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Shan, RJ, and Bobby went back Inside The Star and continued their draft discussion with a potential trade-up scenario involving the Cowboys and Browns. They discussed moving up to No. 6, the value of adding a 2nd-round pick, how the board might fall on draft night, and more.
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00:00It's so fun having two picks in the first round.
00:02I have not gotten tired of the trade scenarios, the rumors, the tidbits.
00:08I have contemplated prematurely calling out sick to Mesquite
00:13because I want to sit back and just enjoy it.
00:16I want to take it all in the coverage, the rumors, social media, Twitter.
00:21I'm thinking about giving Reema all the wings and all the drinks
00:26and paying for his transportation, just saying,
00:28and you lock down the Mesquite location without me there.
00:33Oh, my God.
00:33I love it.
00:34I love it so much.
00:35The idea, though, of being there with so many people
00:38and just the energy, if they were to trade up, which I'm against.
00:43I don't want the energy that necessarily trade up.
00:45I don't want the energy of the trade up either,
00:47but the energy of this guy just keeps falling,
00:51and every time there's a pick, the crowd just kind of crescendos and builds, right?
00:56And then like that, it's going to be a night.
00:59It's going to be a night.
01:00When you used to do pregame for the Cowboys games?
01:05Yeah.
01:06Would you stay for the game, or would you just drive home when pregame was done?
01:10Always left.
01:10I'm the only car leaving AT&T Stadium.
01:13It was funny. It was hilarious.
01:14Only car leaving.
01:15I have to race home, watch the end of the first half,
01:19use the halftime to get the first quarter,
01:23and then I'm caught up for the third.
01:25And that was the...
01:27That was the halftime.
01:29I'm with you where, like, I mean, I've got to go to the games,
01:32or I have always found it is infinitely easier to follow games, draft,
01:35whatever else, when you are just isolated somewhere.
01:38Like, it's a stark difference.
01:40I really do listen to the fan coverage.
01:41Just going back, back in the day, I love listening to the fan coverage.
01:45Like, it sucks not having a second-round pick.
01:49Right now, that's going to ruin Friday for me,
01:51so I'm hoping they get into that somehow, someway.
01:55But I really do love sitting back and listening to the fan coverage.
01:58I wouldn't say it. I'm not being fake about it.
02:01I just wouldn't bring it up if I thought it sucked.
02:02But listen to all the different scenarios led by Broadus,
02:05and all right, here are the players, the Cowboy perspective,
02:08looking at the war room throughout the rest of the days.
02:11I can't do the full thing on day three,
02:13just like when John Groom was coaching the Raiders.
02:15But the beginning of it, I'm there for it,
02:18just to hear the reset of it and see who has the stamina left.
02:21But I love it.
02:23I love all the possibilities.
02:25My mom would say, that was your best show of the year.
02:27You're the most excited, you know?
02:29Locked in.
02:30And then Woltzschuk got me kicked off.
02:33Oh, this is good.
02:33Maybe you won't have to sit around all day on day two waiting for a pick, though.
02:38What a segue.
02:39Wow. There we go.
02:39Dane Brugler is obviously connected.
02:42The Beast is out for the draft guide.
02:44Used to do all the work as well for DallasCowboys.com.
02:47But his real, true number one connection has been Cleveland.
02:52And Bobby's starting to hear some Cleveland whispers.
02:54Bobby said something about Kansas City the other day.
02:56This is Dane Brugler on Yahoo yesterday,
03:00talking about a trade-up that I think me and Choppy can get on board with.
03:05So, yeah, because this mock comes out Wednesday.
03:08So, it hasn't even, it's not out there yet.
03:10But I did have picks 12 and 20 going to the Browns at six for picks six and 39.
03:19And so, for the Cowboys, I think it makes sense because they're going up to six to get,
03:26they're not going to wait at 12 and hope the guy they want falls them.
03:28They're going to go up to six and get them.
03:29And then it costs you both first-round picks, but you get back in the second round now
03:35because they didn't have a second, they currently don't have a second-round pick.
03:37And so, I think the player that they could get at 20 isn't all that different
03:41than the player they're going to get at 39.
03:43I think they'll have those guys pretty closely ranked.
03:45And so, in this scenario, going with a guy like Stooks at 39,
03:51I think really helps their secondary from day one.
03:54It's another older player.
03:55Stooks is going to be a 25-year-old rookie, former walk-on.
04:00Someone that's played corner, played safety, but really played his best this past year as a nickel.
04:06Okay. A lot in there.
04:08That's trading Stooks, by the way, the Arizona corner.
04:10Let's start with that.
04:13He's a corner, not a safety?
04:15No corner.
04:15I mean, there are some people who I think believe he could be flexible as a defensive back,
04:19but he's a corner.
04:20Tell me if I'm, like Bobby normally, making way too much of this and overthinking.
04:26Dane said, while describing him, he's another older player.
04:31I thought he said it in a way.
04:33Pei-Pei, go back to just that part of it here in a second.
04:36Is Dane saying this in a way in which it could be a Cowboys preference?
04:41Because you and I have been out on the 25-year-old DN.
04:45Yeah, we have.
04:46Mesidor.
04:47Mesidor.
04:47We've been out on that.
04:48It's way too old.
04:49No.
04:50I need three or four more years.
04:52Is Dane saying this like it could be a Cowboy positive to get an older, more experienced,
05:01maybe more ready-to-win guy right now?
05:03For the Cowboys, I think it makes sense because they're going up to six to get –
05:08they're not going to wait at 12 and hope the guy they want falls to them.
05:11They're going to go up to six and get them.
05:12And then it costs you both first-round picks, but you get back in the second round now
05:17because they didn't have a – they currently don't have a second-round pick.
05:20And so I think the player that they could get at 20 isn't all that different
05:24than the player they're going to get at 39.
05:25I think they'll have those guys pretty closely ranked.
05:28And so in this scenario, going with a guy like Stooks at 39,
05:34I think really helps their secondary from day one.
05:36It's another older player.
05:38Stooks is going to be a 25-year-old rookie from a walk-on.
05:42I'll stop it there.
05:42Could this be something that a team would actually be like,
05:46we want an older player?
05:48Sure.
05:50You never hear that.
05:52I never think of that.
05:53You don't hear that.
05:55When Atlanta drafted Calvin Ridley, he was like, what, 24, Bobby?
05:58Yeah.
05:59And there was a lot of talk about –
06:01Terrence Newman was 25.
06:02Yeah.
06:03I'll say this, but I've never heard – I would love to ask Will McClay.
06:07Has there ever been a time when you're like, I want the older guy?
06:12Yeah, if you have a three-year window.
06:15You know, if you're not looking for 10 years.
06:17And –
06:18I don't think just in a vacuum you would just say, like, typically,
06:22I want the older person just because.
06:24Like, naturally, it might be tied to being better prepared because of you being around a while.
06:31But I don't think just – if there was a 22-year-old as prepared as the 25-year-old,
06:35I think they would want the 22-year-old.
06:36So I don't know that they would seek it out like that.
06:39And consider this.
06:39I mean –
06:40Is it too much for me to text Dane and say, have you heard or do you know that the
06:43Cowboys
06:43are actually looking for more age and experience?
06:46I don't think it's too much to ask.
06:49You know, you can ask him.
06:50He doesn't have to respond.
06:51Yeah, he will.
06:52Or I won't tell him any more about briskets.
06:54Yeah, right.
06:55Consider this.
06:56I mean, you know, we see it in college.
06:59The teams that win are the teams that have the 22-, 23-year-olds.
07:02Indiana, you know, was a team full of 23-year-olds.
07:06And, you know, the Packers' average age is 25.
07:10Now, that's because we know there's a difference between a 22-year-old and an 18-year-old.
07:14Now, is there also – is that same difference there in a 24-year-old than a 21-year-old?
07:22Right?
07:23Like, if – it makes sense, there would be.
07:26Now, you're going to get a shorter back end.
07:29But if the trend is going that way and you're comfortable and you're not looking for 10 years,
07:35maybe they're not.
07:37Maybe as a team they're not looking for 10 years.
07:39You know?
07:41And this is – I mean, you have to go much deeper.
07:43Like, maybe Jerry's looking at it like, well, I don't know if I'm going to be here in 10 years.
07:47So, I don't care.
07:48Maybe he's like, I don't care about that.
07:51GMs – and this is one thing people will talk about.
07:55You know, when you start drafting, the Browns – was it the Browns that brought up the trade and picks
07:58further down the road?
07:59Yeah, five years.
08:00Yeah, if you trade a pick five years from now, you're the GM.
08:03You're like, I'm not going to be here.
08:04Chance – 80% chance I'm fired.
08:06That's somebody else's problem to worry about, not mine.
08:10So, their goal might just be win now.
08:12Unless you hit.
08:12Yeah.
08:13And then it's your problem.
08:14So, that's interesting.
08:15But if you hit on the quarterback, then, you know, you're less worried about it.
08:18If that is the trade –
08:2012-20 for 6-39 with Cleveland.
08:23If that is the exact compensation, Dallas wins that on the trade chart by, like, I think a couple hundred
08:28points.
08:29And so, that would just be the only thing that you'd have to make sure.
08:34Now, if it's accurate, like we were talking about earlier, where Breer says there's four teams that want to go
08:38back ahead of Dallas, and nobody sounds like they want to come up, and then Dallas is the only one.
08:43Five teams.
08:44Yeah, and then Dallas is the only one.
08:46That sounds like buyer's market a little bit, and that you'd have to accept it.
08:50Dallas, when they flipped with the Lions a couple years ago for the Guyton pick, Dallas won that on the
08:55trade chart by, I think, 200 points, which is not totally normal to win by that significant amount where you're
09:01having that flip.
09:03Kevin Spittle says that Steven Jones is on the K&C Masterpiece today.
09:06They can ask him, like, can you recall an instance when you said, give me the older guy, even if
09:13it costs you less years because they come in more prepared and ready and experienced?
09:19Hmm.
09:20Interesting.
09:20Because that goes against everything I've ever thought about any draft.
09:24I think Dane's right, though, on the point that he had there about 12-6.
09:29I think the Cowboys do believe 12-6 is a greater gap between the players than 20-39.
09:35Yeah.
09:35I think they think that that's sizable.
09:38And so, I mean, if I said there were two...
09:41I'm in on that, by the way.
09:42I was going to say, so...
09:44If I'm worried...
09:45The thing I'm worried about, I just want the Cowboys to read it all out correctly.
09:49I don't want them to get taken or tricked.
09:53I don't want them to get fooled by someone and being like, we think Downs is going there.
09:58We think Delane is going off the board.
10:02We think this.
10:03We think that.
10:03I just don't want them to overpay.
10:06And then in the post-draft pressure that we're going to air right here on the station, you know, we
10:10start thinking to ourselves,
10:12ah, did they get swindled?
10:14Because in my mind, going back to the Micah thing, I have it in my mind that they're going to
10:20get out-negotiated
10:21or they're going to get tricked a little bit.
10:22So, I just hope they read it correctly.
10:24And they're like, all right, we think he's not going to make it to 12.
10:27So, let's go ahead and give up the extra capital.
10:30And I don't want to be bitter about that.
10:32All these trade-up scenarios we've been doing recently have the Cowboys winning the deal.
10:36And I'm just pre-programmed to believe that that's not reality.
10:40So, what if the, if I were to say they have these options on the table, you could go, let's
10:48say you go to six for, you get six and 39 for 12 and 20.
10:55Yeah.
10:55You can go to nine, three spots, and you probably lose somebody.
11:00Now, real quick, who's in play for me to go to six?
11:07Okay, so let me assign each player.
11:10Yeah, go ahead.
11:11Nine, you go up to nine, and you trade 12 and 20 for 9 and 29.
11:17And going up to nine, you get, let's say, Delane there.
11:21Okay.
11:22You go up to six, and you get six and 39 for 12 and 20.
11:26And going up to six, you're getting Stiles.
11:30You go up to three, and you're giving up 12, 20, and 92.
11:36Right.
11:37And you're getting Reese or Bailey.
11:39What about Downs?
11:40Well, I know you like Downs a lot, so I was taking him out of the equation, so that'd be
11:44harder for you.
11:45Yeah.
11:45Downs, I would imagine, would be nine.
11:46Like, would people look at it sideways if you moved up to six for Downs?
11:51Um, maybe.
11:52Or we're like, okay, nine, we get.
11:54We want to jump Cincinnati.
11:56There's six.
11:57You know, get your guy.
11:59I can hear Broadus right now.
12:00He's already texted me this morning about crapping on fifth-round picks.
12:04He's like, don't disrespect fifth-round picks.
12:05No, disrespect them.
12:07I'm joking, but Broadus was hitting me up.
12:09Yeah, I think going up to six, and unless Kansas City just doesn't want to play ball with you,
12:14they decide that they want to stand in and pick.
12:15That could be part of it.
12:18But, you know what I mean?
12:19Like, if you're like, all right, they gave up, what, for a safety at six?
12:23I know, go get the guy you're in love with that you feel like could be the captain of your
12:26defense.
12:27But I don't know.
12:28I was like, who would have to be there for you to make that jump, and you'd feel great about
12:31it?
12:33Yeah.
12:34Like, Delaney at six feels rich.
12:36Yeah, I don't think Delaney's going.
12:39And then we're talking about a linebacker at six, which, again, pre-programmed.
12:42I'm like, he better be Fred Warner.
12:45He better be Fred.
12:46Broadus.
12:47I don't even care if he's Fred.
12:48Oh, I do.
12:49I don't care if he's Ray Lewis.
12:50Oh, well, that.
12:51Please stop talking.
12:52Please stop.
12:52I ain't going.
12:53I ain't going.
12:53I ain't going.
12:54Please stop.
12:55Look, you don't think Ray Lewis is worth the sixth pick in the draft?
13:00No, I do think he's worth the sixth pick.
13:02I don't think he's worth trading.
13:03I'm not trading up.
13:05I'm not trading up for a linebacker.
13:07I'm just not.
13:07If 20 and 39 are basically the same player, you wouldn't go out?
13:12You wouldn't go out to six for Ray Lewis?
13:14You said it is.
13:16You said it's a crapshoot.
13:17You said we've been shown that when you pick anywhere in the top 50,
13:21it's a 20 to 39 is the same tier this year.
13:25Supposedly.
13:26So this is the largest second round grade.
13:30Dane has 14 firsts.
13:32And he felt like.
13:33And 50 seconds?
13:34And he felt like he could.
13:35I don't know how many seconds.
13:36I felt like he really had 12, but he loved Makai Lemon's tape so much.
13:41He's like, normally I wouldn't probably have him as a first.
13:44He's like, I fudge probably two of them.
13:46So he probably has 12 first round grades.
13:48The only one I would do is the 12 of 20 for the 9 of 29.
13:53I have to have two firsts.
13:55Let's have to have two firsts this year.
13:57Because you want the fifth year option?
13:58Not because of the positioning of 39 versus 29.
14:03No, the fifth year option.
14:03I want the fifth year.
14:05It's a smart cap.
14:07And then you're getting a player.
14:08Theoretically, you're getting 10 slots of opportunity to not miss out on somebody.
14:14Dane texted me back about the experience.
14:16I think they want day one contributors so similar to what you're saying with the age.
14:21Versatility is also key.
14:22So I'm hoping that Dane's fine with me reading that on the air.
14:27Thank you, Dane Brugler.
14:28Well, I know we've got it at 840 today.
14:32A little bit more about David Bailey.
14:34But when I clipped Bailey yesterday for you, because I don't know how much you had seen Bailey yet.
14:40Because he's been out of range, and so I hadn't bothered doing much on him.
14:43Was that something that you looked at and went, I would go up to three to get him?
14:46Or were you like, not good enough that I would sacrifice that much capital?
14:49Let's talk about 840.
14:51But I was very, very interested in watching.
14:55Very interested.
14:56Dane Brugler with Yahoo.
14:58That's his possible trade-up scenario with Cleveland.
15:00What about the Cowboys who are just sticking and picking at 12?
15:04I mean, to the Cowboys sitting at 12, they might be stuck in a spot where, you know, it's Venga
15:09Yawane.
15:11And, you know, some good players there.
15:14But, you know, we did this last year where they were kind of, they struck out.
15:16And so they went with Tyler Booker, who, really good player, upgrades their offensive line.
15:21But I don't think it was option A, B, or C with who they were hoping would fall to them.
15:25And so this is a team with a win-now window.
15:29And I won't be surprised at all if they get aggressive to maybe make sure they get, whether it's Sonny
15:35Styles, Caleb Downs, one of these pass rushers, whoever it may be.
15:38And won't be surprised at all if they're a little aggressive to make sure they go get him.
15:43Hear the way he was talking about the Booker pick?
15:46It sounded like he was kind of describing, this isn't trying to be insulting to Tyler, but they had to
15:51settle for Booker versus someone else they wanted a lot more.
15:56I remember I was talking to somebody about Booker leading up to the pick.
16:00What'd you say?
16:01Worked out.
16:01Well, leading up to the pick, I was talking to somebody about Booker and it was like, they obviously liked
16:06Tett McMillan, for instance.
16:08They wanted him to get down to them.
16:09They were hoping they could take him.
16:11I'm sure there was, I can't remember offhand.
16:14I think there was another guy in the top 10 who was like, yeah, it'd be great if he slid
16:16to us.
16:17If they didn't get that guy to slide to them, either one of them, then they were like, hey, Booker,
16:24we just, we feel good about him.
16:25Like, we know who he is.
16:27There's not questions.
16:28It's safe.
16:28It's secure.
16:29It's, you know, you're getting a good player.
16:31So that's the big thing to them is that, yeah, I think that in a way it's settling, but it's
16:35also settling into comfort of like, he's going to be good.
16:38We know he's going to be good and we know who he is.
16:40And then finally, Dane talking about that linebacker need for Christian Parker's D.
16:46They're interesting because I like, they need a linebacker in a big way.
16:50Like, I don't know that there's someone on the roster right now.
16:52They feel 100% comfortable wearing that green dot.
16:55And so, okay, do we go get a Sonny Styles?
16:57How do we feel about Jacob Rodriguez?
16:59You know, but we don't have that second round pick.
17:01So when we take a linebacker at 20, if we don't get Styles at 12.
17:06So there's just a lot of different ways they could attack this.
17:09And I think that's what makes the Cowboys one of the more interesting teams on Thursday night of the draft,
17:15just to see their plan and how aggressive they get.
17:19Bobby, who is the linebacker from Cincinnati?
17:23Jake Golday.
17:23Jake Golday, Albert Breer says, another one to watch.
17:27He's a converted edge rusher who has tested off the charts and has great instincts at the position.
17:33Yeah.
17:33And I think, yeah, if they were 20s, probably too rich.
17:38But, yeah, if they were to flip and go, let's say, 6-39.
17:41They got 6-39 from the Browns.
17:43I would think 6 is then going to be downs or somebody.
17:48Maybe Styles slides.
17:50But if it's not Styles and it's downs, then at that point at 39, I think they're looking at it
17:54and going, yeah, Jake Golday would be near the top of their list of guys they would want to pick
17:58there.
17:58And he's a long, athletic, real Lipson.
18:03He reminds me a lot of him.
18:04Just the same sort of length and a lot of similar stuff on tape.
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