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00:00Morning. Nick Padone in for Tone today. Hello, Nick.
00:04Morning, Ken.
00:05It's a weird morning.
00:06That's a word for it.
00:08I don't like it.
00:09However, I'm going to tell you this right now.
00:11Can Jeff Thomas hear us?
00:14Can Jeff hear us? I know we got...
00:16Jeff, your mic's on if you can.
00:16I'm sorry, Mike. Sorry, Jeff.
00:19Sorry, Mike Thomas.
00:20Sorry, Mike. Jeff's is on. Is Jeff there?
00:23Someone get Jeff on the...
00:25Hello, hello.
00:26I'm sorry, Jeff. I know I just... I called an audible there.
00:29I want to know something.
00:30At the end of your update, you said the Browns golf outing is today?
00:35Yes.
00:35And what time is that?
00:36I think they want the media there like 11, 1130.
00:40All right, so he's not getting traded.
00:42Nothing bad's happening today.
00:43Nothing bad's happening during the show.
00:45No, it's just a happy golf charity event.
00:46You're not going to do it today.
00:48Nothing bad is happening during the show.
00:50Wasn't it like post-June 1st at 4 p.m.?
00:53Post-June 1st.
00:55Yeah.
00:55All right, Jeff, thank you so much.
00:57I wanted to make sure of that.
00:58All right, boys.
00:58So he said 11, 1130, somewhere in there.
01:00The media is supposed to be there.
01:01They have a yearly golf outing for their charity.
01:04The players play.
01:07Welcome to the country club, wherever they're having it, where the players play.
01:12That's an old one.
01:13I was always told Atlanta is.
01:14Well, yeah, but we're playing in Atlanta.
01:16That's why I was sitting there thinking.
01:17I go, wait, what am I supposed to do?
01:18All right, so I don't want to contribute to the conversation.
01:27There's weird texts going around.
01:29I got one yesterday, and it was like right at the heart of the Guardians game,
01:34like the third inning.
01:36You're nodding your head.
01:37Why are you nodding your head?
01:38Because I was enjoying my day Saturday, and I started getting weird texts,
01:43and then I relayed some of the weirdness on the Sunday show.
01:47What part of the country are your texts coming from?
01:50All over.
01:51What part of the country did most of the texts come from?
01:53There were two different texts.
01:55There was one text that came from Northeast Ohio,
01:57and then there was one text that came from somewhere else,
02:00and both of the texts were relative to the same subject that we're talking about here.
02:04We're somewhere else.
02:04There's plenty of places out there.
02:06He's beating around the bush even more than I beat around the bush over here, Nick.
02:09Give me a time zone.
02:10Give me a time zone.
02:11It's in EST.
02:12They're in the same time zone as us.
02:14And that's on standard or on daylight saving?
02:18On whatever we're on right now.
02:19It's 6.04 where they're at right now.
02:22All right.
02:22Because I got weird texts yesterday from a Pacific Standard Time zone.
02:27Is that how that works?
02:29Pacific Time zone?
02:30Yeah.
02:30There you go.
02:31They're not up yet.
02:32It's 3.05 in the morning.
02:34Well, it wasn't this morning.
02:35That's my issue.
02:36It wasn't this morning, Nick.
02:37So, all right.
02:38So, there's an elephant in the room we got to address.
02:42Today is June 1st.
02:43It's not post-June 1st yet.
02:45Today, post-June 1st would be at what?
02:47Four o'clock?
02:48Everything after June 1st.
02:49So, there's weird things going around.
02:52And I don't know.
02:54I'm getting bothered by it because it's almost like they're trying to speak it into existence with Miles.
02:59I have my reservations.
03:01Like, if they actually were to squeeze the trigger.
03:04And my whole thought of it is, well, and I just heard it from Jeff.
03:08So, it's like, yeah, there's got to be time dedicated to it this morning.
03:12But how much time do I dedicate to it this morning considering that there's a golf outing today?
03:19And I just don't think they're going to put their players out there to speak about it.
03:22If they were to make a move during a golf outing or to agree in principle to a move that's
03:27supposed to be later on today.
03:29They very well could do it.
03:30Business is business is business.
03:31But that's just what I'm thinking.
03:33The other thing of it is, is do I, if they actually do do this, whether it be this afternoon
03:39or this morning, whatever.
03:42Yeah, Owen, what's the matter?
03:43What?
03:43I just use in the golf outing as, oh, well, they're not doing it.
03:47You know, you don't just call up the country club and go, hey, we're thinking about playing a couple of
03:51rounds on Monday.
03:52You don't do that on Saturday.
03:54It's not.
03:54This has been set up for months in advance.
03:56It's not that they're not.
03:57I'm not using the golf outing as a marker for anything.
03:59Well.
04:00And I wouldn't put it past the organization at all to march everyone out there at 1130 and go, Miles
04:05is my best friend.
04:06I hope he stays here forever.
04:08And then at noon go, eh, we got three first and a couple seconds.
04:12Well, that's the whole thing of it.
04:13That's the problem of it, okay?
04:16You're right.
04:17So, yeah, you can agree to something in principle today and then announce it tomorrow.
04:21The NFL does this all the time.
04:23But I just don't.
04:24I'd be surprised if it were to, like, be like 8 o'clock.
04:27We're all hitting sirens and Miles gets moved somewhere.
04:31And then they're going to go out there right before they golf and answer questions.
04:36I would be more surprised if Miles Garrett was the ranger this morning on the golf course than if he
04:40got traded today.
04:43There's no way he's going to be there, right?
04:45No.
04:47Kenny, there's a lot of people.
04:48I didn't like the way you put that.
04:49That was not a way to start the Monday morning.
04:51There's a lot of people in Cleveland that just don't think that this is, like, happening.
04:55People think that there's nothing to see here.
04:57This is voluntary.
04:58Do they not think it's not going to happen or do they just not want it to happen?
05:02Probably both.
05:03I guarantee.
05:04I can't even look at social media.
05:05Like, there will be people who are upset that we're even discussing it.
05:10And listen, I can't stop.
05:12I hope they're just – people text me crazy stuff all the time.
05:15It doesn't mean that it's true, but if they're texting – if Nick's getting texts, then –
05:20That's where I thought it was weird.
05:21If there's that – no offense to you, Nick.
05:23That kind of sounded cheap.
05:24But there's just a lot – there's a lot of smoke out there, and I'm starting to walk through the
05:29rooms,
05:29and I'm starting to touch the door handles is what I'm saying here.
05:32Same.
05:32Go ahead.
05:33And, okay, so it is weird that I'm getting texts, but then it's –
05:37It's not weird that you're getting texts.
05:38No, no, no, here's why it's – I'm sorry, it's okay.
05:41It's that there were two texts from two different people that wouldn't have been talking to one another
05:46that told me the same thing.
05:48And that's when, like – because I was like you, Kenny.
05:51Like, I watched the show, listened to the show every morning, 6 to 10 in the morning.
05:56And I knew you were a little bit nervous, and you felt that this Miles Garrett thing was a little
06:00bit weird.
06:00And that's where I was at a week ago, because it was weird.
06:04He hasn't met the new head coach.
06:06If they made – like, Nick, are you a proponent of moving him?
06:10I haven't even let myself get that far because –
06:12I want to know what the return is.
06:14Yeah.
06:14Like, if they moved him today – I'll say this.
06:16If they moved him today, I can't fly off the handle until I know what the return is.
06:21Now, one of the people that texted me said,
06:25Ying, I like the return.
06:27And I go, if I'm not going to like the return, then what are we doing here?
06:30It's got to be top end, most ever received for a non –
06:35I mean, it's got to be, what, Ricky Williams style, I guess it would be.
06:38Like, it's got to be ridiculous.
06:41Ken, it's got to be your vehicle to landing that franchise quarterback.
06:45So, I need draft picks in 2027.
06:48I need draft picks in 2028.
06:50I need a premier starting player.
06:53And my whole thing is also why do we –
06:55well, there's been conversations previously, I'm sure.
06:58Or, you know, just call somebody up the morning of June 1st and start this conversation out.
07:04But, you know, it's why are we in such a rush on June 1st, post-June 1st,
07:09technically the second, to actually do something like this?
07:12You know, could it be like the –
07:14but, again, I look at everybody and there's a lot of confusion because it's like,
07:18well, I can make a big deal about it today, and if it doesn't happen today,
07:23then when do I become the guy who cried wolf?
07:26Because it could – Micah Parsons, it happened with him in August.
07:30Right.
07:30So, I can't spend the entire summer scaring people onto what this is.
07:36And I'm not trying to do so.
07:38So, I'm just saying what my phone did yesterday.
07:40I didn't like what was on the other end of my phone just because, to me,
07:44if you're trying to compete this year, it really makes no sense.
07:47And so, if they did move him, I said to Anthony last week,
07:50there's a lot of different things that I think are into play.
07:52If they were to move on from Myles Garrett, that would consider this season.
07:57If they were to get a hell of a haul back,
07:59because maybe they just think that the haul they're getting back –
08:02there was no specifics.
08:03Absolutely no specifics were given to me.
08:05I'll tell you that right now.
08:06But when it comes to the actual haul back, quote-unquote,
08:10maybe they just thought I was asking for pie-in-the-sky stuff,
08:12and I'm not going to respond.
08:14Because I didn't really – there was a couple of, like, okay, thanks.
08:18I didn't really go further into it.
08:20Maybe I should have, but I didn't want to pump anybody for more information
08:23than what they were already willing to give.
08:24And it was a – it was an offering.
08:27It was just a volunteered offering of it.
08:30And I went, well, this just at 2 in the afternoon on a Sunday ruins my day.
08:34But that – I mean, well, I've had other Sundays ruined by 4 in the afternoon,
08:37so it doesn't matter.
08:39Kenny, I don't think this is something that's going to bleed on into August
08:42like the Michael Parsons thing did.
08:44My understanding of it is that we're going to have motion this week
08:47because they've got this mandatory –
08:48Well, they were probably trying to work a contract, too.
08:50And this mandatory thing with Myles, like, he has to show up June 9th.
08:55He passed up that workout bonus, million dollars, whatever.
08:58But if you don't show up June 9th to meet the new staff,
09:01then you're really starting to cost yourself some dollars.
09:03So I think we're living in a window here after 4.01 p.m. Eastern time
09:08until June 8th.
09:10I'm led to believe that there's going to be motion on this Myles Garrett front this week.
09:14Well, what does it have to be at least for you to be okay with the deal?
09:16Because, I mean, again, you're talking about the player of a lifetime here
09:19that plays for your football team.
09:21And the minute I say that, people go, well, how many games does he help win?
09:25And I still sit there and say, how many games would you have lost
09:28had it not been for him?
09:29So I know that there's a back and forth to it.
09:32So what is the least amount you will take?
09:37Because to me, it's got to be two ones, two twos, and then down the line.
09:42Like, it's got to be more twos if we're only going to get two ones.
09:46I know asking for three ones is a lot.
09:48That's usually – excuse me, that's one quarterback situation,
09:51maybe another quarterback situation right off the top of my head.
09:54But for Myles, if I would like three ones, if I can't get three ones,
09:59if they can't get three ones, if it's just impossible, I can't say,
10:03well, I'll hold on to them forever.
10:04No, if I'm getting three ones or two ones and two twos and things like that,
10:08then maybe I would consider it.
10:10So, I mean, we're looking at Michael Parsons.
10:12We mentioned him this morning and that that bled on to August.
10:15He got moved for two first-round picks and a starting defensive lineman.
10:20I think Myles Garrett's better than Michael Parsons, right?
10:23So, that's my absolute floor.
10:27Like, that's where the conversation starts.
10:29Well, the lineman to me just kind of gets moved so you can move the money around
10:32in so many ways.
10:35I mean, they can help.
10:36They can be okay.
10:36But I think that that's –
10:37Well, I think if you're moving on from Myles, I would –
10:40and they're saying that Todd wants to win games in year one.
10:44Like, who's coming off the edge, guy?
10:46Like, it's Alex Wright and Isaiah McGuire.
10:48The two nice players, but they're certainly not Myles Garrett.
10:51That's basically what that is.
10:52Well, again, that's where it kind of goes down to is what's your goal for this season?
10:57You know, because – how many games do you think they can win right now, Nick?
11:01Well, when we did the schedule game on the Sunday show.
11:03Uh-huh.
11:04How many did you say?
11:05Had them around nine, Ken.
11:07You had them at nine?
11:08Okay.
11:08If you trade Myles Garrett, where do you have it?
11:11I mean, they won five last year because of Myles Garrett, I'd say.
11:15So, I'm probably whittling it down to four.
11:18You're down to four.
11:19Because I said they'd win seven, and then without Myles –
11:21I think of the gut punch of basically what you tell your franchise
11:24or what you think the season is, and what you tell your fan base, obviously,
11:28but what you tell everybody if you were to trade away Myles Garrett
11:31before the mandatory minicamp comes up.
11:35Like, that's what I consider.
11:38And I think that that plays into it.
11:40Now, eventually, they've got to circle the wagons,
11:42and they've got to go out, and they've got to try to compete.
11:44I understand that.
11:45But I have them at seven wins.
11:46I'm thinking you're maybe in a four category,
11:49and I think that some people would think I'm probably being a little bit –
11:53I'm being a little bit too positive about that.
11:552-1-6-4-7-4-0-92.
11:58Honestly, I hope I'm wasting everybody's time.
11:59I hope that this is a waste of time.
12:01I saw the replies last week when it came to it,
12:05wasting everybody's time.
12:06This is not going to happen, not going to happen.
12:09I hope it is.
12:10I really hope it is.
12:12But clearly, there's conversations going on in the league right now or yesterday
12:19and have been going on between one team out west.
12:23It seems to be there might be one team out east,
12:25which hopefully we'll get some audio for everybody coming up at around 7 o'clock.
12:28I'd get the audio sooner, but it hasn't been actually said yet.
12:31So that has to come up at around 7, 7.20 later on today.
12:35Well, we got Danny Cunningham today at 7.20.
12:37Well, there's going to be an interview later on in another city that I'm having them roll on right now.
12:44So we're already – it's 6.15, and we are already monitoring the wire.
12:50Yeah.
12:51Yeah.
12:51Awesome.
12:52I'm sorry.
12:53Hey, don't come at me.
12:55I got to do what we got to do.
12:56What's the first tee time?
12:57I don't know.
12:57I think it's after this.
12:57I think it's a shotgun start at like around 1.
13:00I'm going to be shotgun.
13:01Best baller, what are we doing here?
13:04Do you get a breakfast baller or is that now embargoed because of the name of that show?
13:09What do you do?
13:10Like, I'm serious.
13:11I'm in a weird spot.
13:12I'm a Browns fan.
13:13Nick, I want the Browns to do well.
13:14I think there's been some people – and I think that there's been people just because of the conversation.
13:19They're saying, move on.
13:20Forget it.
13:21This isn't worth it.
13:22I mean, we've had them in the call box here numerous times over the past several weeks, several months, honestly.
13:29So I think people are at a long ways all over this spectrum about it.
13:34But I can only go with what I am.
13:36And you can hear in my voice I'm a little bit nervous about it because if it does happen, I
13:40think it torpedoes the season.
13:41If it does happen, there's an opportunity out there for you to not win a lot of games and go
13:46after the quarterback that you want.
13:48But then, again, there's always going to be a fallout from that.
13:51Because, again, if you move on from miles – and I'm sitting there going, what's the point of playing Deshaun
13:55Watson here?
13:56If you're still going to say – and I'm thinking from 30,000 feet.
14:00Because if you're telling me, Kenny, you've got to go coach these guys, it's like, yeah, I'm going to play
14:04the guy who I think best fits the offense.
14:06And that happens to be Deshaun Watson.
14:08And then that happens to be Deshaun Watson.
14:09But if I'm thinking of it from a Browns fan, long-term perspective, what is this guy going to give
14:14me other than bad memories of football past and lost seasons?
14:17That's all I'm getting out of that.
14:18Now, that's a conversation for a quarterback.
14:20I know that, Nick.
14:21But these are several things that come to my head about this.
14:23That's all.
14:24It's one of those things.
14:25What came first, though, the chicken or the egg?
14:26Because maybe Miles Garrett's looking at this situation saying, really?
14:30That's the guy that you're going to start at quarterback?
14:32I've been around for four years, the Deshaun Watson project.
14:35And I know you owe him 40-some million dollars, and that's part of the reason why he's going to
14:39play.
14:39But if that's the bridge to 27, maybe Miles Garrett doesn't want to be a part of a bridge to
14:4427 in whatever the master plan is.
14:47I don't think he does.
14:48I don't think he wants to be a bridge to 2027.
14:50However, I think that you make sure that there's a bridge just by trading him.
14:55You make sure that there's a bridge there.
14:56But, again, I can't guarantee what you're going to get back in return.
15:00And I can guarantee that it's going to be a massive hit to the fan base here momentarily if they
15:05were to make some sort of a trade today.
15:06Agree to some sort of a trade today and then actually consummate that trade later on tomorrow.
15:112-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
15:13Guys, really, it brings me no joy to speak about this whatsoever.
15:17And I hope it's a slow day in sports and that we get accused of that.
15:23I hope that's all there is.
15:25I don't want to move on from him yet.
15:26I don't want to torpedo the season yet.
15:29You want to talk to me during the season?
15:30Fine.
15:30We'll talk during the season if things aren't off to a good start.
15:33But I'm not Andrew Barry.
15:34I'm not the Cleveland Browns.
15:35I'm not Miles Garrett.
15:36And I'm not one of these other teams that are texting.
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