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00:00But Albert Breer was on Afternoon Drive yesterday, and Lima said maybe he was dancing around it.
00:05The whole station's dancing around it. Fans are dancing around it.
00:08Did you accuse even Albert of dancing around it? The Miles Garrett situation here?
00:12I accused myself of dancing around it.
00:15You know what happened? I heard everybody in town of repute.
00:21I heard them talk and dance around the Miles Garrett thing, and all say the same thing.
00:26Which is something I said, and then I'm like, oh, I was about to yell and call them cowards.
00:30No, I need to call myself a coward.
00:32Well, dance around what?
00:33Okay, so Miles Garrett, not there.
00:36I didn't dance around a damn thing.
00:37So Miles Garrett, not there at, is it OTAs? What is it yesterday?
00:41Voluntary workouts.
00:42Okay, so he doesn't have to be there. He's not going to get fined.
00:45The coaches all say the same thing. No, he doesn't have to be here.
00:49Whatever, when asked about it.
00:50It is important to note, did all three of the Browns quarterbacks on the roster attend the voluntary minicamps?
00:57I have no idea.
00:58I wish I could. Well, they're voluntary workouts, Tom.
01:02Yeah, the workouts, sorry.
01:03Yeah, they're working out and going to meetings.
01:06Voluntarily.
01:06They're lifting, they're going to meetings.
01:08I thought I saw they were all there.
01:09Either way, Miles Garrett, it was the first chance to kind of get in with the new coaches and all
01:16of that,
01:17and he wasn't there, and I said yesterday, I'm like, look, it's not going to bother Miles Garrett.
01:22Miles could show up at halftime of the first game and still win the game for them.
01:25Indeed.
01:26That's how good Miles Garrett is, and I don't think even to some extent the defense,
01:31I don't think all of a sudden the defense is going to be bad because Miles Garrett wasn't at any
01:34of that.
01:36But then I also said, hey, wouldn't the fans love it if Miles Garrett showed up?
01:39Yes.
01:40Wouldn't the coaches praise him if he showed up?
01:42Of course they would.
01:44Wouldn't the fan base all sit there and say he's bought into Todd Munkin?
01:48Yes.
01:49Wouldn't the rest of the guys on the team and the coaches,
01:52wouldn't they all be doing the kumbaya thing if he was there?
01:56And then if your answer is yes to all those questions, which they would be,
02:00then why didn't I just come out and say what I thought?
02:02Which, there's a missed opportunity.
02:04Miles should have been there.
02:06You can say that, but I don't feel that way.
02:08Okay.
02:09I don't, I'm not dancing around anything.
02:12I'm not tiptoeing around anything.
02:13You want to play, you want to play the Albert Breer for everybody first?
02:15All right.
02:16Here's Albert Breer yesterday, afternoon drive on Miles Garrett, not being at a, excuse me,
02:20now you got me doing it.
02:21Voluntary workouts.
02:22I just think with the quarterback, there's symbolism to it.
02:26There's also a functionality to it where your quarterback just shows up on day one of OTAs.
02:31He didn't go through all the meetings in the month plus prior to that.
02:35Is there a chance that that quarterback is holding everybody back?
02:39Yeah, sure there is.
02:40Do I think Miles Garrett's going to be holding anybody back if he takes a week or two off during
02:44the portion of the offseason program that's just lifting a meeting?
02:48No.
02:49So, I mean, would it be nice to have him in the house?
02:51Of course.
02:51You'd love to have everybody you can have in the house, especially your leaders.
02:55I'd pay more attention if he doesn't show up at the beginning of OTAs.
02:58Because for people who don't know, like, basically the way this goes is you've got steps over the course of
03:05the next, you know,
03:05few weeks where the first two weeks is phase one, which is basically just lifting, running, and beating.
03:12And then after that, you know, like you start to work in where you can go out in the field
03:17and you can do stuff,
03:18but you can't do team stuff.
03:19And then you can do, like, on-field stuff, but the offense can't be facing a defense.
03:24And then, you know, when you get to OTAs, you can actually start to do 11-on-11 work,
03:28and I think that's when it really starts to matter.
03:30So, you know, at this point, like, I don't think it's the most important thing in the world that they're
03:35there.
03:35But, you know, over the course of the next six or seven weeks, it'll become, you know,
03:40I think more important to what they're trying to accomplish with the key guys right now.
03:44Listen, there are specific rules in the CBA, there's voluntary, and there's mandatory.
03:49And if it's voluntary, he's been a guy who I think showed up to one voluntary, if I'm not mistaken.
03:54I think so.
03:54At the beginning of it, now he feels that that is no longer his priority.
03:57I don't think he's sending any messages by not coming to the voluntary workouts
04:02because he's never really came to the voluntary workouts.
04:04He's been a Brown for 10 years.
04:06There's been, like, one year he's come to the voluntary workouts.
04:08So, no, I feel the same way I did five years ago.
04:11I feel the same way I did nine years ago if we're doing it.
04:15I don't need to tiptoe around anything.
04:16I do ā it does not matter to me that he's not there.
04:20It does matter to me that the quarterbacks are there.
04:22Like, I do want to know today in media availability if all three QBs have been there,
04:28especially the two in particular.
04:29Who are the leaders of this football team?
04:31The leaders of the football team are usually your quarterbacks,
04:33and I understand he's the best player on the football team,
04:35and you want him to be a leader on your football team.
04:37But I do not think that any of those guys that are on that team ā
04:41I mean, we went over this yesterday.
04:42Aiden Huntington is a guy who certainly considers him a leader.
04:45He worked out with him all offseason last year for a chance to make this roster.
04:49So I don't think that this is any sort of a lack of leadership for Miles Garrett.
04:53So you would not have praised him had he had been there
04:54and talked about how good this might be for the team?
04:57I would have been surprised, and I would have asked why is he there
04:59and what does this mean for his football team?
05:03Did he feel he needed a ā
05:04You thought that would be a negative if he would have been there?
05:07No, that's not what I'm doing.
05:08I want to know, does he feel he needs to have a bigger role
05:12because it's Mike Rutenberg, who's 44, looks like he's 30,
05:15but as a younger guy than Jim Schwartz,
05:18does he feel he needs to be there to work with Mike Rutenberg of some level?
05:22Like, that's the questions I would ask.
05:24Not it's a negative, not it's a negative about the coaching staff,
05:27but I don't believe, and I'll say it as loud as I can,
05:30I don't think it's a big deal.
05:31If you think it's a big deal, tell everybody why you think it's such a big deal.
05:34I do think you're lying to the people if ā
05:39I'm lying?
05:39No, no, if.
05:40Let me finish the sentence.
05:41I think you'd be lying if you would act like Ken Carman would not have said,
05:46is this a sign that Miles Garrett's bought in completely to Todd Munkin
05:50and he would have showed up yesterday?
05:52We would have been playing the Michael Stanley.
05:54We played Michael Stanley?
05:56Yesterday was sarcasm.
05:57Yeah, I was in sarcasm.
05:58I wasn't sarcastic.
06:00It would have been a real ā
06:01Well, I fired it and I was.
06:02It would have been an authentic thing.
06:03Also, you know, we only brought it up yesterday.
06:06We weren't even going to bring it up.
06:07So that's ā maybe I'm calling myself out on it.
06:10Maybe I'm the coward that Nick thinks I am.
06:12But I didn't bring it up yesterday until I saw the news that Lamar Jackson was there.
06:18And that's why Albert Breer starts the clip mentioning quarterbacks.
06:21Because a quarterback, his contract is up again.
06:25But what don't we have right now?
06:26We don't have ā
06:27We don't have a quarterback.
06:27We don't have an official quarterback.
06:28We don't have a QB1.
06:30But that's on the QBs and it's up to ā
06:32I'm sorry.
06:32Hold on.
06:33I'm going to stop you right there.
06:35I've got to stop you right there.
06:36We have quarterbacks.
06:37We have two guys that we're not really sure about.
06:40One guy who people don't even want to see who you're paying $46 million here.
06:43You have quarterbacks.
06:44You're supposed to have quarterbacks.
06:46So that's on them.
06:47That's on the Browns.
06:48That's on either one of those guys who either can't take the reins or refuse to take the reins.
06:52That's on them.
06:53You have QBs.
06:54You don't believe in a quarterback of the defense.
06:56It's supposed to be Deshaun Watson.
06:57Or anything like that.
06:59I think that your quarterback, your defense has been other people at times.
07:03I think it's Carson Swessinger at voluntary workouts.
07:06I think if there would have been pictures floating around ā
07:08I know we're all the rage right now of photographs and coaches.
07:12But if there were photographs of Todd Munkin and the new defensive coordinator along with
07:20Myles Garrett all together, I think people would get the chills.
07:24They'd get the goosebumps.
07:25And it would allow everybody ā and you know, another side of this is, if the Browns made
07:31the playoffs, won 11 games, worst to first and all of that, you know for a fact somebody
07:37in a press conference at the end of the year would be like, you know, Myles was there that
07:41first day and that was symbolic.
07:42Maybe.
07:43And almost more than symbolic.
07:44Maybe.
07:45And so that's all I'm saying is, let's not act like we wouldn't have gone nuts over the
07:49news yesterday that Myles Garrett would have been there.
07:51I would not have, okay?
07:53And maybe I'm lying to myself, okay?
07:54Maybe you guys are all rolling your eyes in your cars.
07:56If you click 474-0092 or use the coming in hot function on your Odyssey app, would Ken
08:03Carmen have gone ā
08:04So leave a message, bud.
08:05Would Ken Carmen have gone nuts in a good way?
08:09Would his positivity and optimism not be brimming?
08:12Would he not say that Browns might win more games than I previously thought they would?
08:15Had Myles Garrett have been there?
08:17Yes, because we know you can.
08:18Come on.
08:18How would I have said they were going to win games than I previously thought they would
08:22just because he shows up?
08:23Oh, you don't think Ken Carmen would find a way to give the Browns ā
08:27Let me ask you this.
08:27All it took ā
08:27What's he paid to do?
08:28All it took was having a radio show the day before ā
08:30What's he paid to do?
08:31All it would have taken was the Ken Carmen to have a microphone three days before the
08:35season starts for the Browns to have more wins on his paid to do.
08:40What was it the day before that Friday and what was it that Friday?
08:43Four.
08:44I'm going to ask four times.
08:45And it went up to seven wins.
08:46No, eight wins.
08:47Nine wins.
08:48Ten wins.
08:48What is he supposed ā
08:49Wait, the mic's still open?
08:50Eleven wins.
08:51This isn't three days before the season starts, okay?
08:53This is F in April.
08:55So let me ask you for the fifth time.
08:56What is he paid to do?
08:59What is he paid to do?
09:00What is Miles Garrett paid to do, Anthony?
09:03Get sacks.
09:03I'll answer the question for you since you're not paying attention.
09:05You're just looking at everybody who wants a lineup and agree with you and call me an
09:08idiot.
09:09So I'll go ahead and say it.
09:10Does it mean one more sack?
09:12Is he going to get one more sack?
09:13Could he have had 25 sacks last year?
09:15Hattie has shown up to voluntary workouts.
09:17What's Lamar Jackson paid to do?
09:19What's Lamar Jackson paid to do?
09:20You are the biggest liar of all of us.
09:21Answer the question, Kenny.
09:22What's Lamar Jackson?
09:23He's supposed to be everything.
09:25He's not paid to go to minicamp.
09:26He's the quarterback of the football team.
09:27He's not paid to go to voluntary minicamp.
09:28This is apples and oranges, you ass.
09:30What's that?
09:31It is the quarterback of the football team.
09:33I'm just using your own ā
09:33I'm just using your own argument against you.
09:36You can say what you want to about Miles.
09:38Has Miles ever ā I don't know if he's ever publicly done ā
09:42Yeah, Lamar's getting his confirmation now online.
09:44There you go.
09:45Great, great.
09:45Here we go.
09:46We're doing a show for everybody listening,
09:47not for the people online.
09:49Ken Carman would have absolutely marked it as an offseason win.
09:52You are not understanding what I'm saying.
09:54Wait, Ken Carman would have done that.
09:55I haven't kept offseason wins and losses in years, by the way.
09:58A lot of them.
09:58Thank you very much.
09:59The second thing is, is that one place quarterback who famously, famously
10:04was public against his own head coach
10:07and against his own offensive coordinator.
10:10Miles, for everything that we've had, I know he wanted a trade,
10:13and that can't bode well for your head coach,
10:16but he's never really called out his head coach
10:19or certainly his defensive coordinator very publicly.
10:23I'm on the ā I mean, I'm running out of breath here.
10:26I'm so agitated at you.
10:29It's never been a big damn deal.
10:31They paid the guy to get sacks.
10:32I just think Ken would have been excited if Miles was there.
10:35Maybe I would have been a little bit more excited,
10:37but it would have made a damn bit of difference how many sacks he's going to have this year.
10:41Well, Lamar Jackson thinks it would have made a difference for him to show up,
10:43and he showed up finally.
10:44But she normally doesn't.
10:45Because Lamar Jackson's trying to show everybody
10:46because he's the quarterback of the football team,
10:48which means he's the franchise that he approves of the firing of John Harbaugh
10:53and of the entire staff before.
10:56That's what he's trying to show everybody.
10:58Okay, so Miles Garrett doesn't want to try to show that?
11:02He's got a new defensive coordinator, too.
11:03Again, how did Aiden Huntington make the team?
11:04How did Aiden Huntington make the team?
11:05He's a good football player, and he also worked out with Miles Garrett
11:08and all those other good football players.
11:09So don't tell me Miles Garrett isn't doing anything to help out this football team.
11:13I guess nobody should have showed up yesterday.
11:15Ridiculous.
11:16Doesn't matter.
11:17No, no, no.
11:18I didn't say nobody.
11:18I didn't say nobody.
11:19Doesn't matter.
11:20I didn't say it doesn't matter for Miles Garrett.
11:21They're all paid to win games once the season starts.
11:22You know what?
11:23They never win games once the season starts.
11:23If everybody else on the defense has 23 sacks or double-digit interceptions,
11:28then I'll say it's not a big deal for them.
11:29Until then, I guess it's get your ass to the voluntary workout.
11:32The guys that were there yesterday seem to think it mattered.
11:34Is Lima saying the quiet part out loud?
11:37Because I'm in a full-on shoot.
11:39I can't believe we're making a big deal.
11:41This is 2016 radio.
11:44Is he on the team in 16?
11:45No.
11:46This is 2018 radio.
11:48That's what this is.
11:502-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
11:53I bet you Ken didn't think it was a big deal back then,
11:54and then they went 1-31.
11:57Be nice to have guys show up.
11:58That's all with the new coaching staff.
11:59Bunch of first-time coaches.
12:01That would have been nice.
12:02All right.
12:03Can't believe we're discussing it.
12:04You want to discuss it?
12:05You start it.
12:06Go ahead.
12:07You think it's a big deal?
12:08Tell everybody you think it's a big deal.
12:09No.
12:10I'm not going to be a part of this.
12:11I've caught so much hell over the last few weeks over stupid things that I've said.
12:14I was going to apologize for a stupid thing that I said at 720,
12:17and then you just ruined it.
12:18So if you're going to say it, you want to say it, you say it.
12:21I'm not going to be a part of that.
12:22Can I have a point in your favor and a point against you?
12:25Which one would you like first?
12:26Point against.
12:28You absolutely would be celebrating yesterday had Miles Garrett been there.
12:33We would have done Michael Stanley for real.
12:36It would have been very loud.
12:37There would have been a video about it.
12:40For you to say otherwise is, I've been on the show 10 years,
12:44and it would have been something totally different.
12:46That would have been the first time that you would have been like,
12:47I don't care if he's there.
12:49Okay.
12:50The point for you is they're in phase one of voluntary workouts, right?
12:55Which is two weeks limited to strength and conditioning activities
12:59or dead ball activities.
13:01Only strength and conditioning coaches are allowed on the field.
13:04Then it goes on to some other stuff, but it explains dead ball explanation.
13:08And this is from the NFLPA.
13:10Dead ball explanation is QBs can throw to receivers with no coverage.
13:15Kickers and punters can kick, but players cannot field the ball.
13:18No snappers, no holders.
13:20Long snappers can snap into a net,
13:22and defensive players may not catch balls at all,
13:26regardless of who's throwing to them.
13:27So he's standing around.
13:28What if you're Travis Hunter?
13:29So he wouldn't have been doing anything other than going to the gym.
13:31Yeah, he would have been lifting.
13:32Which you can do at any Golds or Planet Fitness or anything.
13:35He would have been lifting and going to meetings.
13:37He probably goes to a different place than that.
13:39He would have been lifting, going to meetings.
13:40Venice Beach.
13:41Well, I don't even know that they can have meetings.
13:43Oh, you can't have meetings?
13:45I thought you could have meetings.
13:46Are they even allowed to look at each other?
13:48I think they have to do it all through.
13:49They write down on one piece of paper.
13:52They leave the room.
13:53The other person comes in and reads it.
13:55Well, I got to give it up to J.C. Tretter and the Players Union.
13:58They have a lot of rules that they have collectively bargained and negotiated.
14:02Moore's code.
14:04This is that.
14:05Okay.
14:05Yeah, as I said, the big deal thing, do I think it's the end of the world?
14:10No.
14:10All I'm saying is, I think it would be, in a way, like a symbolic gesture.
14:16The, holy cow, Miles never comes to this stuff.
14:19And in fact, you know that would have definitely juiced the anti-Stefanski stuff.
14:23Like, if all of a sudden, the guy that's been rolling his eyes during the victory speeches
14:28from Kevin Stefanski, like if all of a sudden he showed up and embraced Todd Munkin.
14:34But it wouldn't have been a Stefanski thing.
14:35That's not how it would have been spun.
14:37It would have been a Jim Schwartz thing.
14:39Ooh.
14:41And we've went through this whole offseason saying, well, Miles was a Jim Schwartz guy.
14:47They were all backing him.
14:48Miles said it publicly at the Pro Bowl.
14:50So did Denzel Ward.
14:52They were backing Jim Schwartz.
14:54That's true.
14:54Okay.
14:54That's true, Kenny.
14:55And would it have been a 19 of Rutenberg as the new defensive coordinator?
14:59Of course.
14:59You'd be rooting, tooting, fresh, and Rutenberg at that point.
15:01I got mad.
15:02That's the best name ever.
15:04That needs to be given more air time.
15:05And it will when the season starts and the defense is good.
15:08If the defense isn't good, I'm going to ignore it.
15:10We're going to act like you never said it.
15:13Okay.
15:15Now that I'm not in, I'm still in a shoot, but I'm not as angry as I was 10 minutes
15:20ago.
15:21I will admit, I would have made a big deal about him being there.
15:24All right?
15:25Fair.
15:25I'm an excitable boy.
15:27You guys know me.
15:28I would have made a big deal.
15:30However, however, Owen is right.
15:32He'd be just standing around, Anthony.
15:35So it would have made a big difference to him.
15:38Because, guys, like, this is what it is.
15:41Like, I could sit here and go, ooh, Miles.
15:43Like, this is the type of silly stuff you guys would roll your eyes against when it came
15:46to the T.J. Watt, Miles Garrett arguments before Miles Garrett just beat him and that
15:50was it.
15:51Is we used to hear from Steelers fans go, T.J.
15:54Watt's better against the run.
15:55As if they're paid to be good against the run.
15:57Oh, he's better against this.
15:59He's better.
15:59Like, no, we pay for, well, the Browns pay for sacks and they pay for, sacks are the
16:05big name because it's, it's, you're paid for hurrying up the quarterback, getting the
16:10quarterback in his head and getting sacks.
16:13Creating opportunities by being so fast.
16:16So, there's a lot of guys there.
16:18They're there for FaceTime.
16:19Miles is not there for FaceTime.
16:21He doesn't need FaceTime.
16:22He ain't going anywhere.
16:23The general manager of the football team, every time he's asked, says he's a career
16:27Brown.
16:28Says he ain't going anywhere.
16:29He's finishing his career as a Cleveland Brown.
16:31So, Miles is like, I ain't going anywhere and that means I don't have to go to voluntary
16:37workouts standing around.
16:38He doesn't have to do it.
16:39A guy like Aiden Huntington, like I had said, maybe Aiden Huntington should probably go to
16:43the voluntary workouts, okay?
16:45That's where he's at.
16:46If he were a quarterback of a football, of the football team, maybe I'd feel different.
16:50Maybe I would.
16:51But he's the quarterback of the football team, or he's not the quarterback of the football
16:54team, so I don't feel different.
16:56I don't think it's a big deal.
16:57I didn't think it was a big deal last year or the year before that.
16:59I just know that over the course of not only this show, this station, and not just you,
17:06everybody, and I'm not going to put you in this category, but there are always people
17:09out there in Brown's fandom that will defend, because it's their team, they'll defend everything
17:15the organization does and everything all the players do.
17:18And I will be told by everybody that this doesn't matter, and then we'll go to the next
17:24thing.
17:24That doesn't matter.
17:26And then whether it's things that are happening in the organization, or the pecking order,
17:30or the hierarchy, and I'll say, well, this is not really how that team does it.
17:34And this is how the...
17:36I'll talk about the teams in the division that always finish ahead of us.
17:39And every step of the way, I will be told, not a big deal, not a big deal, not a
17:43big
17:43deal.
17:43And then every step of the way, the Browns are last place in the division.
17:46And I'm like, well, something has to be a big deal.
17:48All these little things that aren't a big deal have to add up to something being a big
17:52deal, or it would just be a curse.
17:55That's the only other explanation as how the Browns end up being in last place so often,
18:00and we haven't actually won the divisions since 1989.
18:05Something has to matter.
18:06We can't pinpoint the things that actually matter, but something has to matter.
18:10I think some of that stuff...
18:11I want you to check the...
18:13I want you to check the messenger, by the way, real quick, if you can.
18:18Just give me a yes or no on that before I say anything out loud.
18:22There are...
18:23I think there's a series of certain things that matter to a lot of guys, to a lot of teams.
18:29But we do this with the combine.
18:30To me, the 40-yard dash does not matter in terms of how fast they run the 40.
18:35To me, it's how much are you willing to prepare?
18:38How much you...
18:39Like, we know that this is a big deal.
18:41This is on television.
18:42People may...
18:43Fans write it down when they talk about draft, how fast your 40 was.
18:47When a guy runs an exceedingly fast 40 for his size, we always bring that up.
18:53But it's really a test of how much you're willing to work.
18:56Miles, we know...
18:57I think we all trust Miles by now that he's putting in the work.
19:00Do we not?
19:01Yeah, of course.
19:02So, it's really...
19:03It is important for a lot of other guys.
19:05It's just not that important for Miles, is how I feel about it.
19:09Well, and they are allowed to have team meetings.
19:11They are.
19:12Meetings, position group meetings.
19:14And, you know, Keith brought this up to us.
19:16But Stefanski would say it is, of course, voluntary.
19:19But they can't really install, start their installs of things until, you know, players are all there.
19:25Because you can't install with...
19:26Especially if you're the defense.
19:28You can't go, this is the defense.
19:30We just don't have the best player that could be on the field right now with us.
19:34Yeah, none of this.
19:35None of this impacts.
19:36If...
19:36Here's one way I will totally corroborate everything that Ken is saying.
19:41At no point do I think this makes Miles, like, start to slip in terms of his personal prowess.
19:48This is more about the Cleveland Browns than it is.
19:50I think it's more about all those...
19:52Look, they're going to continue to be, and after this draft, too, they're going to continue to be younger and
19:57younger and younger and younger as they phase out all the guys that, from our first Super Bowl window, that
20:05they are...
20:05You know, there's even less guys there now.
20:07Njoku's gone.
20:08Have we heard anything about Petonio?
20:10You know, Teller's gone.
20:12Take all the time you want.
20:12They're going to get younger and younger, and so those guys...
20:16That's another thing I don't care about.
20:18It ain't my money, don't give a damn.
20:19I think it helps them to have Miles Garrett there every step of the way.
20:22That's all.
20:23Okay, go ahead and check that out.
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