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00:00So let me just ask this now.
00:01Can you guys really explain to me why Jeremiah Love is such a difficult decision to make
00:05or why he'd be such a horrific pick?
00:07Can we answer that question?
00:09I mean, I tried to at the end of last week.
00:11I just don't think we're in any position to go back-to-back running backs early,
00:16not to mention we drafted two running backs last year,
00:19on a team that's expected to be pretty bad.
00:21It just seems, and we also saw our running back get crushed last year
00:25behind the line to the point where he even got injured,
00:27and we're wondering what version of the running back we're going to get this year.
00:29He got injured catching a pass out of the backfield.
00:33I know, but I'm saying he was getting annihilated behind the line of scrimmage last year.
00:39And I just don't think bad teams taking a running back,
00:44which is normally typically a luxury pick,
00:46I just don't think they're in any position to do that.
00:48My issue is this.
00:48I think that would be very questionable.
00:50But I don't think, see, I've got to poke holes in this.
00:52I want to know from people why it'd be such a bad decision.
00:55It's not the decision I would make.
00:56Like, if Carnell Tate was there at number six,
00:59I'm basically at a point where I'm like,
01:00okay, let's see what Carnell Tate has.
01:02Because I don't like the conversation about Monroe Freeling or Caden Proctor up at number six.
01:08It startles me.
01:09I just don't want to do that.
01:11Have you seen a mock where Tate isn't available at six?
01:13I have not.
01:14I really haven't.
01:15Well, no, no, no, no, no.
01:16I think I saw an athletic one from Feldman.
01:18I think he might have had Tate going number five overall.
01:20Bruce Feldman.
01:21Oh, Bizarro Kramer.
01:23Sorry, no.
01:25Whole names are important at this time of year.
01:28I thought I saw a mock where Bruce Feldman had him at number five overall.
01:33So that would take him away.
01:35What I, the only thing, I'm just, I'm not trying to be difficult.
01:38I'm not trying to be difficult.
01:39I promise you guys this.
01:41I, when, when Jeremiah Love's name was first brought up, I barely did anything on it just
01:46because I didn't think there was going to be any chance that they'd take him.
01:48So I'm with you guys.
01:50But the more I see him, the more I'm going, well, what makes him such a bad pick?
01:54If I got two guys out there and I can split him out, I can do things.
01:57I can load him up extra out of the Y spot if I want to.
02:00I can do a lot of things there where I can throw the ball to him.
02:03You know, Lance talked about him as a Marshall Falk type figure.
02:06Okay.
02:06Coach Lance did.
02:07That speaks to us.
02:08If I have a really good running back out there that I can split, that's fine.
02:12The thing I don't like about this, if you were just saying, well, Kenny, if, if Carnell
02:16Tate's there, I'm taking Carnell Tate perfectly fine with me.
02:19You need a wide receiver.
02:20He's a really good wide receiver.
02:21It's fish in a barrel.
02:23But if he's not there and I can't make, I can't force you to trade up with me.
02:29Now there might be somebody who wants to trade up, but you're not going to get very much
02:33back because it's not that great of a thing.
02:34So why can't I just examine it thinking he's exceedingly good.
02:40He has been extremely productive.
02:43Running backs are more important than they've been in recent years because of the quarterback
02:47play being so difficult.
02:48I think regardless of who plays quarterback for our team going up this year, they're going
02:52to struggle to some certain degree.
02:54They want some more people that they can trust.
02:56Yes, I think that you would have a box loaded up, but if I split them out once, then I'm
03:00going to have to be able to, if I'm a defense, I'm going to have to be more honest with
03:04everybody
03:05instead of all the other things that we've talked about before.
03:07Like the more I look at Jeremiah Love and I see the talent that's there, I see the possibilities
03:13that's there.
03:14The argument where I don't, the quote, I don't like taking running backs two years in a row.
03:19And that's three running backs in two years.
03:20I understand that.
03:21That would make sense, except this isn't a typical draft.
03:24And if he's the best guy there at number six, and nobody's willing to make a trade up with
03:29me, then I'm stuck just taking the best player.
03:32So I think it's more likely they would have a team trade up with the Browns if Love was
03:36available than the Browns to take Love.
03:38I would love that.
03:39Yes.
03:39And I think that that would probably be the most prudent thing.
03:41But see, you just wait, you just made a case to take them.
03:44Why are you trading out of it then?
03:45Because I can't guarantee, again, what if the team that's willing to trade up isn't willing
03:49to give me value for the trade because it's a bad draft going, you went out of this
03:53spot.
03:53You want us to take them.
03:54We're not going to give you everything that you want, and we're the only trade partner
03:57that you have, which is something that could possibly happen.
04:00You know, I just have to be ready for all possibilities.
04:02If we're sitting there saying, trade down, trade down, trade down, that's great.
04:05I need somebody to trade down with, Anthony.
04:08That's what I'm pointing out.
04:09So if I don't have anybody to trade down with...
04:11I've seen people talk about the Cowboys, Seattle...
04:13Am I going to take a need over...
04:14I've even seen Pittsburgh rumored as a trade-up team.
04:18Pittsburgh's drafting at 21, so they're going to trade up to six.
04:21That's the problem.
04:22You've got to take into consideration, too, that now you're not going to be picking until
04:28all the way down there.
04:29But I don't think a team from 21 is going to...
04:32The Steelers, even.
04:33I don't think the Steelers are going to trade up to number six for a running back.
04:37If they do, if you really like them that much, then I want full possibilities for everything
04:43that's valuable.
04:44I want full value for that trade.
04:47The only argument that I really hate...
04:49I can understand.
04:50You have a running back there.
04:52You need a wide receiver.
04:53I can understand that.
04:55I can understand even some of the value stuff out of running back.
04:57I can understand us being burned out of it.
04:59But the two-year thing, I just don't want to be talked into taking a need over a player
05:05that I think is going to be dynamite, that is going to be a very good football player
05:08for my football team for the next seven, eight years.
05:10If I can guarantee you seven, eight years out of Jeremiah Love where I can't Francis
05:15Malanoa or Spencer Feneau or got Monroe Freely or anyone else, why am I making the decision
05:21so hard just because I have need?
05:23That's what I...
05:24Yeah, but it's not just any need.
05:25I don't like pigeonholing it.
05:26It's not just any need.
05:27Offensive line, especially left tackle, is like one of the preeminent, the needs in football.
05:32And so I force a guy who's just because he comes from the pedigree of being a left tackle,
05:36I force him in number six.
05:37It's because you have totally been caught with your pants down in this situation based
05:43on what you haven't done over the last four years that you've had to completely overhaul
05:48that offensive line.
05:49And it's like, all right, if I'm not taking offensive line...
05:53And then again, in this situation, you're also not taking receiver at number six.
05:57So who the hell is going to be left at those positions by the time you get down to...
06:02I mean, you almost would be caught...
06:03You almost would have to trade back up in that situation from your next first round pick.
06:08It's not my fault that we've been caught with our pants down over the left tackle position.
06:12And again, if I'm going to take a player...
06:14It's just a reality.
06:15Okay, that's fine.
06:16It's not about whose fault it is.
06:17It's just now I'm looking and going, who the hell is going to be left at the end of the
06:22first round?
06:23Why do I lean into it and double down and possibly make a bad situation worse
06:27by taking a guy just based on need at number six overall?
06:31Or I could take a really great football player for him.
06:33I think that's the problem is your situation is so desperate
06:38where you're almost left with no other choice than to either address wide receiver
06:43or left tackle at number six.
06:45Because if you don't, you're letting the rest of the NFL dictate who's going to fall to you
06:51at the end of the first round.
06:53And I think that would be very, very dangerous.
06:55Because we all came into this year saying,
06:57all right, that will be addressed there at number six.
07:00And not addressing it.
07:01And then going with a running back the year after you took...
07:03People will be looking at the Browns going,
07:05what was the plan of attack these last two years?
07:07My plan of attack is to find a good football player.
07:09That's my plan of attack.
07:10That's what every team says at every pick.
07:12To find any good football player.
07:12And you can wave the magic wand at any draft pick you take at all times
07:16and go, well, we just want a good football player.
07:17But you think it's a better...
07:18The reality is you have a desperate need at two pretty important positions.
07:21I understand that.
07:22But you think it's a better decision?
07:23And now you're ignoring it?
07:23You think it's a better decision to just take a guy based on need
07:26and force him to play before he's ready to play?
07:28I think that's a terrible decision.
07:30You need left tackle and wide receiver when you have these gaping holes
07:33that if you ignore it again, I think that's a very, very poor choice.
07:37And on the surface, I agree.
07:39And then you said you'd trade out of it if somebody wanted to share my love.
07:42But I can't guarantee any of this.
07:44Ken is sitting there talking about trading down out of the pick
07:47to give love to somebody else.
07:48And then now you're yelling at me that you want love.
07:51Make up your mind, Ken Carvin.
07:52Because I want you to have an open mind on this.
07:53Make up your mind.
07:54So if he happened to play H-back, if he happened to play anything else,
07:58then he'd be okay.
07:58But just because he's listed as RB in there, where you can split him out,
08:02he had 27 catches last year.
08:04Just because he has an RB next to him, I cannot consider him at all.
08:08He's the one player I can't consider.
08:09So I can consider a guy who has very little experience in Monroe Freeling.
08:15I can consider him at number six.
08:16But I can't consider Jeremiah Love?
08:18It would not make sense to me at six.
08:20I can't believe you're being so close-minded about it.
08:22I really can't.
08:23I really, really, really can't.
08:26Yes, I guess I am trying to be difficult because I just want you to open your mind.
08:31I don't know if I'm going to be able to trade out of this spot.
08:34Yes, I would like to trade down.
08:35I don't know if I want to trade down all the way to 21.
08:37I don't think anybody's trading up from 21 to number six to take Jeremiah Love.
08:41I don't think they're going to do it.
08:42So I think we have to be somewhat realistic in this argument here.
08:45And I just don't think that we're in any position, because we're so desperate with need, to cross off talent
08:50when we don't have any offensive talent.
08:51I don't think we're in any position to take running back at six.
08:54That would be crazy to me.
08:55I wanted to bring up some Cavs, and now you got me going.
08:57You got me all upset.
08:58Because you were reading all the social media during the break.
09:01And now you got what you wanted.
09:03Keith got what he wanted.
09:04He got upset Ken on a Monday.
09:05There you go.
09:06I just don't understand how a team that's won eight games altogether in two years, and all of it's because
09:11of their offense.
09:12Absolutely not.
09:13We can't have this guy.
09:13Why?
09:14Because you already took two running backs last year.
09:15Oh, okay.
09:16We can't have anybody, so we have to pass on talent.
09:19We have to fit square pegs and round holes.
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09:26Jay, who's a great, great listener, been a listener for a long time.
09:29Browns had Nicholas Jamal Chubb, and they were still cheeks.
09:32His words, not mine.
09:33I know that's a Nick Wilsonism.
09:35You need to go get a wide receiver or offensive lineman.
09:37A marginal upgrade of running back does not improve the offense.
09:40One, I'm still taking Carnell Tate.
09:43Like, we have to be on brand here.
09:46All right?
09:47I'm taking Carnell Tate.
09:48If I can't trade out, I'll probably trade out.
09:51But I'll take Carnell Tate if he's there.
09:53If he's not there, and I'm prepared to not have a team that's willing to give me value to move
10:00up to number six, then we have to have this discussion.
10:03Because you guys mentioned Nick Chubb, and I'm thinking, all right, but who's going to be there that I absolutely
10:09have to have?
10:10If you just want a round one offensive lineman, fine.
10:14Take CeCe Malinoa.
10:16Take Spencer Fano.
10:18But you guys keep giving me needs and fits and all these other things, and I'm going, wait a minute,
10:24wait a minute, wait a minute.
10:25When you had Nick Chubb, I wrote it down just to make sure.
10:28Joel Batonio was your second-round draft choice, right?
10:31Second round.
10:32Started from day one.
10:33J.C. Tretter and Ethan Posick, fourth-round, second-round.
10:37Okay?
10:38Wyatt Teller, you traded for him.
10:40He was a fifth-round pick.
10:42Jack Conklin was a first-round pick by Tennessee, who you signed in free agency.
10:47And the one first-round pick that was on that offensive line that was by the Browns is a guy
10:55that nobody likes in Jed Wills.
10:58So I don't need to force a situation if it's not there.
11:03Because I'll be much more worried.
11:05I'll tell you this.
11:06He's not who I'm running up and giving the card for.
11:09But I'll be much more nervous if they were to turn in Monroe Freeling at number six because he plays
11:15left tackle
11:16than if they were to turn in Jeremiah Love.
11:18It is risky.
11:19You fired your head coach.
11:21Why?
11:21It's very risky.
11:21Because your offense is bad and you only won eight games over the last two years.
11:24So Todd Munkin isn't going to be able to do anything with a guy who's supposed to be the next
11:29B. John Robinson.
11:30He's not going to be able to do anything with him.
11:33Just making sure.
11:36Like, I'm not – I know by the end of the day I'll get turned on to Mr. – I'll
11:40be Jeremiah Love guy
11:41because that's what you want to paint me out to be and I can already see you planting the seeds
11:44to everybody.
11:44You just said you want to – I should have an open mind.
11:47I just want to have an open mind and I think a team that has won eight games in two
11:50years should have an open mind.
11:52Okay?
11:53It's just a tough spot that they put themselves in, allowing themselves to get to this situation
11:58where they had to address all five spots and they had to do it in a very – I shouldn't
12:05say controversial way,
12:06the way they've done it so far.
12:07But, you know, who are their offensive linemen of the future they have on this team?
12:12Like, they've addressed the offensive line.
12:13Have they fixed the offensive line?
12:15No.
12:16Two very, very different things.
12:18Yeah.
12:18And it's because of that that we are left – same thing, by the way, at number one wide receiver.
12:23You know, look, they did trade.
12:24They made a big swing for Jerry Judy.
12:27Can I call it a big swing?
12:29A huge swing.
12:30But it was a swing for Jerry Judy.
12:31And I think it's just pretty evident.
12:33Jerry Judy's miscast in his role as a number one.
12:35I am just shocked that I have people who I respect being so close-minded when we have found so
12:49many different ways
12:49to win football games over the past five years with not-so-great quarterback play.
12:55And I'm talking – not the Browns.
12:57I'm talking about in general.
12:59Like, you still have the easiest way to do it, have a really good quarterback.
13:01Well, if I can't get a really good quarterback this year, then I'm going to have to find another way
13:05to do it.
13:06And if I got a guy who is multi-purposed, multi-talented, that I can do multiple things within my
13:13offense,
13:13not just line him up in the backfield, how do I just say absolutely not to that guy?
13:19Yeah, Cardinal Tate makes their life a lot easier.
13:21You put Cardinal Tate out there, you can hopefully have a guy that keeps a defense honest.
13:26They have to pay attention to number 17.
13:28They can't just hone in on number 10.
13:29Man, Cardinal Tate makes Quinshawn Judkins' life easier.
13:33I know that going in.
13:34Cardinal Tate's my pick.
13:37But if I can't get Cardinal Tate because he ends up going to the Giants,
13:40I think it was Bruce Feldman's latest mock draft, and guys, I've got to keep an open mind.
13:45Because what if I've got a team that's going, yeah, I'll move up to six,
13:48but you're not going to get what you would in a normal trade.
13:50Well, I want maximum value.
13:52Well, look, can we just say it for what it really is, I think, in your situation?
13:56And I'm not, this is not a criticism.
13:59I think this is...
14:00Criticize.
14:01Go ahead.
14:01Criticize me.
14:02This is more of a reality.
14:03I think you, because what the Browns have done to us, especially with the drafts and the lack of talent
14:12we've been able to get in the drafts until last year,
14:15I think you are really worried about taking a shot, taking a risk.
14:19Yes.
14:20Like, we all agree, Jeremiah Love is, I think he's going to be good.
14:24I don't know if he's going to be, people compare him to Marshall Falk.
14:27I don't know if he's going to be a Hall of Fame.
14:29I'm not going to go that far.
14:30It's good to project all these guys.
14:32That's what we do.
14:32It's the draft.
14:35But there is a, like, I think Jeremiah Love is going to be good.
14:37I think he's going to be a good player.
14:39I don't know if any of these offensive linemen are going to be really good.
14:43It's just that the position of running back doesn't, to me, get the Browns materially closer.
14:50It's just like, like, the really thing.
14:53So you'd have Judkins.
14:54First of all, would that tell us something about Judkins' injury if they went with Jeremiah Love?
14:59You know, but maybe you wouldn't care.
15:00Maybe you wouldn't care because you'd have Jeremiah Love.
15:02I don't know.
15:03Bones heal.
15:04It's not, it wasn't tendons.
15:06If there were tendons, I'd be worried.
15:07Like, if it was an ACL or, obviously, if he had an Achilles, he'd still be out.
15:10But what does a great running back get you in today's NFL on otherwise bad teams?
15:18Not very much.
15:18That's the B. John Robinson thing, too.
15:20I know that.
15:21I know that.
15:24But I can't believe that we would feel better about a guy who has so little experience,
15:32who we had Brian Baldinger on, and it said, hey, you know, he's going to have to,
15:37it's going to take some time, and a guy like Miles Garrett can certainly ruin the beginning
15:41of his career because he's going to be going against him in every practice.
15:44Like, I can't believe that, and I'm an offensive line guy, that we're just going to feel better
15:49about a Monroe Freeling at number six than we would Jeremiah Love when I'm looking for
15:54guys who can make an impact.
15:55And I know that Jeremiah Love can't make an impact without a good offensive line, but
16:00what I'm pointing out is that Jeremiah Love will be on the field for you series one, week
16:06one.
16:07I don't think Monroe Freeling will be there.
16:09And if he is, well, obviously he will have had a very good camp, and I'll have some hope
16:14for him.
16:14But I think I'd be more weary of Monroe Freeling than I would Jeremiah Love.
16:22So, I just can't believe we're so close-minded to anything.
16:24Like, if this was a team that we were drafted at the bottom end of the first round, and you're
16:29like, boy, you need some help here, here, and here, and we're going to be better, and
16:32we already had the quarterback, fine, knock it down, knock down all those things we want.
16:36But I just can't see a team that, on the offensive side, when we are so bereft of talent, that
16:43we
16:45have a guy that, no, absolutely not.
16:47Why?
16:47Because he plays running back, and we took two running backs last year.
16:50I mean, I'm going to let Dylan Sampson get in the way of that?
16:53No offense.
16:53I'm not.
16:55He's a great overall player.
16:56I think we have to be open-minded to this.
16:58And I'm a guy who's still taking Carnell Tate.
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