowboy fans who told me that the bust-the-budget thing
05:35was a joke.
05:36And you're falling for it again.
05:38And Jerry Jones tricked you all over again.
05:40Because at some point in time, the Bradley Chubb deal, the Reek Wollin deal, the Trey Hendrickson deal, I expect
05:50you to do one of them, right?
05:52And you brought this up in the Kobe Dean, Bobby, the other day.
05:55And I think Stephen Jones is allergic to this.
05:58I'm not going to pay the $2 million more to make sure we lock it up.
06:03We have the value.
06:05He's a $12 million player.
06:07He's a $15 million player.
06:09He's a $26 million player.
06:11And we're not going to pay a million or two over just to secure it and make sure that we
06:17get it.
06:17I really think that is Stephen Jones.
06:19He probably views himself as so rigidly financially disciplined.
06:25I think it's too disciplined.
06:26And the Bradley Chubb deal is just another example of something I would have liked them to have done, one
06:33like that, or two like that, for a defense that we all know needs it.
06:38I don't.
06:40I don't.
06:41See, I would say that the Chubb one feels.
06:46And now we have a max excuse.
06:48Now what they're going to do is.
06:51Yeah, Gary.
06:51They're going to come on here and say, right around training camp.
06:55Well, we are waiting for something to happen with Crosby.
06:57We're keeping the powder dry.
06:58We're keeping the powder dry just in case, you know, max was available now that we felt better about the
07:04medicals.
07:05And that will excuse not going out and getting more players.
07:09Yeah, I would say that Gary, to me, is like that's not a good enough excuse with Crosby, if that's
07:15the excuse.
07:15It's not a good enough excuse with Hendrickson.
07:17Like, well, we already got this.
07:19Chubb, I think it is.
07:20Just personally.
07:21I don't want to pay $15 million because he's not going to play over as a Rocco even.
07:25So I don't want to pay $15 million for him to be a third of a Snaps backup.
07:30Yeah, whether you think he's whether you like PFF or not, he was 100 out of 115 in edge rushers
07:35this year.
07:36So I get that one a little bit.
07:38Now, if they had not gotten Gary yet, I'd be upset that they didn't just try $15 million on Chubb.
07:42I would have wanted that.
07:44But also, I think that the issue here is that it's a little bit like what we talked about yesterday,
07:54where it's what are you building for?
07:57And I know we'll get into some Cody Alexander audio at some point.
08:01But it's like, do you want, they've spent $40 million, right, this year?
08:07That's, that's Micah, essentially, is that they went and added Gary and Thompson.
08:12And so they go, there's the four players that we can throw at $40 million, that kind of thing.
08:16Is that, it's that whole report of, was it Breer we heard about who said they don't want to be
08:20top heavy anymore?
08:21They want to be a little more balanced.
08:22I can't remember who had that report, that they said the Cowboys don't want to be top heavy defensively anymore.
08:26They want to balance out their defense with just like, hey, we want a bunch of guys who make like
08:30$8 million.
08:31That's what we want.
08:31We want a leveled out defense.
08:33And I love that.
08:33To me, that's, that's how it should be on the defensive side.
08:37Like, so, I mean, we could have had.
08:39It's great in theory.
08:40Yeah.
08:40Unless they don't mesh.
08:41It may not work.
08:42It may not work.
08:43But like, would you rather have one Max Crosby and then not have anybody else that you pick up or
08:48three, four guys?
08:49I'd rather have Max Crosby and have made sure we're hitting on the draft picks.
08:53But what's your point?
08:54So what I'm saying is that when they say that when they talk about spending their money, it's a question
09:00of busting the budget or whatever being, did you want them to go?
09:05And I don't mean you.
09:06I just mean in general.
09:06Did you want them to go really hard after one big name?
09:10And then they add like three nobodies you've ever heard of, or they like acquire four like people who are
09:15just.
09:16Listen, I'll simplify for you and everybody else.
09:18Thank you, sir.
09:21Slow it down for me, please.
09:22I'm tired of the slogans.
09:23I'm tired of the BS slogans.
09:25And Brad Sham wrote me back last night and he's like, are you going to feel okay with bust the
09:29budget stuff if they sign Aubrey and Pickens?
09:31No.
09:32When you said we're going to bust the budget, to simplify it, you're telling me we are going to spend
09:40like we usually don't to fix a horrific defense.
09:43And we're going to have the defense good enough to go along with the offense to make us a contender.
09:50Let's just boil it down.
09:51And right now, there's a 50-50 argument on the internet, and we're not going to get into it right
09:55now.
09:55We don't have enough time on whether this defense is definitely better than last year.
10:00A lot of the PFF folks are arguing that it's not.
10:03A lot of Cowboy fans are saying it's not.
10:05I would have a different opinion.
10:06Again, we'll get into that later on.
10:08But we should all sit here and say there's no doubt that they have gone out and acquired, and the
10:15draft is still to come, to be fair.
10:17But there should be no doubt that you went and spent to get the defense to a place where we
10:24think it can line up next to this offense, and that place can even be average.
10:28And we're not there yet.
10:31And guys keep going off the board, and it looks like Crosby's out.
10:34We know Hendrickson is out, and I don't have faith that they have this plan, this magical plan, to where
10:44we're going to go, okay, that's what they were doing.
10:47That's what all the dots were connecting to.
10:50Bust the budget.
10:52Go and spend and do something.
10:55Not compare, and don't come at me with, well, it's the highest signed free agent since 2020 and Gerald McCoy.
11:03Yeah, technically you can say we busted our usual budget.
11:07Stop with the game.
11:09Stop with all the BS slogans that the fan base eats up, including myself, expecting you to splurge.
11:15See, and this is the issue.
11:18This is, I don't blame the Cowboys for coming up with their slogan.
11:22I blame us for believing their slogan.
11:27Okay.
11:27You know, we should know better by now.
11:29There is no bust the budget.
11:31There is no all-in.
11:34I mean, I'm going to blame you for saying this is what we're going to do to make you believe
11:38in our offseason.
11:39They're just telling you what you want to hear.
11:40What was the figure?
11:41Well, guess what?
11:42If the bosses come in and say, here's what we're doing this year, here's our goal, and it's a lie,
11:48I'm not cool with it.
11:49No, but I would have a problem with it if they said it in the building to the other people.
11:55Hey, we're going to do all this.
11:56But what they're telling us is just...
12:00Don't gaslight your fan base.
12:02The other teams don't do it.
12:03Other teams don't give a fake plan.
12:06Look, I don't pay attention to what the other teams' slogans are.
12:10I mean, we do.
12:10We talk about them all.
12:12I don't know what the Bills slogan is this offseason.
12:17It's probably just, you know...
12:18If Brandon Bean said, we're going to get weapons for Josh Allen, and they didn't get weapons for Josh Allen,
12:24you should be pissed as a Bills fan.
12:26What's the figure?
12:27Like, what's the dollar figure that you would have expected him to spend?
12:29I don't have a dollar figure.
12:31To me, it's porn.
12:32It's so obvious.
12:33Like, we would all be able to sit here and not have these debates over, okay, are they better?
12:38Are they not better?
12:39We would all be like, okay, they have made a concerted effort.
12:42Forget about the effort, as a matter of fact, because Ross Tucker went off about that,
12:45and he's like, stop telling me how close they were, and Jane Slater's running down how much credit
12:49they should be given for coming close.
12:51We should be sitting here saying they followed through with what they said.
12:56They busted the budget.
12:57Like, and we're in a gray area.
12:59And it may not even be gray.
13:01A lot of Cowboy fans are saying no.
13:03Oh, I think, like you said, we'll get into it later.
13:04I think absolutely there's no question their defense is better right now.
13:07I agree.
13:07There's no question about that, and I think anybody doing that is whining.
13:11Like, anybody who says, Marcus Moser, I mean, you are who you are as a human being for a
13:15reason that, like, people don't listen to.
13:17Like, when he chirps about it or other people chirp about it, that's just the bitterness
13:22that's out there.
13:22They're better than they were.
13:24It is two days in a free agency.
13:25They've probably made their largest moves in Gary and Thompson.
13:29Did you think two weeks ago, and all of us predicting free agency, I know two days, three
13:37days in.
13:38But, I mean, everybody's gone pretty much.
13:40If they basically end up with this, wouldn't you have expected more based upon, like, our
13:45predictions of what you felt?
13:46I would have expected a bigger single name and smaller ones behind that.
13:52But for the same money.
13:53So, when they miss, I would have expected them to spend about $40 million, $40 to $45.
13:57I just would have figured it would have been.
13:59Is that busting the budget?
14:01And I understand what RJ's saying.
14:02He's basically saying, I'm dumb and I'm not taking it as an offense.
14:06I'm naive.
14:07I'm naive to believe it or to take, you know, Jerry so much to his word.
14:12So, what were they under?
14:1545, $50 million over the cap when they started?
14:18Right?
14:18Like, when they were in a free agency.
14:21So, they shifted around and acquired completely, like, $90 million.
14:25So, to them, they're looking at, we're reshuffling everything into the future and freeing up $90
14:30million.
14:31Like, we've adjusted $90 million to, like, push $90 million of debt to the future to
14:36then add $40 million more of salary onto our cap this year.
14:40Then, I think that they, that's what they're saying of, like, all the, it's not a big name.
14:44But, and I don't think it's like, I don't think anybody should be like, oh, my gosh,
14:46super jacked.
14:47It's not a super jacked offseason that they've done so far.
14:50Here's all I'm saying.
14:50Then, Choppy, you can go.
14:52If we're sitting in the PR meeting and Tad Carper, who is Jerry's PR guy, is sitting in
14:58there and Jerry goes, you know what?
15:00I'm going to come up with, you know, my slogan this offseason is bust the budget.
15:04That's what I'm going with.
15:05The all-in thing, that didn't work out so well.
15:08Everyone misunderstood it.
15:10I'm going to bust the budget.
15:11If I'm Tad Carper or I'm Scott Agolnick, I'm saying, now, Jerry, just so you know, people
15:19think that means you're going to make splash signings.
15:22Is anyone in the room disagree with that interpretation?
15:25No.
15:26That's your point.
15:27That's my point.
15:28When you go out and say that, you're setting an expectation that you're making legit big
15:35name splashes to fix the defense with money.
15:39I, look, I mean, what other way, like, you guys are making me feel like I'm losing my
15:43mind.
15:43I get what you're saying.
15:44I get what you're saying.
15:45Like, we're changing definitions now of, like, sayings that have been there since the beginning
15:50of time, all in, bust the budget.
15:52No, 100%.
15:52But if they thought they were getting Crosby.
15:55And they did offer a warrant or two, right?
15:57If they thought they were getting Crosby and PJ Locke and Sam Pound, stuff like that, and
16:02then they don't get Crosby and they say, combined with that money, it's Thompson and Gary
16:07now, that they're just looking at, like, that was the big primary move we were going to
16:11try to make.
16:12Yeah.
16:12And now we've added around that.
16:14Instead, it's like, okay, we had to spend those dollars elsewhere, but we're still spending
16:18ultimately the same money we had planned on making.
16:19It's just not big name and three nobodies.
16:22It's five, like, middle guys.
16:24Because we talked about, you know, like, obviously, if they get that one guy versus the adding
16:31all the parts together, but we talked about what happened with New England and with Seattle
16:36last year, you know, there's a difference between signing splash guys.
16:40So, like, would you rather have a big, big name and then not a whole lot of other players
16:45that are quality or have just a bunch of quality players?
16:48And we saw Seattle, they signed, you know, Darnold was a, he's not an elite quarterback.
16:54They signed Tank.
16:55They signed a couple other guys in the offseason.
16:56New England signed a lot of B and C level guys.
17:00That's how you build a roster.
17:01Like, if they had spent 40, 50, 60 million, do we not give them any goodwill for offering
17:08what they offer for Max?
17:10That's the question.
17:11People are like, do you give them A for effort?
17:14Ross Tucker and others are like, Bill Parcells, right?
17:17Don't tell me about the labor pain.
17:19Show me the baby.
17:19So, if you don't get Crosby, you've got to pivot.
17:22Honestly, worse, if they would have gotten him and they have the same doctor checking
17:26him out, they may have melted down.
17:29If they would have sent them back and then Thompson and Gary are off the board and you've
17:32sent Crosby back, they would have been getting destroyed.
17:35We're going to do a segment looking back on the deals that have been done and we're going
17:40to write down how many that you think the Cowboys should have done.
17:44Yeah.
17:45So, I know.
17:46There are plenty.
17:46There are plenty that I think they should have done.
17:48So, that's my point.
17:49That's my point.
17:50If you told me it was going to be Jalen Thompson and Rashawn Gary and that's it, I would have
17:57said that's not enough.
17:58That's not busting the budget and that's not fixing your defense enough for the draft.
18:01Would you have considered Boy Mafe a splash?
18:04Yes.
18:04Okay.
18:05So, before, and there are a couple other things that, like you said, we can get into stuff.
18:10There's not enough time to get into it now, but there's some, like, analytics stuff that
18:14trends favorably for Gary.
18:16I would just say this.
18:17Jonathan Allen just got cut yesterday in Minnesota, and he's not the Jonathan Allen he once was.
18:22But if Marcus Dixon goes, hey, that's a guy that we can put on the defensive line, and
18:28then they go trade for somebody like Patrick Queen, which is not, like, a super exciting
18:31guy.
18:31But if you look at that, and then they go through and they get Reuben Bain and Colton Hood, then
18:36your defense next year looks like, when they're in 3-4, Jonathan Allen, Kenny Clark, Quinnen
18:41and Williams, your linebackers are Gary, DeMarvy and Overshown, Patrick Queen, and then Bain
18:47and Azaraku rotating.
18:49And then your corners are Bland, Colton Hood from Tennessee, and Revel.
18:53Yeah.
18:54And then your safeties are Thompson, Hooker, and Locke with rotations to disguise it.
18:58That's not an awful defense at that point.
19:00I'm not saying it's awful, but you're throwing in two free agent addition names that they don't
19:04have right now.
19:05Sure, sure, no.
19:05So, yeah, if they do that, I'll be satisfied.
19:07Yeah, I think they're going to, I don't think it's Queen and Allen, I think they're going
19:10to acquire somebody like that over the next month.
19:13I'm not talking about splash, like the old Dan Snyder, you know, let's go buy all the
19:18names.
19:19Mark Carrier and everything.
19:19I told you, I wanted more, I wanted more bodies.
19:22Yeah.
19:23I want, I'm fine with, I'm fine with four sixes.
19:26Four sixes over, over a nine and eight and threes.
19:29Yeah, but P.J. Locke is a backup safety, and again, depth is fine, and the nose tackle you
19:35got is a backup from the Chargers, but, so I have two new starters right now, okay?
19:41Yes, you will have two more, I think.
19:43Okay.
19:43They're going to, again, they may not be anybody, you're not, it's probably not going to be,
19:47I added Max Crosby, and I added Bobby Wagner, but it will be two veterans that are going
19:52to be acquired.
19:53Have they spent what you thought, like, so far, based upon Jerry's statement?
20:00They've spent more than I thought they were going to spend, because they never spent.
20:02I think the problem is people are viewing, people aren't processing Gary as the salary
20:07acquisition that he is, which Calvin Walken said yesterday, they are shuffling his money
20:11around.
20:12So they're freeing up more money there, but the problem is Gary is, Gary's 18, and then
20:17Thompson's 12, and then you add Locke, who's five, and like, it starts stacking up to where
20:21it's like, well, now they've spent 40 million, and I don't think people process it as they've
20:23spent 40 right now.
20:25And then, I understand why, because half of it was a trade acquisition that a lot of people
20:29were just like, why would you trade for something that's about to be cut?
20:31There's no move that is made to where we can all sit here, honestly, and go, okay, Jerry's
20:36going for it.
20:38He's desperately trying to fix the defense for this year.
20:41There's no move where we can all sit here right now and say it.
20:45They tried on Max.
20:46Yeah, I would say the acquisitions they've made, and the purge, quote unquote, of three
20:52of, you want to talk about that defense last year, three of the players who were least
20:58responsible all year for all of their problems, Thomas, Odigizua, and Clowney have been purged.
21:07Like, that definitely tells me Christian Parker's changing everything they're doing.
21:10So, whether that be they're shifting parts around and they're having to acquire things,
21:13I'll also say, I think the linebacker thing has been really slow to play, because I think
21:18I think that internally, like, the new coaching staff has very particular ideas about what
21:23a linebacker's supposed to look like, and I think that has wiped out instantly when they
21:27went into free agency.
21:28I think that wiped out, like, half the options, where they're like, well, he doesn't fit what
21:32they want at linebacker, so we can't do half of these guys.
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