00:01As a Cowboy follower and fan, well, I'm always scarred into thinking about nightmare scenarios.
00:09How are they going to lose this big game?
00:11How are they going to get beat down in this playoff matchup?
00:15And I'm starting to think about this for next Thursday with NFL draft coverage right here.
00:19Sorry, pessimistic, but my wife has beaten this into my brain.
00:24What will go wrong, what can go wrong, will go wrong.
00:27It's the life of a Cowboy fan.
00:30And when I listened to this yesterday from Daniel Jeremiah, who also went on the KNC Masterpiece a few weeks
00:35ago, I said, damn it.
00:39If this happened, Pluckers will be smashing beer glasses everywhere.
00:46We're going to be kept up with no sleep and come in here on Friday morning freaking out and going
00:52nuts.
00:53This is part one.
00:55Daniel Jeremiah on the Joel Klatt podcast talking about not Caleb Downs, but Dylan Thienemann.
01:05And if he could go at 12, the Cowboys have a glaring need in the secondary and its safety position.
01:10I think Thienemann could be the 12th pick in the draft.
01:13Tosh Lupoi, who we've just established, loves Thienemann.
01:17Where was along his journey?
01:18Where was he at?
01:18He was at Alabama in 20.
01:21Gosh, he was there from 2014 all the way to 2018.
01:24He was a code DC in 2017.
01:26You know who was coaching in that secondary?
01:29It was Derek Ainsley.
01:30You know who coaches DBs for the Dallas Cowboys right now?
01:33Oh, I haven't put this together.
01:35Derek Ainsley.
01:36Oh, my God.
01:37That's why I've been saying I think Thienemann could be the 12th pick in the draft.
01:42Now, great follow-up from Joel.
01:44And this is my cynical nightmare fan reaction scenario.
01:51And I'd have to see it to believe it.
01:53I don't believe it would happen.
01:55But what if?
01:56Are you saying, Joel Klatt, podcast with Daniel Jeremiah, that Thienemann would be picked at 12 if Caleb Downs is
02:06still on the damn board?
02:09I would say, I'll tell you for a fact, I know some teams have it that way.
02:13I don't.
02:14Really?
02:15I'm telling you some teams have it that way.
02:17Erroneous.
02:17Wow.
02:18And I'm not saying they do.
02:20And I would, in that scenario, I would have them taking downs.
02:24But if Downs goes 10, you know, Downs goes 11, I mean, any of those teams, 10, 11, 12, could
02:30all be in that.
02:30And look at Kansas City's picking nine.
02:32They've got issues in the secondary.
02:33So, I think that's the window.
02:36I think that nine to 12.
02:37And I wouldn't be shocked if both those guys are in that nine to 12 range when it's all set.
02:43So, my first scenario I brought up in the last segment, oh, what if you do give up everything you
02:47trade up for Bailey or Reese?
02:49And then you see Downs picked at 12.
02:53And I'm like, oh, I could have just kept all my ammo and gotten Downs at 12.
02:57But I'm ending up with a stud at the top of the draft.
02:59This would cause an absolute meltdown.
03:05Dana Jeremiah said multiple times, there are teams, ah, plural, that have Thiedemann over Downs.
03:11Can you imagine?
03:12You're sitting at your Pluckers and Alliance, and you're at 12, and Downs is there, and they go with the
03:1712 pick of the Dallas Cowboys like Dylan Thiedemann.
03:20What would happen?
03:21What would happen?
03:22I would go next door to the movie theater, and I would get a seat, and I would wait for
03:30the 30 for 30 to come out on this draft.
03:32The documentary on the rise and fall of the Dallas Cowboys.
03:36That's exactly what I would be doing.
03:38Would that be worse than the Johnny reaction y'all were present for?
03:43Yes.
03:44That was like selfish disappointment when we're like, yeah, this is probably the smart thing to do.
03:51I trashed Manziel's character.
03:53My first fight with the fan base here 15 years ago, happy anniversary, you said last weekend to us?
03:58Yeah, it was Saturday.
03:59It was A&M fans when I was like, this guy's a douchebag.
04:02Like, most electrifying college football effect I've ever experienced with covering a team by far.
04:09It was amazing.
04:10But he's not going to be a good college quarterback.
04:12He's just throwing up to Mike Evans.
04:14He's just chucking it, heaving it.
04:15But I wanted Johnny on the Cowboys for the show ratings.
04:19That was more, they did the smart thing.
04:22This would be, I think, outrage.
04:26That was disappointment.
04:27This would be outrage.
04:29But Jeremiah is saying.
04:31I'm not saying, again, I'm just throwing this out there for 90% fun.
04:35But Jeremiah is saying some people have Thedeman over Downs.
04:38It doesn't surprise me.
04:41I mean, there's 32 of them.
04:43And I would imagine there's teams that are just going to be much more about measurables and stuff.
04:49So those teams are going to have Thedeman above him.
04:51Thedeman's more prototypical size.
04:54Thedeman's faster.
04:55Like, he's a better athlete.
04:56Or at least will test as a better athlete.
04:59Downs is a really good athlete.
05:00It's just I don't know that it shows up as testing.
05:02But on a football field, you can see, you saw that play on the Downs highlight reel.
05:07He's 25 yards off the ball.
05:08The ball's pitched in the backfield.
05:10And he, like, raced in to get behind the line of scrimmage before the bat got there.
05:14So he's a really, really good athlete, especially at the line of scrimmage.
05:18But what would you do if they did that, though?
05:21My biggest concern would be that that is with the 28th pick in the 2017 NFL draft,
05:27the Dallas Cowboys select Taco Charlton, and then TJ Watt's sitting there,
05:31and they just let him go.
05:33Wow, you compare it to that.
05:34I'd be worried about that.
05:36Thedeman is a much better prospect than Taco was.
05:38I did not think Taco was going to be a good player.
05:41You have Thedeman as a first-rounder?
05:42No.
05:43No.
05:43No.
05:44He's top of the second.
05:46But he's a good player, and I think he's got a lot of upside.
05:51They'd be, I wouldn't, just in a vacuum, would I like Dylan Thedeman on this defense?
05:56Yeah.
05:56I would not like them passing up Caleb Downs for Dylan Thedeman,
06:00which I don't think they would do.
06:01Yeah.
06:02Can't imagine.
06:03I can't imagine they would.
06:04And, you know, DJ, I love DJ.
06:07He's had a little subtle.
06:08He didn't say, by the way.
06:09He said he thinks the Cowboys would take Downs.
06:11I know.
06:11He would take Downs, but.
06:13He's had a little subtle just water-throwing on Downs for like two months now,
06:17just in general as a prospect.
06:19And look, I would be personally upset if they took Thedeman at 20.
06:27Let's say they take Bain at 12.
06:29All right?
06:30They don't get Delane.
06:31If they get Delane, then you could take Thedeman at 20.
06:34I'm fine with that.
06:34But if you get Bain, I need a corner.
06:39You know, I need Hood at 20.
06:40Why can't you have a safety?
06:42I just feel like I need one.
06:43I feel like a corner is more important for one.
06:45Yeah.
06:45Agreed.
06:46And I think in the first round, I got a study about this,
06:49about some of these positions in the first versus other rounds.
06:55But, like, I just, you know, to me, like, getting a corner in the first round
06:59versus trying to find one in other rounds is,
07:02you're going to get a much bigger drop-off than you would from a safety.
07:07Yeah, but, I mean, generally, it's very rare that a first-round safety does not hit.
07:12Exactly.
07:12No, no, you're right.
07:13You're right.
07:14No, no, I understand what you're saying.
07:16But, like, I feel like I need a corner.
07:18I feel like I would be disappointed if I came away from this draft in the first round
07:20without one of the lane or Hood.
07:24But what if you're trading a day three pick for a corner?
07:26You're trading it for Kenny Moore.
07:29Indianapolis.
07:30I mean, that's better.
07:32That makes me feel a little bit better.
07:34This is kind of what I mean, though.
07:35They're starting, when you think about, like, the fact that they're going to have
07:37Thompson play some corner, I would imagine, and some of the stuff that's going on.
07:41This is why I'm also, like, they need to at least just look at,
07:44is there a market for Revel, and is it the best fit here anymore?
07:48And is this the best fit here now with our defensive coordinator?
07:52Because it's just you've added Durant, you've got Bland, you've got Revel,
07:56you're going to play Thompson inside.
07:57If you then draft another corner, somebody's not playing that often.
08:00And so at that point, it's like, is that a best use?
08:02Somebody should, whether it's Revel, like, all right, let's try and maximize this,
08:05or you're looking to go, let's move off a Bland's contract.
08:07Somebody at that point you might start needing to look at, like,
08:09let's just start allocating resources a little differently.
08:12Albert Breer with other inside the mailbag draft notes.
08:16The GM of one team picking in the top ten told me Ruben Bain did not seem willing
08:21to discuss the car incident when questioned on it.
08:25An executive with another team in the top ten said Bain was open to the extent
08:29he could be about the situation.
08:32I'd say Ohio State receiver Carnell Tate is secure as a top ten pick
08:39and could go as high as number four to the Titans or five to the Giants.
08:43After that, I don't sense there's a consensus number two at the receiver position.
08:49We already went through Jake Golday after Stiles as a linebacker.
08:53Some people throw in Jacob Rodriguez into that mix,
08:56and then Breer finishes with, if there is movement,
08:59in the second ten picks, ten to twenty, and I expect there to be some,
09:03it could be generated by the tackles.
09:06They have a tackle, Caden Proctor will go higher than I think some people
09:09have him right now.
09:11So that is Albert Breer.
09:13The offensive line is one of the biggest mysteries to me
09:17and could really shift things in terms of what Dallas is looking at at twelve
09:20or whether they need to go up.
09:22That may be what they're waiting to, when we talk about them reacting to stuff
09:25on draft day, they may be reacting to just see if there's a run on tackles early.
09:27And if they don't see the run on tackles, then that signals to them that,
09:30all right, the guys are going to get snatched up.
09:32I want to know how much times ten they're doing these scenarios
09:38that we've been doing over the past two months.
09:41How do you do this in terms of drills, exercises?
09:43How much time is allotted to all this?
09:45They will...
09:45Because this is a lot.
09:47Next week, they will run, like, several mock drafts.
09:50And they will operate as though, like, they're going through a mock scenario.
09:54And so they'll go through trades and different things like that.
09:57I think the Giants is such a...
09:59The big thing is everybody feels like, I think, that they know,
10:01all right, you're getting Mendoza and then an edge of some sort at two.
10:06If Arizona stands in, there's a chance they take Maui Noah, an offensive lineman,
10:10or they could go Bailey or somebody like that.
10:12Well, then a four, okay, if they go Maui Noah,
10:15then that may change what Tennessee's going to do.
10:17Because, oh, somebody's sitting on the board that we didn't think.
10:19Bailey's here now.
10:20We're going to take Bailey.
10:21Then the Giants get a five.
10:23It's been penciled in that it's Stiles, but there's a lot of talk that,
10:26well, they could be sitting there and go, we want Fano, the offensive lineman,
10:30because we need to really rebuild our trenches.
10:32Cleveland wants an offensive lineman.
10:33If Cleveland can't bail out, they're probably going to just take a Caden Proctor at that.
10:37So if Dallas starts seeing, all right, three offensive linemen have dropped,
10:40we know a receiver's going to go.
10:41So somebody's getting to us.
10:43Then they got that sense.
10:44Whereas if they get to pick three, and either they haven't traded up for it,
10:49but Arizona's bailed out and somebody's taking Bailey there or Reese,
10:53whoever's left, and then the Titans go with a Stiles or something,
10:55now they're going to start going, all right, go.
10:57We've got to go up to six.
10:59Yeah.
11:00But you're going up to two or three.
11:03You've got to make a quick decision.
11:05I would say there's an 80% chance that the Cowboys pick in the top ten.
11:0980%?
11:10Yes.
11:11Because I think they're going to see the way the board starts falling.
11:13We've got to go up.
11:14The nine and 29 is still the one that intrigues me the most.
11:17I don't think they'll go up to three.
11:19I just think that's too far.
11:20But I do think six or nine is a decent bet.
11:25Because I also, like, I don't know, just go up to three.
11:30Is the third-round pick going to do it along with 12 and 20?
11:34In this market, it might.
11:36I mean, you've got to think about it.
11:37In a normal market, would it not have to be, like, next year's?
11:39When the Texans went up for Will Anderson, which I think was 12 to three,
11:43they had to give up their first, another first, a second, and a third.
11:49Oh, so for Dallas, that would have to be this year's third
11:51and next year's second.
11:53That's a lot, guys.
11:54But I don't think the Cardinals, I don't think they can,
11:57Dallas will just hold firm and be like, okay, go find somebody else.
12:00You're not going to get a better offer.
12:01Nobody's going to give you another first this year to come up here
12:03that's in a better spot, so take it.
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