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00:00So, I'm going to call out some of my brethren.
00:02Guys, I don't want to, I'm being, I got painted into a corner yesterday and I don't want to
00:06be painted into this.
00:08I do not want to take Jeremiah Love, nor do I think that the Browns are going to take
00:11Jeremiah Love.
00:12In fact, I don't think there's a chance in hell they're going to take Jeremiah Love.
00:16That wasn't my issue with what I wanted to say yesterday.
00:18I'll get back to the Cavs coming up at 822 and whether or not this is a valid explanation
00:24or an excuse for this Cavaliers basketball team.
00:26But, I want to take Carnell Tate.
00:30Now, I'm willing to listen to other things.
00:32I've not been as passionate for him as I am for other ones, but if it comes to you have
00:38to make a pick, fine.
00:40I think trading down is responsible.
00:42Some people said that they, I heard Nick say yesterday he thinks Browns fans really want
00:46to trade down.
00:47I think that they could appreciate responsibility in getting another pick, but I think that most
00:52fan bases, they want somebody they can really sink their teeth into.
00:55Carnell Tate's a good wide receiver.
00:56No, he's not Jeremiah Smith, but Jeremiah Smith isn't in this draft.
01:00So, there ain't nothing you can do about that.
01:02Carnell Tate's a really good wide receiver.
01:04He's number one for your football team.
01:06He went to Ohio State.
01:07This is fish in a barrel, and I think he'll be a good, solid wide receiver for your football
01:10team for a time to come.
01:12And, he might be known as being a little bit overdrafted at number six overall by the time
01:16it's all said and done.
01:17So be it.
01:18You can only take with what you have, with what you have, and who can make moves with you,
01:22right?
01:23So I would take, if I'm stuck, I'd take Carnell Tate.
01:27But I make the argument for Jeremiah Love simply this reason.
01:32I just don't think we're in a position to be so choosy about really talented football players.
01:37And what bothers me, it's not the fans.
01:40What bothers me is some of the pushback that I've got from people.
01:43I'm flat out, and I'm not taking shots, and I usually am.
01:46And people I really do respect for what they know about football.
01:50And I wonder, I wondered this yesterday afternoon, and I couldn't articulate it in social media,
01:55so I'll just say it to you right here.
01:57You know, we look at older football coaches, and we go, oh boy, did the game pass you by?
02:01Because you get used to a certain way of doing things, and times change.
02:04And I go, guys, have we not seen what the NFL has done here over the last three years?
02:09With running backs, you mean?
02:10Exactly.
02:11How porous, think about this, how porous offensive line play has been.
02:15And how bad quarterback play has been, for the most part.
02:18I mean, you bring it up yourself, how many different quarterbacks are playing.
02:22And some of that's because of injury.
02:23A lot of that might be because of injury.
02:24Some of it's because, boy, there's not a lot of great quarterbacks out there that can hack it.
02:28And we're seeing both of that with the offensive line and with QB.
02:31And defenses, I think, have actually forged a little bit ahead.
02:34There's a lot of people, and you're right about that, there's a lot of people who agree with me.
02:38They are lockstep, arm-in-arm.
02:40Ken, we're with you.
02:41No Ty Simpson.
02:42We'll let these guys let it play out.
02:44We're going to go on to 2027.
02:46But when I bring up the offensive lineman and forcing an offensive lineman into a place that he might not
02:50be ready to go,
02:52it is just an all-out war.
02:56And I'm thinking, guys, you've got to treat some of these guys the way you would a quarterback.
02:59Like, if they're not going to be good, it doesn't matter.
03:03And I look at them and go, I can't turn my head away from a good football player.
03:08He's a good football player.
03:09I have coaches that they're supposed to do it.
03:11And I go, guys, the NFL has changed so much over the last three, four years.
03:15How could we not, in the words, I can't believe I'm going to use this, in the words of Paul
03:20T.
03:20Podesta, how can I not challenge my guardrails every year?
03:24It's not set in stone.
03:27Things change.
03:28And you could arrive to and go, Jeremiah Love still isn't the answer.
03:31That's great.
03:32But to say that running backs don't matter, Diamond does, and these things that I'm seeing,
03:36not just from social media or from callers or anything, but people who we've followed for a long time,
03:41people who we really respect, I've got to tell you, I'm very surprised by that.
03:45I think it's more about, and I think Jeremiah Love can be a really good player.
03:49I know Coach Lance brought up Marshall Falk.
03:52Well, yeah, if you guaranteed me, I guess, that he's going to be Marshall Falk, then I would take him.
03:56But it's the draft.
03:57You know, you're projecting.
03:58You don't know how these guys are going to turn out.
04:00And when you look at all these running backs that have gone top 10, Fournette, Saquon Barkley, Christian McCaffrey,
04:09Gentey, B. John Robinson, they all did not win.
04:12They went to losing teams and did not win because running backs don't change your fortunes.
04:16Even in today's game, you still have to have those other things to support, you know, being able to do
04:23that.
04:23And that doesn't mean that they wouldn't win eventually down the road.
04:26Obviously, if the front office makes a ton of the right choices, but the thought is always,
04:31man, each running back only has so many hits that they're going to be able to take
04:35before they start losing some of their skill set or their body breaks down.
04:40Do you want them to do that on a bad football team?
04:43It seems like a luxury.
04:45That's what I keep coming back to.
04:47And then, not to mention, they just took a running back high last year.
04:51In fact, they took two running backs all together in that draft.
04:55And now I'm like, well, what does this mean for the guy we just took last?
04:58Did we waste a pick?
04:59But they're not.
05:00You would have never advocated for taking a running back last year in the first two rounds
05:07if I would have told you the very next year they're taking a guy at six overall.
05:11Nobody would have advocated for that.
05:12You would have said that was silly planning.
05:13Oh, yeah.
05:14But I do think that things change.
05:16Like, I didn't.
05:17Like, somebody asked me, like, did you hammer the Falcons for taking B. John Robinson?
05:21They did get hammered.
05:22I didn't hammer him for taking B. John Robinson.
05:23I hammered him for taking Michael Penix when they had just signed Kirk Cousins.
05:26That's what I had hammered him for.
05:28And it turned out that certainly blew up in their face, but we all saw that coming.
05:31So that wasn't like I was saying anything that didn't need to be said.
05:34I think that we've seen running backs ā like, running backs can't carry you the whole way.
05:40But, like, people brought up Nick Chubb and says that ā someone quoted,
05:44the Browns are cheeks even when they had Nick Chubb.
05:47They weren't cheeks, quote-unquote, because of Nick Chubb.
05:50They were good with Nick Chubb.
05:51They had some good seasons with Nick Chubb, but by and large, it was either they were good enough
05:56to make the playoffs or they were an out-and-out embarrassment.
05:58And Nick Chubb happened to be on the football team.
06:00They were never an embarrassment because of Nick Chubb.
06:02The Giants embarrassed themselves several times while Saquon Barkley played for the Giants.
06:07And then he became one of the biggest pieces to the Eagles winning a championship
06:10and that whole conversation around Jalen Hurts.
06:13That's what I'm talking about with a running back.
06:14I don't even know if Gentty ā like, people were labeling him a bust last year already.
06:18I'm like, did you see ā did you see what was in front of him when he got the ball?
06:22And same thing you could say last year with Judkins.
06:25I mean, Judkins would get the handoff and three of our offensive linemen were already beat.
06:31So, I don't care who you are.
06:33Unless you're Barry Sanders, it's going to be tough to run.
06:35And he's still at decent moments.
06:37So, I'm at the top of the draft and I'm trying to look at positives and negatives for each guy.
06:42And when I see Jeremiah Love and I read about him, when I watch the games and I read about
06:47the guy
06:47and what he does when it comes to guys who know what they're doing when it comes to scouts,
06:51and I'm reading way more positives than negatives, things that might scare me away from him.
06:55I'm going, how do I not consider him?
06:58I wouldn't take him.
06:59If Carnell Tate's there, I'm either trading down or I'm taking Carnell Tate.
07:03On the record.
07:04Me.
07:04Talking to you guys.
07:06But when I see a guy that should be probably a top 10 choice,
07:10who has the positives way outweighing the negatives for him,
07:14way outweighing the things that make me nervous, like Monroe Freeling.
07:18Experience.
07:19Feet.
07:20Size.
07:21Like, there's height there.
07:22Is he going to be strong enough to start week one for you?
07:25Like, those are things that go, eh, you know, maybe I might be a little bit more comfortable with him
07:29after a trade down.
07:30I might be a little bit more comfortable with Caden Proctor, you know, at 24 or something like that.
07:35Which is interesting because I don't think either one of those guys who have been mocked to the Browns at
07:40six,
07:41at six, Caden Proctor and Monroe Freeling.
07:44They're both fitting a need that the Browns have.
07:47An important need.
07:48Very important.
07:51But if I can't guarantee they're going to start week one, and I can on either one of them,
07:56how are you going to feel?
07:57Because I asked that question two weeks ago and got throttled for it going,
08:00can you take a guy at 24th overall and have him stand on the sidelines while your offense is out
08:04there
08:04if he's an offensive lineman?
08:06And people went crazy.
08:08And I'm going, well, we can't.
08:09You can't have two things at once here.
08:11Because I don't think that taking those guys at number six and then installing them just because they're a number
08:17six overall pick
08:18is a very smart move.
08:19I think that's much dumber than taking Jeremiah Love and trying to figure out how my offense is going to
08:25work
08:25with Jeremiah Love in that offense, being able to split him out and doing other things.
08:30That's why I don't rip on Coach Lance for bringing up Jeremiah Love or anybody else.
08:35I think that we've won eight games in the last two years.
08:39We should be open-minded to guys with talent.
08:42That's all I'm trying to do.
08:44I am a guy taking Carnell Tater trading out of that spot.
08:47But when I see that I'm being turned into a Jeremiah Love guy, I'm like, well, no, I don't think
08:52they're going to take him.
08:52I just want to be open-minded to it.
08:55I want to be open-minded to guys with talent.
08:57My conversation, it's not about advocating for Jeremiah Love.
09:00And I don't want to turn this into a days-long thing here.
09:02It is the sixth overall pick.
09:04I'm saying I'd rather take Carnell Tate.
09:06I would take Carnell Tate.
09:07I would maybe do the responsible thing.
09:09If somebody wants to come up and get somebody, I might trade out of it.
09:13Now, that's a nice responsible thing to do.
09:15I don't think it's very exciting, but definitely I could see the reasoning in that.
09:19I don't think I would take Jeremiah Love.
09:22I just don't understand why everybody's so vehemently against him.
09:27And the reasonings for it is something I don't like.
09:29Like, well, you took a running back last year.
09:32Okay, well, this is the best.
09:33If I feel it's the best overall player, I'm going to take the best overall player,
09:36and I'm going to find ways to make it work.
09:38I can play two running backs at one point in one game.
09:41I can play them at the same time.
09:44Now, Dylan Sampson, that's another conversation.
09:46Were you particularly impressed with Dylan Sampson last year?
09:51Yeah, I think he seemed like that.
09:53That was a really resounding full-throated endorsement.
09:57I remember before Judkins, because he had the legal issues and he wasn't available at the start of the year,
10:02they went overboard with Sampson.
10:04You're like, oh, this guy's got something.
10:05And then by the end of the year, he just seemed like just another guy.
10:07Yeah.
10:08Well, just wanted to make sure.
10:112-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
10:13Brady Quinn's going to join us at 9.
10:14And then I've got to get to you on these possible excuses you're making.
10:19Dave in Arkansas, you're listening on the free Odyssey app.
10:22Hello, Dave.
10:25Dave's having a big conversation down there.
10:27Eddie in Westlake.
10:28Eddie.
10:29Hey, I'm going to have to agree with you, Ken.
10:31Thank you, Eddie.
10:34I'm going to tell you this.
10:35I'm all about best player available.
10:37The thing about the Jeremiah love, though, is when you pick it in a top five,
10:41guys, if you know the lifespan of these running backs,
10:44it don't matter how good you are, you've got to kind of look at that.
10:48I mean, not that you're saying, hey, I need to have a guy play for 10 years,
10:52but you are kind of looking for a guy that's going to play, you know,
10:56somewhere, you know, at least a second contract.
10:58And with a running back, that might be the case.
11:00It might not be.
11:01This is the thing, what I want the Browns to do.
11:03I agree with you on the Carnell State situation.
11:06I do want best player available, though.
11:09And if David Bailey is there, I feel like I don't think the Browns
11:13can pass up on him.
11:14And I know people are going to look at defense and all that,
11:16but I just need ā
11:17Well, you can't see my face.
11:19That's the first face I made right there.
11:21I've got to be honest with you, my friend.
11:23Yeah, but I do like the Carnell State.
11:26I'm kind of scared of this trade-down situation because I'm not a big ā
11:30I'm serious.
11:31I'm not a big Freeling guy.
11:34I feel like Freeling and Lumo, it's like a toss-up.
11:39You know, I think Freeling is really higher because he played in the SEC.
11:44But this guy, one year, he doesn't grade out well.
11:49He just looks the part.
11:50And when you hear different things, like he might not be ready to start,
11:54I'm sorry.
11:55I need somebody that's going to be able to play day one if I'm taking them
11:59at number six or even on the trade-down.
12:02I'm of the opinion now that if they trade-down, I don't want them to take the ā
12:06I want them to go ahead and Jordan Tyson because I feel like ā
12:11I know if you're injured in college, you're going to be injured in the pros,
12:14but I feel like I'd rather gamble on him because I feel like he's the best
12:17receiver in a draft.
12:18It's just some injuries are pulling him back.
12:20And that's why the Browns, you know, wouldn't take him at six.
12:23But I feel like the Browns need to get a receiver at the top of the draft.
12:27And I feel like, you know, Freeling, Lumu, the Alabama kid,
12:33the kid from Arizona State, it ain't that much difference between them guys.
12:38I mean, you know what I mean?
12:39You know, Eddie, I agree with you.
12:41Well, this is where I'm at on a lot of this.
12:43And thank you very much for the call because I want to get to the Cavs here
12:46and I want to get to this injury conversation here in a moment.
12:50If you're trading out ā because what throws me off a little bit is that
12:54I got Monroe Freeling being talked about.
12:56I got Caden Proctor being talked about, number six overall,
12:58which seemed to be wild, huge swings.
13:01But I've only heard him really with the Browns.
13:04This is weird.
13:04I think Jets fans are probably a little bit frustrated about all the Ty Simpson talk,
13:08and I'm a little bit frustrated about the Monroe Freeling and Caden Proctor talk
13:11where it's like, well, he's at six.
13:13Okay, but if he's not at six, where does he go?
13:14So if the Browns need him so bad, it's like, well, can I trade down to 10
13:17and can I still take one of those guys at 10 if they're still actually interested in that guy?
13:22But you're still, I think, going to run into a problem
13:24where I don't know if either guy is a week one starter.
13:26So you're going to trade out of that position.
13:28You're going to be taking a guy who might not be a week one starter,
13:31a guy that you have to quote-unquote develop in the first round.
13:33What's everyone going to say you're doing?
13:34They're going to say you're tanking.
13:35That's what they're going to point out there,
13:37even though you just paid Myles Garrett an obscene amount of money
13:39to make sure that he's a Cleveland Brown for what you plan to be the rest of his career.
13:43It's not the exact same situation, but what did they just do last year?
13:48They traded out of the sexy spot that they were in last year.
13:51And they got a building block to, I think, a success.
13:54I think Mason Graham is going to be a very great player for them.
13:56An even sexier spot.
13:58What did they have last year?
14:00What was their draft pick?
14:01Number two overall.
14:02Number two overall.
14:03This is six.
14:04And the sexy pick was...
14:05And this is six at a worst draft.
14:07Yes.
14:07And that's why, hey, if they did it last year,
14:09I would not rule it out at all doing it this year.
14:12I'd be willing to go a step further.
14:13I'd be willing to go, what can you offer me in 2027?
14:16If 2027 is supposed to be so great, I don't want to go crazy on 2027.
14:20But if you could offer me something into next year as well,
14:23hey, let's talk turkey.
14:24Let's make a deal right here.
14:25But if I were a fan base of a team that's not a Super Bowl contender
14:31going into this season,
14:32and your GM trades a first-round pick out of next year's draft class,
14:38this prized draft class, which isn't just quarterbacks, too.
14:41I'm very upset.
14:41Jeremiah Smith is in that draft.
14:43There are pass rushers that might even be ranked higher in next year's draft.
14:47Great players could fold to 10, to 11, to 12, to 13.
14:52That might have gone top three in this year's draft.
14:54Like, that could happen.
14:56I'd want your GM fired if he did that.
14:58I think a lot of them would just agree with you on that.
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