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The GBAG Nation dove into the latest NFL Draft chatter, including buzz around the Cowboys potentially trading up for Sonny Styles and how teams like the Giants could impact the board. They also discussed other defensive prospects, veteran trade ideas, late-round quarterback flyers, and more.
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00:00The trade chatter today is all these teams that are looking to boogie on down the line.
00:05And Albert Breer fluttered this out there earlier.
00:08I mean, you're talking, we knew Arizona at three is open for business.
00:12Tennessee now at four could be another team that wants to go down.
00:16New York at five, maybe.
00:17Cleveland definitely at six.
00:19Washington maybe even at seven.
00:21A team interested in moving on down.
00:24Now, here is the idea that I was chatting with my guy Justin over in Tennessee.
00:30He does a lot of really good draft work for Sports Illustrated.
00:33And he covers the Titans.
00:34And he said, okay, what do you think about a Cowboys-Titans trade?
00:38And Dan Brugler has been floating out there.
00:41Maybe Sonny Stiles is the name the Cowboys would move up for.
00:45And I think it would be.
00:46And he's got ties there to that area.
00:48He does.
00:48He knows that program.
00:50And I think that you'd be probably fine.
00:52I don't know if you would 100% be.
00:55But I think it's more likely that a Caleb Downs or a Reuben Bain Jr. gets to you at 12.
01:00I don't think a Sonny Stiles is getting to you.
01:01I mean, Brian, you just talked to the Giants today.
01:04And they're definitely a team that's going to be interested in him at five.
01:07Heck, Tennessee at one time, they might have taken him at four.
01:11I mean, I think he's a top five player in this draft class.
01:13And it's one of those weird classes where there's not an elite prospect that you're just like,
01:17oh, hell yeah, this is the guy.
01:19I think Stiles is one of those guys that could turn out to be a really, really big-time player
01:22for you.
01:23And he fits a massive need.
01:24So not only are you taking a guy that, I mean, I think I've got him as my fifth player
01:28right now on the board.
01:29So if you're moving up to four, that's probably about where, like, I'm fine with that in terms of talent,
01:34but also need, do you go with 12, 20, and 92, and you get back 35?
01:42You're going up to four.
01:44I'm getting back the Titans' second-round pick in 35, but I'm giving up 12, 20, and 92 to go
01:50and do it.
01:50And I'm drafting Sonny Stiles at four.
01:52I'm jumping ahead of the Giants at five.
01:54And I'm getting my guy that is my middle linebacker, my green dot dude,
01:58tremendous cover ability, former safety, that I think is just scratching the surface of his potential.
02:03You know, you get that deal, and you're like, okay, I hope you're right about Sonny Stiles.
02:09Let's just start with that.
02:10I know that you're not as high as I am on him.
02:11I'm very high on him, though.
02:13You know, and I would just say internally, if we're 100% sure on this guy, then this move makes
02:19a lot of sense.
02:20You know, I don't hate this move.
02:22Recoup and pick 35, we're in good shape.
02:24We're going to get another good player.
02:26And, you know, 92, we could be hopeful, but it's about a coin flip,
02:31whether that guy's even going to be on the team in four years.
02:34So, we're good here.
02:35I mean, wouldn't you rather do the Browns trade, though, and just get Caleb Downs?
02:39Yeah, I mean, to me, Caleb Downs is my top guy.
02:41So, in any world we're able to snag Caleb Downs, I'm happy with it.
02:44But, again, I think, and I would be down to do that, probably, if I got to choose it, for
02:49me, yes.
02:50But maybe the Cowboys think Stiles is better.
02:52I mean, they could.
02:53They could end up having Stiles ahead of Downs.
02:54I don't know.
02:55Would you take Bailey over Stiles?
02:58I don't think so.
02:59I think I've got Stiles ahead of Bailey.
03:01I got Bailey at 9.
03:03I got Stiles at 16.
03:05You have Stiles at 16?
03:07So, you don't have a one on Stiles.
03:08I do not.
03:09Wow.
03:10Wow.
03:10Yeah, we see him very differently.
03:12I do not.
03:13Why don't you?
03:15So, you wouldn't love them moving up for Stiles like that?
03:17No, I wouldn't.
03:18Okay.
03:18But, you know, I'd understand.
03:20They need linebackers.
03:22I think there's some legitimate questions about him in a way of some coverability stuff with him.
03:28I think that, to me, that there were some times where I think he got better early in the year.
03:33He wasn't good taking on blocks, got better at the year we're on.
03:37But I have some legitimate concerns about him.
03:40Yeah, I mean, it's a little bit of a projection, I think, to get to where you're talking about him
03:44being an all-pro guy.
03:46You're just assuming, hey, he's only played linebacker for like two years now or whatever.
03:49I would much rather take Delane, Bailey, Heck.
03:56I mean, I've even got, like I say, I would take those guys.
04:00I mean, I've got Colton Hood as my last first-round guy on my board at 13.
04:07Dang.
04:08So, you'd rather have Colton Hood over Sonny Stiles.
04:10Yeah, I mean, I'd go Chris Johnson.
04:13He's my 13th best player.
04:15Yeah.
04:15But, yeah, I've got Stiles at five, and I've got David Bailey at eight.
04:19Yeah, I see Stiles totally different to you.
04:22I think that his coverage ability is the best outside of Kyle Lewis in the entire draft.
04:27And I think you're right about, in terms of fighting, you saw him get tremendously better.
04:30I mean, week one versus Texas to the Big Ten Championship game against Indiana, it's night and day.
04:35But, I mean, if you watch that Big Ten Championship game against Indiana, it's hard not to love what you
04:40saw in terms of fighting, shedding, avoiding blockers.
04:44Miami was rough, but it was rough for everybody not named Caleb Downs on that defense.
04:48I mean, Ohio State just looked like a shell of themselves, really, against Miami.
04:52But, yeah, I see Downs as a much better prospect, I guess, than you do.
04:56Or Stiles.
04:57Stiles, yeah.
04:58So, I mean, that's just, I think that's the guy you'd have to go and get, because Daniel Jeremiah also
05:03today, he did a mock, and he had Stiles going five to the Giants.
05:09And the one possible...
05:10Yeah, that sounds like what they're looking at.
05:13Yeah, if you want Stiles, you're going to have to trade with Tennessee at four.
05:16I think they were very surprised that I said that I would, listen, if I'm the Giants, I'd take Malinoa
05:22and play him at guard.
05:23I'd play him at right guard.
05:24That's who I would take at five.
05:27Yeah.
05:27You know, that's, I mean, you could figure out, listen, at 30, I think at 37, you can take C
05:33.J. Allen or somebody, like, you can take Hill.
05:35Their wish list would be for Rodriguez to be there, but I'd say probably not.
05:41But, you know, you're better off, like, say, the guy that, the guy I think that has, like, Downs, Malinoa,
05:49those guys, when you're talking, say, top five, those guys have the least amount of questions about them as players.
05:56That's what I'm trying to do.
05:57Just get the sure thing.
05:58I'm trying to get the surest of the sure, you know?
06:01And listen, it's not that I don't like Stiles, it's just I have some questions about him as a player.
06:08So, I personally, if Dallas were to trade up and take Stiles, it's the right thing for them to do.
06:14It is.
06:15You know, he's one of the better linebackers in the draft.
06:19And they need linebackers.
06:21In a bad way.
06:22In a bad way, yeah.
06:24So, here was Ian Rappaport, and this was on, I believe, Friday.
06:27I caught this while I was driving home.
06:29But he was talking about the move-up scenario.
06:32And a lot of people are.
06:33I know I mentioned Dane earlier, talking about the trade-up.
06:36Others have mentioned it.
06:37And it seems like it's just the draft to do it.
06:39Like, if you know that this is the guy you want, you're probably not paying the premium capital for it.
06:44Like I mentioned in the opening seven.
06:45But here was Rappaport on the Cowboys and moving up in the draft.
06:49The Cowboys are my team most likely to trade up.
06:53Again, this is not for clickbait.
06:54This is real.
06:55I expect them to be at least in the mix, potentially, for coming up for a pass rusher or other
07:00top defensive player.
07:01So, maybe that's, I don't know, let's say it's someone like Ruben Bain.
07:05Let's say it's Mesidor.
07:06Let's say somehow, someway, Sonny Stiles goes to seven, eight, maybe nine.
07:12The Cowboys right now are sitting at 12.
07:14So, if you look at the landscape there, you have several teams who would potentially be open to moving back.
07:21Might the Cowboys jump up a little bit to get a key defensive piece in an offseason when it has
07:26been all about fixing that defense?
07:31Makes sense to me.
07:32I mean, I think you can go up and get your guy.
07:33Now, somebody, seven, six, eight.
07:35I get the Miami game.
07:37If you did not see Stiles pop off the screen against Indiana, I don't know if you watched the right
07:42game.
07:43He was, I mean, that was the one game he was the best player on the field.
07:46And that includes Cale Downs.
07:48I mean, that's the game to watch.
07:50Yeah, arriving with Sonny Stiles.
07:52With violence.
07:53Yeah, he was crazy.
07:54Timing.
07:55It was all there.
07:56He was incredible in that game.
07:57But I think it definitely makes sense to what Rappaport was saying there because nobody really ahead of the Cowboys
08:03would have to trade up to get the player that they want.
08:07Really, the numbers game and the crunch starts at 12, especially if the Cowboys are looking at McCoy the way
08:14that's been reported and Bain the way that Brian was talking about in the opening segment.
08:18You know, like there aren't other teams who have such a need for defensive players.
08:26You know, they're like, fine, if we've got to take an offensive player, this isn't the best year to be
08:30taking a tackler, a wide receiver, a quarterback.
08:32We have good options here that match the value for where we're picking.
08:36The Cowboys is where the, holy crap, you know, this team might get wiped out.
08:42Conversation really starts for this draft.
08:43So it definitely makes sense.
08:45I like what Rappaport had to say, though.
08:47This isn't clickbait, you know.
08:48No, yeah, I think it's real.
08:49Because it acknowledges that the clickbait happens a lot.
08:53Oh, 100%.
08:53And especially when you're putting the Cowboys in.
08:55It's like, oh my gosh, what the Cowboys?
08:57But I think that they are.
08:58I think that's an aggressive move to ensure that they're able to get their guy, especially if other teams are
09:02going to move down.
09:03Like, that's where the risk is where teams that are behind you, maybe they love one of these same guys
09:08that you would.
09:09Like, maybe you're less worried now that New Orleans or Kansas City or some of these other teams, maybe they
09:13do go offense.
09:14Whereas, I didn't know that they would before, especially Kansas City, they could use defense, too.
09:18But if they're looking at wide receiver, maybe it's Jordan Tyson.
09:21If they're looking, if Cardinal Tate goes eight to New Orleans, I mean, that helps your case.
09:25But if I get a Baltimore behind me or a Tampa Bay behind me, one of these other teams that
09:29want to move up, that can wipe you out a little bit.
09:32Now, our buddy Dane was on earlier today with Mina Kimes.
09:35He had it again, which he has said repeatedly.
09:38Some teams have Jermon McCoy totally off their board with the knee.
09:42Cleveland likes Emmanuel Maneke Warren.
09:44McNeil Warren and may be willing to take a right tackle if they get stuck there at six.
09:50So, that means I would think either Malanoa or Fano, who are both right tackles.
09:55But I think the reason they're trying to move back is because they'd like a Monroe Freeling or a Caden
09:59Proctor, who are left tackles.
10:01But six is way too high for them to go.
10:03Blake Miller may be the best football character in the draft.
10:06That's the left tackle from Clemson.
10:07And if you could guarantee a 15 games a year from Jordan Tyson, he would probably be wide receiver one.
10:15Exciting player.
10:16I hope the Cowboys are totally out on Caden Proctor.
10:20It just seems like, you know, he would be the kind of player that would be a head scratcher in
10:26drafts pass.
10:27Like, they did what?
10:27They needed an offensive lineman, so they took this guy.
10:30I mean, the fluctuation of his weight, like approaching 400 pounds down to 340, this is like fat camp guy.
10:37You know?
10:37You don't want weight fluctuation, dude, coming out of college.
10:41That just seems like a nightmare that you should be signing up for on day three.
10:48Somebody just texted in like, hey, any movement on that Colts, Kenny Moore?
10:52Well, Albert Breer, in his mailbag today, did throw the Cowboys out as a team that that would make a
10:58lot of sense, possibly.
11:00He also said that Arvel Reese would be a player that they'd be interested in possibly moving up for.
11:06Because they could view him like they did Micah Parsons in 2021.
11:10So, if you make a trade up, we've mentioned three to Arizona.
11:13It would be 12 and 20.
11:14That adds up to 2,050 points.
11:16And then Arizona might be willing to take a slight discount if you throw in that pick 92,
11:22which is initially what Bruce Feldman of the Athletic threw out there.
11:25I didn't think that was going to be possible.
11:27But if teams are that desperate to move back in this draft, maybe you just take what you can get.
11:31But I don't think anything's going to happen with Kenny Moore until post-draft.
11:34I don't think that would be a pre-draft thing.
11:35And it didn't sound like your report was really glowing.
11:38I'm not a big fan of the player.
11:39As a matter of fact, I think there's cornerbacks and nickel guys that we could take with the pick
11:44you might be sending to the Colts for him and get a cheaper, better player, in my opinion.
11:49I don't think he can run anymore.
11:51I don't think there's a burst.
11:52I don't think, you know, you watch people get behind him.
11:55He doesn't run people down.
11:57Got old.
11:59It's a problem.
11:59I'm passing on that one.
12:01Yeah, I wouldn't be interested in that either.
12:03Katie Drummond, our buddy from the Cowboys Wire from Sports Illustrated, had a fun all
12:08trades.
12:09But this is for veteran players.
12:11Mock draft for the Cowboys.
12:13Ooh.
12:14Yeah.
12:14Picks for players?
12:15Picks for players.
12:16So this would be a bleep them picks.
12:18I'm just going ahead.
12:19I'm getting this shirt thing.
12:20Now, one of them was you're trading both of your ones and you're trading a 20-27-3 to Cleveland
12:25to get Myles Garrett, which is great.
12:29Here's what Dan Graziano had to say on Get Up this morning in regards to a possible Myles
12:34Garrett trade.
12:35Player that Cowboys could consider trying to trade for.
12:39And he's on our screen right now.
12:41Dan, is there any reason to believe the Cleveland Browns will entertain trading defensive player
12:46of the year, Myles Garrett?
12:47There is not.
12:48I think there's a lot of people out there that wonder why not, considering what you
12:51could probably get for him.
12:53But the Browns have been steadfast and adamant that they have no interest in trading Myles
12:57Garrett.
12:58Even last year when he was publicly asking for a trade, they said that, gave him a new
13:03contract.
13:04I think it's more likely that Myles Garrett gets another contract bump from the Browns
13:08this offseason than gets traded.
13:10Wow.
13:12And just after the next five years, just more money.
13:14Stay here.
13:15More money, more money, more money.
13:17The Cowboys do trade in this pick 92, which would make David Hellman very happy, to go
13:23get Jordan Brooks, the linebacker from the Miami Dolphins.
13:26How about fourth round?
13:27You trade up your fourth round pick to go get Marlon Humphrey of the Baltimore Ravens.
13:32Your fifth round pick to go get the corner Kenny Moore from the Colts.
13:35Then in the fifth round, you select Harold Perkins.
13:37In the seventh round, he takes quarterback Talon Green from Arkansas.
13:42A guy.
13:42Which seventh, God.
13:45Your takes?
13:45Your takes in the seventh round?
13:47Let's do it.
13:47You know what?
13:48He'd end up being a great tight end for you.
13:50Maybe.
13:51Yeah.
13:51Gadget guy.
13:52I'll tell you what, man.
13:53Push push guy.
13:53That guy, I think somebody could work with his mechanics.
13:57If they can, then you might be able to get something there.
14:00I just remember that Dak Prescott was terrible throwing the ball until he came to the Cowboys.
14:05Yeah, you can work on some of that stuff.
14:07I mean, if you're an athlete, you need to have the body type.
14:09For a seventh round pick?
14:10He does.
14:11For a seventh round pick, it's why the hell not.
14:13Why the hell not in the seventh round?
14:14You might as well just throw a dart out there.
14:17But I thought that was a fun exercise.
14:19Dak, yeah.
14:20I think Dak was so much better than Talon Green.
14:23But, hey, to each their own.
14:25I don't see it with Talon Green like you do.
14:27But he is a good athlete.
14:28That's for sure.
14:30Now, throw the ball.
14:31Oh, he's got arm talent.
14:34Poor Isaac Teslaw.
14:35That guy could have been a first round pick.
14:37Instead, he goes in, what, like the third.
14:39He couldn't get the ball because the quarterback couldn't throw it to him.
14:43You know what?
14:44Did you ever study Lamar Jackson when he was coming out of Louisville?
14:48Yeah.
14:49Did you see a really accurate quarterback throwing there?
14:52I thought he was a better thrower than what Talon Green is.
14:55I'm not asking you that.
14:56Tell me about him as a thrower.
14:58He wasn't awesome.
14:59He wasn't awesome.
15:00He wasn't accurate.
15:02I thought he was more, yeah.
15:03Really, his mechanics were bad.
15:06Yeah.
15:07I mean, it's similar to like the Joe Milton conversation last year.
15:09And you liked Joe a lot.
15:10I was like, I don't think I would do that with Joe Milton.
15:13You just completely gave up on Joe Milton?
15:15Yeah.
15:17I would not have taken Joe Milton.
15:18You would not have traded for Joe Milton?
15:21No.
15:21You've not done anything for Joe Milton.
15:23What kind of quarterback do you like?
15:25What do you mean, what kind of quarterback do I like?
15:27Give me the quarterback.
15:28Give me the style of quarterback you like.
15:30I mean, in this year's draft, the guy outside of the tops that I would go for might be like
15:36a Haynes King.
15:37I think he's tough as hell.
15:39He also is mobile.
15:40He's got a strong arm.
15:41Does he have warts?
15:42100% he does.
15:43He's not always accurate.
15:44Yeah, absolutely.
15:45But I mean, that's kind of more so like I've seen him elevate a program, right?
15:50Like I think there's some of the stuff with quarterbacks that goes beyond the physical.
15:54Sure.
15:55And it goes with like, okay, do I see you like that?
15:57Like Dak elevated Mississippi State to the number one team in the country, which is really,
16:02really impressive.
16:03Haynes King took a Georgia Tech program that wasn't very good.
16:05And he also had to transfer from A&M where he really struggled at first, but takes them
16:10to competing for an ACC championship game.
16:12But probably got better because he got coached up a little bit, maybe at Georgia Tech.
16:15Sure.
16:16Maybe at A&M.
16:16So hey, if Taylor Greene transferred to a bunch of quarterbacks, it's not like A&M is like
16:23they've had their share of five-star quarterbacks that have gone on to other places.
16:28Yeah, absolutely.
16:28They have.
16:29Yeah.
16:29I mean, Kyler Murray would be one of them.
16:31That ended up being the number one overall pick.
16:32I just, you know, if Taylor Greene transferred, maybe you would have seen a similar thing for
16:36him at Arkansas.
16:36I just, I don't think that he is going to be a quarterback, successful quarterback at the
16:42NFL level.
16:42But there are a lot of things to like in terms of his athleticism, and maybe you can
16:46make packages for him.
16:48I just think, I honestly think with the way that he, the way his size and the way that
16:53he moves around in the pocket and what he could do with his feet, I think that to me, I'm
16:59going
16:59to take a shot at a guy that I could work with his mechanics.
17:02We didn't think, you know, we didn't think, I guess, I shouldn't accuse everybody in this
17:08room.
17:08It's people that didn't like Josh Allen.
17:11And Josh Allen, everybody hates him.
17:12Everybody hated Josh Allen's mechanics.
17:14Got better, right?
17:16No, that was definitely the knock on him was the accuracy.
17:18Yeah, absolutely.
17:20No, I think that we've proven, and Lamar Jackson did elevate Louisville 6'3", 6'8".
17:24I mean, he won a freaking Heisman Trophy.
17:26Like, this is not, there's big differences between a Taylor Greene, who I didn't think
17:31did much for Arkansas at all the last two years.
17:34When you start to talk about athletic ability, mobility, like, there were things that they
17:40had to work on with Lamar Jackson throwing, there's still things they have to work on with
17:44him, throwing the football.
17:46He's not always accurate throwing the ball.
17:48No, he hasn't been, but I just, I thought he was way far more ahead than a Greene is.
17:55I just don't love, Taylor Greene's just not my guy.
17:57You might end up being right about him.
17:59You know, I hope that all, even if I don't like a player, hope they end up being successful.
18:03I would, I think Taylor Greene is going to get a general manager fired if they were to
18:07take him on day two of the draft.
18:09If you take him in the seventh round, you're fine.
18:11Why not?
18:11It's the same thing with Milton.
18:12That's a dart throw.
18:13I'm taking a guy that is super talented physically, and let's see if that can work out.
18:17So you would have taken Josh Allen in the first round because you said the general manager
18:21deserved to be fired.
18:22Well, Josh Allen's not the same evaluation as Taylor Greene is.
18:24I don't think they're even close as players.
18:26I'm just saying, you're saying that.
18:29I'm not saying that at all.
18:30You're saying the general manager, what did you, would you have said the general manager
18:34that takes Josh Allen is going to get fired, should get fired?
18:37No, I never said that.
18:39I just specifically think it of Taylor Greene.
18:42Would you think that?
18:42I think Josh Allen has a much better arm, had a much better arm coming out of Wyoming
18:47than what I've seen from Taylor Greene.
18:48Not accurate, though.
18:49Not very accurate coming out of Wyoming.
18:50I think he was still more accurate than what Taylor Greene is.
18:53I want to see Taylor Greene's routes.
18:56Maybe we'll play him at tight end, wide receiver.
18:58I'm going to get him involved in my QB2 concept.
19:02Yeah, I think he's a really good athlete.
19:03My trick play quarterback.
19:05You don't know if he's going deep or if he's going to throw the bomb.
19:08Right.
19:08Yeah.
19:09Yeah, you got options with a guy like that.
19:10Look for this guy.
19:10Looks like he's got soft hands as well.
19:12I think you're right.
19:13He'd catch it.
19:14I mean, I don't think Arkansas fans are going to be really defending Taylor Greene for what
19:17they saw.
19:18No, no.
19:18They're coming in hot on the text.
19:20They don't like Taylor Greene.
19:21But the thing about Arkansas, if you look at it, they fire their coach and then they
19:25got Bobby Petrino coaching.
19:26There's something to that.
19:28Sometimes players are talented players, but if they get with somebody that can work with
19:34them and help their mechanics.
19:36Like the whole thing with John Kittner helping Dak Prescott.
19:40Oh, yeah.
19:40Sometimes you get with a coach that kind of unlocked.
19:44Joe Brady.
19:45Ken Dorsey.
19:46Ken Dorsey, who's with the Cowboys now, he really unlocked what Josh Allen was doing at
19:52Buffalo.
19:53Yeah, you've got to have the right situation.
19:54I think Josh Allen could have got some GMs fired if it hadn't turned out as good as
20:00it did.
20:01All right.
20:01Thank you, Wulchuk.
20:03Wulchuk is in the books.
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