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00:00So, uh, people's eyes, can we open up our minds a little bit here?
00:04Let's go.
00:05Cause if the draft ain't that great, doesn't that mean you should open up your doors to
00:11perception a little bit?
00:12I hate to steal something from Rayman Zarek.
00:14Rayman Zarek or Rayman?
00:16I hate to steal it from someone from the doors.
00:19Open up the doors to perception a little bit.
00:21Shouldn't you be a little bit more open-minded if it's not that great of a draft?
00:26I'm serious.
00:26Like the, I turned into for a day and I was like, no, I didn't want to draft Jeremiah
00:31I love.
00:32I think that was coach Lance, but I don't want to put any words in his mouth.
00:35I'm just open-minded to everybody.
00:37And the draft is supposed to be not great.
00:39I think we have to change exactly what we're, what we're looking for.
00:43I think we become, we, we close in the, we close in the walls a little bit.
00:47We become more tunnel vision because we want to make sure we specify somebody with talent.
00:51I go, well, wait a minute.
00:52I think we need to specify somebody that we, we maybe trust.
00:56We need to get somebody that maybe has a clean sheet when it comes to, you know, what they
01:01do as far as their talent, their work ethic, as far as being a football player.
01:06You know, I, and I'm not even talking about off field stuff, like off field stuff, depending
01:09on what it's been in the past.
01:11I think we can have that conversation we have in the past.
01:14It's not even just about that.
01:15It's just about, Hey, do I trust this guy that he is going to become a starter for me?
01:20Doesn't need to become a hall of famer, not in this draft.
01:23Doesn't need to become that way, but, but definitely needs to become a starter for me.
01:26And I, and I think that we're kind of closing it up to like, well, we can't take this guy.
01:30Why can't we take him?
01:31He's a talented football player.
01:33Cause guys, I'm not sure.
01:35I think a lot of us quietly, quietly want to move out of six fair.
01:42I think that's a fair point.
01:43I got to get somebody to trade up with me though.
01:45And if no one's willing to trade up with me right now, another team in this, in this
01:50draft that is like universally considered, you know, kind of poor compared to some other
01:55drafts, especially next year's draft.
01:57Like you got another team has to salivate over a guy that you're like, eh.
02:03So I can say, I could sit here and tell you trade down, trade down, trade down.
02:09If I can't find anybody really to trade down with, I guess I might have to make my decision
02:14here.
02:15And I think we need to be open-minded about the decision.
02:17I think that anybody with talent is going to be able to help out this team.
02:21Like there's been a couple of guys like Ty Simpson.
02:23Yes, I have crossed that off because he is a totally different set of circumstances.
02:28That is an investment on investment on investment.
02:31And I see what happens in 2027, the way a lot of you guys do.
02:34I'm willing to let it ride for 2026.
02:36We'll see where this goes.
02:37Some people disagree.
02:38That's perfectly fine.
02:39I can understand where they disagree on it.
02:41When it comes to the other players as well, Monroe Freeling's just a little too rich for
02:45my blood at six because of what he hasn't been able to prove yet.
02:49Second, second half of the season early or second half of the season riser still
02:53a younger guy.
02:54You talked me out of him.
02:55Well, because there's so many things that he has to do to be able to be that type of
03:00player.
03:00And I just think it's six right now.
03:02It's a little bit too high.
03:03You have a mix of great players.
03:06They're like, can I, I just look at myself and go, can I see myself screaming and yelling
03:11and ranting and raving the day after the draft?
03:13If they draft this guy, this guy, this guy, the only one I could see it as even like if
03:17they took Ty Simpson, I would go, I strongly disagree with the decision that they've made.
03:22Even if they were to do that and they're not going to draft Ty Simpson a number six
03:25overall, I'm just using my most likely oblique scenario here.
03:30But when it comes to anybody else like Jeremiah Love, I'm not going to be cussing them out
03:33if they were to take Jeremiah Love.
03:35And that seems to be heresy for a lot of fans out there considering you took two running
03:38backs last year.
03:39And we say, well, that's not good roster construction.
03:41It would not be good roster construction.
03:43Had you not had the number six overall pick and it was a great draft, that would make sense.
03:50But if I got to come away with a talented football player, just because a different guy might
03:54fit doesn't mean he's going to be a really good football player.
03:57I just don't like how much fans I think have been a little bit more open-minded than a lot
04:02of us.
04:03A lot of us have just closed our minds on a lot of this.
04:05And I don't understand why.
04:08I'm open.
04:08You know, I have my concerns about Monroe Freeling.
04:11I'm still open about him.
04:13I have my concerns about, yes, obviously running backs with Jeremiah Love, the premium of the
04:18position, how you can get guys to be good players for you in other spots in the draft at that
04:23position.
04:24Certainly, I feel the same way a lot of people do.
04:26But I'm not closing it off because of the way this draft is.
04:30And I think we need to be more open-minded.
04:32Like, I just don't know how there's a player people will not consider at number six overall.
04:38Not considered.
04:38The only one I won't say is Ty Simpson.
04:40And I can understand if a person disagrees with me on that.
04:42Yeah, yeah, yeah.
04:43Because it's still a quarterback.
04:44I have zero interest in Ty Simpson at number six and even 20.
04:48I wouldn't want him at all in the first round.
04:51Well, if he were still there in the second round or something like that, because I told
04:54you I got a weird feeling about the second round on that Friday morning, and maybe we'll
04:57have that discussion about Friday morning.
04:58I would still feel the same way on Friday morning.
05:00I probably feel on Thursday morning before round one.
05:03But, you know, we'll see where it goes.
05:04I just don't find that there's a name that I'm like, absolutely not.
05:08No, get rid of him.
05:09No, you can't have this guy without a shadow.
05:11Like, even the defensive ends.
05:13You know, David Bailey, Reuben Bain.
05:15Like, okay, let's, it would certainly be a surprise, but let's discuss it.
05:20And I'm not saying that to sort of drop any hints.
05:23I understand what we were getting texted on Friday.
05:26Well, I said.
05:26I'm sure that's going to get brought up at 8 o'clock.
05:28They tweeted out that Bailey was actually one of the visits.
05:32He was, yes.
05:33Into Cleveland.
05:33And it wasn't really reported.
05:35It was weird, because some of them, I know that Mary Kay and Daryl, they have kind of
05:40put up the unofficial list of visits.
05:44And the Bailey one was interesting, because most people don't think he's even going to
05:46be available by number six.
05:48But why, why would the Browns even, quote unquote, waste a visit?
05:54Well, like you just said, it wouldn't be a waste of a visit.
05:56No.
05:56They're going to, they're going to think, well, I've just been all along thinking, and
06:01I think most Browns fans have been thinking, hey, it's either going to be a wide receiver
06:04or offensive lineman at number six.
06:06I felt, and I felt the same way myself, yes.
06:08But that, you know, you still have to do your due diligence on everybody, including pass
06:14rushers.
06:15Yes.
06:17It's, it's number six overall.
06:19It's still a premium spot.
06:20You know, for a fact, if they were to go like pass rusher.
06:23People would lose their mind.
06:24People would lose their mind.
06:25Well, why would they lose their mind?
06:26Well, they'd draw another conclusion, too.
06:28There'd be another, there'd be a whole nother discussion that we'd be having.
06:31They would assume, what, that another shoe is going to drop with the Miles Garrett stuff,
06:33right?
06:33Obviously, yes.
06:34Wait, we got to, we got to start to think about that.
06:36Like, what.
06:37I don't want to think about it.
06:38What that reaction would be.
06:40I don't want to think about that.
06:40If the Browns, who desperately need offensive line.
06:43No, I don't want to think about that.
06:44Desperately need wide receiver.
06:45However, if they went, not just defense, not just like Caleb Downs, pass rusher, or somebody
06:52that's an edge at number six overall, I think, I think we go in on Friday and lead the show
06:59with is Miles Garrett still going to be a Cleveland Brown after June or whenever, you
07:04know, after the June deadline or whatever, where everybody says Miles makes more sense
07:09to trade him after June.
07:10Just because I'm uncomfortable talking about it right now doesn't mean you're wrong.
07:12Well, you said you were done talking about it.
07:13I know, but I got to have a conversation with you at some point, don't I?
07:17Like, I can't just sit here and say no to you at all turns and that's it.
07:20Like, you're saying what if they did?
07:22You're not saying that they're going to do it and that this is the way it is.
07:25But I think a lot of us would feel that if they were to take, like, if David Bailey
07:28were there at six, I could sit here and spin myself in circles and go, oh, he's the best
07:31overall player available.
07:32This, that, and the other.
07:33And a lot of people going, Kenny, come on, you're lying to yourself.
07:35We got to see where this other shoe is going to drop.
07:37So I can't, I'm not going to lie to everybody else and say that I wouldn't feel that way.
07:42I know how I would feel.
07:43And if they were to take David Bailey and go, hey, he's a fabulous player.
07:46Also, oh my God, what's going to happen here over the next couple of days or over the next
07:50couple of months here after June or anything like that?
07:53Like, what's going to happen here?
07:54Like, I would be feeling that way.
07:56I'd be nervous about it if they took him.
07:58So that's another conversation.
08:00But I don't, because I'm, I don't want to have that conversation, doesn't mean I should
08:04be afraid to have that conversation and not take this guy because he may be the best available
08:09at number six overall.
08:10Or if they were to take, like, I know you, you guys have the 10th spot, right?
08:14Kansas City?
08:15Nine.
08:15Nine.
08:16Ninth overall.
08:17Nine?
08:17I understand the story just came out over the weekend that people found out about Reuben
08:20Bain.
08:21If they wanted to have a conversation about Reuben Bain and they took him at six overall because
08:25already David Bailey was gone.
08:26Again, I just want to have an open mind to this instead of just, this can't happen.
08:31This can't happen.
08:32This can't happen.
08:32Because I think if we're slamming doors on ourselves, we're going to talk ourselves in
08:35a not a great situation.
08:36I still need to find good players that are available for this team.
08:41And there's names out there that we haven't talked a lot just because of the positions
08:44they play.
08:45We have not talked very much Arvel Reese whatsoever.
08:47And there may be, there's obviously good reasons why we wouldn't talk a lot about Arvel
08:52Reese.
08:52But if he were there at six, it needs to, he needs to be considered.
08:55We haven't talked, we've talked a little bit about Carnell Tate.
08:58Obviously we've talked a little bit about Jeremiah Love.
09:00Obviously there's other offensive linemen, you'll see, C.C.
09:03Malanoa, Spencer for no, obviously Monroe Freeling has been brought up where there's
09:07a lot of people who like him.
09:08Like, I just don't want to turn off any conversation, even where I'm saying no to
09:12Ty Simpson.
09:13We've had the conversation because he still plays a premium position and you need that
09:18premium position for your football team.
09:20So I just don't want to be to me when a, when a draft looks like it's drier.
09:26Then other drafts.
09:27If this looks like this is looking more like 2013 instead of some of the great 2017, I
09:35should say, or 2018, that draft.
09:37If it's looking more like 2013 instead of 2018, that means I still need to open up my
09:42mind.
09:43Because if there's more great top end talent, that means I can really hone in on a guy and
09:48say, this is a guy that's going to make a difference for my football team.
09:51I need to open it up and say, I need talent.
09:55And even if it might not be in the offensive side of the ball, even if he plays a position
09:59we feel that we've already filled, it doesn't matter.
10:02I still need to have that conversation.
10:04I need to be open-minded about it.
10:05Because I was thinking about it yesterday because your words did resonate with me over the weekend
10:09where you kept, well, around every turn, you kept saying, well, talented football players.
10:15Don't we want talented football players?
10:16You kept saying it and saying it and saying it.
10:18And I said, well, it's interesting.
10:20If you were a football team and you just drafted best player available every single year, every
10:26single draft pick, how would that team end up looking?
10:29Would it be an unbalanced team?
10:31Or because there's so many talented, quote, talented football players, would it work out
10:36in the end?
10:37Honestly, it depends.
10:38It depends on who you have playing the most important position.
10:40Like, I don't think anybody says the Jets didn't take very talented players.
10:44But New Orleans, they cycle through coaches.
10:47Exactly.
10:47The Saints had that epic draft.
10:48They cycle through coaches.
10:50They cycle through general managers.
10:51Why?
10:52Because they don't have the right people at the very biggest positions or the very best
10:56position.
10:57They don't have it.
10:58So they tend to cycle through it.
10:59So I could always say best player available.
11:01But then if you're staring down the barrel of a quarterback, what are you going to do?
11:04And I think in so many ways, we thought we were doing that with us.
11:08But I think that conversation, and rightfully so, because I think it would be a mistake.
11:11I think that that conversation has changed here over the last couple of months.
11:152-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
11:16Well, are there players you will absolutely not consider for this Browns football team?
11:21Or are there players that we haven't spoken a lot that we need to be talking about?
11:25Because you agree with me, we should be open-minded about this draft.
11:29All right, Tone, take it away.
11:30I have an interesting nugget for you.
11:32Is that right?
11:33You don't remember?
11:34No.
11:34You got a 30-piece nugget.
11:36Yeah, we were just talking about that.
11:38That was an interesting food hack.
11:39You don't remember what we were talking about at 8 o'clock?
11:43You'll have to refresh.
11:44Are you really serious?
11:50What did I say I didn't want to talk about last night?
11:52Miles?
11:53Yes.
11:54Yeah?
11:54And what did you say?
11:55And I go, are you willing to talk about that on the radio?
11:58And you said, yes.
11:59And I said, are you willing to talk about it at 8 o'clock?
12:02And you said, absolutely.
12:02I said, it would be a great time to talk about it before Daryl.
12:05You don't remember the text you got?
12:10I remember some text I got that you got last week.
12:12Are you effing with me?
12:13No, I'm not.
12:18We had this conversation, did we not, Owen?
12:22Pretty sure we had this conversation.
12:23Okay, thank you.
12:24Usually I'm the one who's stoned.
12:26This is ridiculous.
12:27This is ridiculous.
12:30You told me somebody tech, you're playing stupid because you just wanted to come out
12:35of my mouth.
12:36He's playing stupid because he wants to come out of my mouth.
12:38I'd like you to share with the audience.
12:41You bet.
12:42Okay, fine.
12:42I'll say it because you're not going to do it.
12:44One of us has to get moving along here.
12:45I just like it when the aggregators take Ken's words like they did all weekend.
12:50Oh, my God.
12:50I hate you.
12:50And it was a thing of beauty to see.
12:52That's why you did this.
12:52Because there are like seven dedicated Browns blogs and podcasts that they literally take
13:00the transcript.
13:01I don't even know if they listen to us.
13:02They take the transcript and it just means something more when it comes out of Ken's mouth
13:08as opposed to when it comes out of my mouth.
13:10So when they see Ken Korman got a text about the future of Miles Garrett, well, then everybody
13:18reacted to it over the weekend.
13:20Everybody.
13:21And I got to tell you, it's a relief because normally it's Lima and then I hate Lima.
13:29Lima drags down the show.
13:30When is Ken going to tell Lima to pack his bags and get rid of them?
13:35Never.
13:36He's the only man who drags the unvarnished truth out of me.
13:39If I were alone, it would be okay, Kenny.
13:41What do you really think?
13:42And that would be 90% of the show because you guys know I'm too much of a softy and
13:47I'm
13:47too much of a soft ass to tell you the truth.
13:49Oh, it's not just said like, yep, that's exactly why suck.
13:52That's exactly why the show works because I'm so I don't want to tell him bad news.
13:56Let me talk around the issue for 20 minutes.
13:58Just like we are right now.
14:00Have it come out of your mouth because I didn't realize you wanted to come out of my mouth.
14:02So, okay.
14:03It will come out of my mouth.
14:04So, for all the aggregators out there, Ken Carman of 92.3 The Fan says that Anthony Lima
14:10also received texts over this weekend, but they were different and even more on point
14:16about what would happen with the future of the Browns two-time defensive player of the
14:21year.
14:22That's a Ken Carman classic.
14:24Well, if he's going to find a way to talk around it, I sure as hell am.
14:27So, get to the point of it.
14:29Tell everybody what's going to happen and when it's going to happen.
14:31Once we flip the calendar to June, which is a big month for both of our households.
14:35Tell them all.
14:36As you know, a lot of birthdays.
14:37Oh, too many birthdays.
14:38A lot of birthdays.
14:39There are four birthdays between.
14:40No, five.
14:41There's a ton of post-June first birthdays.
14:44Depending on your calendar, yeah.
14:46That's a great point, yeah.
14:47Which one do you observe?
14:48And in his household, too.
14:48But that all of the boxes that need to have check marks, one by one by one, that they would
14:58all lead to miles getting dealt after June.
15:02And as much as...
15:04I did not receive this text.
15:05You did.
15:05And as much as people don't want to hear it about whether or not it's first that contract
15:10restructure, which was different from the Deshaun Watson contract restructure.
15:13That every time there was a Deshaun Watson restructure, they didn't even need to call
15:18Deshaun's agent.
15:19They didn't even need to talk to Deshaun.
15:21They didn't need to do any of that stuff.
15:22They could just go and do it.
15:24It was part of the contract that was signed.
15:26Miles' case, they needed to have both parties together in a room to figure it out.
15:33Then Todd Munkin gets hired.
15:34It wasn't the coach that Miles Garrett wanted.
15:37That was Jim Schwartz.
15:39He lobbied.
15:39He campaigned for Jim Schwartz.
15:42Obviously, since then, it was Todd Munkin.
15:45And regardless of how you feel about that, it wasn't the guy that Miles Garrett wanted.
15:49And the two haven't been in the same room since he got hired because you had the voluntary
15:54work that they got in this week.
15:56Miles didn't show up for that.
15:57I know he doesn't show up every year, but we've had notable players around the NFL that
16:00don't normally show up to that stuff.
16:02They showed up because there was a new coach.
16:04Case in point, Lamar Jackson with Jesse Minter in Baltimore.
16:08So that came up.
16:09And that now, along with the Browns maybe wanting to change the rules so that you could get 17
16:16first-round picks if you so chose to have that situation transpire.
16:23You know, that one didn't obviously get past the beginning talking stages.
16:28But you start adding all this stuff up, and it leads to what?
16:31But that it's not as far-fetched as we might have previously thought that after June,
16:36Miles Garrett might not be a Cleveland Brown anymore.
16:38So to me, talking about Miles Garrett, it's like talking about death.
16:42Like, I don't think, like, one day we're all going to be dead.
16:45It doesn't mean we have to sit here and talk about dying every damn day of the year.
16:49And someday, I don't think that Miles Garrett is going to be a Cleveland Brown.
16:53Doesn't mean I need to sit here and wonder when it's going to happen every damn day of the year.
16:58That's where I'm at on it.
17:01But, see, now this is what sucks, is that we were talking about David.
17:04I mentioned David Bailey earlier in the show, and people are going to start drawing conclusions
17:08going, well, I'm trying to soften the blow.
17:11I don't know if there's a blow to soften.
17:12I think that the majority of the fan base out there, what will happen is, is that when
17:17they do, when they, if they make a move, right?
17:19You're saying that you got texted something about post-June, all right?
17:22So, say it happens in June, or, when did the Micah Parsons trade go down?
17:27That was July?
17:28Yeah, it was like July, I think.
17:29Maybe, no, it would have been August.
17:31It was late.
17:32Yeah, it was late.
17:32That's all about the dead cap hit.
17:34So, yeah.
17:35And if, like, guys, if this were to happen, it just, it torpedoes everything for this year.
17:40And it makes me think some really weird things about the future of this franchise for this
17:46year and the years to come.
17:48Because, you know, all those conversations about where, I'm sorry, go ahead on.
17:52August 28th.
17:53I thought it was late.
17:55Yeah, hell, I thought it was late.
17:56Because I remember sitting in my truck before football practice going, oh, God, I got to
17:59get back in my truck, and I got to talk to people about this.
18:01Hold on.
18:03So, when that happens, and I'm just going to say when, I'm sure eventually we'll get there.
18:12When it happens, and if it were to happen this year, but when it happens, well, when
18:17it happens some other day, maybe it won't be that way.
18:18But if it were to happen this summer, it kills any momentum for this year.
18:23I think it tells the fan base, and it certainly tells the players, like, he ain't good.
18:28And then I have to wonder about Andrew Barry's future, which I think a lot of people just
18:32feel that's over, and I would have to wonder about, oh, God, I don't want to sit there
18:37and wonder about a first-year head coach's future, but yeah, that would, once you trade
18:42Miles Garrett, that's going to be something that everybody has in the back of their minds.
18:46Like, this has serious ramifications for the season, and then it has serious ramifications
18:50for the future of Browns football, because that's all we do is trade for the future for
18:54good ideas.
18:55They just never come to fruition.
18:57With the exception of one time, and then that fizzled out on us, and we traded him, and
19:01we made the worst deal possible.
19:03Go ahead, Owen.
19:03What were you going to say?
19:04Well, I was just going to say, like, Micah Parsons' trade, a lot of these big trades are
19:09because of, it's a lot to do with money, right?
19:11Yes.
19:11Well, he's already got the money, although he's no longer the highest-paid defensive
19:15player or non-quarterback in the league.
19:18Yeah.
19:19Micah Parsons eclipsed that, but, like, usually that's what it's about, right?
19:24It's a money thing, and you set out, and then Micah Parsons missed camp, and this is,
19:30it would be really out of left field if they traded Myles Garrett, other than all the signs.
19:37If you pay attention to the signs, the signs are all telling you something's happening,
19:40right?
19:41Well, because there's plenty of people out there.
19:43Like, I don't think the fans, for this year it would suck, but I think there'd be a lot
19:47of fans who immediately would be shocked, maybe even outraged.
19:50And then I think, like, this is something that happens, if it happens, it happens at
19:55five in the afternoon or wherever, and then we think that there's going to be this slew
19:58of people losing their minds at 6 a.m., and they're just not.
20:02They're just not.
20:03Because the haul you get for him is something that probably is unrealistic, probably something
20:07that hasn't been done for a defensive end.
20:08Like, I would have to think, if you're going to do this, like, again, your general manager
20:12ain't going to be around after this year then.
20:14Your head coach, there's a possibility he wouldn't be around.
20:17Like, guys, I'm not trying to give you fear porn.
20:20I'm trying to tell you what the truth is.
20:21Like, this has serious consequences to the 2026 campaign.
20:26And if you think that they're not going to do much in 2026 anyway, then I'm sure you're
20:29not terribly bothered by it.
20:30And I'm sure a lot of fans out there, by the end of it, would not be terribly bothered
20:34by it, going, hey, what's the position we need more than anything?
20:38This is a year that's supposed to have plenty of them out there.
20:41We're going to have more capital to go with than we thought we had before.
20:44We're going to be able to do a lot of things in this draft that we didn't
20:46and think we were going to be able to do previously.
20:48So the hit will be a hit, but it won't be as long-term of a hit as what we've
20:53had
20:53in the past.
20:54And that's where I think a lot of fans are on.
20:57Like, if you were to sit there and yell all day about trading Miles Garrett, I don't
21:01think you would get some people going, stop talking about it.
21:03It's ridiculous to talk about it.
21:05But they ain't saying no way on earth.
21:07There's a difference.
21:09So considering what I was texted on Friday, considering what you, you just wanted me to
21:15say it for aggregation, what you were texted over the weekend.
21:19It just seems to be a lot of smoke.
21:20It's something that we got to be, it's something that maybe, yes, I do have to pay attention
21:23to.
21:24I just don't want to sit there and talk about it every damn day of the year.
21:27No, I know.
21:27You don't want to put the fans through that.
21:29I still think it's very hard to pull off.
21:30I mean, what you're going to get back is something that's probably never happened before.
21:33What you would demand back is something that's probably never happened.
21:36Well, and here's the bizarre twist in all of this.
21:38Like we keep talking about, you know, the first round picks they would get.
21:42And, you know, I understand people that love the Browns and love seeing Miles Garrett on
21:48even on a bad team, but it's something to root for.
21:50And he just sets the sack record and he was amazingly entertaining this year, as dominant
21:53a season as we've ever seen in the modern NFL history from a defensive player.
22:01They are like almost too good with him because he is so dominant.
22:06That it's not about getting, just getting the 28th pick or the 29th pick from a really
22:11good team from a contender.
22:12It's also the fact that once you remove Miles Garrett, like worst record in the NFL is
22:18now in play.
22:19And from what every draft pundit for three years has been saying, it's that this season
22:25is the season to be bad.
22:27It's the right season to be bad.
22:29Like this season, we have two first round picks and everyone's like, this was the wrong
22:33draft.
22:33If I had to accept it, it's something I will accept.
22:36It's just something I don't want to deal with.
22:38It's something I, because rooting for them to lose, rooting for your team to lose.
22:42Like, yeah, I know what I said on Friday morning.
22:44I didn't want them to win.
22:46I'm not going to root for them to lose the Cavaliers.
22:49So we found the right setup for this postseason.
22:52But I'm not going to root for the Browns to lose, guys.
22:54It's just not going to happen.
22:56But if you make a move like that, especially if you make a move in June or July for crying
23:00out loud, I think there's a lot of people going, Kenny, you're just being stupid and
23:03you're just being, you're just being stubborn because there's nothing else to go for.
23:08I think that's what I'm going to get from a lot of people.
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